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In 2020 there are some very significant changes that will be forced on Members.
Adopting the Euro as currency will be mandatory.
There will be harmonisation of fiscal policies and closer political affiliation, an EU military force is proposed too.
So, yes...by the next election I think it might just be too late.
Read about some of the changes here.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-the-euro.html

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Glad you like it Cashy.
The thing is....I object to people like our current representatives questioning my educational standards and my ability for rational thought and critical analysis.
I have a brain which I use for fear of it rusting away....BUT...and it is a big but.
You can only ever make informed choices if you are armed with unbiased information....and believe me, this is not easy to locate.

Now we both know that some folk vote with their gut feeling....and some people seek out as much information as possible.
I do both.

When I see M. Barnier and JcJuncker rubbing their hands and smiling like the crocodiles they are...to me that stinks.
It does not mean a good deal for us...it means we are hooked and landed and the cook is preparing the Hollandaise sauce to serve with our balls.

This has been a fiasco from start to finish....and I think my Dom Perignon (vintage) will be staying corked up for the foreseeable future.
They may have to pour it on my grave!

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It is all a bit scary....we are just going to be a district in the United States of Europe.....and unless we leave at the end of March without delay....we are stuffed.

The Lisbon treaty is deliberately obtuse and difficult to make sense of.
The political elite do not WANT us to be informed of these things....they want to sleep walk us into this morass of rules and regulations over which we will have zero power.

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It must be a cheaper way of World domination than what Hitler tried.

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AND so, we can finally close this thread because of Godwins law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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now there will be moves to delay Brexit.
Why?
There is never ever going to be any kind of meaningful negotiation on the part of the EU....basically because they do not want to lose the revenue we provide.

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Plus they dont want any others to leave.;)

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Is it just me, but there was only one deal that the EU accepted which was TM's deal, which has now been rejected twice....????

Next vote is on no deal brexit, surely by voting against the deal it leaves only no deal. because there is only one deal on offer from the UK that the EU has accepted? Or is that far too simple.

After that is a delay vote..... Which still doesn't get around the fact that the EU has accepted the deal the UK proposed, which can't be changed.....

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plus so many of our MP,s will do anything to keep us in the EU no matter what for various reasons and i imagine for their own financial reasons for some. always said i,ll believe we are out when it actually happens and somehow i think i,m going to be right.

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There is word going around some of the media that Viktor Orban, Hyngarian PM will veto any extension agreement - he wants to prove that there is a way out of the EU.

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Nigel Farage has also been going around trying to get one country to veto any extension..... and still the Brexit drama drags on....

Apparently the no deal Brexit isn't law, rather an indication of how parliament feels about it, but they voted for taking a no deal of the table, the PM said (rather croakily) that the default, if a deal can't be ratified, is that we will leave on the 29th with no deal in place.

There's a vote tomorrow to see if article 50 should be extended... to be honest I can't see the point, we're no closer than we where last dec or when the first vote on the deal took place.

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I am hoping that Nigel Farage can persuade either Hungary, Poland Or Italy, to VETO the extension to leave.

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i can see the point as it extends our stay in the EU a little longer to give the majority of our MP,s the chance to use everything at their disposal to keep us in wether we like it or whichever way we voted.

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A delay will also cost us £1 billion pounds per month....so that is a good reason not to delay our departure.
There is NO point....if we cannot sort things out in more than two years....then why would two months make a difference?
The answer is...it wouldn't...the whole negotiation(what a laughable term when dealing with the EU) situation has been nothing more than a convoluted exercise designed to let us think our opinions mattered and that our votes were being taken seriously.
What a great big scam.

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If yeh read todays Observor our own M.P.s thoughts on this are nothing more than disgraceful, seems he wants a second peoples vote, i used to have a lot of time for G.J. now i have none at all.

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I am with you Cashy, Democracy, Where?, it died in 2016

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No, it died well before 2016 when Thatcher and Major got the UK embroiled in “an ever closer union” whilst lying to the British public.

