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Perhaps for the new bus station in Accy - the area where the benches will be put may be named after you for posterity...

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Yes, she probably teased me to sell it.

I'm sure it will all be very professional, and business like.

As anyone ever been ejected from the public gallery?

Just asking.

I know my protocol, and know when to open, and when to shut my gob.

I always play by the rules imposed.

:rolleyes::D

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How fitting.

I've always been a big supporter of that off the wall proposal.

:rolleyes::D

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Give, give, give -it must be so hard to be you...:rolleyes::D

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Those of you who take more than a passing interest in the body politic will be aware of the recent death of the Labour peer, Lord Gould. You may even have read a detailed obituary in one of the more serious newspapers. Irrespective of his socialist credentials, he was widely regarded as a decent bloke by all sides and as a sharp political operator. The reason? He was the person who realised that Labour were unelectable in the format they had in the ‘80’s and early ‘90’s and as such was part of the team that relaunched ‘New Labour’ eventually leading to its electoral success in 1997.

Irrespective of that government’s subsequent record, Gould’s philosophy was quite simple – you have to listen to what the people say if you want to be elected. You have to address their fears and their concerns and seek to provide solutions to their wants and aspirations. His most notable concentrated method of addressing this issue was through the use of ‘focus groups’. By various methods, he – and Labour – chose cross-sections of people and asked the questions ‘What do you want?’ and ‘What do you think about this?’ The answers were usually simple and involved ditching the dogma and using a bit of common sense. Result? Elected into office three times on the trot.

It would now appear that Red Ed and those labour MP’s who follow his every dictum have now forgotten this message. It is pretty obvious by now that Ed – like Michael Foote, thirty years ago – is totally unelectable. He went to print this weekend with a pseudo-Marxist rant (no doubt copied up from one of his father, Ralph’s old notebooks) about the crisis of capitalism and the justification of the campsite outside St Pauls. He also told his MP acolytes to make similar statements in advance. GJ duly obliged.

Well, we’re all pretty urinated off with the antics of the bankers and their bonuses; with the exorbitant pay rises of the FTSE 100 directors and of the unjustifiable pay of premiership footballers. Ed’s message was that the government should listen to the electorate. Exactly, Mr Milliband and Mr Jones – listen to the electorate. But do not pick and choose what you care to listen to because there are other issues just as important, such as the collapse of immigration controls into this country, the terrible economic cost of EU membership (without any visible benefits) and the ongoing comedy which is now our legal system. The highest court in the land – the so-called Supreme Court – is now no more than the outside toilet for the European Courts.

So I would suggest to Mr Jones – nice man that he is – that he takes a lesson from the late Lord Gould and once again pays attention to what the voters want. This little forum may not have the numbers of a YouGov or a Mori Poll, but its members are pretty representative of his constituents. Mr Milliband will soon be out the door and it may well pay Mr Jones’s political career to be brave, follow his instincts and rebel now rather than later.

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Long post that Tealeaf to praise a spin-doctor...not a great fan of New Labour myself, or Labour supporters who become Peers.

Time to look back to old values and old-fashioned ideals as far as I'm concerned -but then i see life through rose-tinted specs...and admit to not seeing very well at times!

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Well, it's rare I agree entirely with old Teabag, but would, on this occasion, have to call him the voice of reason.

Well said!

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Aye...that was after one bottle of claret. I'm one-third of the way down the second.

Anyway, I'm not really interested in spin doctors. I'm more concerned about democracy.

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Shame you're so far away -Teabag -rather like a glass of decent stuff meself -could have put the world to rights...:D

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If someone kicks you in the proverbial nuts(OK...I know I don't have any, but I reckon I have more than any of the current crowd of politicians we have in power at present...or in the wings even) you do not, repeat not, give them a chance to aim a low blow in that direction again.

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For Gods sake, someone...anyone, please get us out of the EU.

