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Apologies if i’ve mentioned this afore now but we have a very smart German friend (a police inspector who now lectures police students) and she said it’s exactly the same in her country.
Despite what the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation spew out, not all Germans think the EU is so wonderful. And whenever it decides something that is not liked in Germany, their politicos come out with the old rubbish about it not being them, it’s the EU and ve hav to obey!

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1229213]
Add to that, the fact that something in the order of 80% of MP's had no desire to leave the EU....why would they?

they want to remain as it gives em another job opportunity in the future if they get voted out in their constituancy.

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Yes Monkey Hanger, they have their eyes set firmly on the trough.

I think the delaying tactics are contrived to breed apathy.....to foster a desire to just get it over and vote for whatever sorts out the political paralysis.
They had not factored in the pure anger of those who believed we would be out by now....and they STILL do not get it.
The only way this is going to get settled is with a general election....and those remainer MP's given the boot.
Even in that situation they will not be leaving Parliament poor.

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Now then be careful, we mustn't mention German (or in fact French people or indeed any individual crushed into the lame dog of the EU), that might have individual thought, they will be the first against the wall when Brussels has finished destroying us.

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I don't think we need to be careful Less.
It is good to know that there are people in the other EU countries who are not just disillusioned by the shenanigans, but would also like out too.

Those over here who are trying to brainwash us into thinking that the EU is the best thing since sliced bread would have us believe that all is hunkydory over the channel.
So it is good to hear otherwise

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i know for a fact some people who live in the E.U. are sick to the back teeth of it, cos i talk to quite a few from when i used to live in the E.U. thing is you NEVER hear any folk like that being asked by the media, i wonder why?

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Cashy...you don't wonder...you are far too savvy to wonder...you KNOW that it is verboten to speak against the mighty Federal state of the EU(or if you want it in french....interdite).

To my mind it is creeping fascism...and no-one will convince me otherwise.
If it were not, the EU bloc would not have made such a song and dance about letting us out(well apart from the fact that we are a cash cow to them).

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Had to laugh this morning when I read this on the BBC website (it was about buying cars).
Funny how, when it comes to getting out of the EUSSR, the BBC et al regard being willing to walk away as a ludicrous idea.:rolleyes:

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totally agree cashy. its back to the TV licence debate again where the media especially the BBC are good at their pick and mix news to suit their agendas. if these people you know where actually on one of their documentatry programmes about the EU their views would be twisted and they would be made out to look idiots against those who are happy with the institution.

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Have just noticed Swinson new Lib Dem Leader says Boris aint fit to be P.M. thats a bit rich, coming from the Party that is completely ignoring the Referendum Result!! that silly bitch will go far.:D:D:D:D:D

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Another so-called democrat who is undemocratic if she doesn’t get her way.

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exactly.

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Doesn't mean she's wrong about Boris though, I have serious doubts - not that the other option was any better . . . . . .

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Thats daft shes against the democratic referendum, like the rest of the SCUMBAGS that vote now Lib Dem

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With Boris, it is a case of suck it and see.
He has an uphill struggle....mainly because there are so many treacherous snakes in Parliament....all intent on thwarting the will of the people.

I think they are drawing things out for as long as possible to make the voters get fed up.....to get them to change their minds.
I have not changed mine....OUT....OUT.....OUT.

If Boris does not deliver (or he tries to deliver something that means we leave in name only) then the party will be toast.

i hope he makes his cabinet all Leavers.....even then it is going to be tough.

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Wasn't supporting whatever her views on the Brexit debacle are Cashy, just saying I can quite understand anybody who has doubts about Boris Johnson's abilities as PM

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I have little faith in Boris Johnson. He didn’t decide to back Leave until the last seconds.
But, like Margaret suggests, if he fouls up or simply let’s things drag on and on his party will be electoral dust as and when an election is called.
The few Tory members know that. It’s just the majority of their super-annuated MPs that haven’t woken up.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1229760It’s just the majority of their super-annuated MPs that haven’t woken up.[/QUOTE]


I am beginning to wonder if they are in a medically induced coma.