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Well, MPs have voted by a majority of 211 to seek delay to EU departure, however the extension has to be at the unanimous agreement of all EU states.

Interesting to see the figures on how MP's voted:

For extending Article 50:
Lab: 236
Con: 111
Others: 55

Against:
Con: 187
DUP: 10
Lab: 3
Ind: 1

Did not vote: 28

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That plainly demonstrates how unfit these people are too represent the public

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What point an extension?
The deal was rotten last week, it is rotten this week and will be rotten in two years time.....and hoping for any changes on the EU side are deluded.
There will be no leeway given by these people....they have NOT negotiated anything....and will not negotiate anything.
They have just said this is what is on the table...take it or leave it....and our answer to this should be.....we will leave it...and you can whistle for your 39 billion quid.

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I think we are in need of an Oliver, as Cromwell said you've become intolerably odious to the whole nation, In the name of God, go!

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1225524]What point an extension?
The deal was rotten last week, it is rotten this week and will be rotten in two years time.....and hoping for any changes on the EU side are deluded.

best we,ll get is that they,ll re word the thing and put commas in different places. the thing is margaret you and most of us who want out do not like the deal and all those remainers do not like it obviously so therefore it will never get passed.

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Well, can only hope that is the case.
Let's get out on the 29 th of March....that is the default position unless they can get an act of Parliament through between now and then to stop it.
I hope members of the EU veto any extension.

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The bitch has said there could be NO BREXIT if her crap deal is not passed,i'm near certain thats what she really wants!

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If her deal does not gain acceptance then my understanding is that we leave 29th March unless article 50 is revoked or extended.
It would require an act of Parliament to do anything else....and I don't think there is time....not even if the house sits 24 hrs a day til then.

An extension of the deadline would take agreement by ALL current members of the EU.....and Poland has said it will veto any request for an extension....just to prove it is possible to leave the EU.

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I am far from convinced anyone will veto. hope i am wrong,

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It's what she's wanted all along Cashy, no doubt about it in my mind

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it isn,t just her its the majority of em who are supposed to represent us and not themselves. wonder what lies they,ll all come up next general election when the actually want us.

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Well aware its not just her, but shes the P.M. who has told Bare Faced Lies to the electorate.

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And her reward will be a generous pension, paid by the British tax payers, personal security for life to protect her from the British tax payers, and, no doubt, a gong and a warm bench in the Lords where she can continue to dither well past the point that senility kicks in.

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I said nearly 3 year ago the referendum was a load of crap, Bitcha May has proved me right, asking for an extension? none of those Barstewards think the public should get what they voted for, Despite all the false promises, Democracy is FINISHED as far as i'm concerned!!

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Cashy, what did you expect with the snakes who are currently in the Houses of Parliament.
And did you see that arch snake TB on GMB yesterday morning?
A bigger liar than Tom Pepper, pontificating on what He thinks should happen....he knows full well that he has been in cahoots with those who pull the strings in Brussels.

It is very very hard to defeat an enemy that has outposts in the heart of what is supposed to be democracy.
For instance our own representative is representing who exactly?
Not his constituents because 66.2 per cent of those voted to LEAVE THE EU.

John Bercow is supposed to be impartial....but he has shown himself to be anything but.

All that said, it would not matter how many times the rotten to the core....Brexit in name only is taken back to the house to be voted on....nothing in the deal has changed....and
a bad deal( one where you see them in Brussels rubbing their hands and smiling) is ALWAYS GOING TO BE A BAD DEAL.

I truly hope that they deny us any extension to article 50....that is our only hope of ever being free.

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In the Observer today....our illustrious (NOT) representative has a letter published....talking about....would you believe it?
HONESTY.
Honesty and the name of our MPDo not belong in the same sentence.
Someone on the internet has obviously rattled him with their comment....so much so he is defending his honour in the 'local' rag.