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I always try to be diplomatic in pubblic Margaret -.privately i am far more disparaging. My good opinion once lost...

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What Tealeaf said is true.

Labour, under Foot and then Kinock, were unelectable, and would have remained that way forever more.

Rightly, or wrongly, they moved to the centre. Listened to what the ordinary man and woman were concerned about, and wasn't being tackled by Major's sleazy Tories, and changed.

They listened, addessed what people were actually saying they wanted, and offered to represent their views if elected.

It worked.

The state of the Labour party today, it won't work again.

Not until there's a change of leadership. and a major policy shift, which more ably represents what people now demand from our politicans.

Talk of more openess, and transparency in government means sweet Fanny Adams, if it's not backed up, by at least attempting to be democtatic, and representative of the people.

Anyone with any sense, backed up by all the opinion polls, know the British people are desperate to have a referendum, regarding our future relationship with the E.U.

All three mainstream parties refuse to see, and accept this fact...as of yet.

They'll have to, eventually.

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Yes, I can understand that.......I try to be fair and moderate in my views and mostly I think I succeed, but there are some things that you cannot pussyfoot around on.
You just have to tell it like it is. Bu88er diplomacy....give us democracy!

Sarkozy was right....we have an Island mentality, we do not fit in with Europe because we are not of Europe.

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Not sure of the exact wording, but Graham Jones recently called you 'reasonable', or inferred that.

Well listen to the reasonable voice of one of your constituents Graham.

She's not alone.

She's one of a very sizable crowd, all shouting, reasonably, for the same thing.

A democratic right to vote in a referendum, and at least have some say in her future destiny.

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They gave the impression of listening, but did they listen really?

They might have said they were listening before they were put in power. They sure as hell weren't listening when they took the country to war.
They weren't listening when they allowed uncontrolled immigration - anyone who voiced concerns was put down as being racist.
We were told that Diversity was good for the country, that multiculturalism would enrich our lives.

There are many instances where the Labour party sold the electorate down the river. Pensions, policing, education, they used smoke and mirrors......there was a lot of spouting of buzzwords, they told the people what they thought they wanted to hear....they were thin on action.

Champagne socialism, isn't socialism...or looking after the poor, the disadvantaged, the old or the vulnerable.

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OK -so Foot and Kinnock had the wrong face...

The insincere face which New Labour represented was far worse and pulled the wool over the proverbial Nation's eyes telling them what they wanted to hear -Loss of manufacturing overseas, ved. current debt crisis and Blair's adoration of Europe..."Je suis European, J' etait European, Je sarei European!"

Hard to pull out of something when you are so entwined -even if it happens to be the Titanic on it's last voyage...

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Oh I agree.

They listened.

Made promises.

Gained trust.

Secured victory.

Then forgot all about it, once 'they'd' gained POWER.

They were good con men.

Must have been.

Having done it three times.

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How can it be hard to get out when Angela Merkel threatened to throw out the Greeks if they had a referendum against the wishes of the EU diktat?
If France and Germany can throw out another member, then it stands to reason that a member could do something to get thrown out...or could leave by agreement.
This Franco German alliance is looking a bit worrying. It seems that they call the shots and if they don't like what you are doing then it might just be curtains for your leadership......how is that democratic? No don't answer, it was a rhetorical question, to which I know the answer.
Brussels abhors anything that looks like a democracy.

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Oh to be succinct and one of few words with such meaning!;):D

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Ya once is forgivable twice is a tad careless, three times is downright reckless:D

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No John...reckless doesn't cover it, but stupid does!

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Ya suppose your right Margaret, Stupid is as stupid does;)

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Here we go again. EU Workers rights under attack again by vested interests, the wealthy. The working man (and more succintly woman ) are to 'pay' for banking crises whilst executive pay rockets by 49% in the UK. Working people have to stand together to defend their economic interests. The right has a new narrative that is was not aggressive capitalism, not the banks fault, but the EuroZone and the Euro. The Euro was fine b4 This lot began their casino capitalism.

