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Joe, you don’t know just how wrong you’ve been.
I listen to a lot of BBC Radio 4 and, regrettably, have come to the conclusion that it is a political organ. I don’t mean just in what news it reports but also in all it’s output. Nearly every radio programme has a political slant, and it slants the same way.

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Which way?

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It seems the disillusionment of the EU by ordinary people is not confined to the UK...maybe people are waking up to the dictatorial ways that Brussels employs to keep 'club members' in line.
Not a second before time.

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Well France,Greece,Spain,Holland, Belgium, some people seem to be waking up to that fact, perhaps others also.

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The ECJ (court of justice what a joke) it’s just been shown to be a political tool of the corrupt EU, almost pleading for traitor Theresa May to scrap Brexit

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Yes, they are saying that we could just revoke Article 50.
They would love that.
There would be no need to look for how to plug the great gaping hole in their finances when we DO eventually leave.

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It’s laughable now.
While the Govt were dithering over whether to invoke Aticle 50 (it only took them 9 months) I’m sure I remember them being ‘warned’ by EU ‘experts’ that, once done, it couldn’t be revoked.

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Mmm, let me think about that.
Maybe appointing an ex Labour Party Minister, Blair acolyte, and ‘alleged’ expenses fiddler as Head of BBC radio gives a clue.

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For some time, the Prime Minister has insisted , quite rightly in my opinion that the result of the referendum should be followed through and UK should leave the EU on 29 March next year. She felt that democracy should be respected and that is what the people voted for. Again I am in total agreement with this.
Today, she informs Parliament that the "meaningful vote " on her deal would not happen tomorrow as it would most likely be significantly rejected. How does this fit in with democracy (which originates from the Greek demos and kratia, the power of the people). Today we have the power of one person who can disregard democracy if they are going to lose.

Mark

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Just reading the reports on this afternoons proceedings in Parliament and this made me smile.

Labour MP Peter Kyle asks whether it's true that no prime minister is better than a bad prime minister.
Mark

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She wants time to give away more concessions to the grinning loons in Brussels.....while they encourage her to see that revoking article 50 is quite feasible....desirable even....from their point of view that is.
Whatever gave you the idea that democracy would be respected Mark?
It is only respected when it meets with their idea of what is right....don't you know that we are far to thick to be able to understand such a complicated principle?

What a blooming dogs breakfast. I am ashamed to be British.

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As far as i'm concerned today displays perfectly the "Arrogance" of this bitch, everyone has virtually told her the deal is crap. shes insisted this vote will be tomorrow,and 24 hours before has cancelled, simply cos the penny has dropped, yet she has also always insisted No Deal,is better than a bad deal, yet is she gonna tell em that? is she hell as like, shes going back yon to try get some movement on the backstop, NOT to start re-negotiating, shes been full of crap from day 1, never once has she left it up to the brexit negotiator to try to get a reasonable deal, which is why they have all quit.

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Sitting here across the Atlantic watching the back and forth between Britain and the EU. Then between TM and TM (I am sure she is talking to herself...and arguing too)
I see a situation today best summed up by the Internet expression "W T F".

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;....while they encourage her to see that revoking article 50 is quite feasible....desirable even....from their point of view that is.


and that has always been the problem, its always been from their point of view yet some still do not grasp it.

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I’ve never thought of myself as a destructive type of chap but after watching BBC2 news this morning and hearing all the reasons we should cancel Brexit the TV nearly went though the window. Only the thought of the cold air blowing in stopped me.
In my eyes even those who say they support Brexit are secretly working against it happening.

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It makes you think that all of this was pre-ordained....that this skulduggery was meant to thwart the clean break that we should be having....though it looks further and further away.
It makes me think that it has been manufactured to ensure that we never get out...that we are hand cuffed to this club...having to pay in forever with no influence whatsoever.
All part of the NWO plan.
As Donald Trump said....'it is a good deal for the EU'.
I cannot see how TM....or any sane person can see this as an acceptable deal.

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Basically the cow has sold us down the river imho

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Well, she was put into a fighting match and the people who are supposed to be her allies tied both her fists behind her back and tied her at the ankles too.

Not just TM to blame, there are a lot of traitors in both major parties...and you have the also remember that both business and the Bank of England 'talked down' the UK...the hand of Soros is in there too.
There was no united front presented by the government and everyone knows that if you can divide a nation, you can conquer it.
I am ashamed of the antics of those that are supposed to be leaders(and paid a lot of money to do burger all).

