Attack on soldier in woolwich

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by accyman

just read that a french soldier ha sbeen stabbed in the neck in france

I rest my case.
Maybe, just maybe, if the press had not made such a feast of it, then this would not have happened.

During wartime there were news blackouts, and while I do not advocate such a response, I do think that the news media should be prohibited from glorifying the incidents....and certainly no pictures.

[accyman]

maybe its an organised attack and theres more to come around bases around the world that have soldiers whos countries have helped in afghanistan

it is possible that people dont try slitting a soldiers throat in france just because a few pictures of it happening in the UK were published

kevin bigley got his head cut off and it was very public infact teh video of it was on youtube for the world to see but there wasnt a spree of beheadings or copycats

[Margaret Pilkington]

The Kevin Bigley thing was totally different. He wasn't, to my knowledge, a serving soldier.

These are soldiers on their home soil....and this must count as guerilla warfare.

Maybe this is a new phase in the terror campaign.... a different approach.
It still should not be reported in the media in the sensationalist way it has been....all the media have done the same over kill job on it...and it isn't necessary.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The Kevin Bigley thing was totally different. He wasn't, to my knowledge, a serving soldier.

These are soldiers on their home soil....and this must count as guerilla warfare.

Maybe this is a new phase in the terror campaign.... a different approach.
It still should not be reported in the media in the sensationalist way it has been....all the media have done the same over kill job on it...and it isn't necessary.

your saying advertising butchery makes other people run out and do it if advertised you didnt say only soldiers

kevin bigleys murder was very much publicised both on the internet and in the news.

they are not totally different they were both carried out in the name of allah and they were both british plus both of them were helping the people that wanted them dead in one way or another infact theres more similarities than not

its no good resting your case then changing your point to suit

[Margaret Pilkington]

I haven't changed my point to suit anything.
The French incident was a soldier on his home soil, the recent events in London were on a serving soldier.
Yes all of the atrocities, including the Kevin Bigley incident were done in the name of the muslim religion, but there the similarity ends.
And nowhere did I say that advertising butchery makes other people run out and do the same thing...so please do not put words in my mouth that I didn't say.

My comments were that other (radicalised/extremist/fanatical) muslim men would feel that this was a good way to hit targets who were not expecting it.....that they could inflict terrorism into the heart of the UK....and the media give them all the publicity that they crave.
Do not give them the oxygen of publicity.......the propaganda of their cause is nourished by it.

[accyman]

so what would you have the news do

put a complete block on these incidents so we can live in ignorance and unaware of the danger amongst us ?

At least now the world knows what filthy animals these people are and how big a threat they are.Government wont do a damn thing if people dont want change and people wont want change if they think everything is fine.

Also these animals and them like them know that we wont stand for it by all the floods of support for this soldier that are everywhere from the papers to the internet

the only people not supporting this soldier are the polititions who are busy covering their arses

[MargaretR]

MI5's dubious methods are being exposed

Exclusive: How MI5 blackmails British Muslims - Home News - UK - The Independent

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by accyman

so what would you have the news do

put a complete block on these incidents so we can live in ignorance and unaware of the danger amongst us ?

At least now the world knows what filthy animals these people are and how big a threat they are.Government wont do a damn thing if people dont want change and people wont want change if they think everything is fine.

Also these animals and them like them know that we wont stand for it by all the floods of support for this soldier that are everywhere from the papers to the internet

the only people not supporting this soldier are the polititions who are busy covering their arses

No, Accyman. You can't have read my posts very well. I have said what I would do....and quite clearly.

There needs to be some responsibility taken by the communities that house and nurture these radical men...the universities are hotbeds of radicalisation and they also should be the targets.
Some imams encourage this radicalisation of disaffected muslim men. If the religion of Islam is really a religion of peace, then the congregations of the mosques where imams encourage terrorism should stand against them....but I won't hold my breath on that one.

The oxygen of publicity is exactly what the terrorists want. Report incidents in a clinical fashion.....no media frenzy, no pictures and once reported leave the story alone unless there is something really new that will add to the understanding.

The hardest enemy to defeat is the one which walks in our midst...think Trojan Horse, and then you will know what I mean.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

MI5's dubious methods are being exposed

Exclusive: How MI5 blackmails British Muslims - Home News - UK - The Independent

A very good article
Do you not find it strange that the six men all work together? Could it be that they all worship at the same mosque and have been subjected to some brainwashing by one of the other attendees - a "Mad Mullah" perhaps.
How often does one newspaper get a genuine exclusive story of this magnitude - the subjects usually hawk the stories around to get the best price so other nwspapers are aware that there is a big "exclusive story" going the rounds.
Has their MP raised the subject - I think he is Labour and would therefore have gloried in being able to expose the perfidious Tory Government.

[cashman]

Where does it say they all work together? it says they are all community workers thats all i can see, n sod all to do wi politics, commonsense tells me if it has happened community workers are good targets.

[accyman]

another stabbing a few hundred yards from where the soldier was murdered and already authorities are running around trying to assure people the two incidents arnt related

A man has been stabbed in Woolwich, just days after the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby.

The stabbing took place about 300 metres from the spot where flowers and cards have been left in memory of Drummer Rigby.

Police said in a statement that they were called at 15:53 to reports of a stabbing incident along Wellington Street.

"LAS (London Ambulance Service) and officers are currently on scene and dealing," the statement said.

No arrests have been made and injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

just a coincidence then i suppose

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by cashman

Where does it say they all work together? it says they are all community workers thats all i can see, n sod all to do wi politics, commonsense tells me if it has happened community workers are good targets.

It says they all work for Kentish Town Community Organisation and come from Camden/North London.

MI5 is certainly concentrating a lot of attention on this organisation. I wonder why?

MP- Frank Dobson, not a man to hold back but his response is quite mild.

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

It says they all work for Kentish Town Community Organisation and come from Camden/North London.

MI5 is certainly concentrating a lot of attention on this organisation. I wonder why?

MP- Frank Dobson, not a man to hold back but his response is quite mild.

You beat me to it Gordon. I didn't think it was hidden in the small print.

[GEaston]

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[Studio25]

Originally Posted by GEaston

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