At the end of the letter he says he has had lots of correspondence from his constituents....you know those people who,put him where he is....and PAY his salary through their taxes....telling him that this deal proposed is NOT a good one...but that he will continue to vote,against the wishes of his constituents and support the deal with his vote.

This is because this deal leaves us tied into the EU in all but name.

Remember this the next time you need to put a cross in a box for a person to represent you

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I will never forget his antics during this Brexit. simple as.:(

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I no longer buy the Observer, tried to reach their web site, keep getting diverted to a site called 'lancs live' so will not have the pleasure of reading his latest missive.

It must have been you or cashy that upset him with the truth, what a shame he doesn't have the gonads to come back on site and answer the many questions that he used to duck under and ignore when he did post his own style of 'honesty' on here.

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Also the media and M.P.s are playing hell oer Teresa Mays comments last night, well from where i'm standing she is 100% correct, most people i talk too blame M.P.s also Sky did a poll and 90% blame them also the figure is unprecedented in polls, but M.P.s are still too arrogant to accept the public view, nothing changed there is there?ok the deal seems crap, but bottom line is they mostly want to remain.

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Well written Cashman, Totally agree with your comment

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I can’t see how anyone can absolve Theresa May from this debacle, she is the one the has been instrumental in negotiation’s for the deal that’s on offer, she is the one that has engineered this impasse by pursuing this despicable deal, she is the one that said Brexit means Brexit and we will leave on the 29th of March, she is the one that forced ministers who believed in Brexit to resign,

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Its not a matter of absolving the bitch, NO leader coulda done it with most M.Ps wanting remain,

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No I cannot take the credit for his ire.
There is a virtual storm of comment on Twitter that are negative about his 'honesty'....now I do not do twitter, but my daughter does and she tells me what is being said....none of it is complimentary.
I am also sure he is being slated in other social media too.

If all these people are saying the same thing....then does it not occur to our representative that this is how he is perceived and as far as we are concerned it is US who are being honest....while he is NOT.

This has provoked this response from him.
If I get half a minute later today I will scan the article and send it to you Less....not sure if posting it would be breaching any forum rules.

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I do not agree with this at all.

Firstly, you cannot negotiate with any organisation that does not show any signs of negotiating skills....the EU do not want us to leave....they will lose a huge chink of money in contributions if we do leave....this black hole will have to be funded by the remaining countries.....so while they do not want us to leave....they have made NO effort to ensure that we stay(bullying, intimidating, humiliating our politicians does NOT count as effort.

Secondly, whoever had been in power would have had the same problems.
This is because the majority of MP's do not give a flying fig for what their electorate want.
They have their eye on the main prize....which is a healthy salary for being in what has become purely a 'talking shop'....they have become used to rubber stamping rules and edicts issued from the Brussels mob(who have even less interest in the population of this country than our MP's....well as long as we keep coughing up with the money.

Thirdly, much has been done by the media, big business et al to try to reverse the will of a democratic vote.

Accybeme, I respect your opinion, but if you really want to find someone to Blame, then you should be pointing the finger at John Major....he is the one who should have asked us if we wanted to be a parish of the United States of Europe....before he signed the Maastricht Treaty which took the UK into what was to become, NOT a trading organisation, but an organisation whose aim was to ensure closer political and economic union.

And come 2020....if we are not OUT then the brown stuff will hit the fan.
We will be dragged into the Schengen Zone, we will have to give up Sterling for the Euro(we have two years grace to do this) we will have to support a European Military force, all rulings from the European court of Justice will supersede any current UK laws....and much much more that I find untenable.

And if you have read all of that you deserve a putty medal.

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Don't remember anything against the rules, in fact the greatly missed Admin Mick would scan and post for people that didn't have the wherewithall to do it for themselves.:)

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Well then Less...you are on...watch this space.
As for buying the Observer...I would give it up in a heartbeat, by my old feller likes to read the obits....not sure if that is just to make sure he is still above the sod.:)

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That's my girl publish and be damned, (or in this case copy etc, etc,).

