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The establishment is going big on its support for Butler-Sloss. I will be very surprised if a replacement is not named soon!

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The problem is that Butler Sloss is part of the establishment and, therefore,, wouldn't be seen as a neutral investigator. Whatever happens, there will be some political has beens that'll be thrown to the dogs to placate the howling masses in the hope of this scandal abating. I bet there are quite a few deviants waiting for the knock on the door at this very moment. Couldn't come soon enough, the system wants purging.

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So Butler-Sloss has "stepped down" & "notified her decision to the Home Office". If I was the sceptical type I might think that she was instructed to do so!!!!

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No doubt in my mind,they will wheel another in wi vested interests, but more likely this un will be much harder to discover,:rolleyes:

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there may be some sacrificail goat put to the slaughter, but in the main I think the establishment is going to close ranks and it will do everything it can to prevent a real inquiry...one that deals with the situation in an effective and transparent way.

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I wouldn't mind betting,that any sacrificial establishment goat, will no longer be in this world, just like the bitch who covered it up.;)

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I didn't say it would be a live goat.....someone who is dead fits the bill nicely.....they cannot defend themselves and won't cost anything to punish......and their reputation will not matter much to the current people in parliament.

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Spot on imho.;)

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Is this where our licence money is going? :(
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Makes me :s_sick: reading how the royals nearest and dearest are wrong un's :(

Prince Philip ex-aide on sex charges | UK news | theguardian.com

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Article that looks at several mysterious deaths that could be linked to a cover up?

The mysterious death of BBC DJ Mike Smith | thecolemanexperience

Including the recent mysterious death of former Radio One DJ MIke Smith and Death of Jill Dando who had been investigating paedophile ring.
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Police have removed a large amount of material from a house belonging to Cliff Richard....

...Fingers crossed it's just child porn and not any new music :eek:

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...he's on the Elm Guest House visitor list (allegedly ;))

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No truck with any of them - if they are guilty.
However, if there is no case to answer can they then sue the accuser for (at least), defamation of character - and name the accuser?

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Ouch! :D

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I almost liked that post...

But then would that be me approving child porn, new Cliff songs, or both?

Nah I won't risk any such rumours.

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A large amount of material? Probably all his unsold records AccyX

Serious note: As ever the raid was leaked to the press, they even had time to charter a helicopter. Still I guess the Mail and it's ilk have made a donation to the Police Widows and Orphans Fund by way of a thank you.
Me a grumpy old cynic....naah :(

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It was only a matter of time........Now then, Now then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmClbAKWtFk

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If the allegations are true it will be difficult to arrest him because he has relinquished UK citizenship and will require extradition.

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PS - The Bahamas has no extradition treaty with UK
Which countries do not have extradition treaties with the United Kingdom

The rule about granting citizenship of the Bahamas seems to have been 'bent' in his case. Normally marriage to a Bahaman citizen was the only way.

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I doubt we'll be seeing Cliff in the UK anytime soon (thankfully!).

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He usually stays in Portugal until the end of his grape harvest at the end of September, then returns to the Bahamas.

What's betting he returns early this year ;)

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I find it hard to believe its only regarding 'one' allegation given the Paedophilic circles he kept and places like EGH that he used to frequent.
Seems quite a few of these wrong un's have been knighted and the royals have surrounded themselves with sex offenders :eek: :(
How many more will it take to get caught before its plain to see that the connection between the royals and pedophilia is no accident?

It does seem that there are some folk in a very high places looking after these beasts......anyway I'll be quite (we know what happened to Jill dando). :eek:

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We've heard the, "I'm innocent" from most who have later gone on to be found guilty and like the others Cliff seems to have a band of supporters behind him.
(If he is a wrong un) I assume there will be more victims coming forward in the near future (just like the others).
I can't help feeling robbed as most of these beasts were a part of my childhood :eek:

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I'm really not sure what you mean by that but I am a little concerned:eek:

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Seems strange to me why it has taken most of these accusers so many years before complaining. Ok some are genuine but I cannot help feeling some have jumoed on the band wagon thinking they can make some money either out of compensation or from the media for the story.

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I bet a few were part of your childhood too Neil :D

I've said it before and I'll say it again R, 'celebrities' can be seen as soft targets and no doubt there will be some who jump on the compensation wagon.
It's not that strange when you look at the amount of accusers that where ignored or covered up by the police etc back in the day.its only recently they've been taken seriously and why so many have come out years after :(

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Cliff is reportedly 'outraged' that he only heard about the police search of his flat after the press got to know. No doubt he'll be hot-footing it back to the UK to tidy up & make sure nothing is missing?

