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kestrelx 12-04-2012 13:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 984756)
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the bum

It's well known a lot of molesters - think they had some kind of "right" to do it. This is a self-belief they have which also makes them think that what they did was right and enables them to live with it!

Coleen Nolan said that Saville was very hands on and she didn't like it back when the Nolans were on Top of the Pops! That is one person who felt uncomfortable with Saville - perhaps others of less fame were intimidated to keep their gobs shut!

davemac 12-04-2012 13:33

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 984815)
It's well known a lot of molesters - think they had some kind of "right" to do it. This is a self-belief they have which also makes them think that what they did was right and enables them to live with it!

Coleen Nolan said that Saville was very hands on and she didn't like it back when the Nolans were on Top of the Pops! That is one person who felt uncomfortable with Saville - perhaps others of less fame were intimidated to keep their gobs shut!

You persist with your wild allegations despite no proof, I can no longer stomach your sick jibes. I therfore withdraw from this topic and any that you subscribe to, I will also put you on my ignore list (you are the first) as your contribution to this site lowers the topic level to the gutter.

kestrelx 12-04-2012 13:42

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Originally Posted by davemac (Post 984816)
You persist with your wild allegations despite no proof, I can no longer stomach your sick jibes. I therfore withdraw from this topic and any that you subscribe to, I will also put you on my ignore list (you are the first) as your contribution to this site lowers the topic level to the gutter.

nolans documentry - YouTube

In this video at 3.30 - listen to what Coleen Nolan says! IN her own words, "I was 14 and he was all over me!" Very professional.

If you feel so upset by this then I wonder why? Listen to what Coleen Nolan said about Mr Saville!

Less 12-04-2012 13:51

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 984817)



If you feel so upset by this then I wonder why?

Instead of searching for more trash, why not consider what effect your perverse form of witch hunt is having so far as what others think of you?

I know you have feelings, otherwise you wouldn't spit your dummy out so easily when people offer genuine criticism for the toxic rubbish you pollute the site with.

jaysay 12-04-2012 17:44

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 984815)
It's well known a lot of molesters - think they had some kind of "right" to do it. This is a self-belief they have which also makes them think that what they did was right and enables them to live with it!

You seem to know quite a lot about this subject and how "these people" feel, ummmm;)

annesingleton 12-04-2012 19:02

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 984817)
nolans documentry - YouTube

In this video at 3.30 - listen to what Coleen Nolan says! IN her own words, "I was 14 and he was all over me!" Very professional.

If you feel so upset by this then I wonder why? Listen to what Coleen Nolan said about Mr Saville!

Give it a rest! If you feel so strongly start an investigation and look for people who may be able to provide solid evidence and then take any direct information further through the appropriate channels.
You are messing with smoke and mirrors as it is or is it just that you are playing devil's advocate?

kestrelx 12-04-2012 21:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 984844)
You seem to know quite a lot about this subject and how "these people" feel, ummmm;)

It's common psychological make up of those types of people they think they are superior which is what thinks they can get away with it! it's in all the criminal profiling manuals etc - if you can read! :rolleyes:

cashman 12-04-2012 22:44

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 984940)
It's common psychological make up of those types of people they think they are superior which is what thinks they can get away with it! it's in all the criminal profiling manuals etc - if you can read! :rolleyes:

Was that yer diagnosis in Broadmoor?:D

walkinman221 13-04-2012 07:32

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 984749)
As wrong as I think the birdman is on many, many subjects, I think it wrong to use how he looks as ammunition in this sick thread.
Just because he gets his kicks slagging off a dead man, that gives you no right to have a cheap shot at how he (kestrelx) portrays himself.

Cheap shot maybe,true without a doubt:dflam:

garinda 13-04-2012 15:36

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 984956)
Was that yer diagnosis in Broadmoor?:D


...or what does this book about 'criminal profiling' have to say about blackmailers?

Sounds a fascinating read.

I might see if I can slip one in my shopping trolley, the next time I see one.

annesingleton 13-04-2012 19:16

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I've just seen Louis Theroux on the one show talking about Jimmy Saville - apparently he kept in touch and met up with him regularly after the documentary, and spoke quite fondly of him, describing him as one of our great eccentrics. Perhaps eccentricity is being mistaken on this thread for something more sinister?

cashman 13-04-2012 19:22

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 985102)
I've just seen Louis Theroux on the one show talking about Jimmy Saville - apparently he kept in touch and met up with him regularly after the documentary, and spoke quite fondly of him, describing him as one of our great eccentrics. Perhaps eccentricity is being mistaken on this thread for something more sinister?

Doubt very much if the thread starter is mistaking fer summat else, the only mistake hes made is with his username, Vulture would be more appropriate.

kestrelx 13-04-2012 19:45

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 985102)
I've just seen Louis Theroux on the one show talking about Jimmy Saville - apparently he kept in touch and met up with him regularly after the documentary, and spoke quite fondly of him, describing him as one of our great eccentrics. Perhaps eccentricity is being mistaken on this thread for something more sinister?

Yeh he was an eccentric, he was also close mate of Jonathan King for 25 years.


" King classes veteran TV presenter Jimmy Savile as one of his closest friends - they have known each other for 25 years. Savile once said of him: "He's a sabra. A sabra is an Israeli fruit that's prickly on the outside and all soft and lovely inside. That's Jonathan King." "

Quote by Jimmy Savile from - Who is Jonathan King? | UK news | guardian.co.uk

DaveinGermany 13-04-2012 19:55

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 985115)
"He's a sabra. A sabra is an Israeli fruit that's prickly on the outside and all soft and lovely inside."