​‘Recovery ‘blown off course’, warns CBI’ (Tele p2) – Britain’s economic recovery is at risk of being ‘blown off course’ by the eurozone crisis & gloomy growth forecasts, the CBI has warned. It called on the govt to overhaul EU employment rights.

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Margaret, Merkel is playing the spin game, trapped between 'little Germans' yet and a devalued Euro-Deutchmark. If Merkel could contain just a Greek exit she would be fine. It's contagion that the German economists fear. Every German is paying 1000 Euros to the Greeks. A collapsed Euro though would cost every German 6000 Euros one Euro institution said.

You raise a good second point. One scenario is a collapsed Euro and a Franco plus poor stable EU countries will emerge in Franco German interests. As the 2nd largest EU nation and a trading nation he Germans and the French would make British laws as drivers of Common Market with Britain outiside the tent.

Mind you the Germans and the French look after their workers, citizens better than we do. Theirs the irony.

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Graham

Just remind me....
Who sold off our Gold Reserves?
Who took PFI and ran with it, meaning now in East Lancashire we only have one A and E, Blackburn?
Who oversaw the financial crisis and let the bankers get away with it?
Which former leader of a UK political party/government earns the most money?
cheers

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I think this thread Is being blown off course as was democracy some time ago.

Or have you forgot already?:mad:

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Yes Graham....believe it or not I understand that.

There isn't a leader in this whole mess, because both France and Germany have their own agenda.
If there had been a solution to this thorny problem(all brought about by a foolish experiment to shackle countries into the EU yoke) it would have been implemented by now.

As for your comment about a strong Franco-German alliance making the laws for Britain, in the event of a euro collapse........that is why we should be making the strongest efforts to leave the EU(my first choice) or re-negotiate our terms of membership......taking it back to a trade only agreement. Which is what we signed up for at the beginning......all the other 'bolted on' political stuff is draining the UK of vital resources. We are paying much for very little reward and saddling future generations with a debt that they need not have had.

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Well said BG.

The private finance initiative was so that people were bamboozled into seeing new hospitals built, without actually realizing that they were mortgaged to private companies who only want to make a profit....the difference between a mortgage and PFI is that you have a good idea how much a mortgage is going to cost....with PFI you have no idea.....the lender can up the charges at will.

As for the banking crisis. The government of the time knew about the problems for 7 months before the news hit the streets, but did nothing.

The gold Reserves that Prudence sold off....that was the equivalent of my mothers 'Rainy Day' tin...only to be dipped into in the event of a dire emergency.....but Dear Gordon had his blind eye to the telescope and couldn't see the gathering clouds.

It is fine to take the speck out of someone else's eye.....if your own vision isn't totally obliterated by a boulder.

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...and you're not?

:rolleyes:

Graham, there are plenty of other, more appropriate threads on Accy Web, in which you are free to push your own pro-European Union propoganda.

This thread is actually asking if people think what you did was the right, or the wrong thing, in voting against an E.U. referendum.

Overwhelming, the constituents of Hyndburn think you were wrong, in what you did.

Why did you vote against giving us the chance to have a say, as to whether or not we are in favour of self-determination?

We're confused, as two weeks previously, in public, on this very forum, you said you had no problem with an E.U. referendum, stating that it would 'settle this issue democratically'.

Why did you say that, then vote that we should be denied that democratic right two weeks later?

:confused:

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Its obvious he thinks he's above us plebs Rindi, even though he used to be one;)

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All pointless guff.

No one's listening.

We would have.

If what we thought really mattered.

If you'd supported our right to have a say in our future relationship with the E.U.

There would then have been a full, and public debate, discussing the pros, and cons of E.U. membership.

Why should we listen to you?

You didn't listen to us.

You won't even tell us why you said you had no problem with a referendum, shortly before voting against us having that right.

So you see, it's all rather pointless, you spouting your cut and pasted facts and figures.

