The Tories

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

You're probably right. Everything Socialist went pear shaped after Thatcher. I suppose a Socialist now is a sort of left-wing Tory. Oh God, I hope I'm wrong!!!

That's when they learned that unless they ditched socialism they'd never be elected again, enter Blair Brown and Co

[Boeing Guy]

Houseboy, I suggest you read Animal Farm, it is a very good analogy of Socalism.

As it happens, I am all for Socalism just as long as we all can wear Rolex wrist watches, drive Porsche 911 Turbo's have nice houses etc etc.. Oh hang on that's not allowed.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Houseboy, I suggest you read Animal Farm, it is a very good analogy of Socalism.

As it happens, I am all for Socalism just as long as we all can wear Rolex wrist watches, drive Porsche 911 Turbo's have nice houses etc etc.. Oh hang on that's not allowed.

It is if your call Bob Crow BG

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Houseboy, I suggest you read Animal Farm, it is a very good analogy of Socalism.

As it happens, I am all for Socalism just as long as we all can wear Rolex wrist watches, drive Porsche 911 Turbo's have nice houses etc etc.. Oh hang on that's not allowed.

Read it several times, one of my favourite books. It's not an analogy of socialism though, it's an analogy of Stalinism, a completely different beast.
I long since realised that human nature makes true socialism very difficult to the point of impossibility, but the basic principles of socialism can and should be adopted to counter the sheer greed and selfishness that come from unfettered capitalism.
If it weren't for socialism (and the unions) we would still all be working for sixpence a fortnight, living in crap housing provided by an employer who could then make you homeless if he decided to sack you for being thirty seconds late. He could then fine you half a weeks wages for making an honest mistake at your job, put your five year old child to work, make you work twelve hour days, six days a week and even sack you for not attending church on your one day off. The wages would be so poor that your wife may have to go on the game to subsidise your pitiful income, subjecting herself to the whims of people like your employer, who is one of the few who can afford anything at all. Said wife would not, of course have a vote either.
If anyone thinks that this is a flight of fantasy please take a short course in sociology at any college and you will find that this was life in Victorian times, envied so much by Thatcher.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Houseboy, I suggest you read Animal Farm, it is a very good analogy of Socalism.

As it happens, I am all for Socalism just as long as we all can wear Rolex wrist watches, drive Porsche 911 Turbo's have nice houses etc etc.. Oh hang on that's not allowed.

Blair and Brown could be Snowball and Napolean,I nominate Prescott for post of Squealer.

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by Benipete

Blair and Brown could be Snowball and Napolean,I nominate Prescott for post of Squealer.

I presume then that Thatcher would have the role of the drunken incompetent farmer who they replaced?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

I presume then that Thatcher would have the role of the drunken incompetent farmer who they replaced?

Well if she a drunken incompetent, does say much for Blair or Brown

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well if she a drunken incompetent, does say much for Blair or Brown

Actually,Jay, I think she was very competent. That's what made her so dangerous. If she hadn't known what she was doing then I could forgive to a certain extent, but she most certainly did. That's what I cannot forgive.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

Actually,Jay, I think she was very competent. That's what made her so dangerous. If she hadn't known what she was doing then I could forgive to a certain extent, but she most certainly did. That's what I cannot forgive.

What dragging this country up by the bootlaces and putting it back on the straight and narrow, after years of misrule, and made sure it was the government of the day that run this country not the Trade Unions

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

What dragging this country up by the bootlaces and putting it back on the straight and narrow, after years of misrule, and made sure it was the government of the day that run this country not the Trade Unions

Yeah, I remember several years of being dragged back to the straight and narrow, factories and other industry closed, profits from gas and oil used to keep folk down rather than use the cash to invest in the future.
Miners she said, lets take some bitchy revenge for what they did a few years before, let's waste what we have putting them and innocent bystanders in their place rather than a good future for all.

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by jaysay

What dragging this country up by the bootlaces and putting it back on the straight and narrow, after years of misrule, and made sure it was the government of the day that run this country not the Trade Unions

You mean making whole industries and communities redundant?
You mean ruling over the most devided Britain that modern times has seen?
Or was it the tax cuts to the rich paid for by taxing the poor more?
Was it the promotion of greed and selfishness on a scale not seen in over a hundred years?
Or maybe it was the erosion of workers rights, sacrificed to her love of all things Victorian?
Perhaps it was the record unemployment (how does that put the country back on the straight and narrow)?
Let me guess! It was the record interest rates (15%) that caused businesses to go to the wall and people to lose their homes (it was great for those with savings though wasn't it).
I suppose it was really the fact that she "brought the unions under control" (a favourite of Thatchers fans).
What has always baffled me is the idea amongst Tory supporters that the unions having any say in running the country is a bad thing. After all they look after the interests of workers. Are we to suppose that the only people to run a country are the people who look after the interests of the employers? If so who looks after the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population? Or do we not matter as long as the wheels of industry keep turning? Governments run countries, yes. But should we not be at least listening to those who represent ordinary people? The problem with governments of all colours but particularly the Tories is that they do not live in our world but they control it. How can they begin to understand the needs of the many when they live and breath and work with the few?
Creating wealth is not a bad thing and is to be encouraged, but when that wealth is spread amongst only a relative handful of people to the detriment of the vast majority we need to have a serious re-think about how we do things.

[Benipete]

The point being made is that once the representatives of ordinary people notch up a couple of million followers paying £2-00 a week they seam to loose the plot.:

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by Benipete

The point being made is that once the representatives of ordinary people notch up a couple of million followers paying £2-00 a week they seam to loose the plot.:

That does indeed sometimes happen. I'm not saying hand over the reigns of power to unelected union leaders, perish the thought. What I am saying is that at least listening to what they have to say is no bad thing. Going to war against those who represent millions in various industries is not good government.

[cashman]

Labour are far from great, But good government n Tory do not go in the same sentence.

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by cashman

Labour are far from great, But good government n Tory do not go in the same sentence.

Agreed!!!