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MargaretR 12-10-2012 08:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022341)
Oh theres nowt wrong wi that, Its whats actually said that makes the nutter.:D

I dislike your practice of attaching that label to persons who have opinions that differ from yours.

kestrelx 12-10-2012 08:47

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022342)
I dislike your practice of attaching that label to persons who have opinions that differ from yours.

I've read several of Icke's books and digested his far out theories and even for me the Savile exposure has been a traumatic experience. To think that behind his jovial character he was groping and abusing underage people and doing things for charity while living a double life. A childhood icon destroyed...who else has been up to no good as well?

cashman 12-10-2012 09:07

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022342)
I dislike your practice of attaching that label to persons who have opinions that differ from yours.

Dislike all yeh want yer entitled, Plus thats complete crap, Jaysay and i have vastly differing opinions on certain things, so that shoots yer daft statement down.:rolleyes:

MargaretR 12-10-2012 09:18

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022351)
Dislike all yeh want yer entitled, Plus thats complete crap, Jaysay and i have vastly differing opinions on certain things, so that shoots yer daft statement down.:rolleyes:

I have the overwhelming feeling that you think it, more often than you say it.


PS I think I am in your 'nutters list' but you are too polite to say so :D

kestrelx 12-10-2012 10:05

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022341)
Oh theres nowt wrong wi that, Its whats actually said that makes the nutter.:D

yeh but Icke was claiming society is riddled with Paedophilia for years - and now suddenly it seems his claim is much more true than false; with the outing of Sir Snivel!:D

cashman 12-10-2012 12:01

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022355)
I have the overwhelming feeling that you think it, more often than you say it.


PS I think I am in your 'nutters list' but you are too polite to say so :D

Nah if yeh were Margaret i would say so,;) Though slightly losing the plot is nearer the mark.:D

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1022359)
yeh but Icke was claiming society is riddled with Paedophilia for years - and now suddenly it seems his claim is much more true than false; with the outing of Sir Snivel!:D

And yer point is? Even nutters will get summat right!! I would think many people would be well aware of that fact, unless completely naive.:D

annesingleton 12-10-2012 21:53

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I think I've said a long time ago, I always thought he was dodgy. Looks like I may have been right.

annesingleton 12-10-2012 21:54

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Originally Posted by Burningman (Post 1022272)
It can only be a matter of time before Boris Johnson's mum comes forward and tells us that she was raped by Jimmy Saville.

I think that's a bit out of order.

kestrelx 12-10-2012 21:58

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1022444)
I think that's a bit out of order.

Hear hear!

Less 12-10-2012 22:10

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1022443)
I think I've said a long time ago, I always thought he was dodgy. Looks like I may have been right.

Nothing to be proud of being right unfortunately if he was dodgy would have been better if he was exposed then prosecuted whilst alive.
All it seems to me is nobody can trust anyone with their young children so always be there to protect them. I might talk to people like that every day but I can't tell who is what, I just don't know.

cashman 12-10-2012 22:20

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1022450)
Nothing to be proud of being right unfortunately if he was dodgy would have been better if he was exposed then prosecuted whilst alive.
.

Thats the bit of this whole sorry saga that bugs me,:( Guilty n its damn obvious to all but the blind, its goes much deeper n higher than a dead D.J.:(

Restless 12-10-2012 22:22

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If there is any truth to all this from the articles it looks like there is a ring of these monsters. If anything, if it is true, then perhaps others that are still living can be taken down.

MargaretR 12-10-2012 22:29

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We need the D notice that was placed on Operation Ore lifted pronto.

cashman 12-10-2012 22:42

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022460)
We need the D notice that was placed on Operation Ore lifted pronto.

If i knew what that was, i may even agree wi yeh.:confused::D

MargaretR 12-10-2012 22:45

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022466)
If i knew what that was, i may even agree wi yeh.:confused::D

Operation Ore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The police bungled it - maybe on purpose.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01...n_list_leaked/

Restless 12-10-2012 23:06

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It says including somebody from within the COE.... well that doesn't surprise me. The amount of these monstrosities that actually exist does. To me its further proof that god does not exist.

MargaretR 12-10-2012 23:10

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Whilst delving into this topic I learned that all contributions to Childline are passed to NSPCC - and one of the NSPCC chiefs is Mandelson!

kestrelx 13-10-2012 09:14

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1022450)
Nothing to be proud of being right unfortunately if he was dodgy would have been better if he was exposed then prosecuted whilst alive.
All it seems to me is nobody can trust anyone with their young children so always be there to protect them. I might talk to people like that every day but I can't tell who is what, I just don't know.


Actually if it's all true and it seems it is, Savile has done much more harm to the world than all the money in the world can fix. As now there will be much more paranoia and suspicion about people that may be genuinely trying to do good things for people.

So that is a good point Less, also anyone who is eccentric is now more likely to be labelled a Paedo because of this.