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its the same when i was a union secretary. many things were voted for that i did not agree with but my job was to fight for the majority and not just for myself. i was voted in like all local MP,s are but i hope many of them have had their chance due to their actions.

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I was T&GWU Branch Chairman for 20 years and worked the same way as you.

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there you go Less...you might need a magnifying glass to read it...
I will look at other ways of letting folk who don't buy the observer see it.

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personally, I think he has more neck than a giraffe.

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That was fine thank you, though if others find it small they can right click on it, then open in new window, it will appear with a magnifying glass click on that it will be big enough (or else you will have to copy a braille version for them).

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Yes, I had quite forgotten that facility Less.

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Another thing that must be said, If anyone thought we were going to get a good deal, when the E.U. were going to teach us a lesson for having the temerity to leave, and they knew most M.P.s wanted to Remain, then they are dafter than i thought!

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There is a picture in the press of Juncker and Barnier(I think) giving each other high fives....so what does that convey to you?
It says to me they think we are screwed....and that is a good enough reason not to accept this rotten deal(it is not like a good cheese...it won't get better with keeping)....because it can only get worse.

They are talking about revoking article 50....but I thought that would require an act of Parliament(I hope that is correct) no way should we be staying in the EU given the way we have been treated by them.

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To me the only sensible way is to leave with NO DEAL. But doubt that very much.

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A bunch of celebs have set up a petition that has a million signatures that asks the government to revoke Article 50....of course the inlclude a lot of left leaning loonies.....but also there is some stink of fish to this petition, it looks like some of the signatories are in Nth Korea and Afghanistan.

Still, 1 million does not trump 17.4 million.

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The Remoaners had 4 million ‘sign’ a petition in June 2016 for a ‘second referendum, but later it was discovered quite a few thousand were from Bots.

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I have just looked at the signatories and it seems that most MP's have signed this....and if it is Kosher....this includes our 'honest' #chocolate teapot MP.
I have also noted that many of the signatures are from places as far afield as Cambodia, and Argentina.

This is democracy in action....no debate on the petition regarding leaving without accepting this crap deal.....that said....I can't see there being time to do anything about this petition either

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Dont celebs just make yeh sick? they know damn well dickheads will follow there every wish, makes me feel like throwing up.

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If they like The EU so much then let them move to Europe.

They see themselves as socialists....for the working man, the oppressed, but yet they want to stay in an organisation that is rich, ruled by elite, oppressors of poorer members, suit wearing white men....it just does not compute does it?

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I have just read people in Russia, Saudi Arabia, Poland etc etc etc have been signing that petition, if that is correct itslike i say, dickheads everywhere will sign when celebs put summat forward.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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And still the Brexit farce rumbles on.... The PM asked for an extension to June 20th, the EU said no to that unless the UK took part in the European Elections. A couple of dates are being bandied about: 7th May and 22nd May on condition the the deal is passed by the UK Gov.

The speaker of the house also ruled that MP's can't keep voting on basically the same deal....

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The latest:

"The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week.

"If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the UK to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council."

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I've honestly got to the stage where I really don't care which way this goes,just bloody get on with it & stop this ridiculous fully dallying - the whole things been a shambles from word go & has done nothing but make Great Britain a total laughing stock

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I think that most people will probably be feeling the same....as for making GB look like a laughing stock....I think this has just shown what a miserably poor set of representatives we have pretending to govern and provide an opposition.
Many of us have been saying that these men and women are not worth their corn....but now we have concrete proof.
The whole lot of them need replacing with bloody robots.

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All this farce has proved to me is the FACT most M.P.s from ALL Parties are unfit to do the job, simple as!and the DO NOT represent the Public.

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[QUOTE=cashman; dickheads everywhere will sign when celebs put summat forward.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

this so called celeb thing really gets my goat. the thing is i do not know who most of them are. they might be celebs to some but they are{put your own words in here** to me and their views are of even worse value.

