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oh my god, thought Bernard Manning had passed away.:D[/quote]


Yes but like Lazarus I rose from the grave.:cool:

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Mr. Khan does not want to buy Mr. O'Neill's shares, if he did buy them the money would go straight into Mr. O'Neill's pocket. Mr. Khan wants a new share issue so that the money goes straight into Accrington Stanley FC

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We know that & rightly so but thats not the point that was being made.

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So The DON is on holiday, I think that is a fact at present, he could still be on his laptop/mobile organising things, whilst getting away from the club, he may be operating better and thinking more clearly??

Just a thought :) :) :)

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Hope so!

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Yes but like Lazarus I rose from the grave.:cool:[/QUOTE]

A fair riposte , wouldn't you agree Cashy ??....But whilst the rather cynical Homonym is easily recognised....the implication fails to impress!!...

(Alfred.E. comments thus:-It's patently clear that'A leopard can't change his stripes !' ....now that is profound!!)

'QUO VADIS STANLEY ????'

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For Doug ......

Off thread but as you raised the question a few posts back I just have to know - are you going to make it as a porn star? :D

And if you do, will you pledge your earnings to SOS?

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Just to note had to review sticky threads & was a fair few more than allowed so have kept the new sos fundraising effort threads for sticky profile & as this one tends to be replied often & been stickied longest as with some others had to remove to allow for other prominent stanley sticks, anyone who has a prob please pm me :D

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Sounds like you've got yourself into a rather, sticky situation.

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power's gone to her 'ead :rolleyes:

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To whoever why do you need to use both Paul Keeble and Raggy Thun as your usernames, it's very obvious the more posts you make that it's the same person, please drop one and continue to join in.

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Mmm i watching & keeping an eye on the situation :D May i remind of the rules of ONLY one username per person:D

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I can assure you we are not the same person. I do know Raggy & we work in the same building & whilst we share a passion for local football & have a similar outlook on all this, we are individuals and are just expressing our individual opinions like everyone else.

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Be grateful if u could reply to my pm please:D

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some interesting comments good link mab.:)

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:rofl38: oh dear, ding dang doug.............:D

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Shut up and think of the money.........:D:D:D

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Just thinking after looking at the list of events from Official Site, it will be a tight squeeze to have another 2 matches at The Crown, in between all the other fixtures, just hope that folks can dig deep enough....


"We are hoping to announce two more fixtures at the Crown Ground, one against a local Premier League team and another against a side from America, both to raise funds for the campaign,"



Fri 25th Sep 09 - 7:45 PM H POSTER Crewe Alexandra League 2 -
Tue 29th Sep 09 - 7:45 PM A - v - Port Vale League 2 -
Sat 3rd Oct 09 - 3:00 PM A - v - Chesterfield League 2 -
Tue 6th Oct 09 - 7:45 PM H - v - Shrewsbury Town JPT2 -
Sat 10th Oct 09 - 3:00 PM H POSTER Cheltenham Town League 2 -
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Sat 24th Oct 09 - 3:00 PM A - v - Rochdale League 2 -
Sun 25th Oct 09 - 1:00 PM H; ULTRAS - v - LEGENDS S.O.S. MATCH
Fri 30th Oct 09 - 7:45 PM A - v - Grimsby Town League 2 -

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would be good if that came off , by the way can anyone tell me when this "Embargo" on signing players will be lifted n on what basis?:confused:

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Not too sure Cashy, as this one crept up on us, but I believe it is to do with monies not paid to P.F.A.? Maybe somebody from the club could confirm this.... :confused: :confused: :)

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How the hell is it obvious??? ok we may go on about similar things!!! I can assure that we are not the same person. For one im far better looking than Paul.:D

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks that the debt to HMRC is but part of a larger picture. Is it the tip of the iceberg or is it (hopefully) the majority of the iceberg?

We are raising funds to stave off a huge imminent problem. Assuming that we are successful, is the club ready with longer-term fund-raising plans? From what has already been said and written, we know that the DON and other directors are unable to fund any ongoing shortfall. Where will future money come from?

I know it's been said often before and forgive me for saying it yet again, but surely the only realistic prospects for the medium and long-term future of the club are either major sponsorship or a benevolent backer. Oops - should I have written "banker" instead of "backer":rolleyes:?

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Do stop going on about it!!...Some people have shown concern about the two significant others who, now and again I allow to share my postings.....'Alfred.E.' and 'HIM'...

