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If Blair did anything, it was for his own benefit you can guarantee that, the loathsome creature that he is!

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Yes, of course he did. I am sure that he would only ever do what benefits him(either financially or in relation to his reputation...which is tattered and lack lustre).

On a another totally different note.
I see that Francois Hollande is talking about making Britain pay...making Brexit economically painful.
(Yet Donald Tusk says we are missed.)
Why would we EVER want to be part of an organisation which uses such tactics?
We should have signed Article 50 straight away. We would already be over a third of the way through the process by now.

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Exiting the EU is probably the most important thing that this country has ever had to do.
The Labour party are asking people to go onto the streets of London and protest against the Queen's speech tomorrow, hoping to bring down the elected Government.
Like it or not, the Conservative's won the election. with the largest percentage of the votes, plus more seats than Labour. I voted for Teresa May for Prime Minister, OK the Manifesto was a shocker, but in my mind she is still the best person to lead this Country.
The Conservative remainers have a duty to get behind her, stand together for the good of the Country, give her a decent chance. If there is another General Election, it is likely that Jeremy Corbyn and Labour would win. Anarchy on the streets is what they are preaching, take over any empty flats or houses for the homeless.
The newspapers and media are not giving the true picture of what is happening to this Great Country of ours. WHY!!!

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I have just been watching a proclamation by a former President of Czechoslovakia, saying its time to leave the E.U. and he gives damn good reasons why they should, be very interesting to see what if anything develops from this i reckon,

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the only thing i can think of that the left wing lot are good at is not accepting a democratic result

they are awesome at it

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Tony Blair - What's different, most politicians are self serving. If they're not and they do attempt to make society fairer then our media destroys them with the help of the public they've already brain washed.

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Blair destroyed socialism simply to get elected,he turned Labour into Tory in disguise.:rolleyes:

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On a another totally different note.
I see that Francois Hollande is talking about making Britain pay...making Brexit economically painful.
(Yet Donald Tusk says we are missed.)
Why would we EVER want to be part of an organisation which uses such tactics?
We should have signed Article 50 straight away. We would already be over a third of the way through the process by now.[/QUOTE]

problem is that if they make it easy for us to get out of the club there,s a fear that more would follow. make an example of us then other countrys euro sceptics will be kept in check.

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I think that The EU is doomed anyway.
It is an undemocratic organisation that is top heavy with expensive bureaucracy.
Only recently there were only 30 or so MEP's turned up for a morning session of their parliament. We have never been on the winning side of a debate since our inception into this 'club'
When others see the tactics that these at the top of the EU will employ, why can they not see that they are being dominated...having their sovereignty removed?
It says a lot about them...and their bullying.
We were never their flavour of the month...and I think that is because we are not(and never have been) European.

It is time we just left...no wrangling, just tell them to stick the whole shebang where the monkey shoves his nuts...and do it sideways!

I despair of us ever getting out. If we opt for the soft Brexit, then we have all of the expense, few of the benefits, those currently in the EU will still be able to come here...and send the money back home to benefit their homeland economies....and we will have absolutely NO SAY in any of the legislative process...so why would you want that option?

I voted to be OUT...right out...no strings to tie us in any way shape or form...and I believe those who voted to leave also wanted that too.

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All those i know who voted Leave certainly wanted OUT end of and stuff Em.No strings Just OUT.

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All this political cr*p that continues to be spouted about soft and hard Brexit is just so much bullsh*t intended only to keep the media happy and a bunch of half-wit politicians in the news.
As I recall, before we had a rare chance to vote on something meaningful, Cameron went to negotiate with the European Empire. What he came back with was the equivalent of a 'soft' Brexit (that is, no change, mate, like it or LEAVE it).
Voters rightly understood what was on offer, and chose the latter.
But, as ever, too many of our politicians serve not their voters but the bankers and their corporate friends.

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Yes, he got a worse deal than Jack(of beanstalk fame)...but then I really believe he did not want any kind of deal.
You don't send a half hearted clown to negotiate with tigers do you?
They(JC Juncker and his cohorts) knew this and offered nothing worth having.
We cannot get out of this toxic spider web soon enough for me.

