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When it comes to economics these guys are experts. Not only did they benefit, and are still benefiting from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (the total cost of this to the US taxpayer is over $16 TRILLION :eek:, they also made money during the '08 crisis by selling short on the Fubar they had created.:rolleyes: Goldman Sachs were fined for this ... a mickey mouse fine considering what they made, and, of course nobody went to jail.:mad: Obviously they think that they will benefit from an "In" vote. This alone should be enough to make folks lean towards "Out."

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and it does Eric..it certainly does.
the more I read about the EU and its underhand(could say fraudulent) ways, the less I like it and I never thought much of it at the outset.
I can think of not one single reason why we should not cut loose.

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Another pearl of wisdom handed down from the EU ....... and they can't understand why true Brits want out & away from the circus, incredulous!

EU Court Rules Illegal Migrants Cannot Be Jailed

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So, if I commit a couple of crimes such as shoplifting, arson or murder for example, you know, nothing serious, does this mean that if I use my bus pass and board the X41 for Manchester and claim this was a stopping off point whilst on my way to migrate to Brussels they wouldn't be able to touch me?
:confused:
Or am I of the wrong shade (none PC to say colour), Nationality, religion, sex, sexual orientation and am a threat to the Nation because I WILL vote exit?





:hidewall:

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Less you would be done for...well unless you are fluent in albanian and have only one leg...then you would get a nice house and a stipend from the government.
You couldn't make it up.
Then there is Sarah Woolaston....... a right turncoat she is. it makes me wonder if she has been got at...you know promised a nice lucrative career in government...and perhaps a seat on the EU gravy train.(for very little effort)
Everyone who knows her says 'no this is rubbish', she has no ambition to be in government(either that or someone has rattled a few skeletons)...but I say that everyone can be bought and everyone has a price.
My price is for us to leave the EU.

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Woollaston only has one vote, like the rest of us.
Whatever the reason for her sudden change of view, she isn't the first and won't be the last doctor to draw the wrong diagnosis from evidence of a patient's symptoms.
Of course, when that happens, it's the patient, not the misinformed doctor, that suffers.

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I was watching those two ex prime ministers on TV earlier today.
The lily livered John Major and the so called Peace Envoy Tony Blair.......they were giving their views as to why we should remain in the EU.
They both spoke authoritively and with some passion. let's not forget Tony Blair is a bigger liar than Tom Pepper(remember those weapons of mass destruction......and the promise to President Bush some two years before the unnecessary conflict in Iraq.
As for the morally bankrupt John Major(responsible for us being ejected from the Exchange Rate Mechanism..and a very strong supporter of the EU...Maastricht treaty comes to mind)...who had an affair with Edwina Currie.....I ask myself why should we believe the tripe that either of these has beens spout?

I am forced to conclude their is no reason at all...they live lives which are cosseted and as far removed from ours as it is possible to get.
Don't be bamboozled. Vote Leave!

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Yes Sarah Woolaston only has one vote, but her defection to the Remain side of the argument may cast doubt on those who are telling us that the only way is OUT.

I think none of us are under the illusion the 350 million quid will be avaiable to be spent on the NHS.......even if it was only £200 extra that the EU mandarins did not get a sniff of...I would go for it.
Our remaining in the Eu is only going to cost us more money in the long run.Despite being the 2nd largest contributor we have little influence on what happens, as the woeful negotiaitions have proved.

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Exactly my thoughts Margaret. Notice that she didn't say anything about the extra demands placed upon the NHS, schools and housing by the influx of immigrants.

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Seems similar to our own M.P. he wants to get somewhere within the labour party even if it means going against his real wishes.

Oh for the days he used to post on here and mean what he said.

Could it ever happen again?

Or will he always be a backbencher because he can't follow his own beliefs?

I bet he won't reply he hasn't the backbone to stand for what his constituents think, nor could he give a decent explanation for why he is such a political whimp!

To think, I actually voted for him, I hang my head in shame.

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Yes, I think there were more of us who did the same. You could call it a triumph of hope over experience....but you and I have lived long enough to know that experience is what we pay for our life with.
I won't be making THAT mistake again.

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An interesting read and quite possibly what we can expect if we Remain.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/uk-op...63033440477158

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I saw this in the paper.
So now these economic migrants have no roof over their head.
Something else for them to protest about.
Send them back to where they came from and let us see if their lives are better there.

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When the German army entered France In the early years of the last war the press at the time came out with tales of Nuns being crucified on church doors, this was later proved to be propaganda.The press love a good story but do not let facts get in the way of truth.

How do we know that this is not something of the same, it is o/k for all of us sitting in front of a computer terminal and being able to sleep comfortably and without fear in our beds but how would we feel if we ourselves were the youngsters that are being held in those camps.