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Right now TM is running round Europe kissing the butts of those who are keen to see her(and the UK) humiliated and cowed.
What do you think she will come back with?
I will tell you what she will get from them....ZERO....nada,nothing, a big fat duck egg....not only that she has been made by these guys to look stupid and weak....not a good look for a PM.
She should kick them in the goolies and tell them that come March we are out of there, that as they have been so intransigent, we will take our 39 billion quid and play in our own yard.

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Problem is the British Empire no longer exists, leave EU we will be vulnerable to attack - fact is we are going to have to pay "lip service" to USA if we leave with hard Brexit and they will demand concessions on deals - do you think it's going to be so easy to deal with Trump? WTO rules take long time to sort out.

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Problem is that there has been NO negotiation, there have been no compromises made by the EU....only by the UK.
You can NEVER negotiate from a weak position, only from a strong one.
The EU know that the PM is desperate to avoid the NO DEAL scenario and they know she has NO support for the current terms(because a deal will not be thrashed out until the terms of exit are ratified which Parliament won't do).
They are waiting for her to cave in.
She is like an injured animal, being circled by jackals waiting to rip her to bits.
Things will be no better when she gets back with her zero result....because she has a home grown set of jackals waiting to ambush her here.

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Thereas May should have resigned long ago, she will go down as the worsted PM in this country’s history even surpassing neville chamberlain, from the time she became prime minister she said Brexit means Brexit then forced the four cabinet minister who believed in Brexit to leave, then went on to fudge and dilute Brexit to a position that neither the stay or remain could except,

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Apparently May got locked in her car when supposed to get out and meet Merkel today!

Back after the Referendum I thought that we should have had Boris as PM when we voted to leave but that didn't work out and we got May! Now I think the Referen-dumb was a bad idea.

It should have had 3 options: 1) Stay in. 2) Leave cutting all ties. 3) Leave with a deal. Because I think a lot of people didn't really know what "Leave" meant.

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you could only put leave with a deal as an option, if you knew what the deal was

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No, no, no.....there cannot be another vote.
And there cannot be the option to remain....that issue was already decided by the referendum.
If there were to be another vote then it will undermine the concept of democracy forever.
Suppose leave won by a similar margin....would they ask for another vote saying we were too thick to understand the implications....would it turn into the best of five?

I understood what I was voting for.
TM said that she would broker a good deal....and she also said that NO deal was better than a bad deal.
I was not voting for a Hokey-Cokey deal....one where we still pay in, have rules handed to us with no say in how those rules are formulated.
I certainly did not want a deal that would handcuff us to the EU because we cannot unilaterally tell the EU we are leaving....they have to give us permission.

I voted to leave the Customs union, I voted to revoke free movement of people, I voted to leave the single market, I voted to be free of the ECJ.
There has been no negotiation.
They have treated the UK with contempt...they have insulted us, bullied us, they have laughed at us and ridiculed the attempts to broker a deal.

How can those who voted to remain accept these tactics?
Do they not see what I can see....that this is not how you treat a country that you would like to remain as an ally to....that is not how you treat a member.
It is undemocratic, it is a dictatorship.....we have no say in who decides our fate...and in that respect our sovereignty has been traded away.
This organisation is NOT what we signed up to.
We signed up to a trading organisation.....we bought a gas cooker but got a fridge.

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If you voted leave and are now willing to swallow all the cr*p the metropolitan media have been feeding us for the last three years you’re just the kind of voter they want us all to be. Malleable.
How can it now be a bad idea, but you want another referendum?
If you remember (it was so long ago and no-one in the media ever mentions it) Cameron went to Brussels before he called the referendum to get a new deal. He came back without one.
So we who voted leave KNEW that “Leave” meant “NO DEAL”.
A three option referendum as you suggest (actually it’s not your idea, it’s being pushed by professional Remoaners) is just the kind of political con trick beloved of the establishment to split the opposition.
If we have another vote I say TELL THEM AGAIN!

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I really DO hope that there will not be another vote....it sends out the totally wrong message.
However, if it did come to that, then I would tell them again.
LEAVE, LEAVE,LEAVE, totally....no ifs or buts.
No money to the EU....spend the money on this country.

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You have fallen into the habit that many remoaners use...(I cannot believe, from what you have said previously, that you voted to leave)thinly veiled insults towards the intellect of those who voted to leave. Implying that those who voted to remain were of superior intellect
You may say that you have not levelled insults against those who voted to leave....and that is true.....but you have strongly alluded to them.
You need to improve your argument.