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The problem with celebs is they see themselves as
1) above the law
2) better than the hoi polloi
3)they think they know better than us....so they feel obliged to give us their opinions.
4) they know that those who can see far better than they can think, will swallow their every word and slavishly follow their lead.

All these celebs are not adversely affected by being in the EU....they send their children to private schools....live in secure compounds, can pay for any medical or dental care that they might need....and if things get really rough they have the money and influence to migrate to somewhere else.
Many of these luvvies are 'virtue signalling' believing their stance is one that benefits the lower socioeconomic economic groups.

They will get a helluva shock if Jezza gets into number ten....they'll be singing different tunes whe he soaks them for tax....except....erm, they won't because most of these have accounts offshore to avoid paying taxes.

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It seems that MPs are to be given votes on 7 options to see what way forward would be supported.
I am sure Im not alone in feeling angry and amazed that after 2 years of so called negotiation, we still do not have an exit plan and MPs are having to be asked what they think.
Mark

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Surely the time for asking MP's what they think is long past and pretty pointless now.

TM's deal is the only one on offer that the EU will accept and it's been voted down twice
A No Deal Brexit has also been voted down

I think a longer extension to Article 50 or revoking it completely would be a betrayal of democracy that wouldn't go down well at all. Same with another referendum, we voted in the majority to leave, so MP's have a duty to deliver that.

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The problem being that those MP's do not feel that we should have been trusted with this vote.
They did not think we had the collective brains to make appropriate choices(appropriate in their view, that is)
They seem to think they are in the Palace of Westminster to express their own views....exercise only their own agenda...which does not include Leaving the EU.
They did not believe we would vote to leave....it was a shock to them.

They have got a bit rusty when it comes to 'thinking....when it comes to the nuts and bolts of governing and being an effective opposition.
They are not fit for purpose.

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Agree with your sentiments, Ryewolf, but a No Deal (sic) has not been voted down. In the absence of our beloved representatives eating their own sick and opting to support May’s so-called deal, all that has happened is a bunch of duplicitous and/or dithering MPs have ‘voted’ to advise that THEY don’t want what they call a No Deal.
These are the same MPs who stood on manifestos to enact the results of the 2016 referendum and just about the first thing they did when they settled back into those cushioned green benches, by a massive majority, was to vote to leave on March 29th.
If the metropolitan Remoaners succeed in their aim and think that 17.4 million leave voters will simply forget about it and go away, they’re delusional.
If the UK remains in the EU or becomes a vassal of the EU under May’s treachery, this issue will replace the right/left division in politics for years to come.
There’s already a new party (SDP - an unfortunate acronym for those of us with memories, but not that old lot, check it out) that is pro-Brexit, in addition to whatever Farage can cobble together.
A clean break under WTO terms is now the only way forward.
https://sdp.org.uk/

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I totally agree with that sentence above.
I think most of us who voted believed that this would be the outcome.
It was fairly clear from the start that the EU would never negotiate anything worth having.
It should have been our negotiators going along to Brussels with a list of our requests, telling them to give us a bell when they had decided and if they were not going to come up with the goods....then we walk away...pay nothing.

This current 2month extension (if it proves to be that) is going to cost us 2billion quid....and for what....so that Macron, Tusk, et al can have their pictures taken ridiculing our PM.
This is not how adults behave to one another....regardless of what you think of a PM it is downright undiplomatic.

It should MEVER EVER be about what the MP's want....unless of course their wants are aligned to those the represent....it should be about what they were elected to do(in return for a healthy 80k salary).

It seems to me that these worthless people have reached their level of incompetence.
#notfitfor purpose.

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Thing is the referendum slip asked us simply Leave Or Remain. the public Voted Leave simple as, was no mention of a deal of any kind, so Leave we should. but our Reps think we are too stupid to make that decision.

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think its as much to do of them not agreeing with the majority plus there are many who agree with them. its an issue that will split the country for years ahead no matter what happens in the end.

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It wont split anyone who holds democracy dear. it demonstrates perfectly how many plebs do not.