The likes of Philip Hammond, David Gaulke and Rory Stewart seem to have Kamikaze ideals.....nothing aligned to the democratic vote.


I just hope that Boris Johnson doesn't think he can feed us the same pap we have been fed before.....you know the stuff....'this is a good deal'.....The withdrawal agreement needs settting fire to...it will never be acceptable in any shape or form.


I did read that some of the EU members were cosying up to the new PM...but he needs to know that he will not be able to sneak a psuedo arrangement past the people...too many politicians who do not like him(or trust him) will squeal like stuck pigs.


He has only a relatively short time to make some decisive moves...and we are watching.

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I like Boris (shame on me for saying that), but, he is old school politico.

Makes mistakes even talks a load of wiff waff but seems to be the only honest politician in the whole sordid bunch.

Lets have another 649 likewise idiots maybe we will finally get out of the Euro crap trap?

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It isn't that I don't like him.....I just wonder if he is up to this task....also, I am sure I am not alone in my distrust of what politicians tell me.

The three stooges were saying some stuff about Boris as PM.....which three stooges I hear you ask?
Blair, Brown, and Major...so maybe the fact that they don't like him, might be a stunning endorsement.
After all...Blair is a bigger liar than Tom Pepper...Brown sold our gold reserves at knockdown prices(the only good thing he did was keep us out of the Euro)....and Johm Major was the man who signed away our sovereignty at Maastricht...and his was the government in power on Black Wednesday....so they are no advert for sensible, believable politics are they?

I have my fingers crossed for BOJO...hope he can make good on his promises.

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We need another Churchill, unfortunately Boris seems to be the nearest we've got to anything like an honest(?) leader, mind you Blaire was quite popular until his true colours came out.

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To me....blair always seemed like a snake oil salesman.....I NEVER liked him.
He is the man who did irreparable damage to this country.....and still cannot accept that he is not just disliked...but HATED by many traditional Labour supporters.....he was not red..he was mauve...a closet conservative...champagne socialist.

Middle East Peace envoy...that went well - NOT

I never wish anyone's demise...but will not be sorry when he is knocking on the door of Satan's den

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1229771]To me....blair always seemed like a snake oil salesman.....I NEVER liked him.

and to think i hated thatcher then tony{arfur daley**blair rocked up with a greasy smile and a promise. a lifetime labour supporter who could never trust em again after that.

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another atlee would do me.

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Hear Greenpeace stopped B.J.s car when he was on way to palace? used to think they were ok. changed my opinion now after they proved what prats they are,:(

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Lock 'em up....and charge them for their accommodation in one of her Majesty's residences.
Shot the with rubber bullets....use a water cannon, run over them....just don't take the crap from them.

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Any day now they’ll be calling on Emma Thomson to fly, first class, from LA to join the barricades.

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Dont know who that is but obviously another stupid bitch.

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I wonder how those climate change activists got into London?
Did they walk? (I don't think so)...did they take public transport...who knows?
did they drive?
They are bleeding heart hypocrites who should be dealt with as the law permits.
If they are stupid enough to lie in front of a motorcade then should they get hurt that is THEIR problem.

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Climate change activists think everyone but themselves should cut back on everything, the 15 year old Greta Thunberg probably has a bigger carbon foot print than anyone she spends her time condemning

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I bet there aren't many airline pilots or staff that have joined green peace.
It's just a hobby for those that don't have to work for a living.
First ones into the bunkers if global warming ever gets serious.

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It has almost become s psuedo religion that serves those virtue signallers who consider themselves superior,in intellect and social standing.

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Spot on, Margaret. It has many of the trappings of a religion for the secular middle classes.

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Yes....even the evangelical part.
All of them probably have mobile phones, have a couple of holidays a year....flights etcetera.....but they want to impede those who need to go about their daily lives.....doing the important stuff like looking after the sick, driving the buses, delivering food.

And we are allowing the young folk to be brainwashed into accepting these beliefs as facts.
They make me want to turn to drink.