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Yeh have got to have an IQ,to improve an argument so wasting yer time there.

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IF there is another vote and the remains don't turn out voting leave 'we want democracy', then it isn't the leavers that are thick it's the idiots that will be selling what little voting power we have down the river.
The vote was leave, let's make sure the majority get what they wanted not what the E.U. is bullying our weak politicians into.
A majority is a majority even if by only 1 vote.

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Browsing the papers this morning it's looking more likely that DisMay will finally be getting taken out of office ( I really hope so), to my mind she's been inneffective & incapable in the position of PM, pretty much like her time as home sec.


Whoever replaces her ( looks like Bo Jo) needs to be an out & out leaver, make drastic change to the cabinets make up filling prime positions with dedicated leavers & needs to go through the civil service like a dose of salts, purging the system completely of the remainer/ eu sympathisers. Then we might just get what was wanted & to my view the best for the UK.

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In respect of purging the civil service of Remainers and EU sympathisers....think you have hit the nail full square on the head.
I am sure much of the skulduggery has been orchestrated by these unelected faceless people.

While I understand your point on TM.....she has had an unenviable task....and whatever your view of her she has gone in there like a Trojan. She is just one woman cast into the snake pit of the EU....and the EU, you have to concede, never had any intention of negotiating anything of any value...certainly her hope of getting what we would see as a good deal was sub zero.

Can you see any male politician going back to The EU to try and get some slack?....because I can't.
Many of the problems that TM has faced have been created by spineless, gutless MP's here....some of them in her own party.
The appointment of Oillie (Ollie) Robbins was never a good move...he is a snake in the employ of Brussels....so is not going to be giving her good advice....and he certainly is not working towards a clean break with the EU.

This is not a good time to be ousting a PM.....and I cannot see where a replacement would be found....Boris Johnson is a loose canon and is (I believe) more interested in self promotion than the good of the country.

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I hate May with a passion, but i have a big fear this is not a good move? I can honestly see a remoaner getting in if May loses the vote. cos i fear there is more of them, if that is the case then our vote on Brexit is likely to be scrapped, this is NOTHING at all about the public, this is about MONEY for the scum that run us, hope to god i am wrong.

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Sorry I can’t understand what caveats Theresa may has negotiated to the benefit of the uk,

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Like you Cashy, I fear the outcome of this sorry mess.
I can see absolutely no-one to take up the baton and get the EU off our backs.
It is the betrayal of the electorate and the crushing of democracy (even though I have always held the view that democracy is an illusion we are fed, just so that we THINK we have a say).
We may be opening the doors to the Marxist Corbyn....and then the UK will be well and truly screwed.

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I doubt very much if that useless get Corbyn will end up P.M. I dont think "EVEN" the tories are that stupid as to allow an election.

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I really, really really hope you are right on that one Cashy....because that would be a final disaster.

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someone please tell me whats going on … I haven't the foggiest …

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Jen, it would take too blooming long....and I would end up in tears.

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Discontented tories wat to give DisMay the heave-ho because she hasn't fulfilled her promises/their expectations. 48 or more have made this clear with letters of no confidence so a vote on her suitability as PM is being carried out tonight (now). She needs 159 supporting her to carry on as PM, less than that & she's out!


All well & good .... but the Country is still left with it's present problems & difficulties, so whoever replaces her is going to have the festering mess dropped onto their lap & told to deal with it.


Was this precis helpful? :D

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It's a shambles is what it is. The EU stated today that the deal brought by the UK cannot be changed and even if TM loses the vote of confidence, whoever then becomes leader of the Tories still has the same problem of trying to get the deal ratified by parliament.

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And they've been saying it since DisMay rolled over & allowed the UK to be manoeuvred into this dismal position! So no deal it is then, hello WTO, tell the Brussels Bolschies that & I'm pretty sure a compromise would be found.

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It needs someone to tell them that we will leave without a deal....and that they can whistle for their 39 billion.
I think this is a game of brinkmanship...and they know that TM is trying to please too many people.... and it can't be done.
When you see M Barnier, JCJuncker, Donald Tusk et al, all grinning then you just KNOW that this agreement is only good for them.
We will get nothing from them. It is not in their interests to heave TM out of the brown stuff.
They want a weakened PM....a weak PM is malleable and they know that she will take ANY deal.
Not that ANY deal will get through Parliament.
Our own MP's have been woeful. TM does not carry all the blame....much of it has to go to the people who fuelled project Fear....they talked the country down....I include the CBI and the Bank of England....they have both made predictions which have been very wide of the mark.