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totally agree with you there cashy that,s how me and my mates and family saw it. unfortunetly there,s a large number of the younger generation i.e. those who were born after the e.u. and common market was established and totally believe the end of the world will happen if we come out of the club. they believe the pro euro stance of anyone who thinks there way and think the older gerenation will put em into some sort of 30,s depression. they,ll do anything in their power to keep us in and i only will believe we,re out when we,re actually out. this subject will not go away for years.

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The thing about many of those younger generation is that they did not vote.
Also, many of them swallow what they are told without thinking about it...They believe the media hype. They do not look into what they are being told and ask what the motives of the agencies are, who are feeding them this stuff.
Another aspect is that they have only lived under the auspices of the EU....they know nothing different.

I am old enough to remember the time before the EU.
I remember that we were sold the organisation as a pure trade organisation.
It has turned into something far different...with tentacles that have insidiously grasped many aspects of our daily life(to our detriment)...this has been done with the complicity of political parties of all shades.

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Some of those students that did vote VOTED TWICE, that should be investigated and prosecutions should happen.

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I read that the Polish PM or President said that Poland will leave the EU rather than accept any migrants, I think that was a result of a poll, even though the majority would prefer to Remain, but not if it means accepting migrants

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Now there is a politico looking out for his land & people. (If just a tad necky, as it's alright for his folk to go wandering all over europe in particular the UK, but he'll not have no "Gimmegrants & rapefugees" at his house, actually quite a smart move though)

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1197033]The thing about many of those younger generation is that they did not vote.

think a lot did and some actually wanted to bring in a lower voteing age limit to attempt to get their own way in the referemdum. could be due that most of the people the youngsters follow pop stars and media luvvies were all for remain.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1197039]Or also it could be they are so sodding Naive they are clueless. like we did when we were young, know it all, but know nowt.;)

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[QUOTE=cashman;1197040]You're so right, Cashy, when I think back to when I was 18-21, my political views were so much different than they are today.

I think it's called life experience!

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[QUOTE=cashman;1197040]Again all down to the social marxism control of the msm, schools & outfits like the bbc, aided & abetted by successive governments dumbing down education standards, twisting standards, morales & attitudes to pursue their agenda. Changing what was "our" normal into something unpalatable & to be disdained & rejected by the new generation of coffee coloured, unthinking, unquestioning, subservient, nation less, malleable drones. Coudenhove-Kalergi anyone?

http://www.disclose.tv/news/the_kale...d_trump/131637

Looks like the plan is in full swing, but once again the true British Have stood firm against another wave of aggression to our culture & ways via Brexit, but it's an uphill struggle, especially when we're fighting an enemy from within at the same time as the enemy from without!

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seems as anyone is allowed a culture but the british.

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[QUOTE=cashman;1197040]agree but there,s a number that will use em and promise em anything for their own ends.

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Cashy that was in the general election, not the referendum.

Yes, any fraudulent voting should be investigated...but it won't change the current situation.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1197039]I was talking about the referendum...and the younger people did not vote in the large numbers that we saw in the general election.

Maybe that is because the EU were not promising to have a money tree they could shake and pay for everything.

The large turnout of students for the General Election was because they wanted all their own way and a bag to put it in...and Jeremy Corbyn promised them this....knowing that there was a likelihood he would never have to live up to these promises....and if he had got in....well, then he would have just driven the UK even deeper in debt....or driven those who he considers 'rich' to distant shores....taking their money with them.
He would have had to break many of his promises...but in the process he would have bankrupted the U.K.

YOU CANNOT HAVE WHAT YOU CANNOT PAY FOR!
This is a concept which is alien to many people who live on 'tick'

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The enemy within is the most pernicious and the most damaging.
Defeating them takes a lot of cunning and resolve.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1197047]Unless of coarse you fall for the rubbish Corbyn was promising.:rolleyes:

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but don,t worry folks you know that our lives have been enriched through all the multiculturism we have in this country. they keep on telling us all this all the time eventually we will all believe in this brave new world created for us by our politicians over the last 50 odd years.

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I read yesterday that McDonnel has appointed a new Chief of Staff, which I believe is funded by the taxpayers. Is it by coincidence that his family name is Corbyn?