Hedgepigs, exactly the same by all accounts. Well apart from them not being fruit, more like frisbees the ones I see. ;)

annesingleton 13-04-2012 20:19

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 985115)
Yeh he was an eccentric, he was also close mate of Jonathan King for 25 years.


" King classes veteran TV presenter Jimmy Savile as one of his closest friends - they have known each other for 25 years. Savile once said of him: "He's a sabra. A sabra is an Israeli fruit that's prickly on the outside and all soft and lovely inside. That's Jonathan King." "

Quote by Jimmy Savile from - Who is Jonathan King? | UK news | guardian.co.uk

Jonathan King has been convicted of offences, Jimmy Savile has not and since he is deceased he never will be. I have said previously that he made me feel uncomfortable but since I cannot substantiate my feelings I am not prepared to discuss them and until something concrete is uncovered Jimmy Savile is/was an innocent person and so does not deserve to have his motivation or behaviour questioned for no reason. I am sure he has family still alive who would be distressed by some of the comments made about him on this thread. Also as I have said previously if you feel so strongly find your proof and use it appropriately rather than using info gleaned via the internet to mount a campaign against him on this forum.

kestrelx 13-04-2012 23:15

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 985073)
...or what does this book about 'criminal profiling' have to say about blackmailers?

Sounds a fascinating read.

I might see if I can slip one in my shopping trolley, the next time I see one.


Nothing to do with me Pal! And I will report this posting as off topic and trolling!

garinda 13-04-2012 23:40

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 985194)
Nothing to do with me Pal! And I will report this posting as off topic and trolling!

Now then. Now then. Now then.

I was merely adding my thoughts, to earlier posts made in this thread.

Your thread relates to the alleged crimes, a few claim, were carried out by a now deceased popular entertainer.

It was you, yourself, who first brought up the subject of criminal offender profiling.

I know criminality fascinates some, but I don't know an awful lot about it. So the book you mentioned sounds quite interesting.

What makes a person become a child abuser, a rapist, a murderer, or a blackmailer, say?

It would be interesting to know.

As for Jimmy Saville.

Since under the British justice system we are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and seeing as the man in question is dead, and can't therefore be posthumously tried for any alleged crimes, perhaps he should be allowed to rest in peace.

garinda 14-04-2012 00:03

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Jimmy Saville doesn't now have the chance to face his accusers.

Having passed away.

What we do know, as fact, is that he raised an awful lot of money for various charities.

Which made a real difference, to the lives of a vast number of very sick people.

That's something we at least know to be true.

Unlike these scurrilous rumours.

I guess there's something in that old saying, about not speaking ill of the dead.

As someone might just do it to those who did.

When they're trying to rest in their grave.

jaysay 14-04-2012 08:43

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 985205)
Jimmy Saville doesn't now have the chance to face his accusers.

Having passed away.

What we do know, as fact, is that he raised an awful lot of money for various charities.

Which made a real difference, to the lives of a vast number of very sick people.

That's something we at least know to be true.

Unlike these scurrilous rumours.

I guess there's something in that old saying, about not speaking ill of the dead.

As someone might just do it to those who did.

When they're trying to rest in their grave.

Ya Rindi, Savile raised millions for charity and worked tirelessly for disadvantaged people, just wondering what Birdbrain has ever done for his fellow man, besides start scurrilous threads like this one, I think he's such a looser that he likes to be confrontational just to gain attention.

cashman 14-04-2012 13:30

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 985194)
Nothing to do with me Pal! And I will report this posting as off topic and trolling!

Put yer shirt back on,when yer tantrums oer.:rolleyes:Your post aint about the thread subject "Jimmy Saville", so report yerself as well birdbrain.:rolleyes:

kestrelx 17-04-2012 13:51

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 985205)
Jimmy Saville doesn't now have the chance to face his accusers.

Having passed away.

What we do know, as fact, is that he raised an awful lot of money for various charities.

Which made a real difference, to the lives of a vast number of very sick people.

That's something we at least know to be true.

Unlike these scurrilous rumours.

I guess there's something in that old saying, about not speaking ill of the dead.

As someone might just do it to those who did.

When they're trying to rest in their grave.

Perhaps there should be an Accrington Web Seance? :D Ask him to speak in his defence!
Only Fools and Horses - Jimmy Saville - YouTube

jaysay 17-04-2012 17:40

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 985915)
Perhaps there should be an Accrington Web Seance? :D Ask him to speak in his defence!
Only Fools and Horses - Jimmy Saville - YouTube

Is there anybody there;)

kestrelx 17-04-2012 19:14

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 985957)
Is there anybody there;)

How's about that then? Guy's and Gals...


RIP Sir Jimmy Savile - Watch Him Dance Like You've Never Seen Anyone Dance Before (1926-2011) - YouTube:D

Didn't a lot of people have dogdy haircuts in the 70's!

jaysay 18-04-2012 08:31

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 985986)
How's about that then? Guy's and Gals...


RIP Sir Jimmy Savile - Watch Him Dance Like You've Never Seen Anyone Dance Before (1926-2011) - YouTube:D

Didn't a lot of people have dogdy haircuts in the 70's!