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I know someone who told his parents that he was being abused by an 'uncle'.....they did not believe this child.
This was many years ago(1950's). It was only after this 'uncles' death that it came out he had been molesting young children...both boys and girls.
This man has been adversely affected for all of his life because his parents could not believe that a family friend could do this to their son.

People do not always allege that these acts took place purely so that they can gain financially...but to achieve closure....this is important for their mental well being.

I do not know whether Cliff Richard did these things that he is being accused of, but I would hesitate to suggest that the person who has made the allegations is doing it for financial gain.
Once an allegation is made, then it has to be investigated....and while it is hard to substantiate what went on in the 1980's(any forensic evidence is long gone) if there is evidence that this popular singer has been doing things that show him in a different light, then he must face justice.

Many influential people(both past and present) appear to think that the law is there to protect them and hide their transgressions, rather than to bring them to justice.
Or is it only me who thinks this way?

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I know of a similar scenario where not only did the parents of the child being abused not believe her but her parents told her not to mention it (to anyone) again because it would bring shame to the family.
She was abused by her grandfather and a co defendant.
This also left her with social issues and half a lifetime of feeling like she was in some way to blame for what happened.
(Luckly) The co defendant was killed in a motorbike accident and it all came out due to him abusing another member of said family. She told her story eventually but the grandfather walked free due to being too ill for prison (absolute joke IMO).:mad:

I can only hope she found some sort of closure speaking about what happened and through one of the 'beasts' dying.

As for cliff, hmmmm :(

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You are right about children thinking that in some way they are to blame for what happened......and if they do mention what happened and are not believed, then they 'compartmentalise' the abuse. This is a coping mechanism. Then years later the reaction to the abuse arises.....but who is going to believe them after so many years have elapsed??

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There you go again with the LW's M :D, Personally, I like to think no one could/would make up a story about being abused (but I live in the real world).
I read on average victims of abuse only tend to gain the confidence to share their experience 20yrs after the abuse stops :eek:

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I agree D,a police investigation into allegations against anybody should be conducted in a professional manner and tipping off the media when no charges have been brought is not very professional.
What exactly made this raid worthy of tipping off the press anyway compared with say the raids on the properties of the Labour and Conservatives Lords which occurred earlier this year?
Why was this allegation deemed worthy of such a raid compared with the even more numerous allegations made against certain politicians which have sparked little or no police action? Hmmm
The concept of equality under the law seems to have been eroded nowadays :(
I hear more victims/accusers have now come forward....
...I wonder what cliff will have to say now :(

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Was it just the Mail carrying this story?
No.....all the populist papers had this story on their front pages.
Would you prefer that this had been 'hidden'?
Isn't the hiding of hideous offences against children what got us here in the first place.
In the social media there has (allegedly)been speculation about this for quite some time.

I would ask you...if your son or daughter had been molested by someone(anyone.....not just someone in the public gaze) wouldn't you be wanting them to be brought book??
You do not need to answer that last question because I can guess at your answer.

The other thing is, when a child/adolescent has been abused there are usually others out there who have also had the attention of these perverts......they feel very alone and isolated.....they feel that they must be the only person alive to have gone through this horrible event. Hearing the news that there are more like you gives you the courage to stand up and say 'he did this to me too'.
It isn't a case of jumping on the bandwagon...for notoriety or cash.....the experience was humiliating and having to stand up and tell someone about it is to relive the humiliation and disgust of yourself all over again.....and then to have people say that you are doing it for money. That must be really distressing.

The Police, the judiciary, the people who govern this country have all been shown to have feet of clay...to have behaved badly. The media are not without their flaws either.

To fetter the news media is to give these people(who all need to realise they are scrutinised) a free reign to do as they please.
Is that what you want?

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Those who are in power seek to stay in power. They feel they are above us, and they want us to believe what they tell us. They want to tell us what they deign to be good for us.
They would hide their unsavoury predilections for small children.
Who will stand against them and protect the children.....even when they are no longer children?

And to Jason....sorry if there are too many long words.
I have a very battered and dogeared dictionary....I am trying to extend your education here :D

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I agree with every word of that post Margaret. We women certainly have a different view of this type of crime.

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Do you?
I don't think so, different views have been put forward by members of both sexes, however the commonality running through all the posts has been the disdain for the perpetrators by all.

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Less, i was referring to what Margaret had written in her post.

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No apology needed M,that's what googles for ;)
I thought you was neologist at first......