What winds me up more than anything, is seeing the women and children suffering whilst the menfolk are still allowed to sport working testicles by the will of Allah.

Sorry, my comments may not be politically correct but they are genuine.

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It may be propaganda...it may not.
Taddy, many of the people in these camps are unaccompanied men.
Women and children(from news footage) seem to be in a minority.

Many of these in camps are not refugees or they would have sought sanctuary in the first country where they made landfall which was not hostile.......this would not be Germany or any of the northern european countries.
These are economic migrants who are trying to circumvent migration systems and laws.
Angela Merkel did herself and her people no favours at all when she invited them into her country.

There are criminals making money out of these people who want to be in Europe......they should be sought out and stopped. They should be apprehended at see, escorted back to the port of departure and put ashore, then their boats should be holed and sent to the bottom of the sea.
Not a politically correct comment...but like yours, it is what I genuinely feel.

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Forget about the press ... you have to have an opinion of your own. Go with it. And even tho' the press loves a good story, in WW2 the deaths of six million jews, two or three million Russian POWs, assorted gays, and the ... er, let's be PC and call them "differently abled" ... didn't seem newsworthy enough.:rolleyes: Crucified nuns sells more papers. Whatever. The press hasn't changed in the past seventy years.

"[B]eing able to sleep comfortably and without fear in our beds" reminds me of this: "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Just an aside.;) Support our troops/Appuyons nos troupes.:alright:

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As an aside, why do these Muslim men want to come to the west?
They openly despise western values, freedom of speech, freedom of expression.they purport to be of a peaceful religion, yet we cannot trust their motives for being here.
Men who are without women and children (forgive me Eric)are savages and will resort to tribal behaviour.

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Believe, or disbelieve what you will, that is your inalienable right. However, there would need to be a very complex conspiracy by a large section of the European media - not much of which is being shared by the UK media (I wonder why), but there can be no doubt of what happened in Germany recently - physical and sexual assaults on women, burning down of the refugee centres, a sharp rise in criminal activity, are you suggesting that these incidents are nothing more than propaganda by foreign media?

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And if it IS propaganda it will not do much to persuade those who haven't yet made up their minds about how to vote in the EU referendum, to stay in the EU.
I think if it were propaganda then Germany is shooting itself in the foot.

I don't think these kind of problems are being magnified by the press.....in fact I think it is probably the reverse......the enormity of the situation may be being played down so as not to alarm the natives.

That is a kind of propaganda too.

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There's plenty going on in "The Fatherland", but "Mutti Merkel" & her cronies are trying their damnedest to keep it under wraps so as not to further rile the natives!

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Isn't that propaganda? The suppression of information I mean.
Shouldn't there be transparency?
Oh no.
Silly me Germany is in the EU......one of the least transparent organisations in the world. Where policies are made by a committee of mandarins....unelected bureaucrats......no minutes taken at any of the meetings where laws and policies are made by these faceless overpaid men.

So it should be no surprise that news is suppressed.
They think that what we don't know won't harm them!
And what we DO know won't harm them either because they CANNOT be removed.

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Not only in it Ma, but practically running it! (To their benefit to be sure)

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Yes Son, which makes it all the more despicable.

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Something more to lighten the thread:-
A pretty little girl named Suzy was sitting on the pavement in front of her home. Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures and in her hand was a sign announcing "FREE KITTENS".

Suddenly a line of big cars pulled up beside her.

Out of the lead car stepped a grinning man. "Hi there little girl, I'm the leader of the Conservative Party and the Prime Minister, David Cameron. What do you have in the basket?" he asked.

"Kittens," little Suzy said. "How old are they?" asked Mr Cameron.

Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet."

"And what kind of kittens are they?"

"They're REMAIN IN EU SUPPORTERS," answered Suzy with a sweet smile. Mr Cameron was delighted, a golden opportunity beckoned. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his Google Page Ranking chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens.

Recognizing the perfect photo opportunity, the three of them agreed that they should return the next day and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens.

So the next day, Suzy was again on the pavement with her basket of"FREE KITTENS," when Cameron's motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from BBC, ITV, Channels 4, Channels 5,CNN and Sky News, cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Cameron got out of his limo and walked over to little Suzy.

"Hello, again," he said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away."

"Yes sir," Suzy said. "They're BREXIT supporters."

Taken by surprise, David Cameron stammered,

"But...but...yesterday, you told me they were REMAIN IN EU SUPPORTERS." Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know. But today, they have their eyes open.

Provided by a friend

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Still undecided....

I just don't want to agree with that Blond Buffoon from darn sarf.... xD

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Whilst i agree with yer description of him, hes a damn site more right on this issue than MOST labour MPS FACT.