It's always good to have an alter-ego or two..(Although my current psychiatrist wouldn't quite agree with that!) who like Paul and yourself 'go on about the same things'...(Sometimes Accrington Stanley even !!).

So why not become...Raggy Keeble ,or even Paul Thun... and state jointly held opinions in jointly agreed postings !...

Think of the space you would save...the number of suspicious contributors to our Forum you would cease to annoy...and the Moderators whose tender feet you would not tread upon!!.

Alfred.E. says..'It's as plain as the egg on your face !'...and we all say..

'ON STANLEY...ON!!!'

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Accrington Stanley to play Blackburn Rovers to help pay off tax bill (From Lancashire Telegraph)

So we're going put the money set aside for running costs into the HMRC fund and hope we recoup it in a friendly against Rovers in November?

The phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul" springs to mind.

Anything rather than grasp the nettle and talk to Ilyas. :mad:

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Did not realise that the S.O.S. Cup game had raised £50K :eek: :rolleyes:

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Never mind, Marcelle's still positive...

Accrington Stanley appoint woman chairman | The Jewish Chronicle

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Don't think the club did either - wasn't the figure they released was 35 grand?

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Its the Telegraph Accyman we know what they are like with the facts as Gayle:rolleyes:

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5000 people at a tenner each was £50k, lazy journalism though as it doesn't take concessions and running costs into consideration

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whilst this release from the club is welcome overdue perhaps, if it comes to pass the offer from another local club is more than welcome! however i fail to see how the revenue raised from the game, plus the other events to take place,along with donations, can ever equate to 230K approx.:confused: if anyone can please explain to me? therefore its time fer the club to "Come Clean" and tell the fans HOW?

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A dedication:
YouTube - Sum 41 - In Too Deep

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Good find Wyn!!...and I'm sure that you gave your full attention to 'THE MARCELLE FORMULA' within the article???

(QUOTE from JC...that's the Jewish Chronicle not THE JC!) ' I have a simple philosophy towards life.

“When you stay happy and focused on what you want to achieve, everything has a knack of working out the way you want it too. I am looking forward to really getting stuck into moving things forward.” (Unquote)

There it is !, the missing ingredient in it all is just being happy and having the knack !!....now why I wonder, didn't everyone spot this in the first place ?...It would have saved so much trouble !!. er... perhaps not??....


BEING HAPPY +.'THE KNACK' + 'GETTING STUCK IN'= MOVING FORWARDS!

SO SIMPLE REALLY !!!....'QUO VADIS STANLEY???'

ps. Alfred.E. says 'I've got the knack...anyone want to borrow it??'

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Bull **** springs to mind; negligence may too strong a word at the moment but we are well on the way. Events at Hyde United serve only to emphasise just how close this situation is to tears. Please will you people running Accrington Stanley take a fresh look at what you are doing; there’s nothing new being brought forward other than the inevitable end to the club should you keep to this current path…

You Can Not Seriously believe that the current Action Plan is working, please for the sake of the clubs name and the faith of the fans Stop Now and consider working with Mr. Khan and get this debt cleared now…..don’t wait until October, get it paid and the supporters along with the club with the assistance of Mr. Khan can carry on working to raise funds for the long term survival of Accrington Stanley.

Mr. O’Neil, Mr. Hayes please…we know you believe that your doing the right thing now; but we can see that you’ve not quite got it right….if you don’t change direction it will be too late.

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[Lazarus said: “At the moment the club is somewhat undersold. I know that with some positive involvement we can really develop the name and the brand of Accrington Stanley.”

A series of fund-raising initiatives have been launched with Premier Division Burnley helping to raise £50,000 from gate receipts from a friendly.

Co-chairman David O’Neill said: “Marcelle has a lot of experience in dealing with clubs and footballers at all levels, and will be a valuable addition to our board."]

Now might be a good time to stop being happy and positive and just get some bloody work done. Less about you and more graft just might get us some way to getting out of the ****.

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I agree 1000% Please don't hang on until its to late do something now and save this club. You all knew the debt when you took over and if you can't clear it please don't let pride get in the way and let the club go under.

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Have just got this weeks accy observer ...

Page 6 .... Stanley chiefs have insisted the save our stanley campaign has not stalled, despite the club collecting just over half of its £150,000 target ....

Excuse me i thought it was £308,000 ....

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then in her position, wheres the positive news :confused: that passed on to fans makes them happy n more positive.:rolleyes:

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you have to read between the lines Jen, the article also mentions that The Don had targetted £50k per week .... and we are three weeks into a (hoped for) six week campaign.

