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So Boris is off to see the Queen to ask for Parliament to be suspended until Oct 14th.

After seeing the shenanigans that the five traitors were involved in yesterday(Keir Starmer,Jo Swinson, Jeremy Corbyn that Lucas woman and some other non entity whose name currently escapes me) I have to say that it might be the right thing to do.

What did this group of plotters imagine they could do?
They talked of setting up an 'exiled' Parliament.
If they HAD passed laws, what validity would they have had.
This was a group that had not been voted into power of government, so should have no right to govern...they had no permission from the Queen and would really have been a coupe d'etat....an unconstitutional overthrow of an elected government.
Something you associate with countries in Africa.

While the suspension of Parliament in this instance is(I feel) right.....and that poor excuse for a PM John Major did it to deflect the 'cash for questions' issue in Parliament.
This action should not be undertaken lightly....because it could be seen as an abuse of power.
But, Go Boris,Go....get us out....let me taste my Dom Perignon. :)

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Some of the remainer MP's are having apoplectic fits at the idea of suspending Parliament....thinking, Anna Soubry...in her PJs stamping her foot....Adam Boulton also seemed snippy and sour when interviewing a Tory MP too.....they just don't get it do they?

The Brussels crew will be pooing their pants at this bit of news.
It tells them that our New PM means business....that come October 31st we are gone....with a deal(if they blink first).....failing that their bloody minded intransigence will provoke us leaving without ratifying the WA.

Can't really see what the big fuss is about....Parliament would have got little done as we are heading into conference season anyway.

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Have just heard Soubary say B.J. has no mandate to suspend parliament, well that bitch and her mates have no mandate to oppose the peoples vote, hope that sinks in with people. they are all about what certain M.P.s want NOT the British Public who they are supposed to represent.

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Nor5 have they a mandate to set up a rogue Parliament.
They say that Boris is undemocratic in suspending parliament...so what is setting up and exiled parliament then? Democratic...i don't think so!

and while I am on the rant...what the hell and tarnation is Justin Welby playing at trying to organise a Citizens Assembly...we have a citizens assembly...it is called the House of Commons and unlike the rabble that Justin welby is going to listen to...our Citizens assmbly is VOTED for by the electorate.

Rant over.

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And if an election is called, I hope these traitors get their hides whipped out of Parliament

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Every single one of then SHOULD BE removed from office they DO NOT represent democracy at all.

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They have come out in droves....and all these remainers need to either accept the fact that the electorates wishes are being followed at long last.....and if it is unacceptable to them, then let them move to Europe, where I am sure traitors are welcomed with open arms.

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like a lot, they only believe in democracy when it suits them or the cause they follow.

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They cannot see that this strengthens our bargaining stance with those like Guy Verhofstad, Donald Tusk, Macron and Juncker.

If we keep doing what has been done over the last three years, nothing will change.....and we will still be paying Brussels 1.1 billion pounds per month for the dubious privilege....and having no say in anything.

I hope this works and kicks the remainers into touch.

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Just loving all those Remoaning democracy-deniers, who are intent on denying the results of the mandate from 72% of the electorate, whining that Johnson has ‘stolen’ democracy. After more than three years of wasted time, hot air, petty party posturing, the MPs want more time to debate with each other about what they don’t want.

However, keep your powder dry. I’m not totally convinced that Johnson, a public school Tory, will actually deliver a CLEAN Brexit. The risk is he gets the so-called Irish backstop, which is an entirely manufactured principle, removed or amended and then signs up for all the other traps that Tereason May was dying to sign up to. He’ll then come back, like Chamberlain, waving a piece of paper and claiming he’s got a deal.
Then comes an election.
So, I for one, will continue to support the Brexit Party and will be voting for them if we do not get completely out of the EUSSR.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zUM3tWFe5Pw

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We must get completely outa the E.U. or i will vote Brexit Party also.no slimeball traps like May had

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Good Ol' Nigel Farage.
A man who sees the Brussels Eurocrats for what they are.
And despises them!

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I am not sure about BJ delivering a clean Brexit.
If he cuts a deal and it has in it the elements of the WA put forward by TM, minus the backstop then that would not cut it....we would still be tied into the EU.
We need.....NO Customs Union, No Free Movement, NO single market, NO ECJ.....if that can't be delivered then we should walk away.

