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Coleen Nolan said that Saville was very hands on and she didn't like it back when the Nolans were on Top of the Pops! That is one person who felt uncomfortable with Saville - perhaps others of less fame were intimidated to keep their gobs shut! |
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In this video at 3.30 - listen to what Coleen Nolan says! IN her own words, "I was 14 and he was all over me!" Very professional. If you feel so upset by this then I wonder why? Listen to what Coleen Nolan said about Mr Saville! |
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I know you have feelings, otherwise you wouldn't spit your dummy out so easily when people offer genuine criticism for the toxic rubbish you pollute the site with. |
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You are messing with smoke and mirrors as it is or is it just that you are playing devil's advocate? |
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...or what does this book about 'criminal profiling' have to say about blackmailers? Sounds a fascinating read. I might see if I can slip one in my shopping trolley, the next time I see one. |
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I've just seen Louis Theroux on the one show talking about Jimmy Saville - apparently he kept in touch and met up with him regularly after the documentary, and spoke quite fondly of him, describing him as one of our great eccentrics. Perhaps eccentricity is being mistaken on this thread for something more sinister?
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" King classes veteran TV presenter Jimmy Savile as one of his closest friends - they have known each other for 25 years. Savile once said of him: "He's a sabra. A sabra is an Israeli fruit that's prickly on the outside and all soft and lovely inside. That's Jonathan King." " Quote by Jimmy Savile from - Who is Jonathan King? | UK news | guardian.co.uk |
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Nothing to do with me Pal! And I will report this posting as off topic and trolling! |
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I was merely adding my thoughts, to earlier posts made in this thread. Your thread relates to the alleged crimes, a few claim, were carried out by a now deceased popular entertainer. It was you, yourself, who first brought up the subject of criminal offender profiling. I know criminality fascinates some, but I don't know an awful lot about it. So the book you mentioned sounds quite interesting. What makes a person become a child abuser, a rapist, a murderer, or a blackmailer, say? It would be interesting to know. As for Jimmy Saville. Since under the British justice system we are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and seeing as the man in question is dead, and can't therefore be posthumously tried for any alleged crimes, perhaps he should be allowed to rest in peace. |
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Jimmy Saville doesn't now have the chance to face his accusers.
Having passed away. What we do know, as fact, is that he raised an awful lot of money for various charities. Which made a real difference, to the lives of a vast number of very sick people. That's something we at least know to be true. Unlike these scurrilous rumours. I guess there's something in that old saying, about not speaking ill of the dead. As someone might just do it to those who did. When they're trying to rest in their grave. |
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Only Fools and Horses - Jimmy Saville - YouTube |
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RIP Sir Jimmy Savile - Watch Him Dance Like You've Never Seen Anyone Dance Before (1926-2011) - YouTube:D Didn't a lot of people have dogdy haircuts in the 70's! |
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Whatever the truth may be, Jimmy Savile's friends aren't coming across as a particularly trustworthy or likeable bunch. It's like being defended by Steptoe senior.
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I expect that the documentary due to be aired on Wednesday will be the tip of the iceberg type of revelation.
I don't think that the many other rumours and allegations will ever be investigated because too many 'high profile' people would be implicated. |
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I expect better from you Margaret, ITV is point scoring here.
Since when have you taken mainstream TV or even the Press seriously, you are always telling us to look at obscure websites that 'tell the truth ' Back on topic, regardless of what he did or did not do, why does the detail come out now? If the police investigated him several years ago and did not prosecute, then maybe it was through a lack of evidence. It's rather awkward to defend yourself when you are dead |
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This morning on the Wright Stuff (Channel 5) they are discussing the issue of Jimmy Saville. |
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I don't buy that, Johnathon King, Michael Jackson both were very high profile and yet people found the courage.
As I said, it is easy to knock someone once they are dead. |
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My version of 'high profile' differs from yours. |
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Interesting point on the Wright Stuff, regarding the allegations made against John Leslie. Very similar.
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How come all the papers are reporting that during an interview in 2009 that Jimmy Savile - seemed to support Gary Glitter...
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It is alleged that he pimped boys from children's homes for two very high profile politicians - he 'fixed it' for people who daren't let him face prosecution.
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The TV documentary seems to be concentrating on his alleged abuse of under age girls.
I do not expect it will even mention Haut de la Garenne and boys. |
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He was too powerful!:confused::cool: |
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Well I'll be disappointed if such turns out to be true, for once I'd love the authorities to find that someone accused in this way, actually was the way he always seemed to be, strange but generous.
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I don't think It's true, agree with JaySay.
