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Its no surprise to be that cliff is being accused. I've never liked him, creepy dude he is
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Why is he creepy?
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Looks like cliffs back in Portugal
Cliff Richard back in Portugal after being quizzed by cops over child sex claims - Mirror Online Maybe he's innocent :eek:.... ....hmmm |
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... slander,defamation of character? Hmmm :) |
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....just wondering, If one is going to diagnose oneself with OCD how many times does one have to do it to be sure? ;) |
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as many times as possible :D
We are all somewhere on the Autistic spectrum. |
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I couldn't believe my eyes at first.
ROLF HARRIS-BEASTLY BEHAVIOUR- SIGNED-1ST-1997-HB-VG-CENTURY-RARE | eBay :eek: |
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i dont know who lord boothby is but if the krays had any idea he was a nonce cliff would have been wired to the mains not for sound iv read and laughed at the cliff richard pedo jokes and even posted a few myself.It may not be right but for the past 30 years that i can recall the british way has been for the press to decide guilt then make a 2 scentence appology on page 56 if they get it wrong. what dosnt do him any favours is that just like saville he has friends in high places and people can easily assume he could be easily protected by crooked mps and powerfull media people but.... assuming dosnt always come with proof i hope he isnt guilty but if hes found to be at some point i hope its done while hes alive and able to be punsihed |
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QUOTE=accyman "dont know who lord boothby is but if the krays had any idea he was a nonce cliff would have been wired to the mains not for sound"
You admit you don't know about Lord Boothby's notorious sexual deviances, and it seems you know little about the Kray twins also. Kray's deathbed secrets revealed | UK news | The Observer Robert Boothby, Baron Boothby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "In 1963 Boothby began an illicit affair with East End cat burglar Leslie Holt (d. 1979), a younger man he met at a gambling club. Holt introduced him to the gangster Ronald Kray, the younger Kray twin, who supplied Boothby with young men and arranged orgies in Cedra Court, receiving personal favours from Boothby in return" I recall those times when practicing homosexuality was illegal, and many men were blackmailed as a result. |
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The Krays courted celebrities for prestige, but it does not then follow that those celebrities were homosexuals or paedophiles.
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Are you slipping into the mephitic swamp? |
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I suppose, I wondered what value (if any) remained in the work of person who painted the queen and had even managed to win over Thatcher with that ghastly song Two Little Boys (I am gutted that my Rolf Harris calendar isn't worth the paper it's printed on though ;)) . |
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Yucky yuk !:eek:
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people would give tehir left nut for hitlers ball which i fiind counter productive |
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BBC News - Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds Don't you think that anything is possible! |
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Savile intimated several times about the Police being involved and saving his backside he also said he was the connection between royalty and the people :eek:....What did he mean by that statement? Hmmm :( Riddled with corruption imo, sadly, when there's the slightest hint that corruption might be exposed......its time for the paper shredders to go into overdrive and get the legal whitewash out :( |
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Westminster paedophile ring claims: '20 top figures involved'
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/chi...#ixzz3CGmlnEc6 They always seem to use the word "historical", Implying it only went on in the past......What about what's going on today? Are they going to wait 40+ years so that the abuses of today can be labelled "historical"? :rolleyes: |
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PCC Shaun Wright resigns over Rotherham child abuse scandal - BBC News |
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Thats a thing we both agree on.
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I'd be interested to see who the Rotheram underage girls were sold for sex to in Rotherham. You can bet your bottom dollar that the client list will make interesting reading (Police, Council folk, Politicians). I heard that many of these girls were already prostitutes before they got in with this evil sex ring. Sad. Very sad :( |
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'I assume' Please come back with some facts. |
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I am sure their families would be pleased to hear of your pronouncements. And if this were all true, then Shaun Wright need not have resigned. You really do need to make your mind up which side of the fence you want to be on. |
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Shaun Wright was arrogant in his resignation speech. He made it sound as if he was resigning not because he had made a dogs breakfast of the job of safeguarding youngsters, but because the publicity about him was distracting from the job of keeping children safe.
Bleeding arrogant article. I hope his right ear falls off into his left pocket. |
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Less, I don't quite know why you should think that I am not able to evaluate posts and those who post them.
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Of course you can, it's just that you always bend over backwards to give a Dick a second, third even fourth chance. (I must be up close to infinity), sometimes though, giving up on polite and telling them the truth works so much better. Unfortunately I've been too tolerant, no longer with, (name and shame), Accyexplorer and d the p. I'll make an exception for Mags, she can't help reading things she shouldn't be allowed to worry her. The reason? Neither wish to contribute anything useful to the site, they call everyone, never think about others. Having said that I like dthep the most, he doesn't backtrack once he has you in his sites he doesn't creepily backtrack. He just hates. |
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Sorry about the choking Less......I never meant harm.