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I didn't think the tories were that stupid, glad i was right, tonight was the best of a bad job, we still got a crap deal, and we still got a load of arseholes from all parties to balls things up even more.:eek:

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Yes Cashy, you are right, but maybe, just maybe there might be a bit more cohesion now that those who have wished to upset the Apple cart have had their noses smacked.
If only the whole of the Palace of Westminster could show the same united front....those snakes across the channel would be crapping bricks and building a wall to hide behind.

It would be a damn fool idea to have a new leader at this late stage in the game.(anyone with an ounce of sense should be able to see that...I can see it and I had a poor secondary school education)

And who knows if those in Brussels have taken stock of the solid support that the PM has....also maybe the message has got through to the PM about how deeply unpopular her proposed exit strategy is.

We can only watch and wait.

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I can’t see anything to be pleased about with this outcome, her deal is bound to be voted down by MP’s and if that’s the case I can only see that we will have 2nd referendum but with only 2 options on the ballot paper back May’s deal or remain in Europe

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Nowhere have I said I was pleased.
I just think this is a better outcome than her being unseated.
The exit strategy is still crap...but putting someone else in charge would not have altered that because(from what I have read), the strategy has been signed off by those in Brussels...which is why TM was running round Europe yesterday trying to get some support

No, as it stands, the exit strategy will not pass through Parliament.
A vote of 'no confidence' would have meant a bigger mess, it could even have provoked the fall of the government and a snap election.

Why on earth would remain be on the ballot paper of a second referendum?
That was decided by the previous vote.
There should be NO second referendum because it undermines the will of the electiorate.

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Why on earth would remain be on the ballot paper of a second referendum?
That was decided by the previous vote.
There should be NO second referendum because it undermines the will of the electiorate.
(Just the way I see the situation)
Remain would be on the ballot paper because that’s what the majority of MP’s want and would not dare put the leave option on the ballot paper again
Agree the referendum was a positive vote to leave and there should not be a second
But if May’s deal is voted down as expected, where else does she go the only option I can see is a 2nd referendum

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Accybeme, with the greatest respect it is NOT about what the MP's want....it is about what the electorate told their elected representatives that they MUST deliver.

MP' s seem to forget that they are the servants of the people.
They were put there by the little people....like you and me, putting our X in their box.(and if they do a bad job, then the next time their is an election, you withdraw your X . The is the principle of democracy)
For too long our elected representatives have been hand laws and regulations by those unelected people in Brussels.....so they do not want to have to earn their corn anymore by governing us.

As for your question about where we go from here?
The answer is fairly simple. On 29th of March we leave the EU regardless of what has not been negotiated to us by Brussels.
There will be no trade deal, no customs union, no free movement, no diktats handed down by the ECJ......and maybe the 39 billion will stay in our coffers.

I am sure that the threat of this happening is just as worrying for the EU....where are they going to be getting the money from to fill the hole left by GB's contribution?
And if they want to place tariffs on their goods and service, then we look elsewhere for those goods....grow them or make them ourselves.

The big problem with the referendum was that the political elite badly misjudged the feeling up and down the country.
They were sure that we would vote to stay in.
That just shows how very out of touch these folk are.....especially so, North of the Watford gap.
Had they thought that the outcome would be to leave....they would not have given us a referendum.
We certainly do not need another one.

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While I agree with most of your post, I do not believe parliament will let us crash out with no deal, to me that only leaves two options withdraw article 50 or a 2nd referendum, the trouble has always been that while the majority of (us the people) wanted to leave the EU, the majority of MP’s wanted the UK to remain in EU

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Also these M.P.s as yeh call em, i call em SNAKES, want to remain in their seats, i dont know no-one does, but it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

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The situation is that over the years what was a trading arrangement morphed into a political entity....this happened without our permission.
There were times when we should have been consulted and weren't....because back then the leaders were savvy enough to know we would not buy it.

When I voted to leave, I made sure that I had read as much as possible about the EU and the consequences of leaving....and not just from the pap that the popular media would have us believe.
I made an informed choice...because that is how I do things.