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If you vote to stay then that will make you feel better that you have gone against Boris will it?
You want to believe what the likes of Tony Blair and John Major tell you?

This is NOT some petty point scoring exercise, it is about whether we ever get the chance to determine our own future.......and even if we vote to Leave....leaving is not guaranteed as Parliament may over-rule the electorate(I would not like to say what would happen in those circumstances).

If you vote to stay you are voting to be ruled by bureaucrats in Brussels that you can NEVER remove. The laws are made by committees...with no thoughts of those that the laws will effect.
The only thing that those in Brussels want us for is our contribution.......they treat us with contempt over everything else and they have openly said that whatever happens we will pay for being the upstarts.
They want compliant little countries who do as they are told, cough up the money, don't ask questions - we are NOT that nation.

Remember the EU is there to serve that elite 1%...the big corporations, the banks the people with money.

Our influence in determining policy is 9%, yet we are the third biggest contributor to the EU.

Ask yourself .....if the EU were a business would you buy shares in it?
if your answer is NO then there you have the answer to whether to stay in the EU or not.

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Be honest folks we are all frightened by the what ifs, what if we stay and are still expected to contribute a large amount with no real say about where it should be spent.
What if we come out and the powers within the EU create a trading embargo against us?
What if we stay and some miracle makes our garden rosey?
What if we come out and this creates WW3?
None of these questions have answers until we live with the consequences of voting.
So far we have had nothing but negative thrown at us by the EU, you dare to come out and we will make your life hell.
Surely if the EU was even slightly worth considering staying with they wouldn't threaten, they would be convincing us by explaining how much of an advantage we would be in carrying Europe and therefore the rest of the world forward to a prosperous future.

I haven't read much about that being the case anywhere, please vote leave save one nation from this tyranny, make it OURS.

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Less...Nigel Farage has said he hasn't got a clue how leaving the EU will affect the UK.
That is honesty.
All the other politicians had made guesses, the businesses have made guesses, the bank of England has made guesses.......and we have to remember that in the past many of these so called Experts have been wide of the mark.

What leaving the EU WILL do, is give us the right to determine in what direction we want to go.
It will allow us to police our borders...it will allow us to determine where the subs to the expensive club that is the EU, can better be spent.
It will mean that we won't be told that we can only have low powered vacuum cleaners, or hair dryers(and I know that sounds very petty...but these are the kind of things which the EU concerns itself with...rather than dealing with the huge problems of budgets and refugee/migrants).

And yes, you are right Less. If the members of the EU REALLY wanted us to stay, then they would be doing more on the positive front to make this possible(likely even)....that they aren't says much about the anti democrastic regime...it isn't democracy when you don't have a say...it is a dictatorship.

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If Leave does happen to win, which i sincerly hope, we have more to fear from Cameron @ Osborne, than these creeps oer in Brussels in my view.;)

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I think you might be right there Cashy...the skulduggery of these two knows no bounds.
Heck they even rewarded the reaminers with gongs in the Queen's 90th birthday honours list.......makes it all very tawdry.

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Appearances can be deceptive, you may think the man a buffoon, but I'm pretty sure behind the façade there's a pretty savvy operator lurking in the shadows. Keep a close eye on the guy & see what happens.

Just my ruminations mind. ;)

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Not so sure if I have managed to copy & paste this link correctly.....
Hope so, 'cos it's worth a read, whatever way you plan to vote, hope it is food for thought

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Obviously not, don't know how to c&p something from my inbox to forum, any advice appreciated

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I haven't ever done that so I can't give any advice.
I have just googled the name and the EU and come up with nothing of any interest.

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DONE IT !!
If at first you don't succeed......p

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date: 12 June 2016 at 20:41:08 BST

Subject: what you believe in
Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>

INTERESTING FROM NIGEL FARAGE


Whether you are Remain or Brexit this is a great speech.







You must read this


Irrespective of whether you like the man or not this is brilliant.

Why are those in power worried about this man and his party...?


Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP


Nigel Farage for Prime Minister.


This is what he said:


"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare.
I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man.
I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.


I believe in God and the freedom of religion,
But I don't push it on others.


I believe in British products
And buy them whenever I can.


I believe the money I make belongs to me
And not to some governmental functionary,
To share with others who don't work!


I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist;
It makes you a smart Brit.


I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,
And does not entitle you to anything.
Get over it.
Join in with the majority!


I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac,
You should do it in English.
I believe there should be no other language option.


I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God
When and where they want to.


My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff
And Winston Churchill
And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!


I don't hate the rich.
What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper
taxes.
I don't pity the poor,
I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done
by!!


I know wrestling is fake
And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.


I believe if you don't like the way things are here,
Go back to where you came from
And change your own country!


This is ENGLAND .....
We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was
So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!