Until you address what people really want answers to, collectively, no one's listening.

;)

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Just going off GJ's latest incoherent ramblings, I wonder if he's suffering from a case of exhaustion? Tomorrow he has to introduce his Metal Theft Bill before the house; it's a ten minute rule bill and he will be speaking shortly after deputy PM's questions. Irrespective of his referendum debacle, cracking down on metal theft is pretty important - the LT is tonight reporting of 33 thefts in a month in Hyndburn.

Therefore he has to get this speech right and I've no doubt he's been writing, rewriting and burning lots of midnight oil. Lets just hope therefore, that when he rises from the hallowed green benches tomorrow he has it right and he does not repeat the dogs dinners which have passed for political argument on here. Our elected local politicians failed the town on thursday night so lets hope it's not twice in a week.

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Don't hold your breath T;)

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Agreed, his campaign against metal theft, is important, and a pressing issue, and more power to him for championing it.

However, he could still have done all that, and seeing as he said he had no problem with it, also have voted we have a right to vote in a referendum.

He could have been the peoples' champion champion.

He voted against us awarding him that honour.

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Seeing you are on line Graham looking at this thread, I will ask my question from post 226 again:

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I think some will fall on stony ground Si

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Really?

Thanks.

I'll try my luck too, and see if he's prepared to answer the question, we'd all love the answer to, as well.

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Jay, we will see, I can be a bit like Paxman when I want to be.
Rindi mate, so far Graham has been replying for 25 minutes to this thread, Maybe he is having problems with simple questions?

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25?

Then my euros are on you being the lucky questioner, to receive a reply.

My question isn't so complicated, for so long an answer.

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35 minutes now must be one hell of an answer, or he's nobbed off;)

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He's gone now. i wonder if he is too important to mix with the little people

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Ya twas the time when he was one of the plebs too;)

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Perhaps they just rang the gong for dinner, at his friend EdM's palatial home?

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Have given this matter much thought, n i see it as a catch22, I probably wouldn't answer, if the answer was embarrassing to me! n if i thought me credibility was blown out the window. but thats just me.

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Hang on here.. less than 50 people voted in this poll but somehow Garinda and the lap dogs have turned it into some massive poll of public opinion in Hydnburn with 50 voters.

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Mancie to the rescue!

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Yes BG....well he would do wouldn't he?
Maybe Mancie goes around with his eyes and ears closed to general opinion.

This sample could only ever be a 'staw poll' but hey, let's not let that get in the way of what appears to be convincing evidence.

In case you hadn't noticed Mancie, this poll reflects much bigger ones that have been conducted elsewhere in the country by different organisations. (I'm sure G will be along shortly to give you links appropriate to the evidence - me? I have sausages to prick, grates to black lead and clinkers to poke)

Accyweb and Garinda are easy targets to have a pop at.....especially when all of us have gone to bed.

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Groove thinks this tread is boring and has carried on for far too long now.

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The Guardian, left-wing, and credible enough for you?

'Some 70% of voters want a vote on Britain's EU membership.'

EU referendum: poll shows 49% would vote for UK withdrawal | World news | The Guardian

Their poll, published the week before Graham Jones voted against an E.U. referendum, despite posting on here that he had no problem with one, showed that a massive 70% of the U.K. population are demanding the right to vote in a referendum.

Whether in an open vote, it was fifty, or fifty thousand people who took part, at just under 90%, it's a pretty clear indication as to what local people think up here. Perhaps it's different in your little bubble in south London.

The results of this poll also reflects the results of similar polls on AW over the years. Including the one started by a moderator on here, before I'd joined, which showed just under 80% would vote to leave the E.U.

The evidence is very clear, for those who want to see it.

I'm sure even you could if you tried.

Even if your little bubble's dripping in condensation.

;)

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Well, 'if' you plan on sticking around, I suggest not reading it.

It's going to be active for at least the next three and a half years.