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This is an absolute gem from our co-chairperson :

Being a woman in football is difficult as men think we’re ignorant. I’d be lying if I said I know a lot about football .

Surely a prime candidate for the next "Colemanballs"!!!

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How many people read the first couple of lines of an article in the newspaper.. and then skip on to the next ...

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Can you type it out so we far, far away can read it? :)

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Whats it worth doug?



gave me a couple of minutes ... :D

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Oh not again Shil, I've only just recovered from the last time.....:D

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From this weeks accy observer

Stanley chiefs have insisted the save out stanley campaign has not stalled, despite the club collecting just over half of its £150,000 target at this stage.
The SOS was given a flying start with £35,000 raised by a friendly match at turf moor but the total now stands at just over £80,000 in the three weeks since fundraising began - despite owner dave o'neill aiming to raise £50,000 every seven days.

The red have been given until 24 October to clear a tax debt of £308,000 or face the very real threat of a winding up order issued by the tax man. Owner Mr O'Neill has just embarked on a short holiday, while vice chairman Peter Marsden has also been away recently.

But chief executive Rob Heys insists the money raising has not been neglected and there remains the promise of directors finding money out of their own pockets to match the donations of fans.

Last saturday stanley midfielder john mullin was officially presented with the massive cheque by generous neighbours burnley, ahead of the clarets match with sunderland at turf moor.

In the latest venture the stanley supporters club will be selling wrist bands costing £1.50 each at the ground tonight (friday) ahead of the crewe alexandra match - and the club is hoping for another bumper turnout having brought the fixture forward by a day.

Mr Heys said: "There have been a few days over the last week or so when we haved had to concentrate on the day to day running of the club. However that doesnt mean we have neglected the fundraising altogether".

Stanley are also eyeing matches against a blackburn rover XI and an american side from the united soccer league first division at the crown ground.

Mr Heys said fundraising events continue to be organised around the country including a race night in london's porters bar, bucket collections are planned at both ewood park and anfield for premier league matches tomorrow, and then on sunday there will be a fundraising evening arranged by stanley pa announcer dominic walker at rewind in burnley. Gormer 2br sports presenter dominic waker, who presents on rock fm and heat radio will be djing along with rewind resident dj alex o'neill.
Stanley staff and management will be there and party goers will get the chance to win a mascot package at a stanley game and a signed reds shirt. The event starts at 9pm and admission is £2 all of which goes straight to the save our stanley fund. Also tonight there will be disco in the crown pub after the crewe game.

Mr Heys added: "Donations continue to come into the club both through the post and in person, and also via paypal through the save our stanley website. Looking ahead to the next few weeks we have been invited to join local swimming club pioneer 79 for their 30th anniversary dinner at mytton fold at which barry fry will be the guest speaker". The event is pencilled in for 9 october and 20 per cent of the proceeds raised will be donated to the club. Tickets available now from steve makin on 07747 843456 at £30 each.

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I still havent recovered .. :p:p:p

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Cheers Shillelagh; still nothing new then....

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:confused:This bit puzzling me (Quote) But chief executive Rob Heys insists the money raising has not been neglected and there remains the promise of directors finding money out of their own pockets to match the donations of fans. (Unquote) So does this mean if the FANS fund raising raises say £200k the Directors are going to find another £200k out of there own pockets:rolleyes: I find that hard to believe sorry!!!!

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I missed that Mab.... Very confusing, unless he is mixed up between Ilyas's statement to match directors contributions????

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:eek: seems like we're not the only ones getting Confused VALAIRIAN;):D

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Not wrong there Mab :D :)

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Yet another journalistic gaffe. Do they not realise that our joint chairperson, Marcelle, has been at the helm in their absence, hand on the tiller, eyes fixed firmly on the shore, guiding the good ship ASFC to calmer waters? :)

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Sincerly hope she had NO relatives on the titanic.:eek:

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Mark my words, Mr C, Marcelle will turn out to be the heroine of the hour! That girl has hidden depths!

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Beautiful......................:D

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Have you seen her hidden depths?........:p

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Trust you to lower the tone.

Anyway, I thought you were filming tonight?

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Nay lad, my knees are shot........:rolleyes:

I hope your trust in this young lady isn't missed placed Mr. Harris. Anybody seen her of late, in Accrington I mean.

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Dare I ask? Has anyone heard how the “Private” meeting went between Mr. Khan and the ASSF, wasn’t it held yesterday?