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Not at all its Corbyns son.:rolleyes:

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Well I must say I'm shocked I tell you! Shocked! Who'd of thunk it? The Squealers at the tit of the public purse ...... promoting one of their own to also suckle at the swollen teat.

Whatever happened to meritocracy, oh yeah, silly me, we're talking about the politico classes here where it appears that the more useless & inept the character the higher they rise.

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It's very strange, my Dad was a nobody, (in the eyes of all but his family), thanks to his influence I and my syblings all grew up to be nobodies, we have spent our lives bringing up our children to be nobodies and so it goes on through the generations.

However by God, I would rather be part of a family of nobodies that actually help their family members and their neighbours than a member of a family that leech on the good will of others which is the family of politicians we nobodies seem stuck with!

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Those who think they are 'nobodies' should watch the James Stewart film 'A wonderful Life'.

You might think you are a 'nobody' Less, but what you should see is that you are one of the little cogs that keeps this land turning...and without whom the big cogs(who THINK they are somebody) could not do their job. And a lost little cog can stop a whole machine.

I am sure that you and your siblings have contributed to the local community in some way or another...your presence may have given motivation/inspiration to someone else(without you even knowing it).
So I am sorry, I do not believe that anyone is a 'nobody'.

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Residents in Havering - London's Brexit capital - have urged their council to vote for independence and takeBackControl from Sadiq Khan! ����

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United we stand ...Divided we fall

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To the government we are bees, alone we can be squashed, but as a hive we can cause damage

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no such thing as being a nobody. everyone is somebody to someone. its this celeb lot who think they are somebody, but are no more a somebody than a man or woman you pass in the street.

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Other than the liberal lackeys who infect the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation, does Bliar really think any thinking person will believe it when he says the EU will change its rules on immigration?
It was barely a year ago Cameroon came home with his tail between his legs after being told nothing would change.
Having said that, hearing the con-artist Bliar tell us that we got it wrong is the best news for some time for those of us who voted LEAVE (and who will continue to hold our MPs to that decision until we are out of that dysfunctional dictatorship). Wonder how much Gina Miller paid him?

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if you want the truth listen to what blair tells you to do and then do the opposite. might even get things right then. if he was a weather forcaster i,d take a brolly if he forecast sun.

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His comments today on Radio 4, sounded to me, as if he was being paid by the Corrupt EU to put another agenda forward. Blair has no credibility he is a liar, and would do just about anything for money. All I want is for the UK to come out of the EU having paid them not a toss, I would rather have a no deal and just leave, than this rubbish that Blair has come out with.

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I just wish Blair would sod off and quietly die.

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actually i just don,t think we,ll ever leave the EU club. just a feeling i have thats all without any proof.

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Have to disagree i'm pretty certain we will.

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I also despair of ever getting out. (But I have hope)
There are too many two faced duplicitous liars and cheats conspiring against the democratic will of the people who voted to leave.

As for Tony Blair, it is time that he got what is coming to him.
I hope I live long enough to see him get his cakes and ale.

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I can honestly say I despise Blair as much as i did Thatcher, and i never thought that would ever be possible,

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Corbyn, Jones, Sturgeon, are determined they will put every obstacle they can to change the terms of the Referendum

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X10 with bells & knobs on! But not totally quietly, I'd love to hear his petulant whining being wound up as he bleats out his last "Why doesn't anybody like me?"

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same for me but i did think thatcher was truthful, but blair, made arthur daley look honest.

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Thatcher was viscious and out for revenge against the miners, she didn't care about communities she destroyed many and as for her assistant with his 'get on yer bike' attitude, nah I got on my bike, moved several times attempting to find work, ended up in areas I didn't know and lowe and behold, if you did find work you had to put up with last in first out attitude when she squeezed the last from companies.

So there folk were stuck in towns they didn't know amongst strangers whose families would naturally find jobs for their own rather than someone they didn't know.

Yes, and all done wasting the money being made from the North sea oil and gas boom that could have been used far better.

The best thing I did was scrimp and scrape until I could come back to Accrington, not the best place in the world but amongst folk I know and a far better place to be unemployed than some of the drug ridden theiving places I had forced my family to live in.