Also when I started this thread I got a lot of bad karma and attacks - now it seems I am vindicated and a few apologies wouldn't go amiss! :eek::D:D:D

kestrelx 13-10-2012 09:18

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 972321)
Nah your right Less,I won't use the ignore function. This idiot can be dealt with

Da da da da da da!:hehetable

cashman 13-10-2012 09:31

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well i don't remember giving yeh any red fer it?:confused: still if i did yeh would know, cos i sign em.

DaveinGermany 13-10-2012 13:24

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022466)
If i knew what that was, i may even agree wi yeh.:confused::D

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022468)

And if that doesn't answer your question Cashy & you're actually referring to the D-Notice, this may help.

'Blair covering up paedophile scandal?' | www.tpuc.org

cashman 13-10-2012 13:56

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1022528)
And if that doesn't answer your question Cashy & you're actually referring to the D-Notice, this may help.

'Blair covering up paedophile scandal?' | www.tpuc.org

Ta Dave seems our World Statesman has even more to answer for, Bet Toffee Guy n Gynn say little about this?:rolleyes:

MargaretR 13-10-2012 14:05

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I find this rather explosive reading - politicians blackmailing each other because of their perversions.

Tony Blair as 'Miranda '

susie123 13-10-2012 14:49

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022543)
I find this rather explosive reading - politicians blackmailing each other because of their perversions.

Tony Blair as 'Miranda '

Ha Margaret had to laugh at one of the typos in that article...

How Britain came to be in the EU under such disastrous terms was because Edward Heath was allegedly a cuprophiliac, he would regularly take boys from certain care homes away on his boat for weekends

So he liked copper, did he? More likely he was a coprophiliac:

someone with a marked interest in excrement, especially the use of feces or filth for sexual excitement


Good ol' Ted - used to see him around the local pubs when we and he lived in/near Salisbury after he retired. He always had his minder with him but no little boys.

(I see that typo has been faithfully reproduced in several other articles if you can believe a google search - oh the joys of cut and paste!

MargaretR 13-10-2012 15:01

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Heaven forbid that pedophiliac investigations be abandoned because of a spelling mistake :rolleyes:

susie123 13-10-2012 15:04

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022551)
Heaven forbid that pedophiliac investigations be abandoned because of a spelling mistake :rolleyes:

No - but I would say whoever wrote that hadn't a clue what either word meant and copied it from somewhere, because it or its connotations are not referred to again. How many other people know what it means - they'd read that and think "oh that must be something really dirty" without being too sure.

MargaretR 13-10-2012 15:11

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His name crops up numerous times - this is just another

THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT: Child Abuse : Kincora Scandal - MP Ted Heath Visits Kincora

I had never heard of that sexual practice before this scandal broke. It seems that faeces are frozen in a condom - home made appliances maybe?

I saw on one forum that a customs officer was puzzled by finding condoms in Savile's luggage.

Gordon Booth 13-10-2012 16:00

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1022555)
His name crops up numerous times - this is just another

THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT: Child Abuse : Kincora Scandal - MP Ted Heath Visits Kincora

I had never heard of that sexual practice before this scandal broke. It seems that faeces are frozen in a condom - home made appliances maybe?

I saw on one forum that a customs officer was puzzled by finding condoms in Savile's luggage.

You're a mine of unbelievable information, MargaretR. I'm now a wiser(but shocked) man.

Less 13-10-2012 16:26

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 1022582)
You're a mine of unbelievable information, MargaretR. I'm now a wiser(but shocked) man.


I knew such sites must exist, now I'm afraid, very afraid, I can no longer say I've never visited one.

I feel so dirty, if I go for a bath in bleach will I be able to scrub away the effects?
:eek:

annesingleton 13-10-2012 17:50

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When I said I always thought he was dodgy it never really occurred to me that he may be a paedophile, more that he was dangerous in a Krays sort of way, just goes to show how foolish we can be, looking at his use of charity work to gain access to victims, it's obvious what he was up to.
But taking a broader view, in the times he was operating, mainly the sixties to early eighties public perception was far different.
One example - I've been watching episodes of A Touch of Frost and thought I'd like to read the books that the series is based on. I downloaded the first book, written in the early eighties on to my Kindle, and having read it I am shocked! Inspector Frost and his colleagues are sex obsessed, sexist, racist dinosaurs who can't distinguish between children and adults - one bit has Frost finding obscene photos of children taken by a vicar and doing nothing because 'he wasn't doing any harm', in others he speaks sexually of being interested in twelve year old girls. Not the cosy Inspector Frost we know from the telly at all!
What I'm saying is that this was the culture of the time which allowed Jimmy Saville to do what he did throughout his life with no repercussions.

kestrelx 13-10-2012 18:55

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1022598)
When I said I always thought he was dodgy it never really occurred to me that he may be a paedophile, more that he was dangerous in a Krays sort of way, just goes to show how foolish we can be, looking at his use of charity work to gain access to victims, it's obvious what he was up to.
But taking a broader view, in the times he was operating, mainly the sixties to early eighties public perception was far different.
One example - I've been watching episodes of A Touch of Frost and thought I'd like to read the books that the series is based on. I downloaded the first book, written in the early eighties on to my Kindle, and having read it I am shocked! Inspector Frost and his colleagues are sex obsessed, sexist, racist dinosaurs who can't distinguish between children and adults - one bit has Frost finding obscene photos of children taken by a vicar and doing nothing because 'he wasn't doing any harm', in others he speaks sexually of being interested in twelve year old girls. Not the cosy Inspector Frost we know from the telly at all!
What I'm saying is that this was the culture of the time which allowed Jimmy Saville to do what he did throughout his life with no repercussions.