Until the next General Election.

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Thank you G....I still have clinkers to poke.... the grate is black leaded and the sausages are pricked!

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Groove...why don't you go and play in the traffic?
This is far more important than your inane, juvenile 'jokes'.
That you find it boring, says quite a lot about your mentality.

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Don't worry.

Amazingly there's always some useful pin at hand, which can easily pop the bubble, some people choose to live in.

;):D

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Funny Mancie, yeh made some daft comments in the early hours,but this must rank wi the daftest, unless of course yeh can provide evidence of a poll giving the opposite view?:confused: cos i sure as hell aint seen one.all the ones i have seen in media or tv,say exactly the same as the 50 on here.:rolleyes::rolleyes:by the way using yer daft logic this wonderful government we got now has been elected by the same token.so come on show us yer not wrong provide the evidence.

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Carry on.

You can call me all the names under the sun, if it makes you feel better.

Labelling the 41 members who voted in the poll as 'lap dogs', who voted that they want a referendum on the E.U., will win you no friends on here.

To back up the poll result, there have been posts made to support members' demands that we should be given a right to vote in a referendum, by people of all political pursuasion, and those who have no party political allegiance.

That's the reality of the situation.

To choose to ignore that fact, shows who really is the lap dog.

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Cashy, please don't hold your breath waiting for him to find the evidence to contradict what the rest of us poor lapdogs are saying.
Perhaps Mancie likes the thought of people coming in from the eastern bloc(and eventually Turkey...well, if the EU doesn't crash and burn first that is) and dipping their bread in his gravy......entitled to all benefits from day one, housing, health care...sending child benefit home to boost their economy...perhaps it soothes his poor old conscience to think that UK tax-payer can help these disadvantaged people. Yeah Right!

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There are some people who think its right that GB plc be used as the doormat for the rest of the down and outs from other countries in Europe, who have sussed that our benefit system pays far more than the systems in their own countries, and whats more the unelected bureaucrats are saying the GB must pay these people through our benefit system, yet we aren't allowed a say in this because our politicians now best:mad:

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John, our self serving politicians only think they know best.

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Ya that's why, over the last few years, after spending most of my life involved, I have become so disillusioned with politics and politicians. When I first entered into the political arena you became a councillor because you want to work for the people you lived amongst and whats more you didn't get paid, unless you had to miss work, which was very rare indeed. Now as we've seen over the last few years, its just how much can I make out of it, for the least effort, and don't forget the exes:mad:

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Blimey just seen this.

Do you want your MP to uphold his election pledge to hold a referendum?

Yes http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...lls/bar2-l.gifhttp://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...polls/bar2.gifhttp://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...lls/bar2-r.gifhttp://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/clear.gif...... 22.....91.67%
No http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...lls/bar3-l.gifhttp://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...polls/bar3.gifhttp://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...lls/bar3-r.gif.........http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/clear.gif 2.......8.33%

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...aty-37502.html

Perhaps Graham's getting a bit muddled.

This 91.67% might be where he's got his mythical '95% of people don't give a toss about Europe'.

Well he's nearly right.

91.67% is very nearly 95%.

:rolleyes:

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'Last year, Mr Cameron promised to fight for a “cut or a freeze” in the 2011 EU budget, but was eventually forced to settle for a rise of 2.9 per cent, costing Britain another £450 million.'

'The additional payment would take Britain’s annual EU contribution to more than £10 billion in 2012, the equivalent of £400 for every household.'

'George Osborne, the Chancellor, accusing EU officials of having lost touch with reality.'

'Last night the Government refused to say what, if any, increase in Britain’s contributions ministers were prepared to accept, prompting charges that they would eventually “roll over” and agree to hand over more taxpayers’ money.'

David Cameron under pressure to block EU demand for £400 per British family - Telegraph





Can't imagine there are 95% of Hyndburn households who 'don't give a toss', according to Graham Jones, about coughing up an EXTRA £400 each next year, to send to our E.U. brethren.