They are pooping themselves across the channel at the thought of losing 39 billion.....and the legal eagles say there is no way that the UK can be forced to cough up...no legal measures.

If it turns out to be Leave without ratifying the WA, then Boris will have done a good job.

As for an election....I would be worried about diluting the vote....and I cannot see the Brexit party will have anything to offer if we are out on the 31st of October.
I would find it hard to believe that the Brexit Party can get enough seats to form a government....and what is essential for the future is to have a government in power who have a working majority....one where they do NOT need to go 'cap in hand' to another political party to shore up votes on important issues.

What I DO hope, come the GE, is that the electorate remember those politicians who betrayed their constituents, and kick them as far into the long grass as possible.
I would fervently hope our own representative is one of them....and Mars is not far enough away.

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This suggests that the outcome of Tereason May’s so-called Withdrawal Agreement was to make us the EUSSR’s second colony.
A ‘vassal state’ in Johnson’s opinion.
But it’s what could still happen if he doesn’t deliver a CLEAN BREAK Brexit.

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-e...rial-ambition/

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that link is well worth reading.

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Yes, what a shame it is not MANDATORY reading for all remoaners, maybe, just maybe their stance would change.

We need to be out...right out, not one foot still left in the doorway.

Anyway, Boris must be on the right track as he has raised the ire of the likes of Philip Pullman, Gary Lineker, Lord Young ......all of them EU lickspittles.....because they have their own agenda's.....and are never going to be competing for schools, health care or housing.

They see themselves as superior and better informed.

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Hugh Grant is another prat thats upset, perhaps brexit will lessen his prostitute chances?

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All the remainers are outraged at the suspension of Parliament...saying that is the death of democracy.

Democracy died when those not in favour of the result of the referendum did (and are still doing) all they can to thwart the will of the majority of those who voted.

A couple of days ago there was a real outrage....but no-one mentioned democracy then.
it was when a group of remainers got together to thwart the will of the people...they threatened to set up an exile parliament....to pass laws which would(they said) prevent a disorderly Brexit(I try not to use the 'no deal' phrase).

Did you see people demonstrating outside Parliament then?...and this WAS most definitely an insult to democratic procedure as these self appointed guardians had not been given the power to govern by her majesty.

It seems to me that democracy is a movable feast...only democracy if it is in line with your ideas and ideals.

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In truth they are only losing five or six days because the suspension comes at a time when most of the party conferences are being held.

Had they been so keen to hammer out yet more circular discussion(that solves nothing) they would have cancelled the summer break and sat until a solution was found.

Bloody hypocrites....you might get the impression that I am particularly jaundiced by the current political status.

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I am beginning not to trust what B.J. is saying after listening to that scottish cow today, i wonder if B.J. is after leaving with a rehashed T.M. deal ? i fear that is what is going down.

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that would NOT be good.
A rehashed TM deal will keep us tied into the EU.

He needs to broker an entirely different deal or walk away...anything else and the tory party is toast!(and they know it)

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i know margaret but its what i fear is coming.:eek:

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I am sure that ther will be someone who will blow the whistle on him, if that is the case.....Nigel Farage perhaps, or at least you would hope that would be the case.

I think there are those in Parliament who want to see the back of the EU(though their numbers may be small) and they would be happy to dob BJ in.
There is a lot of ill feeling against him right now.

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I see the remoaners are now saying "Theres a pistol being held to our heads" by the government, well if thats the case then B.J. is not doing a good job cos "Traitors should be Executed"

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If they have a pistol to their heads...he should pull the trigger, because at that distance you can't miss.

These remainers who are hell bent on bringing down the government cannot see that there is a strong likelihood of them losing their seats if a General Election is called.....and some of them might even lose their deposits.

They are a Shower of Fisons.

Fancy handing the PM on a plate to those like Barnier and Verhofstad.
Not only do they want him to postpone the exit date to January next year, the want him to accept any and all constraints put in place during that time by the EU(this is going to cost us 1.1 billion per month....so they will welcome that, won't they?)...and if the EU suggests a different date(maybe June) then The PM has got to accept it within 48 hours unless the HOC determines otherwise.

How humiliating that would be.....and how it would weaken the negotiating stance.....just when Brussels is getting jittery.

How treacherous of Tory party members... to betray their leader........and they brought all this on themselves.
They were given three opportunities to vote through the WA.....and they thought is was crap and passed over it.
All of them voted to implement article 50.....which meant they would support the result of the referendum.