There were a lot of us about in the 70s:D

egg&chips 01-10-2012 21:11

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Whatever the truth may be, Jimmy Savile's friends aren't coming across as a particularly trustworthy or likeable bunch. It's like being defended by Steptoe senior.

MargaretR 01-10-2012 23:46

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I expect that the documentary due to be aired on Wednesday will be the tip of the iceberg type of revelation.

I don't think that the many other rumours and allegations will ever be investigated because too many 'high profile' people would be implicated.

Boeing Guy 02-10-2012 01:13

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I expect better from you Margaret, ITV is point scoring here.
Since when have you taken mainstream TV or even the Press seriously, you are always telling us to look at obscure websites that 'tell the truth '

Back on topic, regardless of what he did or did not do, why does the detail come out now?
If the police investigated him several years ago and did not prosecute, then maybe it was through a lack of evidence.

It's rather awkward to defend yourself when you are dead

kestrelx 02-10-2012 08:21

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1020538)
I expect better from you Margaret, ITV is point scoring here.
Since when have you taken mainstream TV or even the Press seriously, you are always telling us to look at obscure websites that 'tell the truth '

Back on topic, regardless of what he did or did not do, why does the detail come out now?
If the police investigated him several years ago and did not prosecute, then maybe it was through a lack of evidence.

It's rather awkward to defend yourself when you are dead

Could have been fear? Victims tried to forget about it but find they are haunted by it! Very difficult to go to the police and complain about someone who is supposed to be a pillar of society and in the 70's and 80's the police were very biggotted about these issues like rape and often ridiculed women or people who complained about such issues.

This morning on the Wright Stuff (Channel 5) they are discussing the issue of Jimmy Saville.

Boeing Guy 02-10-2012 08:26

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I don't buy that, Johnathon King, Michael Jackson both were very high profile and yet people found the courage.

As I said, it is easy to knock someone once they are dead.

MargaretR 02-10-2012 08:29

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1020569)
I don't buy that, Johnathon King, Michael Jackson both were very high profile and yet people found the courage.

As I said, it is easy to knock someone once they are dead.

Yes it is easier, and that's why they waited.
My version of 'high profile' differs from yours.

kestrelx 02-10-2012 08:31

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1020569)
I don't buy that, Johnathon King, Michael Jackson both were very high profile and yet people found the courage.

As I said, it is easy to knock someone once they are dead.

Just watching this program the Wright Stuff on it, apparently people like fellow DJ Paul Gambaccini and Esther Rantzen say there were always rumours but people didn't want to believe it? That is what they are saying - why say it now?

jaysay 02-10-2012 08:32

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1020569)
I don't buy that, Johnathon King, Michael Jackson both were very high profile and yet people found the courage.

As I said, it is easy to knock someone once they are dead.

I'm with you here BG, marvelous that these so called "victims" now have the strength to come forward just a year after his death but kept stum for 30 years

Boeing Guy 02-10-2012 08:38

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Interesting point on the Wright Stuff, regarding the allegations made against John Leslie. Very similar.

kestrelx 02-10-2012 08:43

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How come all the papers are reporting that during an interview in 2009 that Jimmy Savile - seemed to support Gary Glitter...

Jimmy Savile was interviewed by detectives under caution in 2007 over claim of abuse at children's home in 1970s | Mail Online

Quote:

Glitter was sentenced to four months' imprisonment after being convicted of downloading over 4,000 pornographic images of children, some as young as two and three, in 1999.

In March 2006 Glitter was jailed for three years for molesting two girls, aged 11 and 12, in the Vietnamese resort town of Vung Tau and made to sign the sex offenders' register.

Savile allegedly says in a recorded interview that Glitter - whose real name is Paul Gadd - had only used the films for his own 'gratification' and had not tried to profit from them by selling them.

The Jim'll Fix It presenter is shown in an interview with a journalist in 2009, suggesting that Gadd was more victim than predator.



He says: 'Now Gary, all he did was to take his computer into PC World to get it repaired.


'They went into the hard drive, saw all these dodgy pictures and told the police and the police then, "Oh we've got a famous person...Oh my goodness, yeah we'll have them."

'But Gary has not sold 'em, has not tried to sell 'em, not tried to show them in public or anything like that.

MargaretR 02-10-2012 08:48

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It is alleged that he pimped boys from children's homes for two very high profile politicians - he 'fixed it' for people who daren't let him face prosecution.

jaysay 02-10-2012 09:07

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1020577)
It is alleged that he pimped boys from children's homes for two very high profile politicians - he 'fixed it' for people who daren't let him face prosecution.

Tell yo what this Jimmy Saville was one hell of a guy wielding so much influence, why the hell was he never Prime Minister:eek:

MargaretR 02-10-2012 09:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1020584)
Prime Minister:eek:

Elbow, elbow, nudge, nudge ;):D

kestrelx 02-10-2012 09:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1020584)
Tell yo what this Jimmy Saville was one hell of a guy wielding so much influence, why the hell was he never Prime Minister:eek:

To find yourself in that wonderland position recieving some much adulation being on TV all the time, around all these young people - does funny things to people...especially back in the 60's and 70's! :)

jaysay 02-10-2012 09:27

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1020589)
Elbow, elbow, nudge, nudge ;):D

Might have missed it but can't remember him ever having political leanings one way or the other:rolleyes:

MargaretR 02-10-2012 09:40

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The TV documentary seems to be concentrating on his alleged abuse of under age girls.

I do not expect it will even mention Haut de la Garenne and boys.

kestrelx 02-10-2012 12:29

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1020595)
The TV documentary seems to be concentrating on his alleged abuse of under age girls.

