You will join in

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by cashman

agree, but that aint the issue.

The problem is Cashy that with this story that is EXACTLY the issue. It has been twisted to give it a racist bias when the original problem they were trying to solve was that the non-Muslims were scoffing all the nosh and not leaving the Iftar packs for the Muslims to break their fast with when the time came. Now if I'm fasting I don't care one jot if anyone else is eating. My late husband used to not fast because he was diabetic. Him eating didn't bother me at all but I would have been highly dischuffed if he'd eaten his dinner and mine. I would probably have said something along the lines of "If you can't keep your greedy mits off my share then wait for your own until I'm ready too!" which is basically what has happened here only they've tried to do it more politely.

I'm saddened to see that the racist comments by some of the posters in this thread have deterred others from chatting here. We are not all alike and some of us detest racism just as much as you do Tin Monkey. The only way to keep a balance is for the non-racists like you to join in and to make their views know, not to run away and leave the impression that AccyWeb is a racist site.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by emamum23

i didnt mean common sense, i meant polite.

It does help the debate if you write what you mean.

I, at least, am not a mind reader.

[jambutty]

Originally Posted by emamum23

nooo....... im not saying that non muslims shouldnt eat i am saying that they dont have to eat right in front of hungry people!

If Muslims do not like to watch other people eat whilst they cannot, then they should remove themselves from the vicinity.

[jambutty]

This issue isn’t just about no food being left that people seem to be concentrating on. The food issue is being used to effectively call the non Muslims greedy in scoffing all the food. That issue is easily resolved but it wouldn’t give the Muslim councillors any leverage if the food weren’t even put out until the Muslim councillors are eligible to eat it.

The major issue is that the number of council meetings have been reduced during Ramadan and breaks for prayers arranged during the remaining meetings. In other words the normal running of council business has been skewed to favour one particular religion. That is WRONG and it is not being racist to say so.

Council meetings today, the running of the Town Hall tomorrow???

People should wake up to the fact that slowly and surreptitiously the Islamic way is being foisted onto the incumbent residents of this land and amazingly some people are defending them.

[polly]

The real issue here is not should non muslims be eating in front of thos that are fasting

The real issue here is why are the council tax payers providing councillors with their food. Let them all, regardless of their religion, bring their own and let us spend the money on esential services.

As someone who is vegetarian. Ceoliac (cant spell) and allergic to numerous other foods I regularly have to do without food in public meetings. It does not bother me as I have my mind made up not to eat as I know it will make me ill. I am sure that Muslims feel the same during Ramadan, if you have decided not to eat then your brain takes over from the hunger.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

I'm just waiting for the classic, "I'm not a racist but..." line. My eyes have really been opened by this thread.

I'll stick to the Stanley section from now on.

Who in this post is talking about racism This is about religion, sociology, and politics. In particular, a particularly virulent, humorless, radical, and subversive form of religion that seeks to insinuate itself into a nation's social and political life ... and, to refer to my own post, this is true of certain forms of Islam and fundamentalist Christianity. Both are ultra-conservative; and both are dangerous if they achieve too much influence in any society.

[baldy]

Originally Posted by emamum23

are you gunna stop selling it as well?

What was that story a few months ago about a muslim working in a supermarket and refused to sell bacon so had to raise their hand till an english worker came to serve it, but if thats the case they will not be wanting to serve bacon, alcohol, deodrants etc

its about time this country picks up its pride thats been dragging on the floor for years

[WillowTheWhisp]

That is an entirely different topic but IMO if someone doesn't want to sell bacon then they shouldn't choose to work in a shop that sells it. Same with alcohol. I don't drink alcohol as part of my religion but that wouldn't stop me beeping it through a supermarket checkout for someone who waned to buy some.

[Wynonie Harris]

Sometimes I think I live in a different world to a lot of people on here, because I see no signs of Muslims wanting to "take over" or impose their views on the rest of us in my everyday life. How come the Muslim bloke who works in the next office will fast for Ramadam totally unconcerned about the rest of us chomping away on our lunchtime snacks (and will in fact make jokes about it, despite being part of a "humourless religion")? How come the Muslim girl in the local shop will serve me with my pork pie and cans of Guinness with her usual friendly smile? How come the Muslim family who live a few doors down will send us a Christmas card in a few months time?

Still, what do I know? If the newspapers say Muslims are making special demands, it must be true!

[cashman]

well said wyn, virtually what i was saying earlier in the thread, n we also got xmas cards off the family 2 doors away, though they moved in jan this year.

[Bonnyboy]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Sometimes I think I live in a different world to a lot of people on here, because I see no signs of Muslims wanting to "take over" or impose their views on the rest of us in my everyday life. How come the Muslim bloke who works in the next office will fast for Ramadam totally unconcerned about the rest of us chomping away on our lunchtime snacks (and will in fact make jokes about it, despite being part of a "humourless religion")? How come the Muslim girl in the local shop will serve me with my pork pie and cans of Guinness with her usual friendly smile? How come the Muslim family who live a few doors down will send us a Christmas card in a few months time?

Still, what do I know? If the newspapers say Muslims are making special demands, it must be true!

In day to day life I see much the same as you, no “takeover bids” no imposing of will.

I have seen the “racist card” played by a few in the work place by the more unscrupulous when thing did not go their way ( taking their turn on a bad job ), seen it more than once so assume it happens fairly frequently. The “sexist card “ came out a few times too, when a particular lesbian didn’t get her own way. Very tacky and undermines the real issues some people have. Seems to be a growing thing, just like the compensation culture.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by jambutty

If Muslims do not like to watch other people eat whilst they cannot, then they should remove themselves from the vicinity.

Jim...you are leading yourself down the path of racial discrimination....don't do it.

[emamum]

must just be me then...... if my friends arent eating then neither am i, while i am with them, doesnt mean i wont go for my dinner at dinner time.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy

In day to day life I see much the same as you, no “takeover bids” no imposing of will.

I have seen the “racist card” played by a few in the work place by the more unscrupulous when thing did not go their way ( taking their turn on a bad job ), seen it more than once so assume it happens fairly frequently. The “sexist card “ came out a few times too, when a particular lesbian didn’t get her own way. Very tacky and undermines the real issues some people have. Seems to be a growing thing, just like the compensation culture.

agree,its just a pity some can't or wont distinguish between the few n the majority.

[roberty12]

Originally Posted by AccyLass27

Are they going to make those that don't give/receive blood......give/receive blood?

As not to upset everyone else of course

hi i am rob