Boris has taken some unconventional action.....and it was needed.
You cannot keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
They need to be kicked out.....all of them lock, stock and steaming barrel.

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What these treacherous MP's really want is to cancel our exit from the EU.
They think that by dragging it on longer and longer, we will lose our resolve.
So it is not NO Deal the object to.
It is the actual exit...they want to remain because it fulfils their own agendas rather than those of their constituents.

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Torys now have no majority. one MP has gone over to Liberals. This will have consequences
Mark

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Even if DUP vote with him, which is unlikely, he doesn't have an effective Government

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He really needs to start culling some of these traitors.

I am sure that those in Brussels are grinning from ear to ear....at the thought of their plans coming to fruition due to our gutless, spineless, work shy representatives
It seems like they want to be governed by unelected bureaucrats, have laws handed down.....and pay handsomely for the privilege.
A pox on their households.
It looks like we are heading to an election.
Just remember who the traitors were folks......they do not deserve your vote.

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We need a modern day Guy Fawkes.

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Just when I get my hopes up that we might actually get out of the EU.....the rug is pulled from under me.
Just when I think we might break free of the web, the spider comes in and wraps another layer of ties on us.....and we are held down by our own countrymen....for shame!

If the remainer MP's tie the hands of the PM, then they are handing our country over to the EU....for them to decide, unilaterally and with whatever constraints they wish to apply.....and we the people who voted to leave will have no say.

In short that means we will NEVER get out.
Well Done you traitorous snakes, conquered by Brussels without a single shot being fired......you bleeding heart surrender monkeys!

I hope you are buried in your white flag.

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When I was young and growing up in England we used to mock the French and the Italians for having elections and changing governments every few months.
What has England come to?
Nothing good!

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They had just better not doorstep me for my opinion.

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To be fair, MoreJoe.....

In 'normal' times(which, these are NOT), the Uk has a fixed term Parliament law.
This means elections only happen every five or so years.
The last election was caused by the irregular events which have plagued politics since the referendum and this coming one too.
All because we have a nest of snakes in our government....who cannot begin to come to any kind of agreement.

I sincerely hope our current PM can be be the mongoose that rids us of these pesky varmints.
It looks like he has plans to deselect them.
Although, that will not stop them setting up as independent MP's....well that is unless their constituents feel as let down by their representative as I do with ours.

Shower of Fisons...the lot of them.
If they were on fire and I had water....I would drink it.....and I hate water!

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Boris Johnson took on the unenviable task of trying to herd fleas with a pitchfork.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;

In short that means we will NEVER get out.
Well Done you traitorous snakes, conquered by Brussels without a single shot being fired......you bleeding heart surrender monkeys!

I hope you are buried in your white flag.[/QUOTE]

said it all along from the outset that this would happen. what does surprise me is that anyone really thought it would happen. years of self interest and brainwashing from those who think they know everything has come to the top once again.

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I really hope they knock on mine. will tell em exactly what i think.

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Well, If I am honest, I felt that sosmewhere along the line we would get scuppered, yet I lived in the hope that we might, just might, find a way out.


It proves quite clearly, what I have said all along...that we are only allowed to vote because it makes us FEEL like we have influence...but really if what we voted influenced anything at all they would stop us from doing it.

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All I can say is that if they doorknock at my house they had just better have flameproofed ears because, belive me they will get it.

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Just to let you know that our illustrious local representative in the HOC voted to block a No deal(how I hate that term) Brexit last night. I don't suppose he has ever played poker.

No surprise there then...he wants to be a slave to the Eu and wants to amke us slave to them too...come the election...I hope you all remember his mealy mouthed spineless actions.
Shame on him!

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Here is the full list of how MP's voted.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...it-tory-rebels

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He would stand no chance, for a start he would have to wear a hiviz jacket, safety boots and a big yellow helmet to be able to work under the house of commons plus he would need to apply for a permit to work with explosives and fill in a health and safety assessment predicting the results of the explosion it would probably take him about 5 years to get through the paperwork.

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Cheer up... remember, none of this will matter when the Earth's biosphere implodes in a humanity ending rupture of pent up heat.

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that's right Less...blow up my dreams of a solution! :(

Are you in any way related to Guy? :)

Did his cat run through your backyard? :)

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Well, that would get rid of the pesky snakes in Parlaiment.