....everyday has the potential to be a school day on Accyweb :D

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Doubt very much if theres any hotfooting back, seems very odd to me he gave up his citizenship awhile ago, makes me wonder if he was tipped a wink.

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New series starting tomorrow, 9pm, CI channel (Sky 553/Virgin 237).
Episode guide here - Crime and Investigation Channel
Should be a interesting watch if I'm not busy, the first one is about jimmy sav.

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I read it, didn't think it had a female bias to it, just her usual common sense.

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"Conservative MP Nigel Evans says questions must be answered about Sir Cliff's claims the media knew about the search before he did."

Well if Nigel Evans is on his side I'm absolutely sure Cliff is pure as the driven snow.:rolleyes:

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Hmmm ;)

I'm surprised esta rancid and tribe haven't been out in support for cliff yet :(

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Don't you love to dig up and stir the past?
Have you anything actually worth saying?
Hmmmm.

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Me a neologist?
No.....I'm nowhere near good enough to be one of those...the only made up word I know is 'imbuggerance'.......something that Ma uses a lot....but I have never ever heard it used by anyone out of our family.

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Perhaps "Ma" Is saying embuggerance? not the end of the world, but the world would be better without it.....

....kinda how one could describe jimmy savile ;)

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Hmmmm, or other words that are just filling up space because I want to say something...

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whoa hang on a second whats a MP doing blabbing his gob off when there hasnt been an investigation into pedopholia and sexual assault claims within/about government yet

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And it appears that the police did not leak this news to the press, but it was an allegation taken to the police by news media.

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Exaro news
ExaroNews: Investigative journalism and analysis | ExaroNews
have been investigating child abuse and appealing for victims to contact them if they do not trust the police.

They do proper investigative journalism that the other news media no longer do.

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Thank you for that link Margaret.
That is going on my bookmarks for future reference.

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I had to try and explain to my "Ma" today why these "accusers" have waited so long to come forward as she didn't really get it.
The fear and feelings of not being believed is enough to put most abuse victims off coming forward and talking about their experience (especially if they've tried before).
I can only imagine the difficulty,fears etc of being abused (especially by a 'VIP') and trying to find the strength to stand up and say yes they abused me (even more so if your the first in the case of multiple victims).

Anyhow,It will be interesting to see what unfolds. I'm quite surprised that he's (allegedly) coming back to the UK though,but then again,I suppose he'd look even more suspicious if he didn't.
He has houses in many places, Portugal seems a popular destination for many at the top...

.....Anywhere near the McCann "abduction" I wonder? Hmmm

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I think it is difficult for those who have not had experience with the victims of abuse to understand the way they(the victims) perceive their part in the events.
In many cases they feel that they were to blame in some way.......but it is embarrassment and humiliation and the fear of not being believed that causes victims to stay silent....and the telling of the event is to relive it and the horrors that were in it.

Those who do come forward have doubt cast upon their claims because there can be no actual forensic evidence because of the historical nature of the allegations.

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Re cliff, I wonder if he'll be stripped of his knighthood if he's found guilty of these (alleged) crimes?
I also wonder if he'll be 'wired for sound' during his interview :D

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I think it is a bit premature to be speculating on such things.
He has not been interviewed or charged and must be presumed to be innocent until the due process of law has run its course and a judgement is made.

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If Cliff returns to the UK to answer the allegations I will eat both my hats!

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If he doesn't, then many people will presume from these actions that he has something to answer for.

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Maybe the yewtree investigators read accyweb :eek: I mention in post #24 in the thread below that maybe they should concentrate their efforts on the singers still alive

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...h-54757-2.html

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the value of signed cliff richard collectables is pretty much hanging in the balance right now

i bet theres a few nervous collectors out there

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Just read about Cilla Black coming out in support for cliff (their going to need a Lara Lara evidence). The majority of folk are saying its a witch hunt and that he's innocent :eek:
Whatever the evidence, I doubt his loyal fans will believe it, I think his fan base is bigger than Rolf's and possibly JavaScript's too.

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He is innocent until proved otherwise.
Trial by media does not count in legal circles.

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The media is only just catching up and printing the online rumours that have been around for donkeys M, he's guilty in my eyes......I'm not in any legal circles so it does count ;)

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Two things,
1/ might I suggest you refrain from calling Margaret 'M'? IF, you value your life of course.
2/ just because you can decide someone is guilty without any solid evidence being placed before you does not make that person guilty.

As you have said above, these are rumours, rumours are not valid in any legal system.

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Less, It is OK for him to call me M(as long as it is done with respect:D).......It is frequently how I sign myself....even family members call me M and someone recently asked me if my full name was Emily.
I have been called much worse. :)

I agree that it is easy to think someone is guilty because of the rumour mill....but until he is found guilty in a court of law he is innocent.