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Most are middle class prats, that are too lazy to work and the young fall for bullshine every time just like the students did with Corbyn.

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Recently there was a story about a twenty three year old woman...one of those Extinction Rebellion group....they blocked roads leading to Bristol and in doing so prevented a man getting to see his dying father.
She wept when she heard this, but still said they were doing 'the right thing'....it now transpires that there are pictures of this selfish madam in far flung tourist places....none of which she could possibly have reached by bicycle.

BLOODY HYPOCRITES....that is what they are.

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Recently there was a story about a twenty three year old woman...one of those Extinction Rebellion group....they blocked roads leading to Bristol and in doing so prevented a man getting to see his dying father.
She wept when she heard this, but still said they were doing 'the right thing'....it now transpires that there are pictures of this selfish madam in far flung tourist places....none of which she could possibly have reached by bicycle.

BLOODY HYPOCRITES....that is what they are.

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We are all supposed to go back to the Stone Age and will not even be allowed to rub sticks together to make fire....pollutants from wood smoke...the work of the devil.

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[QUOTE=accybeme;1229814]Climate change activists think everyone but themselves should cut back on everything,

its always been the same with these sorts of people. they are the ones who are right and any nasty name you can think of is levelled at those who dare have another viewpoint. a few hot days in summer and its global warming, a really cold winter its global warming. a colder wetter than usual summer with a mild winter, guess what its global warming. in the roman times they had vines growing as north as hadrians wall. wonder what their answer to that would have been. i,m a climate change activist so you do as i say whilst i,m getting into my old 3 litre diesal car to nip down to the shops.

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true cashy plus the actors, singers and musicians who fall into the same catogary. one reason why trump is so disliked by these groups.

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there was supposed to have been the "Ice Age" way back in time, What caused that? there was none of these knobheads then

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There have always been huge fluctuations in climate...long before we all emerged from the swamp.

These people have been brainwashed by flawed science....and some of it has been skewed by the scientists carrying out the 'research'.
It is a fine way to dip into our pockets...to create a sort of fear.....and that allows the elite to exert a sort of control over the masses.


It makes me laugh when I see that there are moves to get rid is petrol driven vehicles.....and replace them with electric versions.
Can you imagine commuters coming home after a long day at work and plugging in their cars, electric bikes....turning on the electric cooker to cook tea, the electric boiler to have a shower??
The National grid will go into meltdown.

Unless of course the government are going to make a vast drive to fit ALL buildings with photo-voltaic panels to generate power....but can you see it happening?

That aside, the batteries for these electronic vehicles are not a bit Eco friendly.....the materials used and the disposal of extinct batteries are going to cause a different kind of problem.

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Continuing from your post Margaret.
Imagine the amount of claims people will be putting in for injuries sustained from falling over the hundreds of cables crossing the footpaths charging cars with no garage. How about the flats with a communial carpark, it will be a nightmare sorting out which cable goes to which car.

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This is an epic of a thread wander.
So I am going to try to get Back on topic.

I am glad that Boris has said there will be NO discussion unless the hated backstop is removed.
The crew over in Brussels are still saying that the backstop CANNOT be changed.....so it is looking like the WA agreement will not be ratified.

JRM was saying that the only way out of the impasse is for those Tories who have thwarted Brexit so far, should table a motion to revoke article 50.
He says that this will not happen for two reasons.....it would fail to get the votes and those Tories who do not want to leave do not have the guts to do this.

The only other way is to bring a vote of 'no confidence' and bring down the government.
Right now I do not know how that would go down.
On the first day of his premiership the mood in Parliament seemed to have lightened considerably....with an air of optimism that has been absent for the last three years.

I really, really, DO hope that Boris succeeds in getting us out....not with a rehashed version of the TM withdrawal agreement....but with something better...but failing that, leave by default...which is what we should already have done.
No extensions....these cost us £1billiom quid each month we stay captured....so it is lucrative for Brussels to give us yet more extensions.

I want to be OUT....right OUT!