(except that is being unkind to snakes....maybe they aren't snakes...maybe they are cockroaches...it is said that these insects would survive a nuclear blast)

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slong as that starts were you are fair enough.

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I have to applaud your capability of talking out of your arse even when using a keyboard.

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Despair not, and don’t believe how the Brussels Broadcasting Corp and other metro media have decided to tell this story.
The desire to get out of the EUSSR will not go away. It will stay an issue in U.K. politics for some time yet.
Only if leave voters are cowed and conned by the media masters into submission will the self-serving liars and slime balls in Westminster get away with it. A tactical voting deal with the Brexit Party would be one way for Johnson to react.

However, as this piece (below) rather convoluted argues, it is not quite so certain that this latest act of treachery will get Royal Assent.

My reading of the argument is that any proposed Act which would ‘affect’ the prerogative powers of the PM requires “Queen’s Consent” from the Government. By wording their Act to “force” Boris to do something, this is clearly affecting his prerogative power. So, at the Third Reading, the Government (i.e. currently Bojo) would have to consent to the Bill. Obviously, normally Acts are the Government’s own or are private members bills that it agrees with so Queen’s Consent is not an issue. But in this case why would it give consent to something it disagrees with?

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/propo...ueens-consent/

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Ursula Van der Leyen has been heard to say that an extension until the 31st of January would not be granted....she would expect an extension of at least another year.
This means that during that time we would be tied to the EU paying in more than a billion pounds per month, and having no say in influencing the rules.
Also come 2020, the full force of the Lisbon treaty comes into effect.

We need to be out....right out....no one leg in and one leg out.....not the May WA.......if we cannot negotiate a different deal.....and I am sure that will not be possible.....seeing as the EU never meant to negotiate at any price....Then it falls to the default position of a disorderly exit.....and it will be the fault of the EU and the traitors in our own House of Commons.

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I have now taken time to read through the whole of this article....and it was not easy reading....it exercised all of my grey cells.....let us hope that Her Majesty refuses her consent for this action.
It might be wise of Boris to join forces with Nigel Farage as everyone I have spoken to in the last day or so has said if a GE happens, they will vote for the Brexit party.
I am pretty sure that the Brexit party will not gain enough seats to govern, but they could boost the Conservative party enough to give them a majority.

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I doubt very much if B.J. will get enough votes for an election unless he gives in to the TRAITOR CORBYN.

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The remainers have won the vote to delay yet again.....329 votes to delay 300 to forge ahead.

These supposedly educated people cannot see that there is NODeal which will be acceptable.
Even if Boris came back with the best deal in the world, it would get thrown out because they....the politicians do not want to leave the EU.

But the EU are definitely not going to negotiate because they know that our own politicians on both sides of the house are conniving to thwart every effort.

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All M.P.s who disregard what was voted for should be deselected whatever party they are from, that is the only logical chance of people regaining faith.in my view, they have no regard for the referendum result at all. it matters little as to what your constituency voted the majority voted LEAVE. by not doing so they are basically saying people are STUPID, anyone who cannot see that is rightfully called STUPID in my opinion.

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What should really happen is that deselection means a by election as the poarty that was voted for is no longer represented in the constituency that voted for it.

There is a lot of gloating going on by remainers..they are saying that brexit is finished.

As I have said before...we need to remember those who got us into this sorry mess...(and it is not the electorate...we voted in good faith) and not award them our votes in the future.

I do not easily forget.......and I will find it very hard to forgive. When I say 'I'm Done' then I really am DONE.
A pox on them

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Apparently, the brexiteer Lords have tabled some 86 amendments to the bill to stop the No deal from being passed.
Tonight they have gone into the Lords with sleeping bags and shaving kits and toothbrushes....it looks like they plan to filibuster the bill.
(Not that this really solves very much)

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And in last nights vote regarding the calling of a GE.....our representative voted against the government....thereby safeguarding his employment for a bit longer.

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its funny to me how Graham is now supporting Corbyn, after making very plain what his view of him is. that seems VERY Hypocritical to me. may well be a safety first thing?

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Cashy, funny it aint..it is diabolical.
Traitors all of them.
I hope the EU boot us out...except they want to milk us for as much cash as possible...so they won't do that.

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Interesting take on the Whitehall farce currently playing at the Palace of Poltroons.