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Well you have calmed down then, I can remember many people feeling the sharp edge of your tongue because they didn't address you in a manner to your suiting. What's happened has your Doctor changed your prescription?
:eek:

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No Less...things have happened in my life to make me realise that there are bigger things to be concerned about.
I take no medications...well not prescribed ones anyway...for which I am truly thankful.
And you ought to know that I stay well away from the men in white coats :D(they might get the notion that I need putting away in a dark room with padding on the walls).

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Two things L,
1.Might I suggest you refrain from trying to stir the pot ( I've addressed Margaret as 'M' many times, I'm sure she would of said if this wasn't to her liking).
2.I'm aware of the definition of 'rumour' (and hersay).......

....'I HEAR' it was the BBC who informed the police about cliff, 'IF SO' the BBC must have got something on him ('ALLEGEDLY' his fans (and others) are saying that the BBC have done it out of spite :eek:).

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Not trying to stir the pot, if I was, I would constantly post views that I can't substantiate and come to decisions about people working with absolutely no facts at all.
Fact 1 Margaret has on many previous occasions stated that she prefers to be called Margaret.
Fact 2 you may be aware of the definition of the term rumour, unfortunately you do not have the werewithall to refrain from blackening people's characters with absolutely no proof at all.
Be it a member of Royalty or some tedious has been celebrity.
I would love you to post something that actually takes into account actual proven fact, even if you can only manage to do it just once on here.

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Less, on those occasions when people called me by something other than Margaret, it was done in either a spiteful way or in a disrespectful manner.....and that is what created the problem for me.
Accyexplorer(to my knowledge) has not done this.....even if I have disagreed with him(and I have) his addressing of me has always been courteous.
Therein lies the difference.

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Fine Margaret, if you say so.

As usual you never cease to amaze me.
:)

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Less,Whatever I've addressed Margaret as (be it Margaret,'M' or even baroness pilkington) it's always been with the upmost respect, hence why I assume your just trying to stir the pot.

As for Cliff, he's that far in with and the establishment, I doubt he will even be found guilty but in my eyes he's a wrong un.
Your right,obviously,I have no actual evidence of his guilt except what I have read on the internet (I know,that doesn't make him guilty (in the eyes of the law) ).

Anyway, If there was any dodgy things on his PC, then he would of had ample time to remove it. He has 'allegedly' known about the allegations for a while.

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Yet again you assume, therefore I must be guilty, just like the Royals and all celebrities, because you say so, not because you can prove so.

Perhaps he won't be found guilty, perhaps it won't even come to trial? Perhaps he actually is innocent? I don't know, but unlike you I won't slander him on site the way you and your 'no smoke without fire' ideology does.
If there were dodgy things? Again because you assume he is guilty you assume he has a computer filled with what?

If he has known for a while, allegedly or not, it is not right for you to speculate in your own narrow, biased, fashion what may or may not be on his PC.

It would appear that it is alright in your mind to make up your own version of the truth and spread this poison over the web, but what if all the hurtful things you say are completely wrong and you are wrongly accusing an innocent person?

Will you come back on and issue a complete apology for any harm you may have caused? Of course not, because you don't think your doing any harm do you?

I hope your speculations about the man are wrong, they might not be, but you do seem to get a great deal of pleasure, (my speculation) from calling all those in the public eye wrong un's.

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I hope I amaze you in a good way Less :)

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"If there were dodgy things? Again because you assume he is guilty you assume he has a computer filled with what?"

Lord knows what is/was in his home...however, I do believe these 'wrong un's' are similar to the likes of some killers,rapists etc in that they are incline to keep a trophy/souvenir.....so you never know he may of missed something in his 'assumed' clean up.

"If he has known for a while, allegedly or not, it is not right for you to speculate in your own narrow, biased, fashion what may or may not be on his PC."

I know,I really shouldn't speculate, to be honest I'm much more innocent until proven guilty than I was say pre Yewtree but that still doesn't change my thoughts about Cliff.

"It would appear that it is alright in your mind to make up your own version of the truth and spread this poison over the web, but what if all the hurtful things you say are completely wrong and you are wrongly accusing an innocent person?"

It's my kangaroo court mentality L, I hope my "poison" hasn't hurt you too much.If he's innocent I'll show my backside in the pound shop window.

"Will you come back on and issue a complete apology for any harm you may have caused?"
I Doubt I've caused any actual 'harm' L, I'll hold my hand up and say I 'seem' to have been wrong if that helps?.