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2nd hand information, but I hear Mr Khan wasn't available:eek:

Hopefully he will be at Crown soon?

We need hs input IMHO!!:)

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good on yer Mt T, hope aint just you thinks so.;)

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Cheer’s Mr. T…..Agreed. No doubt a very busy man, I’ve never met him but I’m grateful for his presence to date and hope and pray that he and the club come to terms; lets face it there is enough common ground.

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What many are forgetting Wyn is that 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!!'..(as most of us will have found out over the years!!).

From Boadicea to the dreaded Margaret Thatcher, they have all proved that they are the equal of Man when the chips are down!!...well almost!!.

Therefore, I am so pleased to see that you, unlike some who are risking this lady's wrath!, are brimming over with confidence in the efforts which Ms.Lazarus, with her' happy knack', is making on behalf of the
Salvation of Accrington Stanley !.

Psssst !...Mrs Yonmon is dictating this post to me, so I'll bring it to a close before I'm in real trouble !!...

ps.Alfred.E. comments..'Give a woman a job and she grows balls !'. ...somewhat risque I guess...but a hope for the future at 'The Crown' ???.

'QUO VADIS STANLEY ???'

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I'm sure I read somewhere that she was a mother of six.

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Don't forget we have our Football League payout due at the end of October - around £160k, unless this has been earmarked for other things.

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if that is correct n i have no doubt it is, its the sort of thing the "Club" should be spouting, to help folk understand the "True" position of things.:(

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As I said, maybe it's been earmarked for other things.

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the football league payout is/should be earmarked for the general running of the club over the year and will form a substantial part of the annual budget.

However, that being said, there will be no day to day running if the club was to fold - so that money WILL HAVE TO pay the HMRC. Rightly or wrongly we should be looking to pay this entire amount in one go. I hope they don't try to get away with a lump sum and then bits and pieces because we will be paying more in interest and penalties.

IF WE HAVE NO MONEY LEFT OVER TO PAY DAY TO DAY RUNNING THEN WE WILL HAVE TO SHED STAFF

but I'd rather that than be left with no club. It might be robbing Peter to Paul but in the absence of a sugar daddy, in the absence of a public bail out that will be the only option. So let's not fanny about not paying suppliers etc - do the job the right and honourable way and let's try to regain some element of dignity about this whole thing. If we end up in the Conference or worse then I personally don't give a monkeys. But let's try to be professional

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there will never be dignity until trust n faith is instilled by the leaders, i too want to see a club at the end of all this mess, but i DO give a monkeys about being a league club n its daft to say otherwise.

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You are correct in saying that Mr.T, but never the less there was meaningful conversation between A.S.S.F. and Ilyas :) The one thing that I am absolutely confident about is that, come November there will be a football team in Accrington :) Furthermore I believe that over the coming years there will be a football team representing the FANtastic town of ACCRINGTON...:)

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in what league are ya confident about valairian?:confused:

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Not only will Stanley come through October unscathed, I'm pretty certain they will still be a league club come the end of the season. I cannot see them falling below teams like Macclesfield and Darlington.

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I disagree Rob……..but I still like ya…..

I might not really know what I talking about; I sincerely hope I don’t…But, any gate money, money from the FA and any other related funding for running the club should be used for that sole purpose; there’s no point in paying off the excise man if we then can’t pay our way or our wages. Suppliers are business and business need to be paid promptly if we are to sustain working relationships in the market place.

If the club is goes tits up its over in my view, the events of 1962 will play out a lot harsher in 2009, assets will be sold off, that includes players under contact that have a value, we might even lose the ground. But at the end of the day it won’t be the Accrington Stanley FC that we know and love. That club will be dead.

Even now with at least one CCJ against the club (06 August, this may be paid if it’s not the one for the excise man) credit will be difficult to obtain. The best course of action is to clear our decks; pay our way, preserve our dignity and fight on.

If the club as an ounce of sense and any business acumen it will clear the debt by using the money donated to the SOS fund; put their collective hands in their pockets and by working closely with Mr. Khan and or others willing to be involved. It as already been said else where that the club’s current share value amounts to ****** all, pay this debt off; take Mr. Khan’s offer of assistance and work with the supporters in open and truly transparent manner and we will survive and at least then there will be the opportunity for those investing in the club to claw back their original investment and even a little bit of a dividend.

