The Tories

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

nope paying private companies thinking it wont go through public spending figure which is a waste of money because they get less service by paying more because its for the shareholder profit.thats what you call wasting money..and andrew b it takes 520,000 people to do what the public sector done lol there is an average of 400,000 jobs on jobcentre plus which these figures are from .about 200,000 are part time at least 150,000 temporary through agencies which leaves 50,000 full time for a population of millions your having a laugh. why is there more people now claiming jobseekers now than there was when labour left office

Office for National Statistics. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/lmsuk0711.pdf

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

Cataracts, hips, knees and tonsils: NHS begins rationing operations - Health News, Health & Families - The Independent while labour fixed to waiting list to acceptable, the tories drag us back to the eighties

Conveniently forgetting that Labour would have slashed the NHS budget where as it's actually increasing under the Coalition? Perhaps the fact that Labour were going to cut the NHS budget might provoke you into realising that the Government has been spending way beyond the amount of money it gets in.

That's the reason we need NHS reform because despite the budget increasing it's not keeping up with an ageing population that is living much longer.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by andrewb

That's the reason we need NHS reform because despite the budget increasing it's not keeping up with an ageing population that is living much longer.

I wonder why? perhaps the money went elsewhere, aint impossible the Pension Funds are a prime example.

[Margaret Pilkington]

My, my C'mon....haven't you been a busy boy. All that cutting and pasting(lazy,lazy,lazy).
It must have left you so tired.
I don't beleive you actually read or understand any of this stuff. If you did, you would be able to put a post together, and actually discuss what you have read, be able to give us your own opinions on what has been written. Perhaps using examples, such as the impact the article discusses, is having on your daily life.

Your posts are tedious, hard to decipher...... or are just links that are biased against one major political party. Same old, same old.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Conveniently forgetting that Labour would have slashed the NHS budget where as it's actually increasing under the Coalition? Perhaps the fact that Labour were going to cut the NHS budget might provoke you into realising that the Government has been spending way beyond the amount of money it gets in.

That's the reason we need NHS reform because despite the budget increasing it's not keeping up with an ageing population that is living much longer.

Thought you may just have mentioned Andrew that the only party ever to cut NHS spending in real terms was the Wilson Labour government in the 60s

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

My, my C'mon....haven't you been a busy boy. All that cutting and pasting(lazy,lazy,lazy).
It must have left you so tired.
I don't believe you actually read or understand any of this stuff. If you did, you would be able to put a post together, and actually discuss what you have read, be able to give us your own opinions on what has been written. Perhaps using examples, such as the impact the article discusses, is having on your daily life.

Your posts are tedious, hard to decipher...... or are just links that are biased against one major political party. Same old, same old.

Margaret he's not tedious, he's just left wing newspaper headline grabbing prat

[cmonstanley]

no not lazy just gathering evidence that this goverment is clueless and bad for your health some more jobs go BBC News - MoD to cut further 7,000 civilian jobs they are just printing the truth that the goverment dont want you to know.and the tories would rather you die as they want to privatise the nhs they are spending more on the nhs as the proposals they are pushing through are costing £2 billion extre just to set up the proposals which is wasting money.the reason they want private firms in is to lay the foundations of privatasion so they dont need to pay anybody off when they sell the nhs off i remember the 80s de ja vu

[Margaret Pilkington]

You are lazy.....and tedious. You only ever post stuff for contentious reasons. You never actually discuss your thoughts on the articles that you provide links to. How do we know if you have read them, let alone, understand them?
They are just soundbites...something that the Blair government used a lot of.
Headlines are just to grab your attention. That is all you ever try to do.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

no not lazy just gathering evidence that this goverment is clueless and bad for your health some more jobs go BBC News - MoD to cut further 7,000 civilian jobs

Have you not stopped to think that even though Accy Wed is certainly no Tory (that's Tory with a capital T by the way) stronghold nobody and I mean nobody (except Mancie) ever agrees with you, save yourself the trouble and go on holiday with BEE, he might just knock some common sense into you, but I doubt it. Oh by the way if you think this Government are useless, the last lot were totally and utterly incompetent, well in actual fact they were

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You are lazy.....and tedious. You only ever post stuff for contentious reasons. You never actually discuss your thoughts on the articles that you provide links to. How do we know if you have read them, let alone, understand them?
They are just soundbites...something that the Blair government used a lot of.
Headlines are just to grab your attention. That is all you ever try to do.

Well there's one thing Margaret, if ever the Guardian and Independent got to paid access on the Internet, our friend will be really knackered

[cmonstanley]

Things are bad and the fundamentals of the economy are poor. But this is in large part because for the last 30 years or so far too much emphasis has been placed in the financial services sector (and firms like Tulett Prebon) rather than in the sectors that can actually create real growth and wealth like manufacturing.

However the problem with debt has been much worse in the past.




The current discourse about national debt in the media and in politics is incredibly dumbed down. Alot people seem to assume that they understand economics because at a personal level they spend and earn money, have bank accounts, have mortgage debt etc but this understanding of personal finance is not relevant to trying to understand macroeconomics and long term economic trends and cycles. Trying to pin the blame for global economic meltdown on the Chancellor of a middle sized European economy is quite frankly, insane.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Clever boy.
Where did you cut and paste that from then?
I know it isn't your own handiwork...it is punctuated.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

no not lazy just gathering evidence that this goverment is clueless and bad for your health some more jobs go BBC News - MoD to cut further 7,000 civilian jobs they are just printing the truth that the goverment dont want you to know.and the tories would rather you die as they want to privatise the nhs they are spending more on the nhs as the proposals they are pushing through are costing £2 billion extre just to set up the proposals which is wasting money.the reason they want private firms in is to lay the foundations of privatasion so they dont need to pay anybody off when they sell the nhs off i remember the 80s de ja vu

Good.They've been dug in long enough with fixed ballpoints.

[cmonstanley]

ohh and a word of advice if anybody is getting dollars wait till next week when it crashes and america defaults.so much for the capitalist tory dream the share holder andbanks has raped and pillaged the uk economy in the last 30 years and it was leaderine who de regulated china must be awful nervous as it is the main manufacturing base who are the main lenders to nations in the world.

[MargaretR]

I am convinced by Gerald Celente's trend forecasts too.
The dollar will crash and others will follow like dominoes.
Result - hyperinflation, food shortages, mass unemployment = a depression deeper than any before.