That's partly true - I think sex abuse pre sort of the 90's was overlooked more than it is now and that was linked in with the attitude "Children should be seen and not heard!" So if I child complained about being abused it was in the culture to slap them down!

I read an article in last weeks Saturday Mail that in the early 70's a couple of big rock bands had girls knickers as part of their record - one was Alice Cooper, a pair of knickers was part of their record sleeve.

Also a well known term was Jail Bait! meaning a girl under 16 who was sexually attractive to adult males, but could go to prison for - this was a buzz term in the rock media at the time.

annesingleton 13-10-2012 19:23

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1022610)
That's partly true - I think sex abuse pre sort of the 90's was overlooked more than it is now and that was linked in with the attitude "Children should be seen and not heard!" So if I child complained about being abused it was in the culture to slap them down!

I read an article in last weeks Saturday Mail that in the early 70's a couple of big rock bands had girls knickers as part of their record - one was Alice Cooper, a pair of knickers was part of their record sleeve.

Also a well known term was Jail Bait! meaning a girl under 16 who was sexually attractive to adult males, but could go to prison for - this was a buzz term in the rock media at the time.

The term 'jail bait' has been mentioned throughout the book I have referred to. Also it seems that if children were abused it was their fault because they were asking for it. Amazingly I was a teenager at this time but it seems I have had my rose tinted spectacles on and forgotten this stuff, whilst wishing we were back in a Life On Mars scenario with Gene Hunt!

kestrelx 13-10-2012 21:34

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1022615)
The term 'jail bait' has been mentioned throughout the book I have referred to. Also it seems that if children were abused it was their fault because they were asking for it. Amazingly I was a teenager at this time but it seems I have had my rose tinted spectacles on and forgotten this stuff, whilst wishing we were back in a Life On Mars scenario with Gene Hunt!

A girl I went out with (who was 20+ at the time in the 80's), who went out with 1 of the Glitter band, said to me that the Glitter band were into under 16 girls. This is before all the Gary Glitter thing came about.

Now this film "Withnail and I" is a cult film but one part, 0.51 on this video he's shouting at school girls and then saying "little tarts they love it!"

So it's an undercurrent of 60's and 70's culture that is a fact.

Withnail and I (part 4) - YouTube

Michael1954 13-10-2012 22:08

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1022610)
That's partly true - I think sex abuse pre sort of the 90's was overlooked more than it is now and that was linked in with the attitude "Children should be seen and not heard!" So if I child complained about being abused it was in the culture to slap them down!

I read an article in last weeks Saturday Mail that in the early 70's a couple of big rock bands had girls knickers as part of their record - one was Alice Cooper, a pair of knickers was part of their record sleeve.

Also a well known term was Jail Bait! meaning a girl under 16 who was sexually attractive to adult males, but could go to prison for - this was a buzz term in the rock media at the time.

The Alice Cooper album is School's Out. That's nothing compared to the sleeve cover of Blind Faith's album. The cover continues to be used for the CD.

annesingleton 13-10-2012 22:18

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I think looking at the situation from our current world of political correctness that in the years up until the early eighties people generally gave little thought to girls indulging in underage sex - if girls were doing that then they were generally considered to be up for it and to deserve everything that happened to them. The idea of paedophilia didn't really exist other than weirdos abducting children every now and again until Esther Rantzen highlighted it on her programme in the mid to late eighties.
I am sure that this is why Jimmy Savile was able to operate as he did, any allegations made at that time would have been considered as being the girl's fault for being too provocative and no fault of Jim's. It was more the norm at that time.

kestrelx 16-10-2012 06:14

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Jimmy Savile was asked "What do you do in your camper van?" His reply was, "Anyone I can get my hands on!"

Chris SUI JURIS 16-10-2012 08:54

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we all know Jimmy Saville liked his girls the Same as his Whiskey - Aged 13 yrs, and Mixed up with Coke :hidewall:

Gremlin 16-10-2012 09:07

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Don't include me, I didn't know.

Less 16-10-2012 09:48

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022915)
we all know Jimmy Saville liked his girls the Same as his Whiskey - Aged 13 yrs, and Mixed up with Coke :hidewall:

No we didn't all know that, that is why the majority of us are shocked and disappointed by these revelations.

If you knew this while he was alive why didn't you as a 'responsible' person report him to the authorities?