Just a point regarding taking a drop and playing on in the none league; The whole point of the long road back was to bring pride and dignity back to Accrington and reinstate the name of Accrington Stanley Football Club in its rightful place in the annals of the Foot Ball Leagues. A lot of people have laboured, fought and died to achieve our place in history…..Don’t waist their effort and time by accepting anything less than the ground we now stand….On Stanley On.

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I think that now would be a good time for Mr. Khan to make an appreance and make a public statement to the supporters. :) If the club won't open up to us maybe Mr. Khan's leadership might just boost our efforts and bring us the hope that the club is failing to deliver.

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Everybody seems to be missing the main point here, if we use all the money to pay the taxman, leaving none for wages, then there will be no tax bill next year. Two birds one stone.

By the way has Eric returned, for the day to day stuff, in DON's absence.

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:eek: You never know Mick!! Wouldn't surprise me the least pal;):)

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Suggesting some sort of a sinister conspiracy ??.....some have you know!!

' QUO VADIS STANLEY ???'

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I just can't get my head round why 2 people would take over a club knowing there was debt and have no intention of putting any further money in??? why would anyone do this???. Mr O'Neill has been there years and Marcelle i don't know about but must have know something about the running costs and the over due tax payments. So why the f**k buy a club n put yourself in the public eye for a good slagging off!!!!!!!!!

Please the Don & Marcelle help us understand what the plans are to save this club other than the odd tea party n the odd bucket here n there. :confused:

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I'm not sure he ever left. He's still signing the cheques.

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Agreed, Khan needs to step up and tell us what his long term plans are and whether he's got the fight and the cash to back it up!

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:eek:Now then young fella do you know this as fact or something you've heard ??:confused:

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On authority from a supplier. 2 weeks ago cheque had Erics signature.

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Could be just part of the agreement of sale that Eric pays off the odd supplier or two for goods recieved. If it is true I wouldn't read to much in to it. There's more important issues at hand. :)

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If there are already 2 chairmen/women and one is away, why do they need to bring a temp in :confused:

Now that is a kick in the kanoodle!!! Not happy at all seems the conspiracy theory is clocking up some what :(



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The other one is busy, networking her contacts.

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Don't Recall "Idi Amin" returning to Uganda, why us.:rolleyes:

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Surely, after tonights performance, result, atmosphere, solidarity Etc. The title of this thread is the only thing that matters..... :)

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Anybody have any idea how the S.O.S. Disco went last night?? After that match would hope it was well attended, therefore raising a few bob :theband: :theband: :) :)

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Correct but if Whalley is back it's as they say a whole new ball game:(

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Ian Rush gives backing

Ian Rushes Into Help Accrington - Liverpool News

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Not many there, the usual after the match crowd then quite until about 11pm and the it was packed out for an hour or so.

Good to see the manager and chairman there.

Ended up leaving just before 1am.

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Thanks for that :)

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Sorry, posted in wrong thread.

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Just a possible idea, thinking about Grimsby they managed to get local firms to sponsor games so that entrance fees were subsidised and therefore had a lot bigger crowds. Does anyone think that this could be explored to raise gates for the next two homes games? If not I think that Friday night games will help to increase the fanbase in the long-term.

Also, Darlington did a sponsor a minute advertising which helped them raise circa £6k maybe this could be looked at as well ie so that if you sponsor it and a goal is scored in your minute you win a prize liked a signed shirt, if you charge £10 per minute it is £900 into the pot.

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Of course Red I I wouldn't know for sure ..BUT might it not appear to you also, that He/Them/They/ or Those might just have given this industrious little ladythe "MARCELLE WAVE" ??...GOODBYE !!...

Which is not meant to sound as critical of, or cynical towards our joint-chairperson as some postings from one or two cheeky Clayton-Enders would openly seek to imply!

I am. even as I write, expecting this week a proliferation of Pounds/Euros/Roubles/ and possibly a few Bhutanese Ngultrums arriving to push up the Mercury in the SOS 'Totalometer' ...as a concrete demonstration of her fiscal conquests across the North-west of England!!...which will knock these detractors for six!.

As a confirmed Philogynist, I can only hope that my faith in M.Lazarus has not been misplaced and that she eventually shows us a thing or two!!....

(Alfred.E, says...'A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is a man who hopes they are !').

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:) Well i hope your right yonmon,That Totalmeter only moved by just under £700 (which we thank everyone for) and still no sign of the donations and golden gate money going in the pot :confused: unless its put in under private donations of cause..Im sure the coffers will be swelled by yesterdays bucket collections and other fund raising events:)