Attack on soldier in woolwich - Page 13

Margaret Pilkington · 28-05-2013, 13:25

and there I end my involvement in this thread. I have said all I want to on this subject.

Less · 28-05-2013, 13:42

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Originally Posted by GEaston

I don't equate morals with Christianity (or any religion) because there simply is no link.

People know the difference between right and wrong and that has nothing to do with whether you believe in the sun, the sea, Thor, or more "modern" religions if they can be called that.

Religion and faith are the primary cause of war in the modern world just as they were in olden times.

I am also an atheist, however it gives me no right to belittle someone's faith, after all, I believe there is no God, I have no more proof that he/she/it doesn't exist than a devout believer has that he/she/it does exist.
Surely, the only advantage we have is we don't have to get up early to worship?

DtheP47 · 28-05-2013, 14:27

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Originally Posted by GEaston

I don't equate morals with Christianity (or any religion) because there simply is no link.

People know the difference between right and wrong and that has nothing to do with whether you believe in the sun, the sea, Thor, or more "modern" religions if they can be called that.

Religion and faith are the primary cause of war in the modern world just as they were in olden times.

You are being just a tad disingenuous GE, Margaret addresses the points so so well in her posts #179 & 180.
Religion has changed it's function with time over the course of human societies The original function of religion was explanation and social organisation. Origin myths like the book of Genesis are widespread to explain the universe, people and language diversity. The ancient Greeks who identified correct scientific phenomena, incorrectly invoked supernatural agents to explain sunrise, sunset, tides, winds and rain. Yes increasingly religions original explanatory role has increasingly been userped by science but you can't refute the social organisation aspects of any religion then or now within that has to be education and morals or they would have self destructed.

cashman · 28-05-2013, 14:35

Some people yeh just can't tell owt, They know it all.

Less · 28-05-2013, 14:47

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Originally Posted by cashman

Some people yeh just can't tell owt, They know it all.

I know, how many times have I told you what to think and you still insist on getting it wrong?

Retlaw · 28-05-2013, 14:56

The so called god of the present day christian religion was invented by moses and his cohorts to keep control of the tribes of Israel.
No matter which brand of religion takes your fancy, its all about control & power of the many by the few. Its just another form of dictatorship, do as tha telld or thal fry in hell.

accyman · 28-05-2013, 14:58

the only good thing about christianity is that you can say what you like about it and not be called a racist or end up in trouble with teh law.Say anything similar to what iv said today about islam or put a certain picture up on a forum and riots start all over teh world,your death demanded and possible prosecution from the law.

what a complete and utter joke

Less · 28-05-2013, 15:03

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Originally Posted by accyman

what a complete and utter joke

No it isn't the punch line is missing!

GEaston · 28-05-2013, 15:05

My moral compass didn't come from Christian teachings. I realised that was a crock just as soon as I saw the pope step out on the balcony of his self proclaimed tax free palace to see that (plus the story was just way too ludicrous to hold up to the slightest examination). Saying people "just know" must give them great comfort. Alas weak minded people need to feel that there is a point to all this.....

My kids are not brought up with a shred of religious bull but you can be sure they are well aware of the difference between right and wrong.

DtheP47 · 28-05-2013, 15:31

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Originally Posted by GEaston

My moral compass didn't come from Christian teachings. I realised that was a crock just as soon as I saw the pope step out on the balcony of his self proclaimed tax free palace to see that (plus the story was just way too ludicrous to hold up to the slightest examination). Saying people "just know" must give them great comfort. Alas weak minded people need to feel that there is a point to all this.....

My kids are not brought up with a shred of religious bull but you can be sure they are well aware of the difference between right and wrong.

We are meandering off the thread, but here's another one. Probably religions strongest role in early societies was that of defusing our anxiety over problems and dangers beyond our control. When people have done everything realistically within their powr, then thats when they are most likely to resort to prayers, rituals, donations to the gods, consulting oracles etc. Yes of course all those methods are scientifically innefective at producing the desired result. But by preserving the fiction and convincing ones self and peer group that we are still doing something, we arent helpless and haven't given up. People feel in charge, less anxious and able to function and make their best effort.
This function in many religions has of course decreased as societies increased their control over lifes course by governments (state) growing stronger and decreasing the frequency of violence and other dangers. By organisation the state religious or otherwise became better at reducing famines by storing and distributing food and the development of science and technology.

Whichever way you slice it all this has it's roots in organised religion GE.
Homo sapien would not be where it is today without the leg up the evolutionary and social ladder religion gave us.

Less · 28-05-2013, 15:42

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Originally Posted by GEaston

My moral compass didn't come from Christian teachings. I realised that was a crock just as soon as I saw the pope step out on the balcony of his self proclaimed tax free palace to see that (plus the story was just way too ludicrous to hold up to the slightest examination). Saying people "just know" must give them great comfort. Alas weak minded people need to feel that there is a point to all this.....

My kids are not brought up with a shred of religious bull but you can be sure they are well aware of the difference between right and wrong.

No-one gives a monkey about your religious beliefs, until you tread on their toes.
I'm sure you have brought your kids up as well as you could.

Believe or don't believe, this non existent god gave you freedom of choice NOT to believe so every time the argument is lost.
Meanwhile, we seem to be well away from the subject, which is that some poor sod was killed in his homeland by an idiot terrorist?

With or without a god, this should not be allowed.

Eric · 28-05-2013, 16:21

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Originally Posted by GEaston

Religion and faith are the primary cause of war in the modern world just as they were in olden times.

You forgot to mention oil.

jaysay · 28-05-2013, 17:18

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Originally Posted by accyman

its not a matter of becoming fashionable to sneer at religion its that people have evolved and have a better understanding of how things work.Humans are no longer halfwit uneducated guilable creatures with no education that will buy any story going or worship something they dont understand.If i took a petrol lighter back in time i would most likely be dubbed teh god of fire the man who can produce fire from his finger tips.

the bible use to be called gods word but now most of the things in it are deemed a crock of crap we are told it is merely a guide to what god wants.

how convinient

you want to have an imaginary friend then fine but dont go around telling people he exists then complain when you get laughed at

Now this guy was a hot head