If you were born or legally migrated here
And don't like it... You are free to move
To any Socialist country that will have you.
I believe it is time to really clean house,
Starting with the House of Commons,
The seat of our biggest problems.


I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from,
And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution?
Can I get an AMEN on that one?


I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're
breaking the law,
Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence.
I think it's good....


I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to
their cause.
Get a job and support yourself and your family!


I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!


I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown
Anywhere in the United Kingdom !


If this makes me a BAD Brit,
Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit.
If you are a BAD Brit too,
Please forward this to everyone you know....


We want our country back! My Country.....


I hope this offends all illegal aliens.


My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer
War.
My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2.
I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm.
Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends
Died in Afghanistan and Iraq .
None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag.
Every Briton died for the British flag.


At one high school,
Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole.
British students took it down.
Guess who was expelled.
The students who took it down .


West London high school students were sent home,
Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.


What is going on??
What idiots do we have in authority??
Enough is enough.


This message needs to be viewed by every Brit;
And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain .
We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough.
I'm taking a stand.


I'm standing up because of the millions
Who died fighting in wars for this country,
And for the British flag.


And shame on anyone who tries to
Make this a racist message.
IT IS NOT !


Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !


THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !


This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !


YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY,
Welcome to come legally:


1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !


If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone,
then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !


We've gone so far the other way.
bent over backwards not to offend anyone.


WAKE UP BRITAIN ! ! !


If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !


Made in BRITAIN & DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!!"


AMEN"


Nigel Farage
UKIP

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Hope you find next post of interest,Margaret!!

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Of course, I cannot be certain that these words are indeed from the mouth of Mr Farage, and I do not claim to support everything he may say, but, whether his words or not, I feel the sentiments are worthy of the widest audience possible.
Surely, agreeing does not make us 'racist'?

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There is no guarantee that BJ will be elected as PM after DC resigns, or is pushed.

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Highlight the section you want to copy, right click, select copy. Go to your forum thread, cursor in position where you want the copy to be placed, right click and then select paste.

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Thank you for that. It says everything I have been saying on here and out in the big wide world for a damn long time.
I am not sure it comes from Nigel Farage....though he may have used it.
I have a strong feeling that I saw this in Oz a good decade ago.....but it is relevant and bears repeating for those who have not seen it.

I would hate the rest of the world to think that we Brits can be bowed down by the dictators in Brussels......I would hate them to think that we are lily livered conformists because we do not dare to assert our sovereignty and individuality.

I have seen nor heard any argument, or discussion which makes me want to be any part of the EU.

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Thanks, Barrie,

I know I got there in the end, wasn't quite sure how!
If I had bothered going on to PC, instead of this damned phone, might have got ther quicker!
Cheers
Gerard

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Hi Margaret,

Got to say, on first reading this, I thought it needed sharing.

However, on re-reading for 5th time, I began to doubt the authenticity, however, the sentiments still ring true.. you may be right in thinking you have heard it before... substitute 'Britain' or 'England' for any other country under threat of losing its core values, and you could be talking about almost any country in the 'civilised' world!(Oz included!)

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There are certain phrases in the passage which are not particularly English.....they could be American or they could be Australian.....a bit like Barack Obama saying that Britain would 'go to the back of the line' for trade if we left the EU.
We would be much more likely to say back of the queue.
We do not much use the word 'cops'....and to get into Oz you have to have money, a job or a sponsor.

That said, it doesn't matter where it comes from, or whether it was 'borrowed'....It is relevant to the current situation.

Now the latest 'breaking' news is that Goerge Osborne is planning a 'punishment' budget if we vote leave. He reckons that taxes must go up, benefits must come down and spending needs to be cut to fill the black hole that will need filling if we leave the EU.
I have news for him......there will be the vast sums that we no longer commit to the EU coffers......and if there is still a shortfall, then let him cancel the ridiculously expensive HS2 project......and maybe cut the expenses of those in the House of Lords.
Maybe MP's could also take a pay cut too. That way, we really will 'all be in it together'

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Osborne will have to go suck eggs,57 of his MPs will not allow his budget through, says on the news,I have always been of the mind this vote will never be won by the "Leavers", now i aint so sure, all that camp have done is try to frighten people NOT convince, All labour have done is ignore its voters, that to me is a toxic mix, the Brits will only take so much in my view.

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We should definitely cut Overseas Aid no matter what.

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Yes, Barrie.....that would be another good cost saving exercise.

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They cant do that, it wouldn't frighten people.:rolleyes:

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it would also be a cost saving exercise to get rid of the department that doles out this money to countries who either do not need it because they have their own space program(india)...or those with despotic rulers who cream off the money for their own use.

Charity begins at home. Let's look after our own needy and homeless before we start trying to look after the worlds needy and homeless.