:mad:

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there may not be an F in europe but we certainly need to get the F out of it ;)

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Not clear if it's an additional sum taking the amount per family up to £400 or and extra £400 per family....?

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not to worry by the time camerons cuts have put everyone out of work there wont be anyone to pay the euro bill so we may either get evicted or repossessed.

only kidding theres always money in the pot for other countries :rolleyes:

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What is clear is that we'll just bend over, and pay it...as usual.

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Yes but we'll do it in a proud stiff upper lipped way, with a nice strong cup of tea to take away the pain. :D

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Which may fall foul of EU packaging rules that tea may not be a painkiller, just as water may not hydrate.

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Tea is definitely diuretic -and everyone does seem to be Pee-ed off with this subject....:rolleyes:

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Sadly, I'm afraid there's no end in sight.

Still, I always wanted a hobby, besides my European dolls and troll collection.

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If anyone gets my vote after this farce it is probably this man...

'The Euro Game Is Up! Just who the hell do you think you are?' - Nigel Farage MEP - YouTube

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i think we should consider putting the government on a pay and go system like mobile phones have

you pay your tax each month and if at the end of the month you arnt happy with the service and how they spend your money you dont top up the government the following month. :)

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This one, certainly won't be getting my vote

Graham Jones MP Speaks Out Against Police Cuts - YouTube

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we cant afford police because were funding his precious EU

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Um 7 minutes 9 seconds vid, lifes too short to waste that much time on somebody who doesn't listen to the people who elected him

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I agree, jay. but it is the contrast in oratorical style between the two that struck me more.

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I cant believe there are only about 20 MPs there. What is the point of talking with no one listening?

How much are MP's paid and only 20 turned up to work?

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Maybe it depends who's speaking?:D

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Looks about '95% of them don't give a toss', I'd say.

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Any of you guys support this idea:

Recall election - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't know if too many politicians would go for it; but I kinda like it:dancedog:

Maybe one of you could contact your member of parliament and find out what his postion is on recall elections.:rolleyes:

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What his position is now, you mean?...or what his position was two weeks ago? ;)

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ooohhhh nice touch lol ...


get that salt rubbed right in deep girl lol :D:D:D

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Delicate indeed.

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Every MP has a TV link in their office, to be honest I would be very worried, if Mps were sat in the chamber every minute of the day, because quite frankly they wouldn't be doing much at all. Most of an MPs work is carried out away from the Chamber, its like HBC really on a much smaller scale, the full council only sits once a month, not even that, most of the work goes on out side the chamber

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Aye but who's to say they aint watching Blueys?:rolleyes:

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Would think that's much like Turkeys endorsing Christmas Eric, they only play to the public when its coming up to elections, so doubt if any of them would want to answer to the people who stamped their ticket for the gravy train, before they are meant to;)

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Do not be silly cashy, Jonesy watching a bluey:eek::eek::eek::eek:he hates anything blue except Rovers:D:D

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I have received another e-mail from Graham Jones regarding the EU

Further to your previous email regarding the Commons motion on an EU membership referendum, I understand that our membership of the European Union is an issue which is very important to some people, so I wanted to explain the reasons I voted against the motion.

I wish first of all to dispel the belief that this motion would somehow lead to the UK’s withdrawal from the EU. The referendum proposed was not a simple yes/no question, it was a triple question offering in/out/in with reform. Opinion polls consistently show that the latter would win comfortably, locking Britain into Europe.

Secondly is the issue of my position prior to the general election. I stood as a Labour candidate on a Labour manifesto and was elected as such. The views of the Labour Party on Europe are well documented, and even if I did not share these views, it is important that I deliver to my constituents the promises upon which I was elected.

The UK’s membership of the EU has brought a great many benefits to UK citizens, most notably in the area of workers’ rights. The TUPE, the Working Time Directive, guarantees of fair pay, paid holidays and maternity and paternity leave are all guaranteed by European law. Indeed, the EU protects us as consumers as well as workers; the reduction in the cost of mobile phone calls to other European countries was the result of decisions made in Europe.