I do not expect it will even mention Haut de la Garenne and boys.

Esther Rantzen 'Rumors' Followed Jimmy Savile - YouTube

He was too powerful!:confused::cool:

jaysay 02-10-2012 17:15

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020591)
To find yourself in that wonderland position recieving some much adulation being on TV all the time, around all these young people - does funny things to people...especially back in the 60's and 70's! :)

Ya especially if you were of your Skull at the time:rolleyes:

Less 02-10-2012 17:30

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Well I'll be disappointed if such turns out to be true, for once I'd love the authorities to find that someone accused in this way, actually was the way he always seemed to be, strange but generous.

jaysay 02-10-2012 17:33

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1020672)
Well I'll be disappointed if such turns out to be true, for once I'd love the authorities to find that someone accused in this way, actually was the way he always seemed to be, strange but generous.

I actually think there's somebody who has seen an opportunity to make a quick buck myself

Sunflower49 02-10-2012 18:07

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I don't think It's true, agree with JaySay.

Unrelated, but I was lucky enough to meet Jimmy a couple of times. He was at my Grandfather's funeral. Found him lovely to be around.

cashman 02-10-2012 22:10

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I do not know if its true or not, would hope it aint. What i can't quite grasp is in the last 20 yrs or so we have become a Lets make a claim society, Yet they aint coming outa the woodwork until now?? very odd to me.:confused:

kestrelx 02-10-2012 22:20

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But if that was true, why wait till he's dead? Surely they had more chance of getting something if he was still alive because they could get him to court. Can they bring a case against someone who is dead?

cashman 02-10-2012 22:32

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020746)
But if that was true, why wait till he's dead? Surely they had more chance of getting something if he was still alive because they could get him to court. Can they bring a case against someone who is dead?

Thats what i don't get?:confused: Why wait until he aint around? Theres quite a few possibilities fer that un.

jaysay 03-10-2012 08:30

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020746)
But if that was true, why wait till he's dead? Surely they had more chance of getting something if he was still alive because they could get him to court. Can they bring a case against someone who is dead?

Believe me they will be getting plenty of financial rewords, tabloid newspapers and even ITV are not backward at coming forward when it comes to paying for these stories, so where money is concerned why let the truth get in the way of a good paper selling or viewer rating story:rolleyes:

Balbus 03-10-2012 09:28

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I knew of similar allegations 40 years ago. A friend of mine (Barrister and later Crown Court Recorder) lived in the same block of flats in Manchester as Jimmy Savile, and commented on the number of very young girls who visited Savile's flat. There is a similar allegation in a letter in today's Mail by someone who had seen Savile fondling young girls in a cafe in Manchester. He remarked on it to a waiter who said "Oh, is he at it again?".

jaysay 03-10-2012 09:32

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Originally Posted by Balbus (Post 1020798)
I knew of similar allegations 40 years ago. A friend of mine (Barrister and later Crown Court Recorder) lived in the same block of flats in Manchester as Jimmy Savile, and commented on the number of very young girls who visited Savile's flat. There is a similar allegation in a letter in today's Mail by someone who had seen Savile fondling young girls in a cafe in Manchester. He remarked on it to a waiter who said "Oh, is he at it again?".

He says She says, why didn't these people come forward at the time especially a Barrister, now that is criminal if he saw this and did nothing about it

MargaretR 03-10-2012 09:38

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Prosecuting the dead has been practiced in the past, but now only happens in Russia
JURIST - Forum:Prosecuting the Dead

So, despite some previously abandoned police investigations being reopened, it is not possible for the courts to 'pass judgement'.

For some people - no conviction equals no guilt.
For others - the volume of testimony will be enough to form an opinion,
and some who don't give a damn either way.

Whichever category you consider yourself to be in, do not abuse the persons who have decided differently from you.

kestrelx 03-10-2012 09:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1020802)
He says She says, why didn't these people come forward at the time especially a Barrister, now that is criminal if he saw this and did nothing about it

That's a good point - there are so many talking loud now, well why didn't they do something back then? :confused: Especially a Barrister who's career could not be damaged by Savile in the same way someone in Radio or TV could as Savile was a big shot in the media.

Less 03-10-2012 09:45

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1020806)

For some people - no conviction equals no guilt.
For others - the volume of testimony will be enough to form an opinion,
and some who don't give a damn either way.


You missed out the people of the
No smoke without fire who needs firm evidence, I like a good rumour, he/she must be guilty persuasion.

jaysay 03-10-2012 09:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1020806)
Prosecuting the dead has been practiced in the past, but now only happens in Russia
JURIST - Forum:Prosecuting the Dead

So, despite some previously abandoned police investigations being reopened, it is not possible for the courts to 'pass judgement'.

For some people - no conviction equals no guilt.
For others - the volume of testimony will be enough to form an opinion,
and some who don't give a damn either way.

Whichever category you consider yourself to be in, do not abuse the persons who have decided differently from you.

No Margaret you discuss the issue's talk about them then decide that I was right in the first place, easy really:D

jaysay 03-10-2012 09:53

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020808)
That's a good point - there are so many talking loud now, well why didn't they do something back then? :confused: Especially a Barrister who's career could not be damaged by Savile in the same way someone in Radio or TV could as Savile was a big shot in the media.