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And there is some interest from over here ... there's lots of us looking at Europe these days. The Euros are very popular now that the NHL season is over: Sidney Crosby's Penguins won, by the way. There are large English, Irish, Italian, and Portuguese communities in Kingston. However, before I wander too far ...

Why the spectre of Brexit leaves European Union leaders frozen in fear: Don Murray - World - CBC News

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The final part of that:-

Almost the opposite of the kid with the ball, 'it's my ball I'm taking it home'

To 'don't throw my ball back at me, my gangs bigger than your gang we'll get you at playtime'.

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I liked the comment from a reader. ' The EU must reform or perish'

I think it will perish as it has absolutely no intention of reforming..and that is because it isn't for the people...it is for the ELITE.
That 1% who have the money and influence and think that we should shut up and carry on working, paying our taxes(mustn't ask where they go),not think, not reason...and definitely not question those in power.
We, the present day serfs, should not be allowed to have a say in our destiny...or at least that is the impression I get.

Not nearly good enough is it?

Did you know that MEP's get £240 per DAY food and drink allowance?
Some people do not have that per week to live on.......but that is why a lot of politicians want us to be in...they want a chance to jump on this gravy train.

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Bring it on! The eu big boys will threaten & bully, but in the end they'll come tail between their legs looking to trade with US as we thrive outside the constraints of their failing state.

Our tiny little Island has a strong tradition of defending freedom & showing the bully boys their arses! OUT on the 23rd!

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I'll drink to that Son....but make it a builders brew.:)

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Rolls Royce has entered the battle. It is telling its workers that they should vote 'Remain' to protect jobs in this country.
Rolls Royce does 66% of its trade with countries outside Europe...and this is from their own figures.
Michael Howard was on Sky TV this morning saying that the Remain campaign were implying that there were no risks from voting to remain in the EU....yet there are risks.
The budget is still to be determined, the financial position of many of the southern EU countries is dire. Greece is going to need another bail out( the si\e of which is being kept under wraps until after the referendum, as are many other things)........and trade within the EU is shrinking.

We have no control over any of these things...our voice and our opinions are unheard.
There is no democracy, no transparency...it is a dictatorship.
I hope the employees of Rolls Royce do not listen to their CEO. I hope they will see what is in front of them and vote LEAVE

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The TV debate last night was IMO very good and at that point I was all for voting out.
Even though he could not backup what he said with facts on what will happen or not happen.

We shall see what the next debate does to my choice :)

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Its simple, neither side can back anything up with facts, even the financial so called experts, its down to plain common sense.

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The figures that are being used for these 'guesstimates' of the damage are from 2013....and they are ALL using the same statistics.....so obviously they will all be getting their knickers in a twist.
All these 'experts' did not spot the iceberg that was the financial collapse in 2008.
Obviously there has to be a cost, but it is the price that is required to get back a chance for democratic process in this country.

Personally, I do not like the thinly veiled(and completely open threats ) from current members of the EU.....those who are supposed to want us to remain....who are supposed to be our allies(I was going to say friends...but their action refute any notion of friendship).

Any politician, or organisation that is being honest will tell you that no - one knows what will happen if we DO manage to get out of the Black Widows Web of deceit.

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I don't want to be part of an agreement that causes other nations within the agreement needing to be bailed out, if the EU was working this would never happen, as it is the poorer nations are still getting poorer and we are being taken with them.
They joined hoping for an even playing field, hoping we would raise their hopes expectations and living standards, they didn't join to be punished for being a struggling Country in the first place.
Be honest vote out, it MAY be hard at first whilst we suffer the wrath of the EU, but we are going to do ourselves and others more good in the long run.

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You should read the 4 hour debate on the petition, never heard such back slapping. it's obvious, petition or not, the attitude to Overseas aid is quite right, everything in the world is wonderful and us M.P. are wonderful and the public know nothing.
SO THERE

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I did read it, twice! It came through just as I was going to bed one night so I started reading it then.
I woke up in the middle of the night and decided to try again in the morning.
The exciting part came when about 20 mins before the end of the debate some pro members claimed they had been delayed on euro star coming back from succesful EU meetings or they would have been there earlier.
What a load of carp, the let's stay brigade tried to make it seem like the back slapping you described, by ignoring the debate until adding that little drama.

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That is how they treat us.....our own MP considered that we were not bright enough to be allowed a say in our destiny.
The EU runs on a similar assumption. We used to call it mushroom management.....feed them shot (or something like it)and keep them in the dark.
And we are being asked to take more of the same with less sauce.

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The more I read the more I can see history saying thank goodness for the British, they had the guts to take us away from the EU domination.