"Of course not, because you don't think your doing any harm do you?"

Nope,not really, I'm just saying what I think and if it turns out I was wrong so be it.

"I hope your speculations about the man are wrong, they might not be, but you do seem to get a great deal of pleasure, (my speculation) from calling all those in the public eye wrong un's".

I hope I'm wrong too L, like I've said he was apart of my childhood I'm not calling all royals and all so called celebs wrong un's..... just some. :D

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Well I hope he is not only innocent but can prove it beyond a doubt to someone like you.
My main reason for wanting him to be innocent? Because then it would mean there are no victims, except of course for the man you and others like you are calling guilty before you have even the slightest bit of evidence to confirm such a thing.
As for his computer, does he have one? He could be P.C. illiterate for all I know. You of course know all of his personal details without having to investigate.
Seems to me you have an over fascination for this subject.

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I particularly like the thought that if he is innocent, then there can be no victim/s.

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I do wonder about people, why do they come down heavy on certain crimes/criminals/suspects of crime?

Is it because they are the result of having suffered this abuse? (In which case they have my deepest sympathy)

Or

Could it be they are fighting their inner demons and transferring guilt onto any likely suspect? (In which case we all have strange thoughts, don't give in to them and don't transfer your guilt onto some other easy target).

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I'm glad we've got that my comments are just assumptions and presumptions before law out the way, it was being to bore me :)
I'll be quite and wait to 'the truth comes out' :rolleyes:

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Talk English fool! Your assumptions and presumptions might then begin to make sense!
They will still be useless, but at last sensible useless.
😢

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You do offender psychology too L, is there no limit to your talents ;)

Maybe they just enjoy running their mouth off L :D
It's a bit of a sweeping gesture to assume all these folk have been abused or are (potentially) abusers themselves .....No doubt some may of been abused or even had "strange thoughts" as you put it but not all of them (that's like me saying all MPs and Royals are wrong un's).

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Innocent or guilty, I think its utterly ridiculous fer Cilla to publicly state he is innocent!! Its a fine example of how stupid she is, This is the same woman that recently stated she wanted to die at 74, This a woman who is 71 and seems to be in good health, a great example of what a clown she is.:rolleyes:

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You got the gist L, No need for the cheap shots :)

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Good grief, I was offering you a get out clause, I was hinting that you could have been abused or else perhaps thinking yourself as potential abuser, you could have taken either route, but now I see you are just a pathetic waste of time.
Just about able to slabber over your keyboard and throw a few insulting phrases together.
Now I know it's sympathy you need.

P.S. as I've already said use English to communicate.

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I wonder if she'll come out and publicly apologise if he's found guilty?
So she only wants another 3yrs of life :eek: She's certainly a few cans sort of a six pack then.

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Will you apologise if he is found to have no case against him?
More of your smoke screen? You really do put forward crap then try to change the subject when you prove yourself less than articulate within the subject.
:(

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Sorry L, I didn't spot your satire.

If I've insulted you in anyway I'm sorry for this also :D

Have you ever thought that maybe you have certain issues (no offence) ?

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I did mention i'd hold my hand up and say 'maybe' it looks like I was wrong (if he's found to be innocent)..... along with showing my backside in poundworld.

Believe what you will Less, I do :D
Even if he gets a not guilty, I still think he's guilty :eek:

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Since his early associates were Lord Boothby and the Kray twins how can anyone not suspect that he has something to hide.

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As already mentioned, we humans have ideas, some good some bad, of course I have issues but I'm not prepared to push my guilt onto others, that is where we seem to differ.
Live with your own, don't push them onto me, Cliff or anyone else.

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We can all suspect, however should my own personal suspicions mean you should be tried as a witch?

OF COURSE NOT!

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Witchcraft and Misogyny are both legal -
so you can sleep easy tonight ;)

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So, allow me to ask, which version of misogyny are you attempting to accuse me of you old witch?

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

MargaretR, I think it's very unfair of you to intimate Less is a misogynist!

Misogynists are defined as disliking women particularly. You could never accuse Less of showing that sort of bias.:rolleyes:

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Yes, just like all normal people I have certain issues, one of my main ones is people that rattle off at the gob like some old style fish wife, condemning others when they have absolutely no proof of their allegations.

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

'old style fish wife' - see what I mean by misogyny :D

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Oh dear, one of the offensive is feeling offended.

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Apparently when "Devil Woman" was released Cliff claimed he didn't know what it was about? So it said on Tv program some years back.

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Er - it was just a song. No great meaning.