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Although it's hard not to agree with what he's saying they should put a media gag on JB.

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WOW
I cant believe anyone could come to that conclusion.

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I'm only thinking aloud, so please don't attack me!

So what started this mad thinking? Well, I've become increasingly concerned by the failure to update the SOS total. There might be a perfectly good reason for it, but on the other hand ......

Now let's divert to the debt to HMRC. The statements emanating from the club remain vague - and maybe they have to be. But there seems to be a sort of consensus that the SOS Fund will reach £150,000; the powers-that-be (all/some) will put in £100,000 and the remainder will be borrowed as a short-term loan.

I still have serious worries here. Will the SOS Fund actually reach £150,000? Will the powers-that-be need to put in more than £100,000? And let's not forget that we have been told that at least one of them had no more money to put in. So, in my mind, it's starting to look as though we may have to borrow more than £58,000. A short-term loan is exactly that - so it has to be paid back relatively quickly. Where will we find £58,000 (in my thinking, considerably more) to pay back quickly?

Well, has Jimmy Bell given us the answer? Is this the scenario? We borrow maybe up to £100,000 to ensure that HMRC is paid and the borrowed money is repaid after the sale of players in January.

So that's my present thinking.

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Assuming the HMRC debt is paid using SOS funds+ funds input by directors + short term loan, to pay off whole debt, the payments back will probably come from the share issue which if all 1,000 shares are purchased, which is a distinct possibility - then that will attract £250,000 in money which could be used to repay short term loan and leave money in the club. Just my thought, I could be wrong.

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Rob Heys on the wireless tonight:

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | A | Accrington | Heys looks to a bright future

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glass half full, glass half empty?

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It sounds to me that stanley are using debts/loans to pay off the HMRC. If we don't pay these will we go into admin and get a 10 point deduction knowing we are most likely to be safe.

Just a thought:o

Maybe. But it wont happen this season. They wont do it to there own they need a fall guy/investor/bank to take the hit.

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You say DON didn't know what he was getting into when he took over the club. Is that astute management? Is that the kind of management you would like to see take the club forward?

There's only one way forward, that's a supporters trust. It may mean relegation this year, but when the fans own the club - by the way Barcelona are owned by a supporters trust - there are possibilities for progression. Under the current regime, I fear the worst.

By the way, I don't think I've ever met DON, it's not a personal thing, but I don't have, from what I've seen so far, a great deal of confidence in him.

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DON has publicly said all along that he knew what he was getting into and that he knew the extent of the Club's debt. He has also said, all along, that Stanley would not go under and that he would sort it all out. He has now, more or less, got us out of this mess with the taxman. Why are people still calling him, are they disappointed that he has managed it one way or another, did they want Stanley to fold so that they could crucify DON ? Whalley got us into this mess and DON is getting us out of it. Why call DON all the names and doubt his integrity, BLAME IT ON WHALLEY, he is the one who has jumped ship. He is keeping very quiet about all this and nobody seems to be connecting him with the debt, just blaming DON. It's about time people realised that it's Whalley's fault and started a campaign against him and not against DON who seems to be trying to put right all Whalley's mistakes. Whalley is the one who has told us lies for ages. Support DON and support Stanley.

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I would but apparently I'm not a true supporter

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Who has accused you of that?

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What's the point of starting a campaign against EW ? What's that all about ? Everybody will have their opinion already on where the fault lies for the tax debacle but what would a campaign against EW achieve ?? This would just be another vehicle for the moaners to indulge themselves. I say,'Can I have my ball back ?'. IF the crisis at the club is truly over then it's time to get back to the footy. The team's showing good form at the mo and if they continue, then by Jan, instead of looking at the foot of the league we could be looking upwards for a change. If people need to put their energies into a campaign then get behind the Supporter's Trust idea. At least that way there's something positive to aim for.:)

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A lot of people seem to be putting all their energies into a campaign against DON, all I am saying is lay off DON and (if they need a campaign) then direct it against the person who is to blame for this mess WHALLEY. I am not asking for anybody to START a campaign but just to lay the blame where it should be.:)

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The spectre of EW is relevant both to Stanley's current (and on-going) situation and to those who have yet to make up their minds about unconditionally putting in more financial support. Can anyone confirm categorically that EW no longer has any interest or control in the club?

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Me neither, nor Jeff :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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It's about time people realised that it's Whalley's fault and started a campaign against him and not against DON who seems to be trying to put right all Whalley's mistakes. Whalley is the one who has told us lies for ages

Am I reading this wrong then, Jeff ?

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that was when the tide turned for me personally

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I’m at a loss…..explain please…

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See above post Doug, programme notes......

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I still don't see it....I wouldn't have thought that was aimed at any one individually.