Thats why stories of this type just don't sit to well with me and never will, in a court of law you have a right of reply and your guilt has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. In the muck raking press you don't get that chance and they're safe from being sued for libel if your "victim" is dead:(

Balbus 03-10-2012 10:15

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1020808)
That's a good point - there are so many talking loud now, well why didn't they do something back then? :confused: Especially a Barrister who's career could not be damaged by Savile in the same way someone in Radio or TV could as Savile was a big shot in the media.

This was insufficent evidence to found a conviction for anything. There was no complaint by any of the girls, and no other evidence.

kestrelx 03-10-2012 10:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1020813)
Thats why stories of this type just don't sit to well with me and never will, in a court of law you have a right of reply and your guilt has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. In the muck raking press you don't get that chance and they're safe from being sued for libel if your "victim" is dead:(

But if the figure of women keeps going up then I would think that would tip the scales because if it does keep going up then they are not all going to get big pay days off it and the more that come forward the less they are going to get paid.

There have been 2 incidents so far when Savile was alive in which he was questioned under caution by the Police about a complaint from a woman and also the Haut de la Garenne situaition. He first claimed he never been there but latter admitted that he had. He also took legal action against the Sun for printing something he didn't like.

Less 03-10-2012 10:26

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1020809)
You missed out the people of the
No smoke without fire who needs firm evidence, I like a good rumour, he/she must be guilty persuasion.

Of course there are also the he/she must be guilty by association brigade to be considered, they won't just think he is guilty, but anyone that was friends or a fan, 'must have known and are just as bad'.

Before Garry Glitter was exposed for what he was, a very good female friend of mine used to dress up as him and do charity gigs singing do you want to be in my gang.
Of course after he was exposed she stopped doing it.
She had been a fan but was no longer. She worked at a place employing mainly women, for sometime afterwards she would get nasty anonymous letters left at her work station and sent to her home. Making rather nasty suggestions that she must have known what he was like and did she send him pictures of her children?
Some really sick people out there.
:(

cashman 03-10-2012 10:46

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Originally Posted by Balbus (Post 1020817)
This was insufficent evidence to found a conviction for anything. There was no complaint by any of the girls, and no other evidence.

So best to say nowt? That don't sit well wi me for a barrister, They don't say nowt in a court of law.

MargaretR 04-10-2012 14:58

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So now it has been screened and those of you who have concerns will have watched.

I said in an earlier post that I expected that only the tip of the iceburg would be seen - and it was so.

The allegations of necrophilia at Leeds hospital morgue, and the procuring/pimping of boys in Jersey and Surrey are seemingly ignored.

As such this 'revelation' appears to be a damage limitation excercise - to supply the public with enough to digest in order to sicken them, whilst more atrocious stuff will never see the light of day.

It will soon be yesterday's chip wrappers and the still living guilty will breathe a sigh of relief.

cashman 04-10-2012 15:24

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Whilst it may or may not be correct, Might have known yeh would know more Margaret.:D

jaysay 04-10-2012 17:17

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1020995)
Whilst it may or may not be correct, Might have known yeh would know more Margaret.:D

Well she obviously knows more than me too cashy, I'd never any intention of watching a one side program anyway

Boeing Guy 04-10-2012 17:38

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Lets not forget Jay, that Margaret has sources of information that are better than ITV, after all she keeps telling us the Mainstream TV companies are lying...
She seems to want it both ways, obviously they aren't lying about Sir Jim.
#still it sells papers and makes for gossip. Shame he cannot defend himself from the grave

jaysay 04-10-2012 17:43

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1021028)
Lets not forget Jay, that Margaret has sources of information that are better than ITV, after all she keeps telling us the Mainstream TV companies are lying...
She seems to want it both ways, obviously they aren't lying about Sir Jim.
#still it sells papers and makes for gossip. Shame he cannot defend himself from the grave

Ya the clock has two faces BG:rolleyes:

Restless 04-10-2012 18:24

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1021028)
r all she keeps telling us the Mainstream TV companies are lying...

Mainstream Media/News on a whole is more like it.

If I am not mistaken. The people Margaret may be referring to(the secret rulers of the world) sacrifice children to a giant owl.... :o

:eek:

MargaretR 04-10-2012 18:37

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Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1021041)
Mainstream Media/News on a whole is more like it.

If I am not mistaken. The people Margaret may be referring to(the secret rulers of the world) sacrifice children to a giant owl.... :o

:eek:

It sounds like you watch too much of Alex Jones:D

I have found a report of him being thrown off a cruise ship because of unwanted pestering of a young girl
The disgusted captain who threw Jimmy Savile off a cruise ship | Express Yourself | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express

..and some extracts from his autobiography which should have provided warning signals.
Jimmy savile News, Video and Gossip - Jezebel

Restless 04-10-2012 19:31

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1021046)
It sounds like you watch too much of Alex Jones:D

I have a friend that watches all that stuff. :D though hes not as bad as that user "life" that we had here a while ago :)

kestrelx 04-10-2012 21:13

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When I woke up this morning, I felt mildly sick after that program.

Fact is Mr Savile is clearly heard supporting Gary Glitter, now that is dodgy for a start, he's basically saying that Glitter didn't do anything wrong other than get caught.

Statements or stories have been told to Newsnight while Mr Savile was still alive and they chose to ignore these claims.

Also there are more women coming forward since that program was shown.