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And suddenly those in Brussels are getting a bit twitchy.
They know that they are not dealing with an apologetic appeasing Prime Minister who wants to please both leavers and remainers....they are dealing with someone who might just call their bluff.....and keep £39 billion quid settlement money.
Germany is on the brink of a full blown recession, France is similarly financially strapped.
So who is going to make up the balance of the UK contributions when we leave.
Maybe the mandarins over there are going to have to rein in their spending....fly easy jet and get a liking for pale ale...or Vimto.

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Another bit of news(from a source that seems to have its' nose put out of joint by Boris being PM....once a leaver publication, but now a remainer).
Boris has been up in Manchester promising to find money for better inter city transport links....this news media calls this a 'bribe'....nothing of the sort, it is a long awaited recognition that these links are long overdue.
Maybe it will be funded from the money we do not pay to Brussels as a Leaving charge.

There are some that say we must pay this money.....as it is part of money we agreed to pay for the pensions of those like JCJ and MB.
What about the assets that the U.K. Have funded, buildings....let them take the money out of our joint assets.

I hate this use of biased language....it is like when the media say 'crashing out'.....meaning leaving by default.
I can see through it, but there are some that will swallow this

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How on earth should we Pay the money? The E.U. kept telling us nothing is agreed, until everything is agreed!! now that means the money also.

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Apparently Cashy, we agreed to pay a very large sum towards the pensions of those who work for the EU...and because this was agreed, it appears that we are duty bound to pay it.
Though just how it would be enforced I am not sure(but it involves convoluted international law).
It is said that if we renege on this payment then other countries that we might wish to trade with would not trust us to be good to our word.
Personally I would like to tell the EU to 'Get stood on' (a more diplomatic phrase for foxtrot oscar ...and I do not mean foreign office) they can pay for their own bloody pensions.
As I said, there must be common property in the EU that we have paid towards...money that we can never get back...let them take it out of that.

I do Hope that Boris hold his nerve....and fails to cave in under the stony stares of the barstewards over there.

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I fail to see how it can be enforced i hope he tells them to get stuffed, suspect he will, but will put it better than me.:D

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You and me both.
Such a lot could be achieved by that kind of money.
It could help renew infrastructure...be invested in things that would assist trade, both at home and in the wider world.

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No deal where else do we have to go, the deal the EU has on offer was such a bad deal for the UK that it was defeated 432 to 202, if the EU has nothing else to offer then that only leave no deal, if the MP’s force an election it would solve nothing, the EU has on offer is still so unpalatable, most of labour’s votes come from the north of England where most voters cast their votes to leave yet Corbyn persists on a remain stance, that seems political suicide

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Most labour votes seem to be wasted, the will of the people is ignored by their representatives, (especially by idiots wearing scarves and posing outside their mothers shop).
Mind you same seems to be happening with all other parties, ignore the majority let's go for what lines our pockets.

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Everybody with eyes to see, ears to listen, and a brain to think know precisely what the Remoaners mean when they, and their propagandists in the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation, say they can’t accept a so-called “no deal”.
Notwithstanding that Treason May’s ‘deal’ is no such thing, it’s a treaty with the ‘deal’ yet to be agreed, and has been voted down three times by MPs, it’s simply about over-turning the referendum result.
https://briefingsforbrexit.com/remai...eal-intention/

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That is spot on Less and the idiots DO NOT think anyone can see it.:rolleyes: Also they want desperately to OVERTURN the Democratic vote of the people.

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We the people, need our arse kicking, doesn't matter if you voted to stay or leave, if it doesn't line our politicians pocket it has been proved over the last few years WE WILL BE IGNORED AND BLAMED FOR THE STATE CAUSED BY OUR 'representatives' (it's a long time since we've had any of those).

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Why do the electorate need their ar$e kicked Less?

We vote on what they promise in their manifesto(even those of us who have lived a long time and know that these people will say and do ANYTHING to get our cross in their box....and know that they will ultimately betray us)....that THEY DO NOT HONOUR THEIR PROMISE....is not down to us.