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econo...EWtrA9sXGNoOw/

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Oh bu88er!
I had been trying to find out how the attempt at filibustering was going...now I know.
(Bloody traitorous crew)

I don't know what to make of that, but I hope it is the Queens consent option.

I am rapidly losing the will to live :(

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It is reported that Boris is off to Balmoral tomorrow to see the Queen.....so he is either going to resign as he cannot currently govern with the state of the party....or maybe he is going to seek the Queens help,in squashing the opposition.

He says he would rather be dead than go to Brussels to ask for an extension.

I was wondering if we are allowed to vote in the request to extend article 50....if that were the case, then could we not veto our own request?
Well, NO....maybe not....it was just a whimsical thought....a grasping at straws.

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All thats happened this week, is the M.P.s from all parties have confirmed that they DO NOT Represent the Public.

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you know the same people would be gloating and those who wanted out would be quickly told just to get on with it if the vote had gone the other way. since the vote for the common market was lost in the 70,s i,m still waiting to be convinced that the european experiment has been good for me and the majority of the country at large. every time i hear a pro european spout then i,m more convinced about acheiving the impossible and getting out.

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They do not and will not in the future...because it does not fit their narrow agenda....which is to look after their own interests.
This is not representative democracy....it is autocratic democracy.
They want what is good for them rather than what(and who) they were elected to represent.

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A Tweet from our democratically elected 'Member' on 5/9/19.

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S’funny, if politicians weren’t such blatant liars, but 24,000 knew exactly what they voted for in a manifesto but, after Cameroon came back with nothing from the EUSSR and called the referendum, 14,000,000 didn’t know what Leave meant.
This guy clearly thinks his electorate are idiots. And if they vote for him again, they are.
Vote Brexit and get rid of him.

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He already said that we were not educated enough to make the decision abot leaving the EU...so yes he does think those who elected him are thick.....but some people are so blikered they would vote for a donkey as long as it was wearing a labour party rosette.

I voted For tis man once...because I had high hopes that he understood what his constituents needs were...and that he would be the best person to fulfil those needs.
What a fool I was...he got down to the metropolis and had his head turned.....so that he is more interested in what goes on in Africa than Accrington.
Needless to say, at the last election he did NOT get my cross in his box....and Never again will I vote for this man.....and I guess that he doesn't really care because he knows that there are those out there he can bamboozle and convince with his bullshine.

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i also voted for him and reckoned he was a genuine guy, thats long since dissolved. NEVER AGAIN.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1231444]
What a fool I was...he got down to the metropolis and had his head turned.....so that he is more interested in what goes on in Africa than Accrington.

doubt he will not be the only one thats fallen into that catogary. i know its worse in africa than this country but when poverty is mentioned there always seems to me that they are up in arms straight off by this doing all they are able to do yet a blind eye is used to any poverty in their own country. wonder how much foreign aid we would get if we needed it.

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My point is...he is elected to promote the needs of his constituency....NOT Africa(Uganda and the Yemen).....and if he is off on a jolly in Africa then he is being paid by the likes of you and me and he is NOT doing what he is PAID to do.

Poverty anywhere in the world is dealt with by foreign aid budgets...and (I know this is off thread) goes to the wrong places...any country that has a Space program(like India) should not be taking money from our foreign aid budget...the other thing it is spent on totally the wrong things.

In my opinion, the money need to go to sorting out the infrastucture in our own country and dealing with the thorny issue of social care and homelessness.

But then that is another subject altogether

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It is hard to forget the politicians who have given us so much to remember.
To despise them for.
For taking democracy and grinding it into the dust.
For thwarting the will of those who put you into Parliament to serve them.
For being deaf to the needs of those who rely on you for support.
For denying sovereignty and the ability to make our own way in the world.
For disrespecting the lives of our grandfathers in two major conflicts....those who fought for our freedom from dictators.
For surrendering our country to The EU.....who want to see us in tatters.
You are a spineless gutless bunch....but the time will come when we will be given the chance to extract payment for your treachery.

Remember the traitors when you next go to the ballot box.
They do NOT deserve your support.

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Corbyn is supposed to represent the working class, they voted to leave the E.U.:rolleyes:

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Yet another clear eyed view from across the Atlantic.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ndum-proposal/

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Cashy, there is no such thing as a Labour Party anymore.
There is something that calls itself the Labour party...but it is not the party that it was when it fought for the working class.

