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I do not think for 1 min Corbyn would get in, reckon people have rumbled him! many labour voters, including me have abdicated the party because that imbecile is the leader, dont forget many Labour voters voted OUT.

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Cashy, I think that many might have seen through him, but there are still an awful lot of gullible people out there who might put him in power(there are still a core of hardened Labour voters...called Momentum I think)..especially as he is keen to promise things that he cannot possibly deliver....but if folk think they are going to get more in the way of handouts(paid for by those who are deemed by the Labour Party 'rich').,.then they do not question it.
It is not an impossibility....and this was what created the greatest problem for TM....she felt that people were sensible enough to see through the lies of the Labour Leader.
Had she NOT done this, then her position in Westminster would have been stronger.
She was badly misled.

Yes, I know that many in the heartlands of Labour country voted out, but the message from the Labour Party has not been clear in respect of Brexit.
The other thing is...politicians can promise any damn thing they like when in opposition, they know that they are never going to have to deliver on these promises.
In election campaigns too...they promise the earth and deliver fisons...because once they are in the electorate are sewn up for a period of time.
In this time they could run the country into the ground...and Labour has been shown very clearly to have little grasp on prudent financial policy.

What these whinging remainders do....and those who predict doom and disaster(and these are usually civil servants who are feeding this tripe to gutless politicos) is they show our hand of cards to those in the EU that we are playing against.
They cannot see that a United front....with everyone(and I mean EVERYONE) having the same story would scare the wits out of those over in Brussels.
They NEED our money, because without it they each will have to pay in more from their own funds or see the whole thing go belly up.
They NEED our trade. 17% of German motor cars are sold here in the U.K....what would the loss of this trade do to German industry and their domestic budget.

Those of us who voted to leave are treated as though we need watering twice a week
I made it my business to find out as much as I could before I made my vote.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that I have seen since I voted makes me question my decision, or change my point of view.
In fact had I voted to remain, then the antics that have passed for negotiations would give me cause for concern.
I hope that there is NO deal....because though we may have a few tough years, it will be worth it to be shut of the anti democratic dishonest dictatorship that is the EU.

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Thank you Bea.
I say it as I see it...there is no other way.

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I still think the man will never be elected as P.M. margaret. to me theres very little chance of that.

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I sincerely hope you are right Cashy...truly I do.
It would be the end for this country if he were ever elected.

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If he were ever elected, i agree would be a national disaster.:eek: the way i see things is he got elected simply cos people were sick to the back teeth of the Blairite scum that had emerged.

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Yes, I think you are right there
Tony Blair and his ilk were champagne socialists....they were far closer to being Tory than being Labour/Socialist.
That man did more to harm the fabric of British society and the reputation of the UK than any invading forces could ever do.
He is a despicable man....a war criminal,who still sees himself as the saviour of this county.
He was made a peace envoy for the Middle East....and there has been disharmony in that region ever since.

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On a number of the news channels today has been the "Armageddon" Brexit scenario which has been leaked by Whitehall as an outcome of leaving the EU with no deal. These "clever" people feel there are apparently 3 levels of disaster facing us, the middle one being food , fuel and medicine shortages occurring very quickly and the port of Dover falling apart on the first day.
Theresa May and her cronies are dismissing it as hysterical. I am quite willing to go along with that and put it down to Remainers trying to "stir things up", but what I find difficult to accept is that there should be such differences of opinion within Whitehall and the Government about what may be the outcome of the path we voted to go down. I wonder if Ms May is secretly hoping for no deal so she can in her thoughts be the one who pulls the UK back from the brink.
If we leave with no deal, there will surely be work to be done by the Government of the day to keep us on the right path, but I am struggling to think who that person/ people would be from any Political party.
Mark

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They just want to scare the hell out of the population.
I sometimes wonder if much of the press is in the pay of the EU.