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Can't agree with you Less. Margaret Thatcher was the best PM this country has had in my lifetime. Waiting for the PELTERS. Now if you had said TONY BLAIR I would have agreed

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I have to disagree strongly with the statement Thatcher was truthful, the Belgrano is a good example of that evil cows truth, she also set the police on the miners, i saw the injurys to women @ children when they smashed to bits a soup kitchen run by women @ kids inYorkshire, the best thing that evil bitch ever did was DIE. I can also recall a conversation between 2 policemen in Burnley saying thanks to Thatcher they were getting much overtime to beat miners up, if some people think she was the best, they know nothing of what occured during the miners strike, if they did know they didn't care a jot.

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Scargill is a Hypocrite of the highest order

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Which is what to do with Thatcher being an evil bitch?also scargill was correct but underestimated the pit closures, he may have gone about it the wrong way but there was more pits closed than he ever predicted.:rolleyes:

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think that thatcher really divided opinion throught the country. some in non mining areas thought it was a war she had to win to smash all union power and others wanted her to fail big style. what got me one day when i went to a pub quiz and the answer to a question was margeret thatcher. the shouting of good old maggie, wish she was back etc. astounded me as most of the people there were on minimum wage and not what i,d class as a typical tory voter if there is one. plenty of rumours going round in south yorkshire at the time and the main one was that not all the coppers at orgreave and other places were not actually coppers but the army in police uniforms.

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I have no objection that you disagree with me, perhaps you were in a secure job during that time and therefore thought screw you Jack I'm O.K.?

I however along with many, many more were crapped on from a great height by that bitch, anything we as a family have acheived since then was despite her and her kind, I don't consider Blair to have proved himself anything but a self seaking liar, but she went out of her way to ruin the lives of many ordinary folk, the two of them are different but equally despicable blights on our history.

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the thing about the thatcher years is that there were many loosers big style but others never have had it so good. same with areas of the country as well. a lot of it was to do with where you lived and what you did. remember going on a train journey between birmingham to wolverhampton in the mid eighties and seeing all the delerict factories in various states of demolition throught the journey. go down south and you thought you were in a different country.

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What the bitch actually did was create a SELFISH society, and its gone even worse over time. imho.

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Yawn

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Is that the best you can do as a reply to the criticism of your Goddess?

Couldn't you have come up with something to prove that she was, as you claim, the best P.M. we ever had?

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Yesterday afternoon I was looking at Youtube, sometimes they have a Recommend for you, there is was Glenda Jackson's speech in the House of Commons about Margaret Thatchers Death, I remembered it was a shocking speech, but chose toe watch it again. It was worse the second time around. I then went to Accy Web, yours was the first comment I read, YAWN just summed up your post. Margaret Thatcher is not my Goddess, she was, in my opinion a Great Prime Minister.

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like her or loath her she,ll be remembered years after the men in grey major, cameron, brown and the man with forked tongue blair are just answers to pub quiz questions.

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Thats true for the same reason everyone remembers Hitler.;)

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Eh! Could you please explain that comment

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Well its simple enough to grasp.:rolleyes:

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I must be simple, can't grasp it. If you could explain I would be grateful.

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I did not vote for her and disliked some of the things that she (and her government)were responsible for...but I have to admit to a sneaking admiration for her as a woman in what was, a very different, difficult masculine world.
She was a strong powerful woman,who did what she thought would benefit the country.(hindsight is a wonderful thing)
She was not swayed by those EU bullies and she won for the UK some hefty rebates...something that no other (male) PM has done.

As for the conflict with the miners...she went head to head because she had to
If she had given ground she would have been seen as weak by both her own party(there were those in her party who were waiting for an opportunity to stab her in the back...dissent is ever present in political parties) and those in opposition.
It was inevitable that there would be acrimony, the unions always wanted to be calling the tune.
She wanted the unions to know that the government were in charge...not the unions.
It was a very different time.

So she was political marmite.

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I think that Cashy is saying that Margaret Thatcher and Hitler were of the same ilk...so will be remembered for their crimes.