We have to vote for someone....if we don't,then we may find that our vote is taken from us.

Though, that said it is very disappointing to have your high hopes of a representative who,promised much and delivered nothing, voted back despite his poor parliamentary voting record(regardless of his protestations)....I voted for him once...but never again.
If someone does not follow through on their promise then I am done.....no second chance, no second glance.

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Reading that link posted by Exile make my blood boil.(but thank you for posting it)
That we have in our Parliament, and within the governing party, people who would have the UK eaten up by the United States of Europe....that we would be sucked back into this undemocratic,money gobbling, corrupt regime.....and that these politicians KNOW this....but still want their place at the trough(I find it all very sinister)....rather than what is best for the U.K. beggars belief.

Out, out Now.
A pox on the EU.
I hope I live long enough to see it fold in a spectacular manner.

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think there are plenty of remainers out there would love to see the united states of europe happening sooner rather than later plus all of europe having the euro. younger the person more likely to hear that view. mind you they have been brain washed since leaving the womb where any love for your country is seen as some reactionary thought.

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And that is why the voters need their arse kicked because even though his record shows him to be as much use as a wet fart the daft sods keep voting him and others like him back in.

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That is because they do not use the thinking part of their brain to vote. Less...they would vote for a donkey if it was wearing a Labour rosette...in fact thinking about it a Donkey would probably be of more use than our current representative.

Our current MP has had his head turned and is not in it for the borough, but for his back pocket.
Even if he was kicked out tomorrow he would e OK..he has networked...made contacts...so he has irons in the fire.

I would never vote for him again, but even then that I would vote for someone else has no guarantees of success...you do not know how an MP is going to treat the constituents until they are in post...and by then it is too late.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1229961]That is because they do not use the thinking part of their brain to vote. Less...they would vote for a donkey if it was wearing a Labour rosette...in fact thinking about it a Donkey would probably be of more use than our current representative.

its the same everywhere margaret and not just labour voters either. a conservative donkey would get votes in plenty of places also. its this attitude of i,m labour and always will be or actually voteing for the leader of the party and not who is standing for your own constituancy.]

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That has never been my way of voting.
I have NO party political allegiances.
I try to find out about local candidates.....but also if the party does not support the things I think are important then I will look for an alternative....frequently there isn't one so in that case I would scribble 'none of the above ' on my paper.

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The result at Brecon just shows the arrogance of the Remainers, the bitch that won says people didn,t vote for NO DEAL. how the hell does "Anyone" know what those millions voted, i know damn well i voted LEAVE, what the rest voted for i can only assume.

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Too true Cashy, what a false statement she made in saying it was a vote to take no-deal off the table, if you add the votes of the leave parties together i.e. Brexit party & cons, there are more votes for leave

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I don't like the result of this by election...it should go to a second vote.
Well, that is how they treated the referendum isn't it?

Thi is no surprise at all after there have been more great lumps of project fear.
Mark Cartney, the worst governor of the BOE talking down our currency instead of raising interest rates to address the problem.
Interest rates have been maintained artificially low for more than a decade.
China does this to make it more competitive in the world market.

As for the exchange rates...simple answer holiday here...benefit our economy.

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thats something that always gets me is holidays. when they talk about holidays they should say holidays abroad. another modern day asumption is that we all go abroad and the exchange rate is on our minds for months and months. funny also as they only mention the exchange rate being good for our exporters right at the end of these reports.

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Lets see, Benidorm or Brid? Tough choice, they talk funny, eat strange things & are a peculiar bunch, still that's Yorkingshire for you! Yeah, it'd be the Yorkingkshire Riviera for me despite their strange ways. :)

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Pelosi just announced "Whatever form it takes, Brexit cannot be allowed to imperil the Good Friday Agreement, including the seamless border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland,"... ruling out a UK/US deal with a hard Brexit.
So with Europe and US markets out of reach and a pound expected to lose another 10% against the Dollar by October who are you going to trade with, China?
Just asking a serious question?

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No one. OMG! :eek:
We won’t be able to trade with anyone. It’s the end of the world. We’re doomed, aye, we’re doomed.

