The Tories - Page 125

Houseboy · 10-09-2012, 09:31

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Originally Posted by garinda

I'd be interested to see which organisation grades a lawyer, Cherie Blair for instance, the same as an equally fully employed cleaning lady.

Did I say that? Mmmm! So I said that a lawyer is graded the same as a cleaner? Interesting! Are you certain you don't agree with legalising drugs? I'll get back to this, just a bit busy at the moment, I work.

jaysay · 10-09-2012, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

Did I say that? Mmmm! So I said that a lawyer is graded the same as a cleaner? Interesting! Are you certain you don't agree with legalising drugs? I'll get back to this, just a bit busy at the moment, I work.

Better really to check things out before making platitudes, usually helps some what, some people can't work which isn't of their choice

garinda · 10-09-2012, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

Did I say that? Mmmm!

Er...yes, loud and clear.

Can't recall saying it?

Here you go, only three days ago...

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

Officially, on the a's, b's etc scale, class is based solely on employment not on income or wealth.

If memory's similarly graded on a scale, I'm afraid you're an E.

garinda · 10-09-2012, 09:52

Mind you, if I was prone to spouting utter gibberish, I'd try and wipe it from my memory too.

garinda · 10-09-2012, 09:55

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

I work.

Send our love to Cherie.

Houseboy · 10-09-2012, 12:20

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Originally Posted by garinda

Er...yes, loud and clear.

Can't recall saying it?

Here you go, only three days ago...

If memory's similarly graded on a scale, I'm afraid you're an E.

That's odd, I could have sworn I asked where I said that a cleaner was graded the same as a lawyer. Read your own copy and paste.
Now try again! I'll ask the question simply and clearly again so that you will understand: where did I say lawyers and cleaners were graded the same??
Before you get even more confused, just to clear things up, lawyers are on the 'A' grade in social stratification, cleaners (if my poor memory serves) are on 'E'. I don't think this is the same as saying they are graded the same.

garinda · 10-09-2012, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

That's odd, I could have sworn I asked where I said that a cleaner was graded the same as a lawyer. Read your own copy and paste.
Now try again! I'll ask the question simply and clearly again so that you will understand: where did I say lawyers and cleaners were graded the same??
Before you get even more confused, just to clear things up, lawyers are on the 'A' grade in social stratification, cleaners (if my poor memory serves) are on 'E'. I don't think this is the same as saying they are graded the same.

Er...no one's saying you did.

I said it.

It's quite clearly there for all to see, in black and white.

I used it as an absurd example. After you wrongly posted that the A, B, C1, C2, D, and E social grading system is to quote you 'Officially, on the a's, b's etc scale, class is based solely on employment not on income or wealth.'

It isn't.

There is no such system in the world who classifies a person's perceived position in society, based purely on whether they're in employment, or not.

I'm afraid on the scale of logic, you're still right down there with your grade of 'E'.

Mancie · 10-09-2012, 20:49

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Originally Posted by jaysay

some people can't work which isn't of their choice

I reckon you are going soft.. this government make no distinction between having or not having that choice.

Houseboy · 11-09-2012, 09:05

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Originally Posted by garinda

Er...no one's saying you did.

I said it.

It's quite clearly there for all to see, in black and white.

I used it as an absurd example. After you wrongly posted that the A, B, C1, C2, D, and E social grading system is to quote you 'Officially, on the a's, b's etc scale, class is based solely on employment not on income or wealth.'

It isn't.

There is no such system in the world who classifies a person's perceived position in society, based purely on whether they're in employment, or not.

I'm afraid on the scale of logic, you're still right down there with your grade of 'E'.

The UK Office of National Statistics Socio-economic Classification Group Description
1 Higher Professional and Managerial workers A
2 Lower Managerial and Professional workers B
3 Intermediate occupations C1 and C2
4 Small Employers and non professional self-employed C1 and C2
5 Lower Supervisory and technical C1 and C2
6 Semi Routine Occupations D
7 Routine Occupations D
8 Long term unemployed E

You seem to be persisting in this idea that I said a persons classification is down to "whether they're in employment, or not." It is down to the "type" of employment, as I have said all along. Sorry I don't know what I'm talking about, you're obviously far better informed than I. Perhaps you'd better inform the Office of National Statistics that they've got it wrong as well.

jaysay · 11-09-2012, 09:11

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

The UK Office of National Statistics Socio-economic Classification Group Description
1 Higher Professional and Managerial workers A
2 Lower Managerial and Professional workers B
3 Intermediate occupations C1 and C2
4 Small Employers and non professional self-employed C1 and C2
5 Lower Supervisory and technical C1 and C2
6 Semi Routine Occupations D
7 Routine Occupations D
8 Long term unemployed E

You seem to be persisting in this idea that I said a persons classification is down to "whether they're in employment, or not." It is down to the "type" of employment, as I have said all along. Sorry I don't know what I'm talking about, you're obviously far better informed than I. Perhaps you'd better inform the Office of National Statistics that they've got it wrong as well.

Think Disraeli was quite near the mark when he was reported saying there are Lies Damn Lies and statistics, you can make statistic fit anything you want

Houseboy · 11-09-2012, 09:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Think Disraeli was quite near the mark when he was reported saying there are Lies Damn Lies and statistics, you can make statistic fit anything you want

I agree with that statement entirely Jay. Thing is though the above are not statistics. It is simply a classification system. I do agree though that statistics in themselves can prove anything you want if you present them in the right way.

Less · 11-09-2012, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

Group Description
1 Higher Professional and Managerial workers A
2 Lower Managerial and Professional workers B
3 Intermediate occupations C1 and C2
4 Small Employers and non professional self-employed C1 and C2
5 Lower Supervisory and technical C1 and C2
6 Semi Routine Occupations D
7 Routine Occupations D
8 Long term unemployed E

Life's like a roller coaster for me, I seem to be up and down anywhere from B to E then back again, funny thing though I never seem to meet anyone from A in the dole queue whenever they have put a red line through my name and thrown me back on the scrap heap.

Houseboy · 11-09-2012, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Less

funny thing though I never seem to meet anyone from A in the dole queue whenever they have put a red line through my name and thrown me back on the scrap heap.

And you probably never will, Less. All I can say is keep at it and don't let the sods grind you down. Judging from some of your posts on here you seem to have enough grit to bounce back and I'm sure you will.

garinda · 11-09-2012, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

You seem to be persisting in this idea that I said a persons classification is down to "whether they're in employment, or not." It is down to the "type" of employment, as I have said all along.

Er...no, you didn't.

Actually, and somewhat foolishly, you said this...

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Originally Posted by Houseboy

Officially, on the a's, b's etc scale, class is based solely on employment not on income or wealth.

You were wrong.

Continually still harping on about it doesn't change a thing.

It still leaves you as being wrong.

garinda · 11-09-2012, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Less

Life's like a roller coaster for me, I seem to be up and down anywhere from B to E then back again, funny thing though I never seem to meet anyone from A in the dole queue whenever they have put a red line through my name and thrown me back on the scrap heap.

I've been to Nice, and the isles of Greece, where I sipped champagne on a yacht.

I moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo, and showed 'em what I've got

I've been undressed by kings, and I've seen some things that a person ain't supposed to see.

I've been to paradise, but I've never been to E.

(Yet.)