Please don't claim to be joking because your comment is like you, of the lowest quality.

cashman 16-10-2012 10:02

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Do not feed the troll, its hard but i'm trying.;)

Less 16-10-2012 10:07

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022931)
i'm trying.;)

Yes you are.:D

Chris SUI JURIS 16-10-2012 10:48

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1022929)
No we didn't all know that, that is why the majority of us are shocked and disappointed by these revelations.

If you knew this while he was alive why didn't you as a 'responsible' person report him to the authorities?

Please don't claim to be joking because your comment is like you, of the lowest quality.


I'm just disappointed by the recent revelations :(
It was only a joke/ bit of banter :rolleyes:

If you knew this while he was alive i would of said something but reporting him to the police would'nt of done anything he was "untouchable" as i think he was the pedo elites top man plus he had links to krays,richardsons,charles etc you'll be saying i'm complicit with these crimes next :rolleyes:

cashman 16-10-2012 12:28

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1022933)
as i think he was the pedo elites top man plus he had links to krays,richardsons,charles etc you'll be saying i'm complicit with these crimes next :rolleyes:

That would be impossible to be complicit, as yeh require 6 more brain cells to acquire Half Wit standard.:rolleyes:

Chris SUI JURIS 16-10-2012 13:29

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1022943)
That would be impossible to be complicit, as yeh require 6 more brain cells to acquire Half Wit standard.:rolleyes:

Now then Now then,,, play nice cash,,,,,I bet you've a jim'll fix it badge( to stay on topic) ;)

MargaretR 17-10-2012 16:19

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John Simpson details another BBC predator in his biography
Home | Mail Online
...and Ester Rancid is removed from the website of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood.
Esther Rantzen sacked in wake of Savile scandal

The future of the BBC looks grimmer by the day.

Chris SUI JURIS 17-10-2012 16:27

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1023045)
John Simpson details another BBC predator in his biography
Home | Mail Online
...and Ester Rancid is removed from the website of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood.
Esther Rantzen sacked in wake of Savile scandal

The future of the BBC looks grimmer by the day.

True...they'll still be funded by some members on here tho as they won't believe it and won't want to let there fellow citizens who do pay down ;)

Sunflower49 17-10-2012 16:40

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I'm seeing this as a nice money-spinner, I was around Sir Jimmy fairly often during childhood, up until I was 16 when my Grandfather died, that's the last time I saw him. I may say he fiddled with me in the toilets, that'll get me some pretty pennies won't it...

Or maybe not.

If we didn't live in this 'Compensation' loving society I doubt half of the 'allegations' would be occuring. It's all quite sad. I don't 'Know' that he's innocent,of course-I just think it's all a bit too far-fetched, a bit unrealistic, now.

Chris SUI JURIS 17-10-2012 16:56

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Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1023048)
I'm seeing this as a nice money-spinner, I was around Sir Jimmy fairly often during childhood, up until I was 16 when my Grandfather died, that's the last time I saw him. I may say he fiddled with me in the toilets, that'll get me some pretty pennies won't it...

Or maybe not.

If we didn't live in this 'Compensation' loving society I doubt half of the 'allegations' would be occuring. It's all quite sad. I don't 'Know' that he's innocent,of course-I just think it's all a bit too far-fetched, a bit unrealistic, now.

i'm glad you don't want to jump on the compen band wagon :)

Chris SUI JURIS 17-10-2012 17:53

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The worst thing about this story is that Savile’s “tendencies” were well known by the police and by the BBC (his employer, which is, by the way, funded by British taxpayers) for years but nothing was ever done to stop him. Quite to the contrary, while Savile was aggressively preying on children, the BBC covered up his crimes while the police (took bribes?) ignored him.

While he is dead and (thankfully) gone, many others still remain.

How many more jimbo's are still in the industry?

Chris SUI JURIS 17-10-2012 18:19

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1022896)
Jimmy Savile was asked "What do you do in your camper van?" His reply was, "Anyone I can get my hands on!"

Is that the same caravan he was allowed to put on hospital property to nonce kids? (they even give him the keys)

So how did he get away with it for over 40 years?

I can only assume he had help to keep it all hush hush and under cover. BBC? Police? Masons?

It needs to be fully investigated,but I am not sure that the police or another govt agency should be doing it. ;)

Chris SUI JURIS 17-10-2012 18:38

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Jimmy Savile And The Ritual Sacrifice Of His Personality - YouTube

Less 17-10-2012 18:46

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023060)

It needs to be fully investigated,but I am not sure that the police or another govt agency should be doing it. ;)

And I'm not sure you should be allowed a keyboard, what sort of thrill are you getting from all this?