Fact is he was in the TV, Radio business he was exposed to the celebrity of it all, main guy on Top of the Pops! Yet if you believe the official story he never got married or involved with woman in a formal way. i.e. got married or had long term relationships with girls or women so that makes one wonder...

cashman 04-10-2012 21:50

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1021067)
When I woke up this morning, I felt mildly sick after that program.

Fact is Mr Savile is clearly heard supporting Gary Glitter, now that is dodgy for a start, he's basically saying that Glitter didn't do anything wrong other than get caught.

Statements or stories have been told to Newsnight while Mr Savile was still alive and they chose to ignore these claims.

I agree about the Glitter thing no question, The fact though they have ignored whilst still alive, I find harder, it says more like they hadn't enough evidence.

Guinness 04-10-2012 22:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1021067)
When I woke up this morning, I felt mildly sick after that program.

Fact is Mr Savile is clearly heard supporting Gary Glitter, now that is dodgy for a start, he's basically saying that Glitter didn't do anything wrong other than get caught.

Statements or stories have been told to Newsnight while Mr Savile was still alive and they chose to ignore these claims.

Also there are more women coming forward since that program was shown.

Fact is he was in the TV, Radio business he was exposed to the celebrity of it all, main guy on Top of the Pops! Yet if you believe the official story he never got married or involved with woman in a formal way. i.e. got married or had long term relationships with girls or women so that makes one wonder...

Tell you what I noticed from the off that all references to him were as 'Savile'....if this had been a positive program it would have been 'Jim' or 'Sir Jim'...score one for the marketing psychologists of ITV.

There are claims made by chancers/ people with mental issues on a daily basis against 'the famous'.

You can take any soundbite, written comment etc.. out of context and apply it accordingly.

As for more people coming forward...Russell Brand, Jonathon Ross phone call to Andrew Sachs...on the night 5 complaints....reported the next day in the press...500 complaints...one week later 5000 complaints...go figure

Lets take this further...his peers must have known....so guilty by collusion..Noel Edmonds, DLT, Ed Stewart, Tony Blackburn and one of his critics Paul Gambcini etc..etc..etc..

And if we are talking about great British eccentrics who hide behind celebrity..Cliff Richard.. apart from a couple of short term flings with Una Stubbs, Sue Barker and Olivia Newton John, never married, low profile (except at xmas), he's a god botherer, almost everyone dislikes him/takes the pee out of him..but he's revered by the media and pretty much untouchable.

I was particularly sickened by Ester Rantzen doing a Richard Attenborough impression at the end, with her crocodile tears and cliches.

I'm devils advocating here because my head says he did these things, and I'm genuinely sad because although I thought he was a nutjob, I also thought he was a good guy

kestrelx 04-10-2012 22:56

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Now we know why he was always making Tarzan noises!

jaysay 05-10-2012 08:25

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I think the sad thing is people actually watched this crap, I may have watched this program if it had have been made 2 or 3 years ago, I agree with Guinness, the media light the fire and it burns out of control, lets face it even today you start a rumour about a minor incident and by the time it gets to the other end of town its a murder, people always add their two penneth

kestrelx 05-10-2012 09:12

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When I saw that program I had mixed feelings. At first I thought it was a bit of a witch-hunt and the claims made was all hearsay by a bunch of dodgy characters. Also the sense that here was a 70's icon that we all had a image of him being this kind eccentric DJ doing good works for charity and that was being decimated.

Again the question is why didn't anyone do something about it? If they all knew.

Janet Street Porter was on Question Time last night and she said she'd heard rumours in the 80's and so on. Fact is well never know 100% and it will always be a case of making your own mind up - however as I write this on the Wright Stuff it's just been mentioned there are now 40 women who have come forward!

In line with this there was a prog about Coronation Street, telling the story of when a story featured Bet Lynch getting stranded in Spain - 1,000's of people sent money in to Granada TV for her to pay for a return ticket back!

Which indicates that TV has a strange effect on people for them to send money in for fantasy character. In context of this - again it could be the effect of television?

jaysay 05-10-2012 09:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1021115)
When I saw that program I had mixed feelings. At first I thought it was a bit of a witch-hunt and the claims made was all hearsay by a bunch of dodgy characters. Also the sense that here was a 70's icon that we all had a image of him being this kind eccentric DJ doing good works for charity and that was being decimated.

Again the question is why didn't anyone do something about it? If they all knew.

Janet Street Porter was on Question Time last night and she said she'd heard rumours in the 80's and so on. Fact is well never know 100% and it will always be a case of making your own mind up - however as I write this on the Wright Stuff it's just been mentioned there are now 40 women who have come forward!

In line with this there was a prog about Coronation Street, telling the story of when a story featured Bet Lynch getting stranded in Spain - 1,000's of people sent money in to Granada TV for her to pay for a return ticket back!

Which indicates that TV has a strange effect on people for them to send money in for fantasy character. In context of this - again it could be the effect of television?

Well you certainly got that right about TV, I mean it was even mentioned in Parliament when the Free Deirdre campaign was running on corry and how many times have you heard about actors being attacked in the street, being hit with little old women wielding handbags because of a storyline. As for 40 women coming forward maybe they see it as a chance for their 15 minutes of fame;)

cashman 05-10-2012 09:29

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yeh but a fact of life is after every high publicity murder oer 40 always confess to it, so really tells us nowt.

kestrelx 05-10-2012 09:34

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Mmm well I just came across this article at...