Unrelated, but I was lucky enough to meet Jimmy a couple of times. He was at my Grandfather's funeral. Found him lovely to be around. |
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I do not know if its true or not, would hope it aint. What i can't quite grasp is in the last 20 yrs or so we have become a Lets make a claim society, Yet they aint coming outa the woodwork until now?? very odd to me.:confused:
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But if that was true, why wait till he's dead? Surely they had more chance of getting something if he was still alive because they could get him to court. Can they bring a case against someone who is dead?
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I knew of similar allegations 40 years ago. A friend of mine (Barrister and later Crown Court Recorder) lived in the same block of flats in Manchester as Jimmy Savile, and commented on the number of very young girls who visited Savile's flat. There is a similar allegation in a letter in today's Mail by someone who had seen Savile fondling young girls in a cafe in Manchester. He remarked on it to a waiter who said "Oh, is he at it again?".
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Prosecuting the dead has been practiced in the past, but now only happens in Russia
JURIST - Forum:Prosecuting the Dead So, despite some previously abandoned police investigations being reopened, it is not possible for the courts to 'pass judgement'. For some people - no conviction equals no guilt. For others - the volume of testimony will be enough to form an opinion, and some who don't give a damn either way. Whichever category you consider yourself to be in, do not abuse the persons who have decided differently from you. |
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No smoke without fire who needs firm evidence, I like a good rumour, he/she must be guilty persuasion. |
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There have been 2 incidents so far when Savile was alive in which he was questioned under caution by the Police about a complaint from a woman and also the Haut de la Garenne situaition. He first claimed he never been there but latter admitted that he had. He also took legal action against the Sun for printing something he didn't like. |
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Before Garry Glitter was exposed for what he was, a very good female friend of mine used to dress up as him and do charity gigs singing do you want to be in my gang. Of course after he was exposed she stopped doing it. She had been a fan but was no longer. She worked at a place employing mainly women, for sometime afterwards she would get nasty anonymous letters left at her work station and sent to her home. Making rather nasty suggestions that she must have known what he was like and did she send him pictures of her children? Some really sick people out there. :( |
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So now it has been screened and those of you who have concerns will have watched.
I said in an earlier post that I expected that only the tip of the iceburg would be seen - and it was so. The allegations of necrophilia at Leeds hospital morgue, and the procuring/pimping of boys in Jersey and Surrey are seemingly ignored. As such this 'revelation' appears to be a damage limitation excercise - to supply the public with enough to digest in order to sicken them, whilst more atrocious stuff will never see the light of day. It will soon be yesterday's chip wrappers and the still living guilty will breathe a sigh of relief. |
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Whilst it may or may not be correct, Might have known yeh would know more Margaret.:D
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Lets not forget Jay, that Margaret has sources of information that are better than ITV, after all she keeps telling us the Mainstream TV companies are lying...
She seems to want it both ways, obviously they aren't lying about Sir Jim. #still it sells papers and makes for gossip. Shame he cannot defend himself from the grave |
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If I am not mistaken. The people Margaret may be referring to(the secret rulers of the world) sacrifice children to a giant owl.... :o :eek: |
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I have found a report of him being thrown off a cruise ship because of unwanted pestering of a young girl The disgusted captain who threw Jimmy Savile off a cruise ship | Express Yourself | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express ..and some extracts from his autobiography which should have provided warning signals. Jimmy savile News, Video and Gossip - Jezebel |
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When I woke up this morning, I felt mildly sick after that program.
Fact is Mr Savile is clearly heard supporting Gary Glitter, now that is dodgy for a start, he's basically saying that Glitter didn't do anything wrong other than get caught. Statements or stories have been told to Newsnight while Mr Savile was still alive and they chose to ignore these claims. Also there are more women coming forward since that program was shown. Fact is he was in the TV, Radio business he was exposed to the celebrity of it all, main guy on Top of the Pops! Yet if you believe the official story he never got married or involved with woman in a formal way. i.e. got married or had long term relationships with girls or women so that makes one wonder... |
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There are claims made by chancers/ people with mental issues on a daily basis against 'the famous'. You can take any soundbite, written comment etc.. out of context and apply it accordingly. As for more people coming forward...Russell Brand, Jonathon Ross phone call to Andrew Sachs...on the night 5 complaints....reported the next day in the press...500 complaints...one week later 5000 complaints...go figure Lets take this further...his peers must have known....so guilty by collusion..Noel Edmonds, DLT, Ed Stewart, Tony Blackburn and one of his critics Paul Gambcini etc..etc..etc.. And if we are talking about great British eccentrics who hide behind celebrity..Cliff Richard.. apart from a couple of short term flings with Una Stubbs, Sue Barker and Olivia Newton John, never married, low profile (except at xmas), he's a god botherer, almost everyone dislikes him/takes the pee out of him..but he's revered by the media and pretty much untouchable. I was particularly sickened by Ester Rantzen doing a Richard Attenborough impression at the end, with her crocodile tears and cliches. I'm devils advocating here because my head says he did these things, and I'm genuinely sad because although I thought he was a nutjob, I also thought he was a good guy |
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Now we know why he was always making Tarzan noises!