Chris SUI JURIS 18-10-2012 22:34

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 1023063)
And I'm not sure you should be allowed a keyboard, what sort of thrill are you getting from all this?

thrill???:confused::confused: just exposing a bit of truth for you less.

jimmy sav,gary glitter,Michael Jackson the list goes on :(

Chris SUI JURIS 18-10-2012 22:51

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"...Edmund Burke

kestrelx 19-10-2012 12:22

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023251)
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"...Edmund Burke

"Those who cannot remember the past or condemned to repeat it!"
George Santayana

So will Jimmy Savile, from now on, be known as the Pope of Paedophiles?:rolleyes: As there have been 200 official complaints and the NSPCC claim it's the biggest ever complaint about child abuse they have ever had! And there are to be investigations into some other people still alive.

Chris SUI JURIS 19-10-2012 12:45

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lol Pope of Paedophiles,i like it ;)

Michael1954 19-10-2012 15:42

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023305)
lol Pope of Paedophiles,i like it ;)

I guess you would.

Guinness 19-10-2012 19:21

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Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023251)
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"...Edmund Burke

"We must not always judge of the generality of the opinion by the noise of the acclamation"...same bloke ;)

Chris SUI JURIS 21-10-2012 01:48

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:eek::eek::eek: knighted by the queen, awarded by the pope, and we are led to believe they or at least their advisors never knew of his perversions?
Victims came forward years ago but were told basically to be quiet Jimbo must have known it would come out sooner or later but Increasingly it seems that he was a protected man.
Savile was for years a regular guest of Margaret Thatcher at her official country house when she was Prime Minister Even best friends with the adulterer Charles windsor, a frequent visitor to Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace and Highgrove (Prince Charles’ estate). Indeed Prince Charles had visited Savile at Savile’s retreat in Glencoe, Scotland...I find it hard to accept that nobody else wasn't in some kind of collusion with him :(

Then there is the Labour25 Scandal.. read about it here http://labour25.com/


did the BBC expose either? i think not :rolleyes:

annesingleton 21-10-2012 21:00

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Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1023048)
I'm seeing this as a nice money-spinner, I was around Sir Jimmy fairly often during childhood, up until I was 16 when my Grandfather died, that's the last time I saw him. I may say he fiddled with me in the toilets, that'll get me some pretty pennies won't it...

Or maybe not.

If we didn't live in this 'Compensation' loving society I doubt half of the 'allegations' would be occuring. It's all quite sad. I don't 'Know' that he's innocent,of course-I just think it's all a bit too far-fetched, a bit unrealistic, now.

I think you have issues here that you may realise more when you are older, at the moment you seem to think you are invincible, even though you won't agree I think you are a very vulnerable young woman. And don't go down the compensation culture line with the people who have spoken, it's offensive. ' Lovely Uncle Jimmy, couldn't do any wrong' - blame the children because they were up for it or now as adults telling lies? How dare you? Just because they're now adults doesn't make them any more vulnerable at the time they were abused. Do you know they are claiming compensation? We need in law to take the word of the people who were children at the time they claim they were abused - hopefully the aim is that children will not be subject to such treatment in the future. Think about it.

walkinman221 21-10-2012 21:15

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
The video with the geordie chap was going really well until he mentioned kronos and maybe a higher deity WTF.:rolleyes::confused:

walkinman221 21-10-2012 21:23

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
I dont think there is a doubt that sir jim has been a pedo but it seems all these nutters are jumping on the bandwagon claiming that lizards and demons are responsible for all that is wrong in the world. Maybe i am just to thick to get it ,but it seems a little far fetched to me.

Chris SUI JURIS 21-10-2012 21:28

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
The BBC scrapped its investigation:
Jimmy Savile: BBC scrapped investigation after Newsnight came 'under pressure' from senior managers - Telegraph

annesingleton 21-10-2012 21:35

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023798)

Panorama investigation tomorrow night, I watched Andrew Marr this morning when Jimmy Saville was described by Esther Rantzen as a "predatory paeodophile" - I agree. According to Gregg Dyke, the Newsnight investigation would have been likely to have been scrapped at the time because of insufficient evidence to proceed.

Chris SUI JURIS 21-10-2012 21:46

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 1023795)
I dont think there is a doubt that sir jim has been a pedo but it seems all these nutters are jumping on the bandwagon claiming that lizards and demons are responsible for all that is wrong in the world. Maybe i am just to thick to get it ,but it seems a little far fetched to me.

Yeah lizards,demons,ancient gods etc do seem far fetched That i do agree with haha
.U.K Column interview-discussing Jimmy Savile and the peodophile rings throughout the establishment-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJtLsKtGCSY&feature=player_embedded
Ted Heath and the jersey care home- http://thedisclosureproject-steelmag...1/pm-ted-heath...
Death of a showman Jimmy Savile-http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860
The Savile Affair-http://antisupremacy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/the-savile-affair.html
Jimmy Savile sex abuse claims: Broadmoor role investigated-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19936195
Call me a pervert when I'm dead, I really don't care - Jimmy Savile, the lost interview-http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-call-me-a-pervert-when-im-1...
Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his paedophile friend's house-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362380/Prince-Andrew-naked-pool-part...
Dunblane school massacre-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre
'Blair covering up paedophile scandal?'-http://www.tpuc.org/node/34
Government could face civil claims-http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/12/jimmy-savile-government-civil-claims
Esther Rantzen covers up abuse-http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4587116/Abuse-campaigner-I-told-Est...
25 named peodophiles of the labour party-http://labour25.com/
Police cover up abuse-http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/