Jimmy Savile's affections laid bare by...Jimmy Savile? | Times Opinion on Tumblr

Quote:

In today’s Times story about the allegations surrounding Jimmy Savile, David Sanderson highlighted some quotes from As It Happens, Savile’s 1974 autobiography, that nobody else seems to have picked up on. It’s strange that they haven’t, because they are startling:
[Savile] writes of an incident at the Mecca Locarno ballroom in Leeds, where he worked as a DJ during the 1950s, when a female police officer came in with a photograph of “an attractive girl who had run away from a remand home”.
Savile writes: “‘Ah,’ says I all serious, ‘if she comes in I’ll bring her back tomorrow but I’ll keep her all night first as my reward’.” He then writes that the girl did go into the club and “agreed that I hand her over if she could stay at the dance, [and] come home with me”. He wrote that he did then hand her over to the “lady of the law…[who] was dissuaded from bringing charges against me by her colleagues, for it was well known that were I to go I would probably take half the station with me”.



This actually comes out of his auto-biography from 1974, so his attitude does seem very strange and to indicate he had dodgy leanings. Sum up the evidence for yourself! :rolleyes:

jaysay 05-10-2012 09:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1021121)
Mmm well I just came across this article at...

Jimmy Savile's affections laid bare by...Jimmy Savile? | Times Opinion on Tumblr



This actually comes out of his auto-biography from 1974, so his attitude does seem very strange and to indicate he had dodgy leanings. Sum up the evidence for yourself! :rolleyes:
[/indent]

:dflam:
I wonder why this has become relevant now and didn't at the time:rolleyes:Quoting passages from anything is always quite difficult and may mean something entirely different

MargaretR 05-10-2012 10:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1021121)
Mmm well I just came across this article at...

Jimmy Savile's affections laid bare by...Jimmy Savile? | Times Opinion on Tumblr



This actually comes out of his auto-biography from 1974, so his attitude does seem very strange and to indicate he had dodgy leanings. Sum up the evidence for yourself! :rolleyes:
[/indent]

The link I provided in post #167 provided that autobiography quote, and another -
"Let me tell you about the fun part of the charity deal. I got a call one day from the chairman of a local council. He'd got a new idea for the annual mayoral ball and wanted to turn it into a big youth dance. and would I come? For years the affair had been just a bit stuffy and only attracted a couple of hundred locals. He wanted 2,000 and did I have any ideas? Sure I had. Good ideas are my strong point. I will come, to Orley in Yorkshire it was, if you will arrange for me to sleep in a tent up the local hillside with another tent alongside with six girls to sleep there as my bodyguards!
My demands really put the dance on the map and 2,000 tickets went like hot cakes. My ultimatum of "no tents, no girls, no me" meant the council had to go through with it."

jaysay 05-10-2012 10:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1021125)
The link I provided in post #167 provided that autobiography quote, and another -
"Let me tell you about the fun part of the charity deal. I got a call one day from the chairman of a local council. He'd got a new idea for the annual mayoral ball and wanted to turn it into a big youth dance. and would I come? For years the affair had been just a bit stuffy and only attracted a couple of hundred locals. He wanted 2,000 and did I have any ideas? Sure I had. Good ideas are my strong point. I will come, to Orley in Yorkshire it was, if you will arrange for me to sleep in a tent up the local hillside with another tent alongside with six girls to sleep there as my bodyguards!
My demands really put the dance on the map and 2,000 tickets went like hot cakes. My ultimatum of "no tents, no girls, no me" meant the council had to go through with it."


If we were seeing Quots from Jim Bowens life story people would me rolling about laughing:rolleyes:

kestrelx 05-10-2012 10:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1021125)
The link I provided in post #167 provided that autobiography quote, and another -
"Let me tell you about the fun part of the charity deal. I got a call one day from the chairman of a local council. He'd got a new idea for the annual mayoral ball and wanted to turn it into a big youth dance. and would I come? For years the affair had been just a bit stuffy and only attracted a couple of hundred locals. He wanted 2,000 and did I have any ideas? Sure I had. Good ideas are my strong point. I will come, to Orley in Yorkshire it was, if you will arrange for me to sleep in a tent up the local hillside with another tent alongside with six girls to sleep there as my bodyguards!
My demands really put the dance on the map and 2,000 tickets went like hot cakes. My ultimatum of "no tents, no girls, no me" meant the council had to go through with it."


That is shocking that he actually said that in his auto-biography and no body asked questions back then - very odd? :confused::eek:

Boeing Guy 05-10-2012 11:31

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Judging by the media and some of the posts on here, maybe we should do away with Due Process and go straight to sentancing, anybody got some rope to string him up

Margaret Pilkington 05-10-2012 12:09

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On question time last night Janet Street Porter said she knew about the rumours but said nothing...when asked why, she said she would not have been believed...my response to that is that she must bear some of the responsibility if this man did molest young girls.
Janet Street Porter has , in the past, been outspoken, but on this occasion she chose to stay silent.

The man is dead. There is nothing that anyone can do to change what happened in the past......personally I am more interested in the fact that the BBC defrauded governments out of taxes, which should have been paid into the communal pot by TV stars(refusing to employ them unless they took out tax avoidance contracts)..........is there no legal means to sue the BBC for the money?
Their actions were, if not exactly criminal, highly dubious.

kestrelx 05-10-2012 12:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 1021135)
Judging by the media and some of the posts on here, maybe we should do away with Due Process and go straight to sentancing, anybody got some rope to string him up

What about all the things he has said? The 2 quotes that suggest he had runaway girl in his flat over night and knew he'd get away with it. The one about having 6 girls in a tent. And the taped conversation of him backing Gary Glitter, insinuating that Glitter had only had a "few films for his own use!" All suggest he had unsavoury tastes but was clever enough to cover his tracks.