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To me it was more a shot across the collective bow of the approach that was exceptionally conditional on people giving up what is their right to own and manage the club; (previous posts and pm’s explaining this accepted)

I don’t want to have another argument or a slapping down; you people did as much if not more than most and I have the utmost respect for the action you guy’s took, you all played a valid role in saving the club.

It’s time to nail our colours up, not each other, not the club.

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Doug it was clearly aimed at members of ASSF which include Rob.

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read the whole sentence

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the only campaign we should have now is to support Stanley & never let this happen again

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Spot on WM and the safe and sensible way to do that is a Supportes Trust, must be the next thing on the agenda, after this mess is sorted... :)

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I have, several times. It still says 'it's about time people realised that it's whalley's fault and STARTED a campaign against him.'
Your first reply said that you were not trying to start a campaign against EW and yet there it is.

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I agree, so give DON a chance and let him get on with it.

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Absolutely; be ready for when danger threatens or Mr. O’Neil wants to sell. The beauty of a Supporters Trust is anybody can be involved including the club without anyone being sacrificed or feeling left out.

Is no body going to ask when we get to celebrate this historic event, we “Stanley” fought the Excise Man and won….Surly a reason to be cheerful.

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I agree too......Its a new Dawn....:)

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SU will be fully behind a trust

Good stuff

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A huge banner

TAX MAN 0 STANLEY FANS 1

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Who said this to you Doug??? :)

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Nice banner WM, especially the fans bit........ :) :) Or

Taxman 0 Stanley Fans 308.... :D

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Beautiful..........:)

On Stanley On

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Not telling you…..:p:)

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I could go along with that if HMRC was claiming something which was not due to them, but that is not correct.

Surely, it has never been a contest between HMRC and the club. HMRC was simply doing its duty in trying to obtain the money owed to it. It surely cannot allow any business, even a football club which is so close to our hearts, to continue and build up an ever-increasing debt.

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there both as bad as each other.

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I'm no great fan of EW and some will say his methods were madness but nobody seemed that concerned when we were on the up. I suspect it will be the same with O'Neill. He could have handled the SOS appeal a lot better but once the tax issue is behind us and the team continues to do well then there'll be few dissenters. Fickle lot us footy fans. Long term though, I still think a Supporters Trust is the way to go

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Please, please can somebody update the total :bangh8: :bangh8:

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Perhaps that's because for years Eric told the fans that the club had no debt. Grievances certainly surfaced regularly about his ways in business, but I'd agree with you that they were often ignored because of the club's success.

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I'll 2nd that, can you not have a guess Julie, I'm sick of seeing £88,911.96 :D

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Maybe we could have a variation thread of guess the gate, 'Guess the fund total. Winner keeps all ( less tax ) :D

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ooops just realised by the time you take the tax out it leaves ermmmm............. nowt :D

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:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm

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Although I notice that on the S.O.S. side of things, events/fixtures Etc. have been updated, at least somebody is doing their job :rolleyes: :)

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now gonna play the lottery every week till i win it,so then i can give accy enough money for a training ground,team bus,new stuff for the bar.

then i could move up there for life and keep investing in the club.

its been a while since i have been to a place where every1 is so nice,cant wait 2 get back up there next week for the walk,its gonna be a great day out.

the mighty accy ultras will never die.:D:D

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Please , Please, Please update the total,or we will think that something untowards is occurring.

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It is OK, Helen Chamberlain has just said on Soccer A.M. Stanley have succesfully raised the £300+K and will survive!!!! :) :)

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Don't tell me she got that from Marcella de la Fone......:rolleyes:

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Not too sure really, when I spoke to The DON about it yesterday, he said "I wish I knew where she got that story from? I do not know anything about it!!" So read into that what you will, but it will be OK tomorrow when the total is updated, as then we will all know :rolleyes: :confused: :) :)

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Like you Doug, I ,just like the old Ani deFranco song keep on......

Wishin', and hopin', and thinkin', and prayin',
Thinkin' and dreamin' each night is the night..
Wishin' , and Hopin' and thinkin' and prayin'
That someone at' t'Stanley might for once get it RIGHT !!.( A paraphrase!!).

BUT..The Fishy Site is DEAD...The 'Fundometer' is STATIC !...and all communications have, apparently, ceased forthwith!!..

What is going on ????????..

'ON STANLEY !!...ON!!....TO GREATER THINGS !!'

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Well, as Rob Heys said in last Friday's Observer:

We know the clock is ticking and it’s less than two weeks until our court date so we need to do something quickly to show that Accrington Stanley will survive and has a bright future.

We knew it would be late when we got the money together but we don’t want it to get too late. We don’t want to be days away so we want the plans in place quickly and to annouce them so everyone knows where we are at.