I certainly did not vote for a Hokey Cokey, half in half out deal.
We were promised that No deal was preferable to a bad deal....and what is currently on the table is as bad a deal as it can get....so we should NOT be taking it up.

Parliament won't vote this through in its current format....but then that leaves a no deal scenario....nowhere was it said that if we did not like the offer we would revoke article 50.....because if that is done then we do not leave and the illusion of democracy....letting the people choose, is trashed.
Equally sending us out to vote again, means democracy is trashed to because it undermines the voting process.
Are we going to get into a situation where, at a General Election, we don't agree with the result so we can have another go....and another until we get the result that we like??
That is NOT democracy.

If, right at the very beginning, it had been pointed out to the negotiators(and that's a laugh in itself) that these were the terms we wanted to leave on.....and told them that was it....if they could not agree then we would leave without a deal, what do you think might have happened?

This is Brinkmanship...plain and simple....a Mexican stand off....see who blinks first.
It is in the interests of the EU to secure a deal too....because without contributions from the UK they are stuffed....because I cannot see Germany and France wanting to make up the deficit....and the PIGS countries can't make up the deficit because the EU has screwed them....which is exactly what they will do to us if we do not get out.

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The referendum should have been before John Major committed us to the treaty of Maastricht in 1992....because prior to that the EEC was trade based....and in principle(but not in practice) a good idea.

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think they knew what the answer would have been if they had had one then. as you said earlier though i doubt wether any MP north or south of the watford gap has any real feel for their votors and do they really care either.

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Corbyn has just tabled a vote of no confidence, internet says "in the Prime Minister" but presume it means in the Government.
Mark

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Update, apparently it is not the same as a traditional vote of no confidence in the Government. Opinion is it may have Political force but is at the least embarrassing for TM
Mark

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No, I think it is the PM.
Corbyn doesn’t want to bring down the Government because he doesn’t want to risk having to deal with the EU.
By the way, the petition to leave with no deal has just overtaken the petition to have another referendum.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

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Thank you for adding that link.
I have just signed this petition.

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Cheers owd mate for the link have also signed.;) To me Corbyn is proving what a useless prat he is, just playing politics.

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:) +1, Did you read the prattle spouted by the response team? 3 million eu citizens living in UK 1 million Brits in Europe (me being one of them) if the eu-rinal & its ways are so wonderful, how comes there is such disparity in the numbers?

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Yes..Political finger wagging at us for having the temerity to join a petition that will get scant attention from the politicians (who have their own agenda to follow....and it does not match ours).
I despair of getting out....really out ....of the EU.
They are NOT our friends....they are NOT our allies....they have NO interest in the UK other than the money it contributes to this vast money hungry organisation.

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I'm sure that petition was on 202 thousand odd this morning, it's now over the 230,000 mark. Meanwhile the remainiac petitions demanding a stop to a clean brexit/no deal whatever/wto deal are where exactly ....? See for yourselves below.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=open

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I posted this in June 2015, seems to me not much has changed, no matter what May says.

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There is now over 243 000 signatures on the leave the E.U. without a Deal petition now.

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The government are getting into a flat spin about leaving with No deal....it is what they should have been anticipating from day one....anyone with half a brain would have known that we would never get what could be considered a'good' deal....that was never in the DNA of the EU negotiators(!)
They do not want us to succeed, they want us to be an abject lesson to other members who might be considering similar action.

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Thing is the government should decide wether to debate after 100,000 funny how they aint bothered yet?:rolleyes::(

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I think they are currently busy trading insults.
I thought that once the target had been reached the had to debate it....but they do not have to do it within any time frame.

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To the best of my knowledge they have to consider debating it.?

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That is correct Cashy,


Parliament will consider this for a debate

Parliament considers all petitions that get more than 100,000 signatures for a debate


But note the wording is "consider", which means they can just as easily bin any thought of debate after due consideration. Personally I think this one will be debated due to its toxicity & volatility, but the debate will probably be held in some tatty canteen within the halls of power, present will be about 15 extrmely low ranking ploiticoes/interns with a 13 to 2 leaning of remainiacs!


So with that in mind I don't see it really influencing things, but it gives the creatures the right to then turn round & say "Job done! No more discussion on the subject, next!"

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Your conclusion is, i’m sure, correct, Dave.
But the reason I signed this petition was not in expectation of our benighted MPs doing anything (their incompetence is, after all, why we are where we are now).
It was simply to show that there are a helluva lot of voters out there who do not buy all the bull that’s been spouted in Parliament, Brussels, the Polling companies, and the British media over the last three years and will vote AGAIN to leave the EU completely, irrevocably, and immediately.