Much of these scare stories have been formulated by civil servants( they have a vested interest in us staying in the EU...it means far less work for them)and no one knows what will happen.
Before the vote George Osborne predicted that the Uk would spiral into a financial decline.
It did not happen, the Bank of England were very pessimistic about financial markets and business....but these were all fabricated....and this is because NO ONE knows exactly what will happen.....other than our politicians will have to earn their corn(rather than being able to sit on their rumps and have rules and regulations formulated by the bureaucrats in Brussels).
They will have to knuckle down and do the work that government should be doing,

If there is a no deal scenario...what is termed a hard Brexit....I cannot see how TM can be seen to pull us back from the brink.....because there will be no brink.
We will be OUT.....and if it was felt this was the wrong decision, we would have to apply to join again....we would be forced to accept the single currency(this is a condition required by anyone joining the EU) I am also pretty sure that the bureaucrats would penalise the UK in as many ways as possible.
Michel Barnier has already said that he has no intention of negotiating, that the EU wants to punish the U.K.

I think there are other worries for the EU....the election of Anti EU populist governments in Italy(even though the EU have parachuted a technocrat in to ensure compliance with regulations) Slovakia is also in a similar position, Hungary too...and all because the EU does not accept democratic process.

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Mark, by "news channels" I guess you mean the "speculation channels" that too many me-ja outlets have become.
In my mind 'news' is what has happened, not what might conceivably happen if a series of assumptions come true.
EVERY news channel has its agenda. Our job is to realise just what that agenda is and adjust our credulity accordingly.

And in answer to Margaret's question, the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation for one receives or has received money from the EU. Who'd have thought it?

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So very true.
All of these postulations are just guesses....and not very educated guesses either.
What these folk who spread this tripe fail to realise is that every time one of these stories is published, those in the EU rub their hands in glee....because they see the population of the UK running around like headless chickens.
They like to see these divisions sown by the media...It makes their job so much easier.
It is far easier to conquer and rule a divided nation.
We do NOT need the EU anywhere as much as they need us.
We export only something like 39% of goods into the EU and this figure is falling.
If we accept a customs union and a single market we will be tied into the EU forever....paying into the coffers, but with no say in any policies(not that having a say makes any difference...we have NEVER had a single vote that has gone in our favour in the past)...this would be the worst deal ever.
We could not broker deals under the WTO rules while tied into this kind of deal.
We need to be OUT....right out, this is not the hokey-cokey.

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If I were TM(though I am glad I am not...you would not envy a woman who had to deal with snakes in her own government and snakes round the negotiating table) I would tell Michel Barnier what I was prepared to offer(the divorce bill and not much else) I would walk away and tell him to call me when he had a meaningful offer for me to consider...and I would walk away without a backward glance.
I would be telling those in the Lords to shut up and sit down....I would tell dissenters in my own party that the electorate had made their wishes clear and that is what the focus will be on...delivering an exit.
As for the Irish border situation, that is not for TM to solve...this is an EU border and it is up to them to sort it out.
Alas, I can do none of these things.

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For my own amusement I just had to do a bit of research. For ease, the figures below are for the end of 3 year periods starting in 2004.
From what's publicly available online (of course it took FoI requests to get anything out of the BBC) it seems the BBC received the following from the EU:

2007 - £517,000
2010 - £2,081,000
2013 - 'about' £3,000,000
2016 - £2,333,000

Apparently this is regarded as peanuts by the BBC. And no doubt by the EU too, given that you have to feed a parrot if it's to be trained to say what you want.

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Margaret, I'll vote for you. You can do it.;)

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I am too old, not well educated enough, and well known as a gobby old bird.

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I aint convinced they are not "Educated Guesses" those scumbags sure think they are! They to me expect or hope to con the oiks into panic,it will work with those who believe everything the "Beeb" or media tells em. i have no doubt oer that, i do though doubt theres enough of em for these scumbags to win a do. to me yeh can only push the British so far.

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Cashy, if they truly were 'educated' guesses I think they would be more plausible...and perhaps even a bit more moderate.
They are definitely guesses because this has never been done before.
Leaving the EU is a totally unknown quantity.....there are no ways that we can judge what the outcomes will be...which is why there are as many stories as there are opinions...and opinions are like bottoms...eveyone has one....and some are bigger and uglier than others.

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Margaret, understand what you are saying about age, we are similar, but, if you & I were 20yrs younger, I would join you on a 'non party' ticket, &, along with one or two others on here, we'd show 'em how to negotiate with Barnier et al!!