...so, can we confidently expect a major announcement tomorrow?

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still no update crap

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Evening all

Had an update from the club today, :)

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still £200k short

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108.961.70

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:eek: So we're still £41,038,30p Short of the £150k required by the club from all fund raising events as of yet topay the Taxman.how many more events moneies are their to add to the total:)

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Source Organiser Date Total
Paypal Total Club £6,879.54
SMS & Phoneline Club £621.00
Private Donations Club £23,249.24
Fans Forum Club 04/09/09 £163.55
Bucket Donations(Accrington) Stanley Ultras 05/09/09 £1,400.00
Bucket Collection(Bury FC) Stanley Ultras 05/09/09 £2,100.00
Bucket Collection(Burnley Town Centre) Stanley Ultras 08/09/09 £23.17
SOS Cup Burnley v ASFC 08/09/09 £35,853.39
Darlington CCL Match - Gate Receipts Only Club 11/09/09 £14,184.07
Darlington Match - Golden Gate(Main) Club 11/09/09 £1,035.00
Darlington Match - Golden Gate(Clayton) Club 11/09/09 £2,895.00
Sponsored walk Phil Carter 25/09/09 £700.00
Bucket Collections(Ewood Park & Anfield) Club/Stanley Ultras 26/09/09 £6,644.00
Koko's Race Night KoKo's 09/10/09 £360.00
ASFC v Blackburn Rovers Club 13/10/09 £12,281.80
ASFC v Austin Aztexs Club 15/10/09 £571.94
Total £108,961.70

Some nice figures in there, over 4K in Golden Gate donations/takings :) Plus the Ultras bucket collections have another £300 in them??? :) Down to less than £200K now :) :) :)

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: Sponsored Walk is last event before the deadline

other events after the deadline
SOS Football Match, Halloween Event and ASFC Centre of Excellence Race Night

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Car boot sale, darts night, sportsman dinner - last Friday, global event at a minimum still to be added :) :) Still no sign of Darlo wages and Crewe 50/50 draw...... :rolleyes:

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where on earth r we gonna get 40k from,i would sell my car and everything i own 2 keep the club going,lets just hope the walk will make a lottery load of cash.

the club need 2 think about making money this week,hope shrewsbury bring enough 2 add a bit.

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as far as i am aware its the 28th the court hearing?but there will have to be time allowed for funds to clear but its hard to think that the other events yet to be added to the total will get the appeal total to £150,000 but we have to keep faith and pray!!

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not the car............how would you get to the games :)

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As we are entering the final stages, PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE can we get regular updates from the club :rolleyes: :)

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Sponsored Walk :)

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I don't know about everyone else, but I won't be getting my hands on the bulk of my Sponsored Walk money until the 26th, at the earliest! Or am I supposed to cough up myself on Saturday and chase 'em up afterwards:(

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The club are taking up the offer of a short term loan from a local businessman, this loan is in advance of monies raised on or after the deadline. :) :) :)

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i would run all the way 2 accy 2 watch the games,i may pass out a couple of times on the way,but with a crate a beer and loads of pro plus,i might just make it.lmao..

i am gonna go 2 the grimsby game aswell next week,i will book the day off 2morrow at work....

just need 2 know if i can pay on the gate.:)

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Surely that's the £50K that the club was talking about as part of the rescue plan? That's supposed to be added to £100K in directors' contributions plus whatever's in the SOS fund. As it stands, we're still around £49K short. :eek:

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how much is the load thought i may be wrong but wasnt it for £50,000 only?

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I am sure that Rob said on tele and radio, that the S.O.S. would raise £150K - he thought - £100K from the directors/management and a short term loan of aprox £50K :) JOB DONE! :) :)

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Yes, but he's wrong, it hasn't so far and, with the best will in the world, I can't see the remaining events before the deadline pushing it up to £150K. There's also the little matter of the odd £8K which everyone seems to have forgotten about...apart from the taxman!

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They may well have done , if they had updated the ticker daily !!! No one is contributing cause no one is getting any info as to whats happening . http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...cons/icon8.gif

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According to the club, that loan was going to be for £58k on the assumption that the SOS Fund reached £150k. As others have said, how is it going to reach that total in the next week? I wonder if Rob would care to specify how he sees the SOS Fund reaching £150k. Even adding such items as Darlo wages etc, it will be a miracle if it reaches £120k.

We assume that the directors will put in their £100k. So that would seem to assume that the generous businessman is going to increase his loan to £88k. What events are being arranged that can raise £88k (or even £58k) in the "short term"?

I, for one, am still VERY worried.

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think we should call 999 for help or sorry 666

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Whichever way you look at it, it's obvious that there's a large black hole in the club's financial plans to pay the taxman in nine day's time.