Here’s a serious answer to a childish question.

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-s...ing-the-goods/

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Where are you getting these predictions from?
There have been a lot of people predicting things that have not happened.....and these have been people who were supposedly 'in the know' like the governor of the BOE.....the CBI.
This has been done with the prime intention of talking down the UK....and with it Sterling.
It has been done by people who never wanted to Leave the EU because those people have vested interests in maintaining the status quo....in allowing Brussels to dictate our laws....they want us to be absorbed into the EUSS. They want to take our money, they want to impose freedom of movement, they want to skew trading conditions(like paying our farmers not to cultivate fields so that they can sell produce from other EU states to us) they have no interest in doing what is best for us.
The EU is a failed bit of socio-political engineering.

For a bit of light reading why don't you look up the document FCO30/1048 and see how our politicians bamboozled us all those years ago....and how they KNEW exactly what they were leading us into....and did it gladly, but covertly.

NONE of this affects YOUR daily life.

The Irish backstop was a way that the EU would guarantee that we would never be able to free ourselves from its clutches.


No one can predict with any kind of accuracy what is going to happen.....so it is best not to take a great deal of notice of these prognostications..

And your question is NOT a serious one, it is one that is loaded with contentious Bovine excrement. Sneering and snidey into the bargain

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Thank you for including the link to that enlightening article.
I will keep that in my bookmarks to refer to.

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Burningman,
Here’s another opinion about the so-called Irish backstop - from a professor at Trinity College Dublin.
Maybe when (if) you read it you can forward it to your pal Pelosi.
https://briefingsforbrexit.com/an-op...des-to-brexit/

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Keep 'em coming!

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Nancy Pelosi wants to retain the validity of the GFA.....the meddling hypocrite that she is.
All she wants to do is ensure those Irish-American voters stay on side.....she forgets that the IRA was funded by money from her side of the pond....from those Irish Americans that she says now want to protect the Peace that was brought about by the GFA.

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That is just what they believe...it does not make it a fact.

If the people that stock markets listen to, held their whisht instead of talking down our economy, then that would make a difference.

Your own stock market is currently down 800 points and 3% on the day.
Germany has experienced some economic turbulence too....so it is a global situation.

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Please be aware that Nancy Pelosi is a confused dithering old bat whose brain has been subjected to shots of Botox in an attempt to expand her IQ above her present level of 40.
Other than that I have no strong opinions.
-Joe

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Thank you More Joe, I am well aware of her deficiencies...and her motives.

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Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise you believe the scribbling of money lenders, gamblers and associated bankers over ordinary folks’ life experience.
Keep reading Project Fear, Burningman, the bankers will never lie to you, surely not?

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/evide...ade-by-remain/

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:):dummy2:BOOM!

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Pelosi eh? Not being right up on politics of the US of A, just who the hell is this owd Binter then? What are her super powers then? And since when did she get put in charge? Last I looked the Donald J was the boss of the states & from what the papers & news keep reporting ... er, he still is!

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Pelosi is the head thief of the democrat party. She is a politician in the worst sense sense of the word. In her role in politics she has steered millions of dollars into the coffers of her husband and herself. This multimillionaire lives in San Francisco in a gated and walled community while preaching "Open Borders" for everyone else. As Speaker of the House of Representatives she is third in line of succession to executive power behind the President and the Vice President. God help the world if this dithering confused old bat ever winds up in charge.
Of course that is just an opinion. I could be wrong?
-Joe

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yer spot on joe not wrong.

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My understanding of the political system of the US is very rudimentary...but I am always suspicious of those who preach one thing whilst expecting their electors to do the opposite.
I think from what I have read, she has reached her level of incompetence...and her meddling in the affairs that affect the UK is unwanted...we have enough of our own grown snakes(Ken Clarke, Philip Hammond, Dominic Grieve Goto Bebb all spring immediately to mind) here without her adding to the pot.