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Yes....and I would be up for it too.
I have absolutely no party allegiances...I follow no party dogma.
I would be really hard pressed to support something that I did not believe in...and my gobby ways have got me in hot water a few times...for saying it how I see it.

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Probably so, but bet yeh mine have got me in a damn site more.!:D

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No Cashy...I think it could be a draw.:D

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No comment!!

I'd have you both on my side!!

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Sound perfectly qualified for Westminster! :rolleyes:

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I suspect, too honest and too many morals for Westminster.

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I think you might be right.
At least I have no skeletons in my cupboard....unless you count the episode of being chased by the guard off a train way back in 1950 plonk for being on the railway embankment begging drivers for a lump of coal.:)

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imagine what the sun would do with that story margaret. public flogging and hanging at york railway museum for such past actions that have brought total rejection from all your colleagues.

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Yes...well, while they were writing about my juvenile escapades they would be leaving somebody else alone.

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Ah mon ami, I 'ercule Podgerot ave deduced an extraordinary truth n'est-ce pas?

Belgium: EU Must Close Borders, Turn Back Boats

Are the folks of Europe actually awakening to the duplicity of their leaders? Slowly slowy catchy Monkey!

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Probably dave, apart from the Toss-pots that are feathering their own nests.:rolleyes:

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Alas, I think it is too late for Europe to do much about migrants(that is what they are,,,,not refugees).
The continent has been swamped with people who do not wish to go back to their countries...they would rather migrate, get you to change to their way of life...a tribal seventh century dogma as their template for life...which is soon to be the template that they want everyone to live by.

If you look back in history it took Spain four centuries to rid themselves of Muslims.

So, well done Belgium, but too little and far,far too late!
I don t think this particular monkey will be easy to catch

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Looks like "Brexit means Brexit" & "No deal is better than a bad deal" aren't! Traitor DisMay really has got my gorge up with her latest antics of appeasing her party remainers, she really needs to go, now!



https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...hard-brexit-eu

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This is not what the electorate voted for.
But remove TM and replace her with who?
Son, who can you see in the political spectrum, in ANY party who would deliver what the electorate voted for.
I know my eyesight is poor, but even with a microscope I can see no one who has the mettle or the following to get the job done.
TM's main problem is that she does not have a workable majority....and she has MP's in her party....and in government(Philip Hammond for one) who are divisive.
They are the EU's greatest weapon against us....because by dividing the party they are giving the EU a view of he game plan.
You cannot beat an enemy who has outposts in your head....the government is the head....and the EU have outposts(in the shape of remainder dissenting MP's) well entrenched in the head.

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At this present moment in time I really don't care who steps up & replaces DisMay! The only stipulation I'd have is that they must be an out & out leaver, 210% behind getting the UK out of the eu cesspit & that he/she surrounds themselves with like minded individuals.


JRM may not be everyones favourite & even I am a tad wary of his attitudes after initially thinking he may well be the person for the job, but according to the article below from February this year, his "Peers" seem to think he might fit the bill.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ja...party-members/

Like I said earlier I really don't care who steps up, but step up they should & disMay & her remainer cronies should be banned from ever practicing politics in Uk for the rest of their miserable scheming lives!

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The thing is a vote of no confidence will not solve the problems.
It could bring down the government and create a general election....opening the way for Commie Corbyn(I know Cashy thinks that could NEVER happen...but I do not share his optimism).

I fear that we will never get out of the web that is the EU.

That this betrayal by politicians(not just TM, but the snakes who would use any tactics to keep us in the straitjacket that the EU has become) of the concept of democracy....I have said in the past that there is no democracy....that voting changes nothing....it just gives the politicians someone to blame when it all goes belly up.

I really feel that many of those disrupts are in the pay of the EU...the EU cannot afford for us to leave.
It is in their interests to cause as much confusion and division as will scare the bejasus out of the people...yet it is NOT the people who are afraid...it is the MP's who will lose their nice fat pensions.