It changed under the auspices of Tony Blair...the arch war criminal.
It lost its Socialist roots, but unfortunately its Socialist followers are in denial about this and will continue to vote in perpetuity for an organisation that does not have their interests at its core...as long as it is wearing Labour party colours they will vote for it...because it is tradition....no thought goes into it....it is a reflex action...like Pavlovs dogs.


the country is in a sorry mess...all caused by politicians pursuing their own agendas...wanting to make it into the history books...well they have done THAT alright.


Treachery lives in the Palace of Westminster.

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i think its caused by "Stupid People"who will vote for any party so long as it has the right colored rosette.

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Yes, undoubtedly, but the biggest culprits are the Brexit saboteurs.....the likes of Ken Clarke, John Major, David Gaulke, Keir Starmer, Philip Hammond, Amber Rudd...in fact they know who they are...and so do we.
Come a General Election, I hope the voters remember them for their treachery.

All that said, many of them are rich beyond the dreams of the man in the street so it will inconvenience them very little.
Amber Rudd for instance, has gone off to work with her brother, millionaire Roland Rudd...an arch remainer and the man who has poured funds into an organisation to reverse Brexit.


I have read that when the bill to stop No Deal being an option, that Boris will ignore it and when taken to court will mount his own action against the law(it was not passed by a recognised body of government).
It seem that this will be around the 19th of October...and the legal wranglings will be so very complex that it is hoped(I have everythig crossed...including my eyes, when I say this) that there will not be time for it to be fully dealt with before we leave the EU.

This slender thread is what I am hanging my hopes on right now.

Shortly after that there might be the call for an Election...which you would hope that Boris would win.

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Johnson should propose another referendum with two options: Treason May’s Withdrawal Agreement or Clean Brexit.
These duplicitous MPs and their media muppets who are pretending they just want to stop a so-called “no deal” are liars. They want to overturn the 2016 Referendum vote by connivance.
We all know, if the Brussels Broadcasting Corruption is to believed :eek:, the EU will offer no other deal than May’s WA. And these same MPs voted that down 3 times. So exactly what kind of different ‘deal’ do they think they are trying to compel Johnson to agree?
Call such a referendum and let’s see how many of the Democracy Deniers suddenly bleat that they don’t want that kind of referendum, just their kind of referendum.
It’s pathetic but at least we now know without any doubt that Westminster and it’s parasitic media despise the British public.

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So, we have another referendum.....and it falls in favour of a 'Clean Brexit'...by lets say a 1% majority.

Do you really think it will make one iota of difference?
even if the majority was only ONE vote...it is still a majority...but I feel that it would not be acceptable.

As you say the members of parliament were given numerous options for a deal(all of them were crap), so had they really wanted a deal they could have opted for one of those, but(as you rightly observe) A deal is NOT what they want,,,they want to revoke article 50 and are doing everything in their power to try to make that happen.
It is fine and dandy for the remainers to use underhand tactic/dirty tricks, but there are howls of derision when those who want to leave use such tactics.

Exactly what will another three month extension achieve?..other than kicking the problem down the road and giving more time for skulduggery.
Boris should have prorogued parlaiment from the 3rd of September until the 31st of October.

They cannot keep on doing the same things and expecting a different outcome...because that is the definition of stupidity

Bring on a general election(I never thought I would say that) let ANY political party doorstep me...and they had better have some good answers at the ready because I will be asking some very thorny questions.

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There was an article recently I read about how the EUSSR were attempting to bully Switzerland into compliance with various demands.
Apparently, unlike UK politicians, the Swiss government is not so lily-livered as I read this today:
The EU's attempt to bully the Swiss by removing the previous right for EU citizens to trade shares in Swiss companies on the Swiss stock exchange has not worked. The Swiss retaliated by restricting trading in major Swiss companies like Nestle and Novartis to Switzerland's own stock exchange. Thus far, this has worked well with business booming on the Swiss exchange but down on EU exchanges including London. This a small matter compared to the wider concerns of London finance but is a good example of a small country standing up to the EU.

S’funny, but I can’t see the Brussels Broadcasting Corruption reporting that.

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I also read that...think it might have been in Briefings for Brexit.

As for the BBC, they are as partisan as the inpartial(NOT) speaker of the house.