The club need to tell us EXACTLY how this black hole is going to be filled and they need to tell us NOW. No more flannel and halfbaked pipedreams about buying the ground and other such fripperies...tell us what you're going to do. We've supported you, we've put our money in, we've made sacrifices, we have a right to know!!

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i think we will be waiting untill the 11th hour

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Do you think it is worth donating for " THAT FINAL " push ???

i will do all i can afford

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well ill still be throwing summat in the bucket at the crown

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:) May be the clubs going to use the £20k loaned to the club in the summer and the £25k Mr Khan donated to the club which was said to be still in the bank in which case thats £153/4k:)

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they can tell use all at the games 2 more . ill still give what i can to help

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too much like robbing peter to pay paul

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if we still hav it could get lost like the time to pay thetaxs bills in the 1st place i love ew for this ****

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It’s not over yet; there is still time for donations as well as fundraising efforts. There is also the FA money, is that not due this month. Surely if push come to shove £50k of that would give a short breathing space if only enough of one until the share issue starts to generate income, and there’s always a chance that someone from the local business community might tip in at the final stage of proceedings. What ever happens I don’t think the club would let the whole thing collapse over a £50k shortfall.

What’s needed now is a long term outlook, how are we going to help the club generate income to help move Accrington Stanley on and away from this situation. Let’s be positive and not be overshadowed by this…..

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As we both read in last week's Accrington Observer Wyn !....

"We need to do something quickly to show that Accrington Stanley will survive and has a bright future."....Rob Heys.

This statement appears to have taken on an even greater 'Sword of Damocles' sense of dread and impending doom even more than it did earlier in the day !!.....so is 'TREPIDATION' going to be the buzz word from now on ??.

It seems to me that 'QUICKLY' in Rob's statement should now read ...
At speed !, or briskly !, or expeditiously !,or flat out !, or full tilt !,or immediately !, or in a hurry !, or in a rush !, or in haste !, or even lickety-split !, certainly like a shot !, not forgetting posthaste !, or precipitately !, or promptly !, certainly speedily, swiftly, and with dispatch !!! (Pause for breath!)...or RIGHT NOW !!...

Yes.....TREPIDATION RULES....OK ??'

'ON STANLEY!!..ON!!...TO EVEN GREATER THINGS!!'.

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In all honesty i'll be suprised if the club sustains a result of the taxman and looking more likely that maybe the case imho.

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No i disagree!! It was said at the time that this money was sat in the bank and if the two who loaned the money to the club wanted it back it was there to be given back,unless its been used for day to day running of the club.. and lets not forget the Share issue WM said that neally 50 supporters would soon be proud owners and may be even more by now that could be an extra 12 t 15k to raise the fundmeter

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To add a suggestion for fund raising idea of photo taken with the world cup medal 66 which david cocker offered as way to help, tho the annoying thing is the club give air of feeling its not as needed assumption we're clear when on paper we ain't - which is it?

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From what I can gather I don't think the club is held in high esteem by a lot of local businesses :rolleyes:

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Well, Doug, from what was reported a couple of weeks ago, I think we know that two of the directors would. Surely the shortfall must be bigger than £50k. All of the club's statements have quoted a loan of £58k - and that assumed the SOS Fund would reach £150k

But we ARE overshadowed by this. It cannot be otherwise - we have one week to ensure that the tax bill is paid. I would love to have a long-term outlook. But I find it difficult to see beyond this week. And assuming we do survive this week, we cannot "generate income to move Accrington Stanley on and away from this situation". The situation will live on until the 'short-term' loan is repaid.

By the way, does anyone know how the sale of 'shares' is going?

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wouldn't have thought there'd be any sales unless there's a club left to sell 'em for

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Maybe the 'Borough Fathers' at The Town Hall are going to have a last minute 'whip-round' Dave ?....or is their esteem of the limited variety as well...

My tongue is firmly in my cheek as I voice this thought !


'ON !...STANLEY !!...ON!!...TO EVEN GREATER THINGS!!!'

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I think at the end of the day the club is bigger than Mr. O’Neil and the Board, unfortunately they own it. So unless people want to take the same attitude as those alleged to be taken by the two Directors (who remain innocent until proven Guilty) then we have two or three options. Just say **** it and let it roll over and die, trust in the Club (they have more to lose than the rest of us) or have faith and believe that this will pass into history and aim for higher things.

I believe this will pass into history; I believe that we all need to be positive and trust that this matter will be resolved and that we the supporters and the club can agree common ground for the future. Lets talk Stanley Up, lets have faith that they won’t let us down and lets hope that just maybe there is someone out there big enough to step up the plate and be counted.