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There are no "facts" ... both sides seem to be sharing the same immense crock of horse manure ... that's where the facts are coming from. And you are damn right ... folks should go with common sense when they cast their ballots. And with their gut feelings about what is the right choice. Come to think of it, "common sense" and "gut feelings" are pretty much the same thing.

Ok ... so it's really none of my business ... it won't directly affect me whichever way the vote goes. But I just can't stand the idea of Britain being tossed into some German inspired blender ... and I don't see why Britain can't stand alone: fifth largest economy in the world, a powerful military, a history that no other country can match, and a culture which doesn't need any politically correct assholes sticking "multi" in front of it.

End of rant ... back to baseball.;)

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We have wasted a generating and a half with common sense, we joined the common market before I left school, I'm now retired, whenever there was a global blip on economics we've been on our own to struggle through, I can't remember the EU having a rainy day fund, our government then and now just tightens belts as if that's going help any of us and continues to (over)pay into the bottomless pit.

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Generation not generating.

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Other Europeans domination again and again and again.

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When a real foreigner, Geldof, a honorary Sir in fact, can make such a rear orifice of himself by sticking his nose where it isn't wanted, you Eric, as an honorable member of Accyweb are most welcome to express your views on here in my opinion.

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Geldof should be stripped of his knighthood in my view.:mad:

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I agree Cashy.....and not because he has a different viewpoint to the one which I have, but for the fact that he thought it noble to hurl abuse and gesticulate to those who he deems not fit to hold any opinion other than the one he entertains.
Anyway....he was a blooming dire singer.

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He still is.

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Just read this, but no sign of it elsewhere on the MSM or News tonight, if this doesn't make folk think again & go for out ........ I truly despair for a once great nation.

Calais migrants: Refugees attempt to reach Britain amid Euro 2016 ahead of EU referendum | World | News | Daily Express

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You gotta hand it to those migrants, mon copain. They know damn well that if the vote goes, as it should, OUT, the "open door" for migrants will be slammed in their faces. Seems that they are much more aware of this benefit from the "out" vote than are many in the UK. If I were over in Britain, I would be much happier listening to them shout their "[deleted] the UK" chants from Calais than from London, Birmingham, Manchester, or Knuzden.

Immigrants can be of great benefit to a country. What would Canada be without me?:alright: If you want to move to Canada, or to Australia, there is a points system. (Speaking English and/or French is a big plus here.) Having said that, we have taken in over 30,000 Syrian refugees ... and we took a whole bunch from Haiti after their last disaster. So, we do have a heart; but we also have a country to take care of ... the True North, Strong and Free ... and independent. And we like it like that.

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The thing is Eric our politicians are the deniers...they deny that these people would be detrimental to the fabric of our country...they deny the electorates very real concern about uncontrolled immigration......our prime minister denies that the deal he thinks he got from Brussels is not worth a sheet of Bronco(fine as tracing paper but fit for burger all else).......our politicians deny that the EU we might remain in is not the one that they think it is.(Many many policy decisions have been deferred until after the referendum because they fear that if we knew what their plans were, it would harden our resolve to leave).
Our politicians, bankers industrialists deny that the figures they keep pulling out of hats are just guesswork...and this does nothing to foster any kind of confidence in UK PLC......they deny talking the UK down...influencing money markets, investors and the like.

I really really wish that I could turn the clock back to 1972........I should have gone to Australia instead of getting cold feet.
I would be as far away from the Eu as it is possible to go without resorting to a spacecraft!

I am dreading Friday morning when the remianers are gloating about their vistory.......I will despair for the future of the children of this country...being shackled to the Eu.....being enslaved by their rules.

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Thing is, how is leaving the Eu going to stop them coming? the migrants from Syria and other war torn countries?

All the politicians are saying we "can" make our own laws, control our borders, give more to the NHS but are any of them actually able to do so? are any of them actually saying that if we exit we "will" do this?

Will these alleged savings actually be spent how the exit campaign are saying they should be? Will they heck!

Its already been shown that immigration cannot be stopped because of it, we just get to add more bureaucracy into it. There will still be a massive influx from Syria etc. and we cannot and should not be preventing these people from leaving the place where they are likely to get killed. I know I wouldn't like to be in their shoes.

All the raping, theft etc. that attributed to EU and outside EU immigrants isn't going to suddenly stop just because we leave the EU.

Immigration is not the be all that matters for this vote, our ability to trade with Europe is IMO more important as that affects my finances.

AIUI Margaret, you wouldn't like Australia - its full of convicts, murderers and rapists - we sent them there a few years back :)
Colleagues have emigrated over there and soon come back.

Still on the fence..

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I wouldn't like Australia - that's what you say. Well, you would be so wrong there.
Those people who were transported are long dead.
Australia is a country which values democracy. If you vote to remain then what you are saying is that you really don't mind unelected, unaccountable faceless bureaucrats making the laws by which you will be obliged to abide.