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Then of course there are those vermin in ermine who have done all they can to undermine the process of Brexit...these are unelected and in many cases 'failed' MP's....all being paid out of the public purse.
It is time they were culled as inhumanely as possible. This geriatric crèche does the UK no favours, then there is Justin Welby....a cleric meddling in political affairs.
None of these are worth a pinch of donkey droppings.

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Whilst there is that many of M.P.s of all parties, that do "NOT" recognize what the people voted for, its a complete waste of time voting for any party imho. in fact personally i have no intention of doing so.:(

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Cashy, I never ever thought I would hear you say that.
Things must have come to a pretty pass.

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Very much so Margaret i am sick to the back teeth of the lot of em.there is just too many Remoaners in all parties.

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I thought the tories were bad with their infighting & division, seems Corpybins lot are having just as much fun too.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ter-Government

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You could not put a sheet of Bronco between the parties.
They are all a shower of fisons, with absolutely no interest in the wishes that the electorate
Demonstrated by their vote to leave the EU.

How much weaker is the bargaining hand when those at the negotiating table KNOW we will not walk away....because the MP's want a soft deal....and this soft deal means that we continue to pay in....with no say in the formulation of policies.
Although in truth we never EVER had a vote go in our favour.
We have to accept free movement.....we have to follow the directives of the ECJ.
So we won't be OUT!
I think my Dom Perignon will be on my coffin....unopened!

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So tomorrow, 18 Jun 2018, our elders & betters in the HoC will discuss the slimeballs & deadbeats of the HoL & their uppity anti attitude to the populace. I don't really hold out much hope for a positve result going the way of Joe public, but it's nice to think they may just be a tad irked at the peasantrys temerity to gripe about their appetites.


I also don't think much of our current political caste regardless of party loyalties, but one man I do respect for his stance & seemly integrity (a scarcity amongst politicoes these days) is Frank Field, gentleman & Labour MP (Birkenhead) amongst the grubbing pygmies of parliament he stands tall & truly deserves the honorific "Honourable" when he speaks. Even he has warned the shysters in the HoL off, but will they listen to the words of the wise ...... somehow I doubt it, someone call the irinmongers & order 800 gert big shovels for delivery to the house of Scroungers Wasteminster, Londonistan express delivery!


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/97...it-theresa-may


Oh & youll probably need to send a few navvies to because the lazy B'stards are quite happy to dig their own hole but don't think they should have to do any real work, hence the navvies.

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agree cashy there is no point whatsoever when you vote for something, get a majority and so many of em will do anything to scupper the will of the people. been the biggest waste of time in my long lifetime. said from the beginning that we will not get what we voted for and time has not changed this view. do not worry though in areas of a high out vote come the next election they will be saying that it was not their fault it did not happen. as for the rich mans care home quicker that goes the better but holding your breath comes to mind.

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Got an e-mail today about the "Scrap the house of lords" that 169,000 voted for, that Government have said they will do "SOD ALL" about this, its not a priority with them. dont surprise me much, but it to me is another glaring example of how the electorate are ignored by them.:mad:

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they were never going to do anything about it cashy even if 16 million had signed the petition.

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Yes Cashy, I got the same e-mail.
It is no surprise at all that they plan to do nothing.
I would have been far more shocked(and shocked is exactly the right word) if they had said they would tip the whole lot of them out on their well padded behinds.

At the very least their needs to be a cull....and a downsizing of the House of Lords,
But it is NEVER going to,happen in our lifetime Cashy....it would be akin to Turkeys volunteering to stuff themselves with Paxo.

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I've often wondered, how can we be a democracy when people that aren't voted for can stop the people actually voted for from passing laws? Mind you we don't need a second house for that, our very own M.P. always goes against the will of the people!
But what do I know I'm the result of bad education in the 60's I know nothing (politicians keep telling me)..

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Less, despite your bad 1960's education, you have had a full life and the experiences you have had have taught you to look critically at how these 'elite'(self determined) see their role in meddling with our lives.
Politicians do not go into politics to benefit the electors(though they might want you to think that they have our interests at heart) they go into politics for their own agenda.
They tell us what they think will buy our vote for them, with no intention of keeping any promises made.
There are very very few politicians that I have any respect for....Frank Field is the only one that I can bring to mind.