Less 05-10-2012 12:52

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1021142)
What about all the things he has said? The 2 quotes that suggest he had runaway girl in his flat over night and knew he'd get away with it. The one about having 6 girls in a tent. And the taped conversation of him backing Gary Glitter, insinuating that Glitter had only had a "few films for his own use!" All suggest he had unsavoury tastes but was clever enough to cover his tracks.

What age were these girls? Did it happen? What proof do any of you have? Perhaps like the rest of us that liked GG, he was shocked to find that the guy was like that? I don't know you don't know, let's just throw another witch on the fire whilst we discuss this as sensible persecutors.

MargaretR 05-10-2012 12:56

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For those of you who say that women are speaking out for financial gain - here is credible witness (not victim)
Ex-York nurse saw Jimmy Savile ?molest? patient (From York Press)

cashman 05-10-2012 13:49

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What makes her credible? do yeh know the woman?:confused:

Margaret Pilkington 05-10-2012 13:49

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If that had been me...and a nurse took no notice, I would have asked for the payphone to be brought to my bed and I would have telephoned the police myself.

It is no damn good bringing it up now the man is dead...it helps no-one, not the (alleged) victims or anyone else. It is just being turned into a media circus.

MargaretR 05-10-2012 13:57

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This media circus is a 'limited hangout'
Limited hangout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the general public do not 'let the matter rest' there is a possibility that previous cover ups concerning child abuse will be re-examined.

cashman 05-10-2012 14:10

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I can recall a certain doctor oer Hyde way, who many thought was credible, yeh aint said why yeh say this retired nurse is?

MargaretR 05-10-2012 14:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1021171)
I can recall a certain doctor oer Hyde way, who many thought was credible, yeh aint said why yeh say this retired nurse is?

She is an elderly retired professional who has nothing to gain by speaking out, and maybe will receive verbal abuse from persons who still regard themselves as his fans.

This is stating the obvious - but you did ask

cashman 05-10-2012 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1021173)
She is an elderly retired professional who has nothing to gain by speaking out, and maybe will receive verbal abuse from persons who still regard themselves as his fans.

This is stating the obvious - but you did ask

That does not make her credible.

MargaretR 05-10-2012 14:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1021176)
That does not make her credible.

Have you ever been on jury duty?:D

Chris SUI JURIS 05-10-2012 15:40

Sir Jimmy Saville
 
I assume that liz who Acts as the Queen knighted him? I wonder how many other of the queen's knights are pedophiles,rapist etc? :eek:

Eric 05-10-2012 15:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1021188)
I assume that liz who Acts as the Queen knighted him? I wonder how many other of the queen's knights are pedophiles,rapist etc? :eek:

If this is some sort of attempt to smear the Queen, who is popular with many in your country and in mine, it is pretty lame. As far as I am aware, it is the U.K. government who puts forward the names of those who are to be honored. If I'm wrong about this, feel free etc. It's not like there's a Round Table any more.:rolleyes: And from what I read ... and my comprehension level is, at least, average ... there are numerous allegations agaist the puissant knight, but nothing which can be called "proof". Not to mention that he just might not show up in court to defend himself. If he does, then that will be newsworthy.

MargaretR 05-10-2012 16:15

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Unfortunately Operation Ore was discredited by a spanner thrown in the works due to police incompetence - some innocent men were charged on the basis that their credit card numbers were held by a dodgy porn website.

Some of those card numbers were obtained by fraud. The police barged in with both feet, not discriminating beforehand which were real voyeurs and which were setup red herrings.

The Operation Ore was abandoned by a D notice issued by Blair
'Blair covering up paedophile scandal?' | www.tpuc.org

Eric 05-10-2012 16:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1021188)
I assume that liz who Acts as the Queen knighted him? I wonder how many other of the queen's knights are pedophiles,rapist etc? :eek:

Oh, by the way, welcome to the Funny Farm:D You can have fun on here ... and get serious if you wish;) Bienvenue.

Boeing Guy 05-10-2012 16:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1021188)
I assume that liz who Acts as the Queen knighted him? I wonder how many other of the queen's knights are pedophiles,rapist etc? :eek:


Any proof?
Already done to death on another thread

Chris SUI JURIS 05-10-2012 16:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 1021197)
If this is some sort of attempt to smear the Queen, who is popular with many in your country and in mine, it is pretty lame. As far as I am aware, it is the U.K. government who puts forward the names of those who are to be honored. If I'm wrong about this, feel free etc. It's not like there's a Round Table any more.:rolleyes: And from what I read ... and my comprehension level is, at least, average ... there are numerous allegations agaist the puissant knight, but nothing which can be called "proof". Not to mention that he just might not show up in court to defend himself. If he does, then that will be newsworthy.

No its not a attempt to smear your Queen Eric :rolleyes:

don't get me started on the UK government :D you may be right (sounds plausible) it was just a open question.

As for "proof" the allegations would suggest he spent his life building up a front (chairty work etc) to abuse young girls...my comprehension level is also at least average and the allegations would suggest Jimbo was down with da kids but not in a good way ;)

Restless 05-10-2012 16:37

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There is already subject about this crap. Post it there.

Oh just out of curiosity. Are you the same Chris that was banned??


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