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Before the 2016 referendum a friend of mine who was (and still is pro Europe (a strange term, I'm not anti Europe I'm anti EU)) would argue that exit would ruin the Country and because he works abroad quite alot of his employment.

As soon as the results were in he jumped on the bandwagon and started claiming that the result was all the fault of the ill-educated.

After two years of non decision and down right lies, he is still wanting to stay in but he does now say that to remain under the circumstances that have been developed would be the most undemocratic result in British history.

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I do not 'get' why anyone who has followed the wrangling that have gone on.....that have seen the flagrant disregard for courtesy(by the EU negotiators) would want to be part of this undemocratic organisation.


Also, I think that many who voted to stay in the EU do not realise that come 2020 we would be forced to be in the Schengen zone, we would be forced to renounce Sterling, accept all the rulings of the ECJ because it would hold supreme power....parliament would have about as much power as a parish council and we would become a vassal state of the United States of Euro
We would cease to be in control of our own country and its affairs.
How undemocratic.....and don't tell me we have a vote, because this vote is so pathetic, it means nothing...our vote in the past has changed nothing in the EU.
How very unpatriotic of those who would subvert the will of the people.

I face the future full of despair.

Like you Less I am not anti Europe, but I detest the Eu and all it stands for with every fibre of my body.
I want to be OUT.

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No-one i know is anti europe anti E.U. yep.

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Seems they are trying to remove May, to be sure the purpose of that is simply to Delay Brexit even more or even prevent it from happening its not rocket science.:rolleyes: Those M.P.s should be sacked PDQ, wether May is weak or not, they obviously do not give a stuff about the referendum vote.

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This is not a good time for changing political leaders....regardless of what you think of the efforts of the PM.
I think is is just a ploy to thwart our exit altogether.....and do these politicians realise what that would mean to those who voted to leave.

There were supposed to be a million people in London yesterday protesting and asking for article 50 to be revoked.

Much of this is propaganda PAID for by those who want to be ruled by faceless Brussels bureaucrats.
They do not any consideration for the 17.4 million who voted to leave and they have less consideration for democracy.

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There was approx 100 thousand in that march the media are doing their best to swing brexit away.

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The Media are using the wrong language when they talk about Brexit.
For instance Sky news(remainer influenced of course like the Beeb) they have a banner at the foot of the screen which proclaims 'Brexit Crisis'.....even before it was a crisis.
It should be reading 'Brexit Update'....far less drama in those words.
Words DO make a difference to how things are perceived.
The newspaper catastrophes every little thing about the situation....the put forward scenarios,they tell us how it is going to be.....but yet NONE of them know how a Situation like this will work out.
They make leaving without taking this rotten to the core deal sound like we will be hanging ourselves.....YET IT HAS NOT BEEN DONE BEFORE.
So how do they know.
All the experts have been wrong so far.

I am just glad that we did not have politicians like this in 1939...we would all be goose stepping and speaking German now.
Load of tosspots....not fit for purpose...could not run a pie stall.

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Now, now, I know a pie stall operator and she isn't a tosspot, though, if you ask her who ate all the pies, she won't give you a definitive answer, I think she has ambitions to be a politician!

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I have to say I'm now officially Brexit fatigued..... and from some of the posts I've seen around the interweb I'm not the only one.

All these MP's talking about soft or hard Brexits, extending or revoking Article 50, a second referendum or General Elections are just adding to the confusion and farce that's been going on for well over a 1000 days now. The time for these indicative votes (which aren't binding) has long gone and should have been done from the outset.

There is only one deal agreed upon and that's the Withdrawal Deal that the PM took to the EU, the default position is if it isn't ratified by the UK Government, then we go to a No-Deal Brexit.

I watched a bit of the debates last night, there seemed to be more uproar about the Speaker of the House calling an ex Whip "not a very good one" than there was about actually dealing with the fact that in just over 2 weeks we would leave the EU with no deal.