They do it purely and simply because they CAN!

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i am in the same boat as well. the trouble with our politicians is that they seem a different animal to the ones we had in the 60,s and before. some like my friend blair come over more like a dodgy used car salesmen than their predicessors did.

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I think you're being unfair to dodgy used car salesmen comparing them with Bliar.

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Tony Blair is the slime that a slug leaves behind.

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Quite right, a dodgy car salesman if caught doing something illegal can be prosecuted, the other guy is above the law and will always be protected from justice.

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Nope, the slime from a slug does no harm whereas his WMD's killed many even though they didn't exist!

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Yes Less...right again.
But slug slime is repugnant and useless(unless you are a slug that is.....snail slime is supposed to be good for the skin, but I have not heard that slug slime has the same attributes)...it lets you know you have had an unwelcome visitor that may have taken stuff from you(lettuce, cabbage, green shoots of new plants) and it gets you reaching for the salt.
Alas, the odious Tony Blair has proved more difficult to deter.

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That this man is protected from justice will irk me until the day he dies.
It just shows that justice is not available to the common man....it catches the small flies, but the large ones break through unharmed.

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british justice is the best in the world as long as you can afford it.

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That should be in 'best quote ever' thread.

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On Good Morning Britain this morning their was a poll that suggested that the population, if asked the question on the referendum paper would have voted by 57%to 43% to stay in the EU.
This poll was conducted by Survation.
What GMB failed to tell their viewers was that this poll sampled only 1022 participants and it was an online only survey.

So folks out there....do not take on face value what the media has to say in respect of important issues.

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Oh yes...Survation are a 'creative and innovative market research company'...their words.
There are lies, damned lies then there are misleading market research polls.

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Well i have spoke to many people, not as many as them though, some were remainers some leavers and over 90% of all said they would vote Leave in a second referendum, a few did say they voted once but NOT vote again.

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Like you Cashy, I speak to a fair number of people...none of those who voted leave(in my circle of acquaintances) would change their vote....but some who voted remain now say that because of how those EU 'negotiations' have been conducted and the bullying tactics used, if they had a second chance to vote, they would now vote 'leave'.

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The remain camp are constantly telling us that lots of people have changed their minds about Brexit. What makes them so certain that the shift is from leave to remain? As I see it, remain voters will vote the same as they did before, leave voters will not have changed their minds as we want out because of the corrupt EU not because we hate foreigners and those who are still on the fence, by the law of averages will spread their votes evenly across, leave, remain and ballot papers with willies drawn on them.

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I can only go off those people in my circle of acquaintances...but I object to media sources having a poll...using only a very small sample and trumpeting the result without telling everyone that it was an online poll of only 1022 participants.

It is bogus and means nothing, but it undermines the 'negotiations'(more like stone walling to me) that are in progress....it plays into the hands of those EU snakes.
Stoking divisions is just up their street.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1214422] I object to media sources having a poll...using only a very small sample and trumpeting the result without telling everyone that it was an online poll of only 1022 participants.

they will do anything to promote their agenda.

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The few hard core remainers are getting really Pathetic now in my view, according to the news approx 100,000 are marching in London today, excuse me but aint their 60 Million approx live here? they are that stupid they dont realise how ridiculous they look, also if they know what damage they could inflict on negotiations then they should be fined. a load of pillocks imho.:rolleyes:

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Wonder who's paying for this March of the Moaners? Police and stewards, placards, refreshments, buses, cleaning-up.... Some billionaire Hungarian who got rich simply betting against the British £ when it was stupidly tied to the ERM by a bunch of Europhile politicians, by any chance?
S'funny, 'foreign' money seems not a problem if it funds a day out in the sun for the Remoaners.

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thing is cashy they will never give up. too many politicians about who they can grab hold of their shirt tails to do anything to stop brexit. speaking to pro europeans i just cannot see where they are coming from. think the brainwashing media machine have certainly won em over.

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They will have to give up,when we finally leave the damn thing,? thing is when entry was voted for and we went in, It was the Common Market, a Trading place only we were told. most of those dickheads marching yesterday, have NO conception of that fact, they weren't even born.:rolleyes: Also can you remember any big protests over entry? i can't cos accepted democracy in those days, these prats dont even know what that is!!