Yes, you are right. I like to give people a second, third or fifty third chance. Mainly because people have given me chances. We have all been crazy at times and posted things, which on reflection, perhaps we could have considered more, and posted better. I thought I was fairly honest in my posts, though I do try to be polite, or courteous. I think I have told it like it is for both of the posters you name. I am not here to be nasty.....(please do not construe this as an allegation that you are). You tell it like it is in your own way. I do the same...just because the glove is velvet does not mean the fingers underneath are not steel. |
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Idiot explorer has liked your post. Now I have no real objection to that, I liked it as well, but how can he like it when he claims to have put me on ignore? Surely he should see what you were answering to be able to get the full details to help him 'like' your post? Or is he assuming again and stating a like without any real information as to why he's liking it. Nah, thinking about it he's probably just sucking up. |
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Less, it maybe he just likes a different bit of my post.
When giving a 'like' it is hard to let the poster which bit of the post that chimed with your own feelings. It maybe that you both liked the post, but for different reasons......maybe he likes the sound of the velvet glove. :) Oh, and Cashy has taught me a very valuable lesson. That is, 'no matter how bad things seem......look for the positive' .......and my own current mantra is:- be kinder than you have to be. |
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I'm sorry to hear that. |
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Also, you can tell the rejected chuckle brother I can see his posts but I choose to ignore them.....ooooops No need I'm sure he'll read this ;) |
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That won't go on for long, you'll do a U turn somewhere soon. |
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Another one I use is :- there might be sugar on the pill, but there is strong medicine under it....and medicine never tastes good. |
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Dave Lee Travis Found Guilty of assault
Ex-DJ Dave Lee Travis found guilty of indecent assault - BBC News To be honest I can't see him getting long (if any prison) for what he's been found guilty of. Even though imo no matter how close you are to someone no body has the right to put their hands on you against your will, especially putting their hands up your jumper etc.....dirty beast :( |
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....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwNcNOTVzY The DLT incident was 19 years ago. It was a grope,not that it makes it ok but, Why didn't she complain at the time? kerrrrrching :rolleyes: |
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According to the Daily Telegraph AccyX she did complain.
"Despite being in shock over what had just happened, the young woman, who had just graduated from university realised she had to tell someone about what had just happened and went straight to her boss, Peter Kessler, a BBC producer and blurted out: “'Oh my God, Dave Lee Travis just grabbed my ****.” She explained: "I just remember being in a bit of a flap, not knowing what to do ... It was just the most weird, surreal thing. I was mildly hysterical, it was wildly, definitely the weirdest thing that has happened in my life. “One moment I was smoking a cigarette and the next thing he was sexually assaulting me.” Perhaps fearing for her future career, or perhaps too shocked and embarrassed about what had happened the young woman decided not take the matter any further with the police or senior BBC executives. She decided to put the matter behind her and as the years went by she realised her dream and began to forge her own successful career in the entertainment industry." It was then that her anger over the incident began to build and it started to bother her that she had not pursued the matter at the time. She said: “For years I didn't talk about it to anyone, if his name came up I would say 'oh he's a wrong 'un. But when I got to my 30s I began to think that was really out of order. “It wasn’t par for the course. I got cross that he had done it. What an awful thing to do to someone when they are trying to get on with their job.” Eventually in 2012 following the exposure of the Jimmy Savile scandal, she decided to open up to a male friend, who also worked in showbusiness. Despite having confided in friends about what had happened, it was not until Travis appeared in court charged with a string of other similar allegations that she plucked up the courage to go to the police." |
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Are you suggesting she alleged the incident to gain financially? If so then that is a bit low. 19 years ago or not it makes no difference. These people who feel, that because of their celebrity status, they can get away with groping young girls need to be given the strong message that it is wrong. It is almost as if you are saying that 19 years ago women were seen purely as sexual objects and it was something that came with the territory. In 1966 I was working in a mill....I was 19 years old and newly married......one of the men I worked alongside thought it was just fine to cop a feel of my bum......I just happened to have a spanner in my hand and he copped a feel of my spanner right across his knuckles. Needless to say he didn't come near my bum again and sported a very handsome purple bruise for a couple of weeks. I hope he explained it to his wife truthfully. Not everyone reacts to such incidents in the same way...maybe she thought it was her fault...quite a few victims do......maybe she was too embarrassed to admit what he had done. |
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I've just seen Travis's statement outside court. What an arrogant man he is. He has escaped a prison sentence, but still tries to make out he is hard done by.