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Mine too.
I just want them to be able to see the level of disappointment with how we have been treated.
I also want them to realise how gutless we believe our government to be.
We can fight two world wars....our recent ancestors put up with all kind of privations before, during and after....but they think we cannot deal with any difficulties(perceived or otherwise) that a no deal Brexit will create.
Do our government think that we cannot spot the games being played....the brinkmanship being practised for our benefit.
Do our government really believe that Spain will not want to sell their oranges to us?
That Italy will not want to sell their grapes?
Do they believe that these countries will not want our people to visit their countries....to put our money into their economy?
If they do think that then they are deluded.

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They reckon the E.U. is going to charge Brits £7 per head to enter the E.U. after Brexit, funny that! they never charged me Grandad for entry in WW1, nor me Dad in WW2.:rolleyes: if they do so i reckon we should be the ones to start WW3 and stuff the cheeky barstewards.

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Aye, but at least we don’t have to pay £5.60 to get into Wales anymore.:rolleyes:

Actually, Cashy you have to pay to enter many, if not most countries and every time anyone flies in or out of this country, EU ‘citizens’ (sic) or not, they pay ‘landing’ and/or ‘take-off’ fees.
If £7 a visit is the price to pay for not being in the EU, it’s a bargain.

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Aye but yeh will still have to pay landing fees also, so i say stuff the gets.

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It is called an ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System) and although not launched yet, is expected to come into force in 2021. It's €7 and lasts for three years and is similar to the ESTA used for travel to the US.

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If they're by going to charge you £7 to visit the EU, then my first question would be "What will I be charged to return from my visit?" .
Always check for the exits before entering any questionable establishment.
One man's opinion.
Joe

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Methinks we should have been asking THAT question four decades ago!

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A technology solution designed and implemented by the government? I doubt if many of us will see it completed in our lifetime.

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A French construction company, Vinci, has just paid £2.9 Billion for 50+% of Gatwick Airport!
Clearly, for the BBC, this is one story they can’t blame on Brexit.
So, guess what? You’ll struggle to find it on the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation’s website.

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I heard it mentioned on the Radio (they were talking about the apparent Drone problems, just before Christmas, that shut down the airport and fact that because it was owned by Nigerian interests caused delay on the Army being called in) that the rest of Gatwick is owned by a Nigerian businessman or organisation so perhaps they sold some of it to the French? Also if we leave E.U. we will still be getting migrants coming in but they will be from Africa and places like Nigeria - different skin color but still migrants.

A search brings this link up https://allafrica.com/stories/201208040520.html Adebayo Ogunlesi owns Gatwick.

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Why do you immediately assume any comment about Brexit is about race and immigrants?
I was alluding to the fact that a European company has decided to invest in a UK asset.
Or are you just another one of those ‘liberals’ who accuse others of their own repressed fears?

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He does this purely because he can...and he is one of the rainclouds in life.
When he disappears it is suddenly a lovely day.
He is so fixated on his perceived ideas of what those who voted to leave think.
He thinks he knows how we think...but in the main...he has not a clue.

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Thing that amuses me with this, is the Fact a french Company has invested 2.9 Billion in the U.K. but the dickheads think we are going to fail by leaving, just demonstrates to people what knobs they really are.:D:D:D:D:D

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Because I read somewhere on this website a comment about poles (meaning Polish people) are a nuisance. Many people who voted to leave
EU did so for racist reasons. I was telling you that Gatwick was owned by a Nigerian businessman and they must have decided to sell part of it to the French, for what ever reason - probably money.

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Usual rubbish about me - I have spent lot of time listening to LBC radio where people ring up and cover their opinions and many are racist who voted to leave the EU and many never travel out of the UK. Fact - you lot seem to just want to attack every thing I say - I would think many of you voted to leave for same reasons.

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You leave yourself open to criticism because you know very little about us.
My reasons for voting to leave were very simple.
I do not wish to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats who do not have a jot of interest in the people of this country.
I do not wish to be insulted, denigrated and belittled by the people our fathers and grandfathers gave their lives to protect.
I do not wish to be told that I cannot buy Russet apples...bent bananas, curly cucumbers.
I do not want this unelected crew to tell us what fish we can catch....and if we catch the wrong ones....well even though they are dead(but a good protein food source) our fishermen have to throw them back.