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Maybe there were a 100,000...maybe the figures are media hype.
Whatever it was, 17.4 million voted to leave...that is NOT an estimate.
That is fact.

What I want to know is,that over the last two years,where have these people been when the vindictive, bullying Barnier and the vengeful Verhofstad have been spewing their bile against the people of this island?
Have they been deaf to the threats that these stone wallers have issued against Britain, for having the gall and temerity....the cojones to think of leaving???

Do they not see that we are not welcome in their club....other than we provide a very large chunk of their (currently unaudited) finances.

If we had been as important as an ally as they make out, then more effort would have been given to making sure that staying in the EU was an attractive prospect.
That they haven't made the effort says a lot.
Why cross oceans for an organisation that would not jump a puddle for us?

Do these people live on the moon?
Are they really saying that they want to be the 'serfs' of the undemocratic organisation that is the EU.

Looking at many of these protesters, not many of them have known anything else other than the shackles of the EU.
The vote was to leave....and I hope that is what we do....no single market (with all the strings attached) no customs union....no free movement.
Just OUT....shut the door, tell them we are done.

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The simple fact is Margaret they are STUPID

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Well, I don't like to use that term...I just don't understand their thought processes.
Maybe they are gullible, easily duped.
Just as we were duped when we were taken into the Common Market.
There was no mention of anything other than trade, no hint of monetary or political union.
Up until now we have not been allowed to make our thoughts felt.
Now we have....and tha majority voted to leave.
Democracy says that is what has to happen...Anything Less is a betrayal of democracy and of the electorate.

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Gullible @ Duped means Stupid in my world, summat i have been myself occasionally.

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I think that when we are young it is relatively easy to be taken in because we do not have enough experience of life...of being let down by people in authority.
Many of the folk on this protest appeared to fall into that category.
If, however, you get to our ripe years and you have not developed some kind of radar that detects the guff that the media and politicians like to feed us...then that Cashy, is STUPID with a capital Stew.
We all know that they are out for their own ends....we have seen their promises broken more times than we have been to sleep.
I know that when I am faced with something that looks or sounds bogus....I ask myself why they are feeding me this crap. What is their agenda, and why are they trying to bamboozle me...the answer is nearly always because they have their own agenda....and think they can(bamboozle me, that is)
Likewise, I am sceptical of news stories....some folk read the headline without bothering to read the meat of it....and then will believe that headline.

This is not to say that at some point we may both slip our moorings and go back to gullible...but I kind of hope we don't.

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Hmm, gullible what a word, there used to be a tame joke several years ago that went along these lines:-

Do you know the word gullible is the only one not defined in the English dictionary?

Really says the gullible one.

Yes it's true, if you don't believe me look it up.

Old gullible would come back later and claim you to be wrong, they'd found it.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1214501]I think that when we are young it is relatively easy to be taken in because we do not have enough experience of life...of being let down by people in authority.

you have hit the nail on its remaining head there margaret. you actually believed politicians, schoolteachers and parents when you were young and took all their views as gospel. then you grew up.

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A decent man steps down because of DisMay & her petulant attitude, there were also two others



https://www.breitbart.com/london/201...s-own-country/


DisMay needs to go now! And according to the rumour mill the 1922 committee is getting a fair bit of mail, the sooner the useless mare is gone the better, but the replacement MUST be an out & out Brexiteer!

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I agree Dave she was always a bull****ting remainer,imho, trouble is who is going to get us out of this damn thing? too many after lining their own pockets to get it through i think.:eek:

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it will happen cashy but still not in the way we voted for. that is the problem for as i see it we will be only out of the club in name only and all the rubbish the EU has given us will continue. brown envelopes all around.

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So, after two wasted years of dissembling, May has finally revealed herself to be just another lying politician.
Don't know what the Leavers in the Tory party now have to lose. If May an Hammond get their way the UK will become even more enslaved to the Holy Roman EU, but the Tories will be decimated at the next election.
Might as well go for an internal coup now and get her out as May really must be delusional if, at the next election, she thinks that those 'old, stupid, racist' (BBC sic) Tory voters who also voted leave will forget and forgive her betrayal.