annesingleton 21-10-2012 22:01

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023802)
Yeah lizards,demons,ancient gods etc do seem far fetched That i do agree with haha
.U.K Column interview-discussing Jimmy Savile and the peodophile rings throughout the establishment-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJtLsKtGCSY&feature=player_embedded
Ted Heath and the jersey care home- http://thedisclosureproject-steelmag...1/pm-ted-heath...
Death of a showman Jimmy Savile-http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860
The Savile Affair-http://antisupremacy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/the-savile-affair.html
Jimmy Savile sex abuse claims: Broadmoor role investigated-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19936195
Call me a pervert when I'm dead, I really don't care - Jimmy Savile, the lost interview-http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-call-me-a-pervert-when-im-1...
Prince Andrew and 'naked pool parties' at his paedophile friend's house-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362380/Prince-Andrew-naked-pool-part...
Dunblane school massacre-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre
'Blair covering up paedophile scandal?'-http://www.tpuc.org/node/34
Government could face civil claims-http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/12/jimmy-savile-government-civil-claims
Esther Rantzen covers up abuse-http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4587116/Abuse-campaigner-I-told-Est...
25 named peodophiles of the labour party-http://labour25.com/
Police cover up abuse-http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/

Can we not just keep the discussion real - abuse of young girls by a person in a position of power?

MargaretR 21-10-2012 22:09

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
This started as Jimmy Savile molesting and raping underage girls, but as more victims come forward it is clear that boys were abused too, and there are indications that a widespread ring of pedophiles has been operating for decades.

To just restrict enquiries to Savile would enable that network to continue.

Chris SUI JURIS 21-10-2012 22:12

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1023803)
Can we not just keep the discussion real - abuse of young girls by a person in a position of power?

I am keepin the discussion real anne -Was it just young girls?

I want to see "how far the rabbit hole goes" ;)

annesingleton 21-10-2012 22:26

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023807)
I am keepin the discussion real anne -Was it just young girls?

I want to see "how far the rabbit hole goes" ;)

Yes I agree with you but the discussion does need to be logical, and unfortunately Jimmy Savile is no longer here to be prosecuted, which should have happened a long time ago. I think I've said before that I always thought he was dodgy but wasn't sure how, who knows who he's abused unless people come forward.

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 00:35

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Steptoe and Son actor Wilfrid Brambell. He was named following the scandal engulfing the corporation over the reign of abuse carried out by Jimmy Savile.

Steptoe and Son's Wilfrid Brambell is latest BBC star accused of child sex abuse | Mail Online

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 00:58

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
BBC covered up Uncle Dick

Read more: BBC covered up a second 'national treasure' child abuser known as Uncle Dick, claims John Simpson | Mail Online
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kestrelx 22-10-2012 00:59

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Now we know why he always smoked a massive cigar, it was a phallic symbol, he was blowing smoke in our faces - big time. :rolleyes:

kestrelx 22-10-2012 09:36

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023821)
BBC covered up Uncle Dick

Read more: BBC covered up a second 'national treasure' child abuser known as Uncle Dick, claims John Simpson | Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

This guy Uncle Dick - was a children's radio DJ and died in 1967! Does anyone know who that is?

kestrelx 22-10-2012 09:45

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Ref: this video - post 63.
The bone fragments that were found in this Jersey Children's home Haut de la Garenne are now said to be non-human and also 100's of years old!

cashman 22-10-2012 09:53

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1023845)
This guy Uncle Dick - was a children's radio DJ and died in 1967! Does anyone know who that is?

No idea, but apparently its on Twitter who, Not being a twit i don't use it.:D

Sunflower49 22-10-2012 10:01

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1023786)
I think you have issues here that you may realise more when you are older, at the moment you seem to think you are invincible, even though you won't agree I think you are a very vulnerable young woman. And don't go down the compensation culture line with the people who have spoken, it's offensive. ' Lovely Uncle Jimmy, couldn't do any wrong' - blame the children because they were up for it or now as adults telling lies? How dare you? Just because they're now adults doesn't make them any more vulnerable at the time they were abused. Do you know they are claiming compensation? We need in law to take the word of the people who were children at the time they claim they were abused - hopefully the aim is that children will not be subject to such treatment in the future. Think about it.

Well if you think that, you must be correct. I guess you are-and it's because of my job, obviously.

kestrelx 22-10-2012 10:05

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1023849)
No idea, but apparently its on Twitter who, Not being a twit i don't use it.:D

Where on Twitter? Twitter is millions of people with accounts when you click to follow someone, you then get all their messages when they "tweet!" but they don't get yours. If they like you then they follow you also and get your tweets.