It seems that his days might be numbered too.
Normally, there is no opposition put up at election time to the constituency of the speaker, but this is said to be changed in time for the next election....oh what a shame, never mind.
I am very sure that someone like Guy Verhofstad would like a right hand man like John Betcow, at his side.....so he might find employment over the channel.

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i have been trying to find the piece I read where it explains the legal situation with regard to stopping NODeal Brexit

I will keep looking and Post it when I find it.

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I am pretty sure that I also read that this law that was hurried through to take NODeal off the table does not need the Queens assent. Like other laws.....but actually needs the Queens CONSENT.
And if that were true she would ask for the advice from her Prime Minister....he would simply tell her to deny consent.....and the law would fail.

If this is not used, then I think that the PM can ignore the law as it was not made by a recognised government body....of course that would provoke an injunction.....followed by the PM taking the legal issue to the High Court.

My understanding is that while this was going on, the clock is ticking down to the exit date.

Because this would be complicated (legally) it would not be dealt with before the 31st of October.

The other thing I am holding onto(not with much hope) is that Guy Verhofstad and Macron have both said that any request for an extension might be vetoed.....with the emphasis on the word ' might '

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Why on earth would anyone want such a poisonous gnome on their staff.
It is said of him ' he can make bother in an empty room'.

If we do manage to get out, then maybe the BBC will have to change its standpoint.

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well the E.U. is full of em, so why not?

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Parliament is full of them too.
Time that the swamp was drained.....and pruned.....there is no way that we need 650 MP's for a population of what? 66 million.
And over the last 47 years they have done NO real governing.....that is why they are horrified at the thought of leaving the EU....it will mean that they have to do some work.

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Yes, that is it...but I also read a comment on a news site from a person with legal knowledge and it was explained more simply.....but I have gone back over several days of my history and cannot find it.....which is sad because it made the situation a lot clearer(well, to me, anyway....maybe I am thick....they tell me it is a characteristic of Brexit supporters).

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John Bercow is standing down either at the next Election or by the 31st of Octoner...whichever comes first
Did he fall or was he pushed.

Too little, too late.
The traitor has done his damage he can now retire back to the hobs of hell.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-boris-johnson

there you go.

He is not contesting an election because it would be a contest....and in the normal course of events the Speaker of the house in unopposed by any other candidate.
I think he must be one of the most hated men in the country

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what a shame we(the voting public) cannot try him for abuse of power in public office.

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The Remoaners are jumping ship like a pack of rats.
First Rudd, who just happens to have a tiny majority in a heavily pro-Brexit constituency, and now the King of Slimeballs, Bercow, because he’s terrified of someone standing against him.

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Rudd @ Bercow are typical of "I cant get my own way" they really are pathetic,

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It has been mooted that Bercow could be drafted in as the UK Commisioner in the EU.
Notwithstanding he will become eligible for a pension pot of a million quid.....so he is not going to be much inconvenienced by leaving the speakers chair.

He has single handedly damaged the democratic process of the UK.

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https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_feb_w...al_abomination

Is this what you want for the UK?

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PEOPLE that just want to line their own pockets give not 1 stuff about that.

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You might find this interesting too.....what the EU plans to do with UK taxpayers hard earned cash.
https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_sep_c...ine,2#comments

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I just wish the papers would stop telling us all how the PM is going to deal with the issue of this law passed to prevent No Deal.

Whatever is going to be done should be top secret known only to the most trusted leavers in the cabinet.
Telling what he might do gives the twisted remainer MP's a look at the plans so that they can get up to dirty tricks.....unless of course these bits of information are 'red herrings' and the PM has some other strategy that he is keeping quiet about(I truly hope that is the case).

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Rudd & Bercow would sit well by joining the Libs, a party that want’s a second referendum only to reject the result if it’s not the result they wanted, I really don’t see how anyone who believes in a democracy could vote for them

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The great British media have form on treachery, Margaret. This is one summary of how the Print Barons behaved in 1939.

Appeasement provides an interesting way to look at how the subject was reported in British newspapers. The two major press barons, Lord Rothermere (The Daily Mail, The Sunday Dispatch and The Evening News) and Lord Waldorf Astor (The Times and The Observer) were both strong supporters of appeasement and so the public had a very distorted picture of the negotiations. Rothermere and Astor both used their newspapers to provide a positive image of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany
https://spartacus-educational.com/sp...-blogURL7.html

S’funny how those newspapers mentioned above that still exist have always been, or have become the mouthpieces of the Remoaners.