Margaret Thatcher...did not incinerate a whole section of the population for their religious and cultural background.
She did not start a war of epic proportions,so while I am not a fan...I don't think they are in the same league.

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Yes in your opinion, not the same opinion as others have, this is a discussion site, a shame that you had to resort to a one word low witted attempt to get personal about a view not shared by you.

As I said earlier:-

What a shame you can't reply with something worthwhile that may (though it is doubtful) just change my opinion of one of the worst people ever to hold too much power over many innocent lives.

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Thanks for the explanation Margaret, well written.

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I have great respect for Cashy and Less...I can understand where they are coming from.
I also understand the animosity which the subject provokes.

Margaret Thatcher and her government did me no favours, but I can see that there were very difficult choices to be made it was a time of much unrest.(IRA, Miners Strike, Falklands war.political instability to mention just a fewissues)
We can say that we lived through it...it is past, but we remember the hard times...and I think they were harder then than they are now(just my opinion...which is worth nowt)

There is room for opinions of all shades and it would be a very boring life if we all thought the same thing.

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No she did not incinerate a whole section of the population, but she completely destroyed many communities as well as had women @ children beaten to a pulp. as i witnessed, the police were defo acting on government instructions,the best i can say about anyone that admires her is they are honestly clueless as to what occured, i also know a friend,self employed at the time was turned back on M6 going to do a factory roof in Liverpool, he was told he was a flying picket, he lost the job.:mad:

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Cashy, as I said....I respect your views.
I was not party to that...it is something that I did not see....and as such I can not comment on it.
As I have said it was a time of serious unrest on many fronts.
She had a difficult job...she did what she thought was best.(she could not allow the unions to succeed as they would have weakened the government of the country...not just the tory government, but future governments too) I do not expect you to agree with me. I know your views are strong and are based upon personal experience.

That is what is great about this forum...we can have this discussion and still respect each other(or I hope we can).

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Theres many things i can justifiably be called, but telling porkies aint one of em.

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Cashy...there is nowhere I have suggested or implied that you are anything less than honest.
I can not comment on the things you have seen....but do not doubt for one minute that you have seen them and experienced them...and that is why you hold the opinions that you do.

When I said I had a 'sneaking admiration' for MT...it was not as a politician, but as a strong woman in a world that was hostile to women. A world that was difficult even for strong men(of which, at that time, there were few in politics...much like now really...the majority of politicians of all colours are lily livered sneeks only set on doing what is best for them...not the country).
I admired her focus and the fact that she would not be deflected from her aims.
I did not support or admire those aims...but do not feel that I have to justify myself.

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You have no need at all to justify yourself, What i'm saying is if yeh have no doubt at all i have seen such things, why yeh feel yeh cannot comment on them?:confused: that beats the hell outa me.:confused: Cos i know fer sure if i had no doubt, i certainly would have to say summat.

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Because Cashy, you can only really comment on your own experiences. They are the only things that are relevant.
Like being in court...the only things you can report are the things you have seen for yourself.
As I said, I have no doubt that you were affected by your experiences...and that is why your opinions are what they are.

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I have no problem with other views so long as we can discuss them, when someone can't come up with a better (or is that bitter) retort than 'YAWN', should that person be considered a truthful thinking person? Or should they just be considered a biased insulting individual?

I lived through the Thatcher years obviously her experience during that time was different to my own, would I wish her to have anything less?

No, of course not, compared with many she was lucky, that doesn't mean anything I or others experienced should be pushed to one side by a smug, 'YAWN'.

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No, of course it doesn't Less. We are shaped by our experiences, they make us who we are...and of course how we see things now is affected by what we went through in the past.
I did not have yours or Cashy's experiences. It was a tough time for many people and as I said, she and her government did me no favours...but we lived through it.

Yes, sensible discussion is the bread and butter of the forum and makes it the interesting place that it is

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Meanwhile, in other news .....

Without money from UK the EU will be on brink of collapse | Express Comment | Comment | Express.co.uk

A good article to read & lays bare a few nasty little eu secrets.

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It will make little difference to the re-moaners, yeh cant put sense where there is none, me grandma always said.;)

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the re-moaners know no better and that,s their problem. been brought up with it and believe everything or most things about it. got to be well over 40 to remember when it didn,t exist in any form. used to be called brainwashing.