So who's tweeting this information then! ;)

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 10:32

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1023845)
This guy Uncle Dick - was a children's radio DJ and died in 1967! Does anyone know who that is?

All i'll say at min is research kes......wheres detective supersue when you need her ;)

MargaretR 22-10-2012 10:46

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Some of us old codgers will remember him

Derek McCulloch | The Radio Academy

Sunflower49 22-10-2012 11:28

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 1023786)
I think you have issues here that you may realise more when you are older, at the moment you seem to think you are invincible, even though you won't agree I think you are a very vulnerable young woman. And don't go down the compensation culture line with the people who have spoken, it's offensive. ' Lovely Uncle Jimmy, couldn't do any wrong' - blame the children because they were up for it or now as adults telling lies? How dare you? Just because they're now adults doesn't make them any more vulnerable at the time they were abused. Do you know they are claiming compensation? We need in law to take the word of the people who were children at the time they claim they were abused - hopefully the aim is that children will not be subject to such treatment in the future. Think about it.

(In further response to Anne, the internet decided to misbehave before).

And also,do you know that they do not?



Okay, now I have had a little bit of time to consider, I will say something to you.
It has just dawned on me after a quick post-search, that you are the same user who commented on my blog and has made a point of responding to more than a few of my posts.


You do not know me, have never met me, yet have formed an opinion on me because of my chosen line of work.

Please correct me if I am wrong, as you could be using an alias?

I am inclined to think that this deems you bigoted, ostentatious and pious,all traits that I personally find the most inflammatory in people, but that's not so relevant.

What has caused me to reply, is the fact that it's possible you are genuine, and actually think you are doing some potential good, by helping this young, vulnerable character you have decided I am, and if this is true, then it has to be said.

I have worked with the vulnerable most of my life, was a pioneer of a support group some years ago, and you're right, there are some girls in my line of work who I worry about.

Let us say for arguments sake, that you are correct, I am a young, vulnerable girl, desperate for money, my boyfriend is actually my pimp, I have nobody to talk to and I cry myself to sleep every night.-whatever just an example.

Your methods, of which I speak of things such as saying their choice of money making apparatus was 'shameful' that they're 'dodgy' and are vulnerable and shooting them down when they show any sort of personality,- do you believe that these things would hold any positive effect, on somebody in such a position? Do you think it would make such a person hold respect and figure that you're correct, and summon up the strength to do something about it?

Or do you think perhaps it would cause them upset, cause them even more self-hatred than they already struggle with-make them want to separate themselves from 'normal' society even more than they may already do?



Another relevancy is your medium of doing so-on an internet discussion forum. This person I defined has made an attempt to be part of normal society and is discussing various current issues and conversing with some new people.

And then, they are addressed the way you are addressing me. I am hoping you have the perceptive ability to understand that this is not a positive thing, and again, can emphasise self-esteem issues and result in further harbouring of self hatred, subsequently egoistic rejection from society.

Coming across the way you do, from a stance 'above', causes isolation in young, vulnerable people-especially when it is done publicly. I cannot remember properly and I will not be bothering trawling through more old posts, but did I not advise you from the very beginning that it would be favourable to message me privately, following a response to one of my posts?

If you want to help young, vulnerable people then I can only admire you for that. You may even do so already-I do not know -however in any case please, please change your methods, your way of addressing them-rid yourself of the innate snobbery and rigid opinions, and open your mind a little.

Coming across the way you do to myself, with those who are vulnerable and sensitive can manifest itself and can affect somebody who is already feeling victimised. Understanding, open-mindedness, kindness is key.

I would have sent this privately , but as you choose to jibe at me publicly, I decided you may prefer my responses to be public.

I apologise for threadjack, also mods, if you want I will move this to a new thread. It just needed to be said. I almost think she would like it if something *did* happen to me as a result of my work, or at work, because it would mean she had been proven somewhat correct!

Jennifer

Less 22-10-2012 11:43

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarmouse0707 (Post 1023864)
ostentatious

Jennifer

Knowing you to be rather pedantry so far as English language is concerned, are you sure you meant ostentatious and not obnoxious?

Perhaps if you spend a little more time correcting your own posts you will have less time to worry about other peoples wandering apostrophes?

:D

P.S. Is it good English to start posts so regularly with lol?
:)

Sunflower49 22-10-2012 11:48

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Lol is what I should reply to that! :)
No I definitely meant ostentatious, do you think I have used it incorrectly?

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 12:04

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1023847)
Ref: this video - post 63.
The bone fragments that were found in this Jersey Children's home Haut de la Garenne are now said to be non-human and also 100's of years old!

maybe...this is worth a read tho
JERSEY:Children were loaned to rich paedophile yachtsmen

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 12:11

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
“‘I RAN THE GAUNTLET OF PEDOPHILES IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY’, SAYS FORMER CHILD ACTOR”

'Jimmy Saville may be the villain of the moment concerning revelations about child sexual abuse at the BBC, but the truth is there are pedophiles everywhere in the entertainment industry. Many of them are in positions of power and influence within their respective organisations, including adult stars, directors, producers and executives. The following accounts are just some of my own personal experiences – and brushes with pedophilia out in the entertainment and big media spheres, as a child star who attended the Sylvia Young Theatre School in London ...'