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The proposals made at the Chequers meeting would NEVER be acceptable to those so called negotiators at the EU....so we would have ended up with a 'no deal' situation.

Who is there that could be trusted to govern if TM is unseated?
I cannot see anyone that I would trust.
All that said, I do think that David Davis was left with very little choice.
I could not sign up to something that went against my principles.

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No Deal to me is much better than this load of crap, but doubt very much if they mean it.:(

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Margaret, you're right.
The inevitable (if not deliberate) diminishing of Parliament since the political rise of the EU and the 'federalisation' of the UK under both main parties has left Parliament little better than a glorified English County Council. No wonder there are so many paltry politicians.
But the worrying question is not who is there to govern but exactly what will they be governing if, as seems increasingly likely, May and her Quisling civil service renege on what the British electorate voted for.

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Boris has also resigned they should remove T.M. pretty damn quick. and appoint one of the Leavers, nobody can do a worse job than May. simple as.

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Two years on, I'm getting a little weary and confused.

I seem to remember voting stay or leave being the choice, the majority voted leave, when did that choice get watered down to begging the EU to let us leave nicely?

That perhaps should have been a third choice on the ballot sheet?

As it is I want to stick by my guns and I hope other leave voters are the same, (we are leavers not brexiters like the press have branded us).
We leave and let the continent struggle on its own, they need us more than we need them.
Otherwise they wouldn't make it so difficult would they?

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I am with you on that one Less.
I am a leaver too...not a Brexiteer....and I do not like the way those in the elite use this term sneeringly to criticise our choice. Implying that we have the brains of a goldfish.

It is the civil servants(who never wanted to leave the EU anyway) who determine policy....not as we might believe, politicians.
These civil servants are NOT elected....they work for the government in power...regardless of who that is....so it begs the question....
Why do we have elections?
Why do we have political parties.....
Why do we bother to vote at all if our vote makes so little difference?

The proposals put forward at Chequers would not have got us any kind of deal in the EU....because there IS NO DEAL to be had....that has been crystal clear from the outset.

This means that we pay nothing and leave with no customs agreement, no single market.
To me, that is preferable than a deal which ties us to the EU as a feudal state in perpetuity.

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Why indeed? i wonder the same,

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There are some that may say the above is a rather simplistic point of view, I would agree with them, the reason it's simplistic is simple, we were offered stay or leave, had the powers that be any fore site and considered that the vote might have gone the way it did, no doubt they would have found a way not to offer us this choice in the first place, because, as has been proven over the last two years, they had no plans put into place in case this was the result.

They expected a nice little whimpering STAY from the electorate, this has given them pause for thought and left them wondering what on Earth can they do?

Well I think two years is long enough for a pause, if they haven't got an idea together it's time for them all to go.

Give us a general election with truthful manifesto's about how we are going to say screw you EU this is us and we'll find other markets to deal with, (just like so many citizens of Accrington now go to Bury or Burnley markets rather than put up with a poor show at home).

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We've been over this point far to often & nothing has changed! every likely candidate has some deficiency & will not suit all the people or all their views. At the present juncture that's damned inconvenient but not insurmountable, right here & now we need a hardnosed, arrogant, aggressive singleminded authoritarian B'stard whose mandate should be clear & simple, we want out now, no ties no quibbles or compromise, get it done now & have us walking by the week-end!


All the other shiite can wait, clear this & the rest will fall into place. Sounds to simplistic? Not really, if there's a determined will, there's a way, proper governments elsewhere are showing the way, their peple have got issues their govt listens & things get done. Italy-Salvini or Hungary-Orban. Mind you, they've got politicoes with clunking great brass nads whereas us .... :mad:

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Yes...I know son...and you have outlined the kind of person who would go and kick the bejasus out of JCJ....MB....and maybe even the Tusk guy.
But. Who is this person you describe....I cannot see him or her. I cannot see anyone who even vaguely approximates to what is required.