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This is a very interesting article and although I have no real financial nous(other than balancing a home budget) I have always said that the EU needs us (and of course, our cash) far more than we need it.
This article goes to show that we put far more in than we get out...and there are 27 countries in this alliance but only eight pay club fees....What is that all about eh?

If you join the club...you pay the fees.
There has never been...nor ever will be any kind of level playing field in this undemocratic organisation.

If we were so dear(and paid so much in) why does the EU persist in its bullying tactics?

It is time we gave them one finger and told them to shove off.

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Thats been my view for many awhile, Even the so called Tory Brexiteers are now saying we need a few years transition after 2019, well they can all get stuffed as far as i'm concerned, Boris @ Mogg are the ones with balls.

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I think that if all negotiations are not completed by 2019 (and there is a good chance with how they're going right now, that they won't be) we shut the door on the whole business and walk.
It is in their(the EU's) interests to delay things as much as possible.
We should be giving them a list of what we want and telling them that if that is not to their liking,we will just walk.
It might speed things up a bit.

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I honestly hope this Brexit happens in 2019, but I have my doubts.
Corbyn and the Labour Party, Lib Dems, Scottish Nazi Party and the one Green, are determined to put every obstacle in the way.

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Oh! Should have mentioned Ken Clark and the Soubry woman, plus a few other Conservatives are a problem as well

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those are complete barstewards, but i honestly dont think they will risk a corbyn government, they will put up with may.

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I agree with you over T May, but all the other parties want a debate and a vote on any part of the agreement they don't like, consequently holding everything up. They would be a bunch of barstewards as you put it if they did. That word barstewards did make me laugh

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Michel Barnier is asking that any EU migrant who stays in the U.K. after Brexit be entitled to claim child benefit for children NOT resident here....and to be allowed to send this money home.
David Davies has said this is not going to happen.
Just more evidence of how the EU wants to fleece the UK...and makes ridiculous demands as part of the negotiations to slow things down.

Get us out NOW!

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I'll drink to that Retlaw.
That is just my kind of deal.

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only goes to show what the EU club really is. need to get out as quickly as we can before other things crop up. for me they need us a lot more than we need them.

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Did we ever get reparations for the destruction wrought on this country in WW2? Seem to recall we were left to repay debts to the USA for several decades, whilst at least one half of Germany got its entire industrial base rebuilt by the same country.
And I don't imagine we submitted any invoices for helping to liberate Belgium, Holland, Denmark, and France.
Maybe we could run up a few £Billion in you-owe-us and stick 'em on the table?:rolleyes:

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don,t think it was anything to do with money after the war. more like a fear of communism spreading further west that caused the industrial german base being brought back to life. probebly the same reason the yanks ploughed money into japan with a chinese threat nearby.

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You are correct in that the Allies wanted to create a buffer zone against the USSR. The US did effectively the same with Japan but that was to stop the USSR again, they had designs and in fact USSR did not declare war on Japan until quite late in the war. The communists didn't complete the takeover of China until after the surrender of Japan and Germany.

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Yes, most of us know why the US rebuilt their former enemies.
But the point was that the UK was left bankrupt in 1945, having spent its last shilling on helping to defend Europe (and elsewhere).
Unlike these modern-day, money-grubbing, expenses-fiddling Eurocrats, the U.K. didn't demand billions from our continental 'partners' for that expensive episode.

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Of course what is often forgotten is that America wrote off the lend lease debts, so that they could lend us money to rebuild, that was the loan we spent many years paying off.
Had they (the Americans) been greedy they could have claimed us as one of their colonies because we were worse than skint and they owned everything.

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Just had more thoughts on this Brexit do after reading today paper, they want this and won't budge on that, best thing we can do it treat the EU like the brothel it is, zip thi flies up chuck a few quid ont table, an tell um thas ed better else where. They've bin doing it us for years
:alright:

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I have no experience of brothels, but it was my impression that in such establishments you got your hearts desire..no matter how unsavoury that might be.

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Read in one of the daily papers that the Polish government is threatening to send a bill for WW2 reparations to Frau Merkel. :D