‘I RAN THE GAUNTLET OF PEDOPHILES IN THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY’, SAYS FORMER CHILD ACTOR 21st Century Wire

MargaretR 22-10-2012 12:21

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Former child actor Ben Fellows has made further allegations since those

Ben Fellows: ‘Murdoch Newspaper Does a ?BBC? to Protect Pedophiles and Child Abusers’ 21st Century Wire

For anyone who feels that rampant pedophilia is mainly confined to the entertainment industry, I provide this link showing a long list of pedo politicians (the ones who got caught/small fry mostly).

http://chris-ukorg.org/uk-child-abus...ty-affiliated/

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 12:52

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1023870)
Former child actor Ben Fellows has made further allegations since those

Ben Fellows: ‘Murdoch Newspaper Does a ?BBC? to Protect Pedophiles and Child Abusers’ 21st Century Wire

For anyone who feels that rampant pedophilia is mainly confined to the entertainment industry, I provide this link showing a long list of pedo politicians (the ones who got caught/small fry mostly).

Councillors/Political party Affiliated

pedophilia is certainly not confined to the entertainment industry or politicians,fat cats...thats what this threads all about...keep the links coming ;)

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 13:21

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
my letter to jim'll fix it


Dear Jim

please could you fix it for me to have the British people wake up and see how rotten you and the entire system really is?

thanks chris S/J ;)

cashman 22-10-2012 13:44

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
So if yeh think its that bad, Emigrate.:rolleyes:

kestrelx 22-10-2012 13:58

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023875)
my letter to jim'll fix it


Dear Jim

please could you fix it for me to have the British people wake up and see how rotten you and the entire system really is?

thanks chris S/J ;)

Well yeh - if he's been getting away with that for so long what else have others in more protected circles been up to!? :rolleyes:

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 14:12

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1023884)
So if yeh think its that bad, Emigrate.:rolleyes:

No it's worldwide cash.... saudi prince's etc :rolleyes:

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 14:43

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
We are surrounded by Institutions of Abuse - YouTube

This guy seems to have sussed it

kestrelx 22-10-2012 15:49

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris SUI JURIS (Post 1023901)

This guy seems to have sussed it

I sssseee your Karma's gone down in the last 30mins - was it because you posted this I wonder? :rolleyes:

kestrelx 22-10-2012 15:53

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1023372)
"We must not always judge of the generality of the opinion by the noise of the acclamation"...same bloke ;)

4 people made complaints against Mr Savile in 2009 - but said they didn't want to take it to court, they only felt they wanted the Police to be aware of what Savile had done to them but they weren't prepared to stand up in court about it. Bang goes the theory that people are doing this just to cash in, in the Compensation courts.:cool:

cashman 22-10-2012 16:05

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1023919)
4 people made complaints against Mr Savile in 2009 - but said they didn't want to take it to court, they only felt they wanted the Police to be aware of what Savile had done to them but they weren't prepared to stand up in court about it. Bang goes the theory that people are doing this just to cash in, in the Compensation courts.:cool:

Some will no doubt be trying to cash in, Many will no doubt be genuine, aint hard to suss that much out.

Chris SUI JURIS 22-10-2012 16:20

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1023922)
Some will no doubt be trying to cash in, Many will no doubt be genuine, aint hard to suss that much out.

I think it's about 200 victims now...I bet if truth be known you could double that ;)

cashman 22-10-2012 17:54

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
Jimmy Savile's 1985 children's book on stranger danger*MSN News blog - MSN News Oh dear.:eek:

kestrelx 22-10-2012 18:12

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1023922)
Some will no doubt be trying to cash in, Many will no doubt be genuine, aint hard to suss that much out.

Well not according to some folks who've voiced their opinions over this matter.

MargaretR 23-10-2012 12:08

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
Peter Rippon was the man who had a rapid 'change of mind' which resulted in the Newsnight Saville programme not being shown last year.

Entwistle has just told the Commons Committee that he (Entwistle) did not instruct the programme to be abandoned.

Does this not make you wonder who did?
....and who has more control over him than his boss.

It looks suspiciously like he 'had an offer he couldn't refuse'

MargaretR 23-10-2012 12:40

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
1 Attachment(s)
PS... in case you don't know which of Savile's 'friends' would have such clout

http://swns.com/news/jimmy-savile-sc...l-oddie-26272/

cashman 23-10-2012 12:57

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 
Whats blindingly obvious is many people in the business were well aware of all this going on, Yet all of em put careers first n kept stum.:( Many seem to be using the excuse " I was only a junior" no-one would believe me against a star, Bull It tells me they have NO Conscience over a promising career.:(


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