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Tosspots....the lot of them.
Unprincipled tosspots.

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The fabric* of the Palace of Westminster is currently being repaired and parts of the building are covered in scaffolding which in turn is covered in coloured plastic sheeting. They have been using a variety of colours for this sheeting, blue, red and green seem to have been popular. These colours seem to be quite commonly used for this purpose on building sites, often in hi-vis near ‘day glow’ shades presumably for health and safety reasons.

I find myself wondering if there is any significance in the fact that the shrouding around the entrance is now done with black**.

Perhaps it is a comment by the builders.
Perhaps it is at the request of broadcasters - to prevent any indication of bias in their interviews.
Perhaps it will change to white if the inmates ever reach a consensus.

* Some would argue that internal repairs are more urgent than external ones.
** The normal significance of this colour is well known

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Now we have MP's like BJ and JRM saying they will support The PM's deal.
Why? For goodness sake.....what difference does her offer to step down have on the deal she has been given(it was NEVER negotiated).
Nothing has changed regarding the terms of this rotten to the core deal.
There are also those in Parliament who are now saying that they will put into law the decisions made by the indicative votes.

These spineless, morally bankrupt, undemocratic MP's(two thirds are remainers) are betraying their constituents.
Even our own MP on a twitter feed says that there is not a majority in the North who now wish to leave the EU.
So out of touch, so self absorbed and so bloody useless.

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Have just heard on News Donald Tusk has instructed the 27, to back the British people who are calling for Brexit withdrawal or a second Referendum, probably been instructed by Teresa to do so.:rolleyes:

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Cashy do you mean he is supporting the people asking that article 50 be revoked?

They(the whole crew of them) are not to be trusted.
We voted to leave....that is what should be happening....no extension, no fiddle fiddling with cobbled together ideas....Canada...Norway....they do not mean we are OUT.


We voted. The vote was clear. The MAJORITY wanted to cut all ties with the EU.
NO customs Union, NO free movement, NO single market....those were the manifesto promises.

It appears to me that it is only democracy if you vote the way those on the gravy train believe is right.

That should not surprise me because for many many years I have been saying that democracy is just an illusion sold to the little people(those without influence) to make them believe that they can change things.
It has become clear that our votes mean nothing, are worth nothing and can change nothing.
It is money/power that has the say.

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yep sorry thought i,d made it clear?

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wasn't sure if you meant the withdrawal deal rather than article 50...though reading it back now it seems clear.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...British-public

This says it all and has come to pass.
The lily liveried, gutless politicians have been party to the biggest betrayal of sovereignty since 1066.
Our fathers and grandfathers gave their blood for us to be free...to determine our own fate....and politicians like Ted Heath and John Major have sold this (for shirt buttons) to those in Europe who have no thoughts for the British people.
What is worse, this was known, but hidden from the electorate....it was done deviously.

OUT! OUT! For God's sake get us Out....right out, not this Hokey Cokey a hole of a deal.

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our own M.P. has done absolutely nothing to comply with his electorates vote shamefully.

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Just reading that some MP's who voted against the withdrawal deal both times are now saying that they might now vote for TM's deal.

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Doubt very much it matters who voted for what. i think Brexit is truly knackered. we have been deceived and conned.

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It seems that the deal is now good for some MPs as the PM will go if it is passed. This is the shameful side of Brtiish politics when Party is more important than Còuntry. I am saddened by what we have come to
Mark

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I dont think yer on yer own mark many are including me.

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And me....they disgust me.
Our own MP had a signature on his twitter page....'Country before Club'....he has taken a lot of stick about this and he has now taken that signature off....because it was so fake.

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He is not fit for purpose, aka #DupeMP

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I voted for him (once) I was fool enough to believe he would put constituants before party, but I can console myself in the fact that I'm illeducated and according to him won't be able to understand the consequences if I was to be allowed to vote in a referendum.

Turns out he's absolutely right none of us expected this pile of doody that's been dropped on us by the commons mob.