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Looks like The Washington Post agrees with you, Joe.
Below an extract from its website:

“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband’s real estate and investment firm over the past decade, a practice of paying a spouse with political donations that she supported banning last year.
Financial Leasing Services Inc. (FLS), owned by Paul F. Pelosi, has received $99,000 in rent, utilities and accounting fees...The payments have quadrupled since Mr. Pelosi took over as treasurer of his wife’s committee in 2007...”

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This just underscores the fact that the politicians are in it to feather their own nests...to look after their own interests.
No politician comes out of politics poorer.
All of them, regardless of the flag they travel under, seem to have a sense of entitlement....they feel elevated above those who put them into the political arena.
It looks like it might be the same the whole world over....and if they think they can get away with it...then they will.

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"GOOD NEWS!" Hot off the press, read all about it!


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-boris-johnson

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Yes...just been a long time coming. I won't start cheering just yet.
The remoaners will now redouble their efforts to think of a way to put a barrier in the way of leaving(though I cannot see how it would happen)

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They’ll probably declare war on China to them a World war would be better than leaving.


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Goodness, that would give the remoaners something new to blame Brexit for....wouldn't it?

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Everything is the fault of Brexit....none of the blame lands at the feet of the useless politicians who have done everything in their power to divert the democratic process.....and all because they are looking after their own ends...fulfilling their own agenda.
Our politicians have forgotten how to govern(or be part of a useful opposition).
They want to sit in that talking shop that is the Palace of Westminster and do nothing more than rubber stamp rules that come from Brussels.

The EU is falling apart. Italy and Greece are all but bankrupt.(they certainly cannot service their debt)
There is civil unrest in France and the yellow vests have not gone away....Macron has just applied a D notice to the reporting of the uprising. So the press are banned from reporting it.
Germany is on the brink of a recession.

The EU was a socio political experiment that turned into Frankensteins Monster.

As a trading organisation it was acceptable,( we'll sort of...there was still a lot of underhand stuff going on...skulduggery) but it had ideas above its station...a wannabe superstate.

It has sucked the life out of a number of countries(Portugal, Italy, Spain, Greece, Ireland) and turned them into nothing more than vassal states...it has stolen their identities.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1230544]

The EU was a socio political experiment that turned into Frankensteins Monster.

it proves yet again that BIG is not always better. local government re organisation closer to home proved that point. its gone from being a trading organisation monster to a super state in the making as many wont it to be even in this country.

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do not worry though as she,ll get total support from all the actors, singers ,musicians and the other pointless media darlings that have been on trumps back from the outset.

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This morning I just saw video from the G7 meeting in Paris.
It showed Boris and The Donald walking together down a grand staircase.
Here was my immediate comment:
"Where did Boris get that suit? And didn't they have one in his size?"


Not exactly Saville Row.
-Joe

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Ah yes, but the suit reflects his attitude he'll grow into it just as he's grown into the position of P.M.

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Boris had already grown out of it.
He needs to shrink quite a bit to achieve a fit.
It is that or buy bigger suits!

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It wasn't a fashion parade.....and it just goes to show that he cares not one jot about what other people think of him.
You may say 'well to be smart you have to look smart'.....TM always looked smart, but that got us absolutely nowhere in respect of negotiations.
She was backwards and forwards like a fiddlers elbow, trying to beg for favours.
So looks are not what matters in the great scheme of things.....it is decisive actions...and they still need to happen, but Donald Tusk looked like a bulldog licking wazz off a thistle.....and Guy Verhofstad is swivel eyed at the thought that the UK won't stump up 39 billion.

So while Boris is not sartorially elegant....he is doing alright(and I never thought I would say that)

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So if he manages to get us what was voted for who gives a rats?

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Nah, you should have seen him yesterday, it only fitted where it touched, he has become man mountain coming on in leaps and bounds, he'll have the E.U. leaders curtsey whenever he enters the room.
By the way, this isn't a Disney animation of the emperors clothes this is politics who cares how he looks he's the best hope to get the job done.
(I can't believe I'm sticking up for a tory).[emoji38]

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Me neither Less, me neither! :D