These bureaucrats do everything in secret committees. No minutes of any meetings are ever recorded....the bureaucrats can be bought by the likes of the Goldman Sachs banker(you know those people who were instrumental in the 2008 financial crisis.....that many of us are still paying for today).
If you vote remain you are saying that you don't really mind if your children cannot get into the school of their choice, that there are long waiting times for medical care......you are saying that you really don't mind if your children cannot get on the housing ladder because these incomers bring the wages down.......and that the money they earn does not go into the tax pot because frequently they do not earn enough....but they take out of the tax pot in the credits that are paid to them.....and then they send this money back to their home country to benefit that economy, rather than our economy.
Clearly you do not mind any of these things.

And while the politicians are not saying what would happen to the money which would be freed up by not contributing to the EU. The Fact is that it would be there to do something which could benefit the people of this island. Rather than than paying these bureaucrats £240 per DAY food and drink allowance(that is more than some people have to live on for a week) but that sits well with you.

My father and my grandfather are probably spinning in their graves that they spilt blood for you to even think of handing over our democratic rights to the Germans...because it IS the Germans who run this show.

You don't mind being a satellite state of the EU(Germany)......A county council of the EU.

Those people who are asking you to vote remain are the people who will not be affected by any changes to the fabric of this country...they are the people who pay for their childrens education, they pay for their medical care, they have homes in gated communities or in Necker(Richard Branson), they are the 1% elite that the Eu serves.

The Uk is the third largest contributor to the EU budget,yet our influence on policy, laws etcetera is just under 9%.

Think about these things while you have someone pick the splinters out of your back side won't you!

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And something which I forgot to mention...our trade with the EU has steadily shrunk...we sell only 33% of our exports inside the EU....which must mean that 66% go to the rest of the world.(I was terrible at maths so feel free to check my calculations and correct them if I am wrong)
We actually buy more from the EU than we sell to them......now don't tell me that they would not still want to sell to us just because we had the temerity to ask for reform(which was not forthcoming regardless of what Mr Cameron says - his deal is about as much good as a single sheet of Bronco toilet paper......the other EU members have openly said they will veto all of those things he thinks he negotiated).

There will be NO reform inside the EU whether we are in or out of it. Out is better.

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Germany and EU to Legalize Pedophilia and with it, Child Pornography as well! | EUTimes.net This is the best reason to vote leave as far as i'm concerned, whilst it aint been implemented, it just shows what some of you wish to support, these kinda people dont inspire me to allow em to rule.

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I hope this clarifies things for you and gets you off the bl**dy fence. My responses are in blue.

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That is disgusting news.
I think the world is going to hell in a hand cart.

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Be careful of what you wish for, Rainbox.
We appear to have tied ourselves to only one of two continents whose overall economy is in decline; the other is Antartica.
But remaining is certainly good for your finances if you're a Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley banker, or an MEP. Ask the Greeks.
Get down off the fence and vote leave.:)

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Me dad always told me exile-"Yeh can't put sense, were there is none".;)

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I really don't know how much more obvious these things need to be made for folk to see the blatantly obvious!

Roll on the 23rd & UK OUT!!!

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Could not have said it better....but you know son.....you can give some people all the information, but they will still listen to those who led them astray in the first place.(and the people they are trusting lied to them in the past.....are fudging the issues now, are making up boggart tales to scare those children)

We were sold the Common Market back in 1975 as a trading partnership.
We did not sign up for a Federation of European States.

The EU want ever closer political ties, they want harmonisation of taxes, they want a European Fighting forces they want a single currency, they do not want people who can think and ask pertinent questions, they want acquiescent people who will do as they are told...and cough up for the privilege....none of this was mentioned back in 75.
We went in for a Ford Escort....paid our dosh and went out to the forecourt to find we had bought a camel.(OK, so my analogy might not hit it for some people, but you get my drift).

Rainbow six is OK with all this because he is only thinking of how his own pocket will be affected.
I have news for you Rainbow Six.....the EU has deferred the setting of the current budget until AFTER the referendum.
Why might that be do you think?
Well might it just be that if they told us what our new contribution is going to be, we would put our X in what they consider to be 'the wrong box'?
So there you go.
I have nothing to gain by telling you this....I am not up for election, I support no political party and I have absolutely no chance of getting a place on the EU gravy train.....no ulterior motives at all.
Just a desire to see democracy and the ability to choose who makes the laws by which I am governed.

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The fact Rainbow says its about his money, says all yeh need to know about rainbow.:rolleyes:

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I wouldn't take that report seriously I think someone is trying to take the Micky out of something that's going to effect not just us but the future generations to come, whether we stay or leave, personally I think only an idiot would try to make a sick joke out of pedophile activitys or the referendum

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Actually Cashy was right, I live in Germany & most certainly wasn't aware of said publication so I checked up on various German sites for confirmation. The BZgA did issue a booklet aimed at parents of young children to encourage certain dubious activities (as healthy & natural????? REALLY???) but after a major outcry the booklet was pulled in July 2007.