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That is the real problem with this guy...it was his arrogance that got him into trouble and he has learned nothing....absolutely nothing.
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So he squeezed her ass, how many of the posters on here did it many, many years ago - how many of us would be on the Sex Offenders Register now - and I could include a couple or so females in that group.
Yes things do stick in minds - the first time something happened somewhere quiet, on a number of occasions when the girl took the lead. Do chaps now start accusing girls of leading them astray? Where is this all going to end, and how many should be judged in the light of the time that they occurred. I just feel that there has to be a line drawn somewhere |
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He "goosed" someone, he didn't systematically rape kids like others in this thread. I dare say a lot of men of a certain age group have goosed a woman at one time or another.It should have been dealt with at the time, a swift smack around the chops would have sufficed since she didn't have a spanner to hand. I'm just unsure if being dragged through two court cases and losing your house in the process is proportional punishment for once groping someone's boobs etc. |
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Yes, he as you say 'goosed' someone.
You say that as if it is acceptable behaviour.....as if it was acceptable back then, more than it is today. It is never acceptable for a mant o foist unwanted attentions on a young woman. I wonder what your reaction would be if this girl had been your daughter, or your wife. Would you want such behaviour to be seen as acceptable? And who is to say that this was not a preliminary to something more sinister. As for him losing his house and his job......well everything we do has a price.....that is the price he has had to pay. It has not taught him any humility....he is still an arrogant individual who seems to think he has done nothing wrong. |
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If his indecent assaults had been exposed at the time they occurred, he would not have been allowed to continue in the job which provided him with wealth. so his move to a much smaller home now is not really a loss - more like a restoration to how things should have been for quite a time.
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Today girls go out and get into drinking competitions....are found in the gutter half senseless through drink and covered in vomit. What a picture that paints. It still doesn't mean that they should be taken advantage of.....does it? Girls think that this is the way to have fun. In my book it isn't...but then I am not of this era. I guess that it is most men's fantasy to be groped by some nubile young lady.....after all that would be a preliminary to getting above 'the laughing band' Some may not be aware what that means, but I think you will know what I am talking about as it would be your era(and mine too). Back then, I would have found it unacceptable to have any man touch me inappropriately(and I have given you an example of my reaction to such an event). It was no more acceptable then than it is now.....the difference in this situation was that this creep thought he could get away with it because he was a DJ on national TV and radio....he saw himself as being above being reported....that girls would be delighted to have his attention. He was wrong then and is still wrong now. |
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Do you have any idea of the ages of the jury members? Do you know the actual composition of the jury? Did you listen to the evidence? Have you read a transcript of the proceedings? How do you know what particular aspects of the evidence influenced their decision? |
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The case was mainly based on hearsay which is pretty worrying for British justice.I can remember in my late teens and early twenties when I had a physique, women (particularly older women) touching me up at work for a laugh and it didn't leave me with mental issues :D.... I wonder how many of them have a large bank account....hmmm
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2)No 3)Only the gender. 4)No 5)No 6)I don't. google "jury of ones peers" for more info. |
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This young woman was trying to get herself a career in radio and TV.....she reported the incident and it was brushed aside. She has not sought financial gain from this case. The fact that you were touched by older women.....and that it did you no harm is neither here nor there, and has little bearing on the case in question. It is almost as if you are excusing the gross behaviour of this creep. |
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I feel sure that if Jason had a daughter who came home from work and reported that some creep had had his hands all over her, he would feel murderous towards him.
According to what the young woman reported, this was not just a'goosing'(a term that is used to minimise the impact of the abuse...to almost excuse it).but this creep had his hands all over her. Another young woman also had a similar experience with this man.....she was a reporter and was sitting in the public gallery at the court case and DLT asked her to move because her gaze was making him feel uncomfortable. The reporter declined to give evidence as it would have meant that she could not write about it. |
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He Hee, Asia's not so bad like that, in fact for all the bad press that Thailand gets the Thai moral code is quite strict. A friend of mine went to a local village meeting where one Thai fella, a bit worse for wear after imbibing on the local rice wine, had a bit of a feel of my mate's Thai wife's bum. My mate and his wife were down at the local police station making a formal complaint the morning after and this Thai guy received a visit from the police. Shortly after he was round at my mate's house . He had a big bunch of flowers for her, he went down on his knees and and begged for forgiveness. He was then told to put 10,000 Baht on the table and leave (About 170 quid, a lot of money for a Thai villager). The alternative, was to face a Thai court with probably a short prison sentence. Now then, lets talk about personal experiences. A few years ago, when I lived in Madagascar, I was in the town disco in Diego Suarez. I popped into the gents for a quick Jimmy Riddle. As I was getting my little brother out, a hand came round and actually held him for me, when I finished, the hand gave him a little shake and returned him to his enclave. I turned and saw this gorgeous Polynesian looking goddess. She explained , in perfect French, that competition for white mails in Madagascar was fierce, and this was her way of inviting me for a dance. I wonder what Accrington magistrates court would have made of that one????????