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I think the sad thing is people actually watched this crap, I may have watched this program if it had have been made 2 or 3 years ago, I agree with Guinness, the media light the fire and it burns out of control, lets face it even today you start a rumour about a minor incident and by the time it gets to the other end of town its a murder, people always add their two penneth
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When I saw that program I had mixed feelings. At first I thought it was a bit of a witch-hunt and the claims made was all hearsay by a bunch of dodgy characters. Also the sense that here was a 70's icon that we all had a image of him being this kind eccentric DJ doing good works for charity and that was being decimated.
Again the question is why didn't anyone do something about it? If they all knew. Janet Street Porter was on Question Time last night and she said she'd heard rumours in the 80's and so on. Fact is well never know 100% and it will always be a case of making your own mind up - however as I write this on the Wright Stuff it's just been mentioned there are now 40 women who have come forward! In line with this there was a prog about Coronation Street, telling the story of when a story featured Bet Lynch getting stranded in Spain - 1,000's of people sent money in to Granada TV for her to pay for a return ticket back! Which indicates that TV has a strange effect on people for them to send money in for fantasy character. In context of this - again it could be the effect of television? |
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yeh but a fact of life is after every high publicity murder oer 40 always confess to it, so really tells us nowt.
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Mmm well I just came across this article at...
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I wonder why this has become relevant now and didn't at the time:rolleyes:Quoting passages from anything is always quite difficult and may mean something entirely different |
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"Let me tell you about the fun part of the charity deal. I got a call one day from the chairman of a local council. He'd got a new idea for the annual mayoral ball and wanted to turn it into a big youth dance. and would I come? For years the affair had been just a bit stuffy and only attracted a couple of hundred locals. He wanted 2,000 and did I have any ideas? Sure I had. Good ideas are my strong point. I will come, to Orley in Yorkshire it was, if you will arrange for me to sleep in a tent up the local hillside with another tent alongside with six girls to sleep there as my bodyguards! My demands really put the dance on the map and 2,000 tickets went like hot cakes. My ultimatum of "no tents, no girls, no me" meant the council had to go through with it." |
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Judging by the media and some of the posts on here, maybe we should do away with Due Process and go straight to sentancing, anybody got some rope to string him up
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On question time last night Janet Street Porter said she knew about the rumours but said nothing...when asked why, she said she would not have been believed...my response to that is that she must bear some of the responsibility if this man did molest young girls.
Janet Street Porter has , in the past, been outspoken, but on this occasion she chose to stay silent. The man is dead. There is nothing that anyone can do to change what happened in the past......personally I am more interested in the fact that the BBC defrauded governments out of taxes, which should have been paid into the communal pot by TV stars(refusing to employ them unless they took out tax avoidance contracts)..........is there no legal means to sue the BBC for the money? Their actions were, if not exactly criminal, highly dubious. |
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For those of you who say that women are speaking out for financial gain - here is credible witness (not victim)
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If that had been me...and a nurse took no notice, I would have asked for the payphone to be brought to my bed and I would have telephoned the police myself.
It is no damn good bringing it up now the man is dead...it helps no-one, not the (alleged) victims or anyone else. It is just being turned into a media circus. |
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This media circus is a 'limited hangout'
Limited hangout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If the general public do not 'let the matter rest' there is a possibility that previous cover ups concerning child abuse will be re-examined. |
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I can recall a certain doctor oer Hyde way, who many thought was credible, yeh aint said why yeh say this retired nurse is?
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Sir Jimmy Saville
I assume that liz who Acts as the Queen knighted him? I wonder how many other of the queen's knights are pedophiles,rapist etc? :eek:
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Unfortunately Operation Ore was discredited by a spanner thrown in the works due to police incompetence - some innocent men were charged on the basis that their credit card numbers were held by a dodgy porn website.
Some of those card numbers were obtained by fraud. The police barged in with both feet, not discriminating beforehand which were real voyeurs and which were setup red herrings. The Operation Ore was abandoned by a D notice issued by Blair 'Blair covering up paedophile scandal?' | www.tpuc.org |
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Any proof? Already done to death on another thread |
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don't get me started on the UK government :D you may be right (sounds plausible) it was just a open question. As for "proof" the allegations would suggest he spent his life building up a front (chairty work etc) to abuse young girls...my comprehension level is also at least average and the allegations would suggest Jimbo was down with da kids but not in a good way ;) |
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There is already subject about this crap. Post it there.
Oh just out of curiosity. Are you the same Chris that was banned?? |
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