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Perhaps cos yeh didn't bother to check it out? and if yeh call that a sick joke, then i wonder who the idiot is.:rolleyes:Also my whole point was though i said it hadn,t been implemented, I DO NOT want anyone who thinks along those lines, trying to dictate my grandchildrens future.

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One Million People Rise Up In France Amid Media Blackout | Your News Wire Also i wonder why this has been suppressed by our media? This week of all times, seems very odd to me.:rolleyes: But the idiots will not take this sort of thing on board.:rolleyes:

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WE'VE GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS PLACE
IF IT'S THE LAST THING WE EVER DO.
Right now all the Brussels copiers are being loaded up to print the backlog of regulations dreamt up by the clerks, Osbourne's revenge will be a mere fleabite compared to what that lot will have devised.
How about driving on the right, ban on Imperial measures, Xmas shopping in Euros.
The Germans and French have been scheming this for years and will never let it go so whichever way we jump there will be tough times ahead, but let them be our tough times!.

GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY.

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I stand corrected

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Umpire, I agree and it is something that member states of the EU have made no bones about.
If we stay in, the EU will feel the need to make an example of us(isn't this a sort of bullying - do we want to be in a 'club' which bullies , blackmails and rules its members by such methods?)to make sure no other little upstart countries think they can pull the same stunt.

We have survived tough before....I would rather roar like a lion than follow like a sheep.....I would rather choke on a big bite of independence than nibble on subservience....Especially subservience to Germany!

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Having survived the Thatcher years I'm pretty certain we will survive a walk out. Of all the debates over the decades I have heard issued by 'the media' this recent round has been the most protracted load of purposeful trash witnessed set out to confuse the public to the limit and beyond. The great hope now is that people actually do turn out to vote.

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Some food for thought prior to voting tomorrow

https://heatst.com/politics/everythi...he-referendum/

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I might just be waiting at the doors of Mercer House when they open in the morning.
I have never felt more certain or purposeful about anything since I retired.
I think the media have taken us for numbskulls a lot of the time...the politiciands too.

I am actually dreading waking up on Friday morning to find that we are still enmeshed in the undemocratic, bloated, sclerotic,self interested EU...and I feel that even if we are still in it, the EU is on self destruct mode and we might just be sucked into the melee that ensues when it does implode.

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Just looked at some of the latest predictions ... So close that I'm willing to bet the farm that whoever wins it won't be over. Nobody's gonna say "Great game. Best team won. Let's go have a beer." This ain't a game of cricket. From what I read it seems to be a war. It's not being fought by gentlemen ... Oh, and "ladies"; forgot for a minute that it was 2016 ... but by politicians and functionaries, and self-interested, greedy, tax-avoiding sonsabitches. Whoever wins, the problem ain't going to go away quietly.

Best outcome in my humble, colonial, backwoods opinion: A victory for "out". Followed by an almost inevitable collapse of the EU.;)

I'll be following the vote. I trust you will all get out and cast your ballots. May the Force be with you.:D

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you can't expect a 'clean' contest when the Bankers are involved in bank rolling the proceedings...they want what THEY want...not necessarily what is good for us, or for the UK in general.......and there has been a lot of 'talking down ' of the UK by people who will later blame those who want to be out (of this corrupt organisation) for the dip in financial confidence.
It is the bankers and industrialists and the likes of John Major and Tony Blair(spit) who are giving the country a bad name. Heaven forbid that these no counts miss a seat on the Eu gravy train.

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Just returned from sampling a pint or two, whilst there one of my drinking buddies showed me an extract from a book written in the 1960's by a German politician, the gist of it being.

"Although the British have beaten us twice by force of arm's, we shall win in the end by monetary means".

Ring any bells ?

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When the Greek nation was voting recently in its referendum on whether to put up with the EU austerity, Jean-Claude Juncker (der Fuhrer) said "There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties".
Tomorrow's vote is NOT about economics it is about FREEDOM.
If we vote anything other than LEAVE, it may as well be the last time any of us bother voting.
Ignore the lies, spin and fear-mongering from the bankers and their political puppets.
VOTE LEAVE to remain a free country.

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And as for France, the other heir to the throne of Europe, we have been at each others throats since 1066. Britain is and always has been a unique island race, welcome immigrants by all means but on our terms, as and when needed, not as and when told to do so by unelected bureaucrats. Rant over, stay happy, Your's Taddy.

P.S. I may even rise early in order to get my leave vote in first, (repeat may).