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I'm not trying to justify his actions (he's still a sex pest in my eyes),I just wonder if he hadn't been a celebrity and was joe soap,just a bloke in the office would they even have investigated it?
Men and women shouldn't feel they are free to grope another person. I feel the time and effort that's gone into this case may have been better spent with some of the more serious cases. I have the impression that having failed on the more serious charges they were determined to get DLT on something. I wonder how many other folk (men and women) in this country should be on a suspended sentence? Did the judge take into account the fact that the woman involved has used the incident in her stand up routine? Hmmm Should folk grope other folk? No. Should the punishment take account of the effect of the incident on the 'victim'? Yes |
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I can answer that one for you.
If he had been another Joe soap, the incident would not have been brushed aside. He would have been disciplined by his employers. But as he was seen as some kind of media personality, and she was just getting started on her career, nothing was done for 19 years. As for the time and effort going into something more serious........if this was a female relative of yours, it would be serious. You would be wanting this man to get his just desserts.......as it is and because of the time that has elapsed you see it as something that is of little consequence. As to your last mention of the person using it in her stand up comedy routine.......well, sometimes to cope with bad situations laughter is used to take the sting out of it(I know this to be true, because having worked in situations which have been unpleasant.....black humour has helped not exactly normalise, but to make things more acceptable......not that I am saying any kind of sexual abuse is acceptable). This man is a sexual predator......and he doesn't like people knowing that. He tried to call the victims liars and fantasists....he wasn't doing anything wrong in his eyes, he still thinks he wasn't doing anything wrong and that should tell you he would do it again. He has learned nothing. He should have gone to jail. |
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I was once in a bar in Pattaya,sat avin a beer with mi chum,
When this beautiful young Asian lady, came over and felt at mi bum, Buy me a drink will you mister, she whispered so sweet in mi ear, I simply just couldn't resist her, I think t'was the effects of the beer, We sat and we chatted for hours, till she asked me would I walk her home, when I noticed a bulge in her panties, it looked like two nuts and a bone, The moral of this little story, is plain for you all to observe, If you stray from the path straight and narrow, yer gonna get what you deserve. |
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I think that is called 'natural justice'.
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Being a gluten for punishment, I (mistakenly) asked Mrs explorer what she thought about sexual harassment/abuse as I jokingly pinched her bum (whilst allegedly "smiling") wrong move if ever I made one.
"I find it highly offensive that you can make light of such a subject" was her reply....I wasn't expecting that :eek: She went on to tell me about a guy she use to work with who held a very high position in the company. She said he always made snide/horrid comments when she walked past his office like "why don't you come in here and sit on my lap" Or "you look gorgeous today love, you have amazing legs". She said at first she brushed it off but she eventually became tired of it because it was happening daily.She even said she had to walk a different way in a bid to avoid him. Apparently, he was well known for being like that but nobody said anything because of his rank in the company. She went on to tell me how depressed this eventually made her and how she had to quit a well paid job leaving her in financial difficulty for a number of months...... .....Accyexplorer wonders how much it's going to cost to get back in the good books :o |
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The harm is long lasting and affect both mental and physical well being. As for your last question.......well, only you know your wife(or thought you did). |
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Why did you eat them? And five of them? Consequences, a salutary lesson in consequences! |
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and I had you pegged as a kumquat sorta' guy !!! ;) |
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You have eyes, a nose and a mouth.......you look at something......if it looks alright, you smell it...... if it smells alright then you can try putting it in your mouth....but for goodness sake, if it tastes bad you don't swallow...you spit.
The above rules only apply to food. Being inebriated is no excuse for anything. As for Kumquats...they are quite pleasant...a bit like a tiny oval orange and you eat the whole lot...skin and flesh. |
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Drink is the feeble excuse i used many times when younger.:D
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I have never been so drunk that I didn't know what I was doing(I must not have tried hard enough).
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Looks like cliffs had enough of Britain and is selling up.
Cliff Richard selling £3million penthouse after it was 'violated' by police raid - Mirror Online DLT's sentence is to be reviewed after complaints it was too lenient. Dave Lee Travis sentence to be reviewed - BBC News |
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