To be totally honest.....if David Davis had hung onto his hat....and Boris too.....there would not be a snowflakes chance in hell of TM getting her proposals through the final stages of negotiations.....because those in the position of negotiators do NOT want to negotiate....they never have and they never will.
Whatever the UK comes up with it will not meet with anything near approval because they want to see the UK walk off the cliff...they really want us to fail...and fail spectacularly.

It is grinding their nuts that we have not suffered trade losses and that our finances are beating what the doom mongers predicted.
So, if these chaps had held their nerve then our position would have been much stronger.
But hey, I get principles...but sometimes they cost too dear.

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The other thing is....that if the government are overthrown it leaves the door wide open to that Commie Corbyn....and believe me things would be a damn sight worse under his malign rule...we really would slide down the gurgler.

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I was with you all the way, I would have been perfect, really prepared to take on the job, tell the lot of them where they can go, what they could stick up their brexit how far and how hard it should be pushed and would have even given a hand making sure it was placed into the perfect position, but...

I don't work week-ends.

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Oh Less....you are a star!
Thank you for turning my frown upside down.
All this is getting too, too tedious.
My simple response would be to go to Brussels, tell them what was on offer, if they wanted it then they needed to get their ducks in a row...If not then we would be leaving on the aforementioned date, there would be no cash from that point on, no trade agreements and no free movement....then I would turn and walk....making sure the door was firmly slammed behind me.
There would be no....'well, we'll give you this, or that' or any damn thing else.
And just watch them come after me.
Play hard ball with their balls(the game sort of course).

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No...I don't work week ends nor do I do European travel either!

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Maybe it's time we did both?

European travel in a few tanks and do it at a week-end when all their know all bosses are having time off?

Let's face it, they wouldn't dare stop us until they got the correct paperwork!


https://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/39/265/large_000000.jpg

P.S. that is me, the older I get the more like monty I look, which is strange because when I was born I was supposedly ugly enough to look like Churchill!

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I like the cut of your tank.....but didn't we haul their sorry a$$es out of the mire in the past?
This is how they repay their allies. All is forgotten...except the debt they THINK we owe them....nothing said about their moral debt to the UK.
But then we aren't supposed to mention the war are we??
I never did trust those on the other side of the channel....especially the frogs.

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Wasn't one of the main members just a touch, maybe a little, slightly, not quite middle of the road and rather biased towards not being an Allie? However, that is enough about the French, let bygones be bygones.
;)

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Do do seem to remember reading somewhere that one of the Nazi back up plans was to stash a few gold bars here and there just in case things went whoopsie and invest them in creating a group of countries within Europe so that eventually they would still gain control.

Of course I dismissed the idea because my elders and betters said that they couldn't be so forward thinking, the common feeling was Nah, we wouldn't be fooled again.

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the worst thing is that the majority of us can do sod all about brexit. i hate whats going on at the moment but my memory is still fine. come the day any pro european comes up for election lets give em what they,ve been wanting, a big kick up the jacksy any chance we get.

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It will not make one jot of difference whatever we do....they are immune to anything we have in our arsenal.
While in politics these 'honourable members' make contingency plans, they network so that come the day they are booted out...they will still have more money than you can poke a stick at.
No one leaves politics a pauper.
Look at Tony Blair and those of his ilk...rolling in it they are....after dinner speakers, foreign envoys, writers of memoirs....all lucrative pursuits where there is no actual physical work done.
They do not know they are born.

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The cynical side of me (I know, I know....how can someone so sweet have a cynical side?)wonders if all the resignations, the brinkmanship is part of the plan to scupper any chance of leaving the EU in the way that electorate voted for.
I am sure that those who voted to leave meant leave entirely...not a Hokey Cokey leave, with one foot in, one foot out and absolutely no say over what happens and into this bargain is that we STILL pay our good hard earned cash.

Maybe the meeting at Chequers was NOT to plan policy, to brink the doom mongers to heel...Maybe it was to plan a nefarious route to keep us hand cuffed to Brussels forever.

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To quote the modern philosopher Joe Walsh:

"I go to parties
Sometimes until four.
It's hard to leave
When you can't find the door."

(From "Life's been good to me so far")