It was never about Polish people, but it was about those flooding into the EU who portray themselves as refugees....and expect to be taken in by the EU....and if they are given citizenship, then there is little to stop them coming here....being housed, being supported, their health care needs met.

I voted to leave because this is a corrupt organisation that has not had an audit passed for more than two decades.....if it were a business it would have been closed down as being fraudulent.
I am sick of seeing some countries in the EU ride roughshod over other member states....this is an act of dictatorship...it is certainly not democratic.

I have read lots of stuff(not just in the media...but from other academic sources)about the EU.
My vote was a very carefully considered action...with rational and logical reasoning...and nothing I have seen or heard has made me consider that I voted wrongly.

You make sneering comments about our motives for the way we voted....and believe me that endears you to no-one.

My posted views are moderate and I do not attack someone in a personal way....because I know a personal attack will devalue my argument.
I stand by what I have posted.

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Oh and it is not 'the usual rubbish' about you.
What I said was honest and true...that is how I roll. I am not going to change how I see things and I say it how I see it.

If you said something relevant...something that showed you understand why we voted the way we did...but you do not.


Not only that but you politicise every thread you touch...even the Christmas thread....you felt you had to throw some political comment on something that was a way of sending greetings to other members.
Then you wonder why you get the flack.

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I saw this today …. :D

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I heard that the Prime Minister is thinking about formally changing her name.
To Theresa Maybe.

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Love it Jen...I wish I could double or even treble 'like' it...because I would.

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To be fair to the PM....she has had a very tough time. Many men would have thrown in the towel long before this...like DC did when he heard the result of the referendum...but she hasn't done that.

She is not only fighting the snakes over the channel...she has a basket full of them both in her own government and in other parties too.
The CBI have talked the UK down, the Bank of England's Mark Carney has talked the UK down.....Tony Blair has felt the need to put his twopennorth in, Keir Starmer, Dominic Grieve....the list of those who have spent time in undermining efforts to get out of the EU....undermining the efforts of the PM, are endless.
This is exactly how the EU want it....they want uncertainty, they want confusion, they want division....because it weakens our power to bargain.
Why on earth can these educated people not see this?

So let's give her her due.....you may not like her or what she stands for But you have to admit she has been persistent.

She has gone back to those snakes(because that is her job) to try to get something that is clearly not being offered...negotiation.
You cannot negotiate unless the other party actually WANTS to compromise.
It has been clear from the start that there was never going to be any compromise from the EU side.

She was gifted a poison chalice by the coward David Cameron.
She has done what many others would not even have attempted...she is a Remainer at heart so it cannot be easy to do what the electorate have asked of her.

I hope that her deal crashes and burns, but fair play to her...she has tried.

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Hear Hear Margaret, Well written, and totally true

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Thank you Bea.
I just say it how I see it.
No bullshine for me.

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My mistake.
I was merely offering a humble quip intended to brighten someone's day.
I will try not to sing out of key....Joe Cocker

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Yes, Morejoe....that is OK....but to be fair I think most of us are a bit disillusioned regarding this topic...but, hey you were not to know that.

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In the immortal words of Douglas Adams:
"Don't Panic"
&
"Always know where your towel is"

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...s-seized-power
This link is for KestrelX
This is the reason that I voted leave.
The politicians over the years have bamboozled not just the people here, but the people in the countries of Europe....this was always the plan.....that we should be shepherded into a superstate without us ever being aware of what was happening.
We have been manipulated and deviously sucked into this path.
Until 2016 we were never given the opportunity to decide whether we wanted to be socially, financially and politically aligned.
what we joined was a trading organisation....the EU is more than that now and it has morphed in a sinister way.
It is Government by deception....democracy trounced...the people deemed too uneducated, too emotional, too patriotic to make decisions affecting their lives.

Now if you want to hand the running of our country to those unelected mandarins(if they do a crap job, we cannot eject them) in Brussels....I do not.

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Re Seaborne freight who have a contract to provide extra ferry sailings post Brexit -
"One of the companies contracted by the government to charter ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit does not own any ships, has not previously operated a ferry service and is not planning to do so until close to the UK’s scheduled departure date from the European Union."

I' ve got headache
- Mark

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Its no big deal. they dont get any brass until they prove the service i heard yesterday.

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ex dodgy chairman of hartlepool united involved in it. thank goodness for andy holt.