The Tory MPs who decry the EU as a ‘socialist’ organisation are in my view knowingly (or carelessly) attacking something which guarantees the working standards of my constituents, because of an ideological belief in the insignificance of such rights. There are many in my Party who are anti-EU, however it became evident during the debate that there was a split between the Labour euro sceptics and the Tory MPs who were interested only in undermining workers rights. As a Labour MP I refused to play any part in the continued dilution of workers’ rights.

Lastly is the issue of an alternative. If the UK was to leave the EU, we would surely still wish to trade with it (it is by far our greatest trade partner), and EU regulation would still apply to goods we wished to export to Europe. Therefore businesses would still have their goods regulated by Europe, but the UK would no longer have a say (not to mention a veto) on the formulation of these regulations. If we are to have the export-driven recovery that the government is pursuing, I think now is a particularly bad time to consider leaving the European Union.

I regret that I cannot support a referendum on membership of the EU until these issues have been addressed, a credible alternative to membership has been articulated, and euro sceptics on the right accept comprehensive employment legislation.

Yours sincerely
Graham Jones

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More irrelevant waffle.:rolleyes::jimbo:

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I regret I will not vote for any politician who cannot see the damage that the EU is doing to our country.....what the hell am I saying.........No I don't regret that I cannot vote for a politician who cannot follow his own values.

The long epistle from Mr Jones is proof that he has lost touch with the concerns for the local people he chose to represent, and has replaced these with Labour Party dogma.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Just not good enough.

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What a load of crap, i aint seen "ANY" opinion poll showing what he states.:rolleyes: all he would have had to do,is point people in the direction of these polls, to prove his case.:(

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That must mean we're in the other group.

Not in the '95% who don't give a toss about Europe', according to Graham Jones.

We might all have to shuffle in a bit more.

It's getting awfully crowded in here.

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]And the workers rights that Graham bleats on about will be workers coming here from the Eastern bloc.
I am sick of hearing it........round and round we go...paying more in, getting nowt out.......letting folk in, paying then for coming here...........
FOR GOD'S SAKE WILL SOMEONE GET US OUT????? NOW!

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Didn't Graham Jones, rather patronisingly I thought, post on here recently that you were the voice of reason?

Well what you're saying sounds perfectly reasonable to a great many people.

Even if mainstream political parties choose to ignore the rights of millions of people, who are desperately demanding a say in their own future.

Graham Jones's latest waffle is right up there with 'Ve ver only obeying ze orders', some what fittingly. Considering who's now calling the orders.

Unsuprisingly I still see he has no excuse, for mentioning democracy, and saying he had no problem with a referendum, weeks before voting against us having that democratic right.

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Question fer accywebbers? Has anyone seen any of "All these Polls" that substansiate what is being claimed? cos i would love to.

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Unadulterated Bull Shine for want of a better word, so he says he was elected on a labour party manifesto, will anybody on here tell me if they have ever actually read a copy or even seen one of any of the party manifesto prior to election, I would think the only people who have are those deeply involved in politics, but I wouldn't say it was bedtime reading for most folks in Hyndburn. Local people expect their MP to represent their needs in Westminster not kowtow to the Party machine come what may. Graham Jones had the chance to win the people of Hyndburn over and they would have supported him from then on, but he blew it big time and a lot of people won't forget

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I'm still waiting for proof that would back up Graham Jones's statement that '95% don't give a toss about Europe'.

Perhaps that poll was taken amongst party brown noses, at some fancy dinner, held at that EdM person's gaff.

:rolleyes:

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I have to say that statement reminds me very much of "Custers Last Stand":rolleyes:

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Is a manifesto like when leaders make promises, before an election?

Like both Blair, and Brown did, promising a referendum on the E.U.?