Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

What about your words on another thread, Innocent till proved guilty?

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

NOT JUST BLAIR marg...the BBC have been covering up his antics for yrs ;)

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Anyone got any hard proof......... Not websites, real evidence.

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Sui juris = 'of one’s own laws'
...I think we have a Freeman on the Land follower.

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yeah sounds like accychris

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yes folk are suppose to be innocent till proven (not that thats the case in most court cases). unless numerous victim allegations are made against the same offender then it should be innocent till proven.but my opinion is that theres no smoke without fire in this case.....(just my opinion) not saying its right :)

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

I could reply to that, but.....I cannot be bothered.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Try this.........

Janet Street Porter heard about Jimmy Savile abuse claims - IV Drip - Voices - The Independent

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Think you may well have something there Restless, ya can change a name but thats all, as Bee has found out on a few occasions

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Well maybe if these people had come out of the woodwork 5 years ago, then maybe we would have got some answers, now its at best hearsay or at worst fabrication

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Its worse than a circus, Yes, I could consider young ladies of a certain age 'offering' themselves to a celebrity...

It happens, that does not mean it has happened in this case, if it has I repeat, he has/would/ upset me, all men try not to give way to their basic instincts, women also try their best not to give in to their oh so basic interest, populate the world as soon as puberty hits in.

Bad karma coming my way, what the hey, you silly folk deserve it more than I do!

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Heard rumors.
That would not stand up in court.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Well Janet Street Porter did mention she was left at a hairdressers by her mother when she was about 12 and the man groped her breasts. When she told her mother she was slapped and that is what put her off complaining!

Also if you were in a job and you'd think twice about complaining if the person you complained about was very powerful and could end your career.

Yes he is dead but if you had been abused you'd be aware how bad it makes you feel and that telling someone can help.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

So why wait 30 years to tell some body

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Why stick it to Jimmy Savile then? Why would a bunch of people suddenly decide to start telling lies and some have remained annonymous when nothing to gain from that! :(

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

So why do loads confess to murder then? nothing to gain, they get little or no publicity, only in there own minds, My point is theres no real stand up evidence at this point.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Is it the same thing? Who told you 40 people admit to each murder? Don't they get done for wasting Police time?

The Police are going to assess the complaints to see whether to take it further. Surely any liars will be in trouble if their claims do not stand up to scrutiny and being in the right place at the right time.:rolleyes:

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I did not say each murder,i said High profile uns, Which i read in a True Detective Mag or summat of that nature, and No generally they do not get done, They write em off as nutters, wrong to me they should be done.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

In an earlier post I mentioned taking things out of context...

perfect example watch 26.00 to 26.30 in this link

The Big Fat Quiz of the Year 2011 - YouTube

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Thing is though yeh need a sense of humour to appreciate it.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

I think that is David Walliams half way between being one of his charcters from Little Britain he's joking. I've already said this - Savile is clearly heard supporting Gary Glitter which says a lot, it's not a joke.

Also in the the film "Withnail and I" as they are driving along in a car one of the characters shouts out at school girls suggesting he's interested in underage girls...there seems to be a streak in the film world indicating an undercurrent of this kind of activity! For example Bill Wyman got away with it with Mandy Smith who was underage; 13 when she started seeing him.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

i'm sure the truth (proof) will come out in the wash ;)

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She relates how she got a slap off her mother when she told her that a male hairdresser she was left with, groped her breasts aged 12!

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Yes you have,
Lord Longford was well known for trying to assist the moors murderers, that doesn't make him a child murderer.
I couldn't understand Longford's support of them, I can't understand Saville's support for GG, but that does not make him guilty.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

I very much doubt it, one persons word does not mean its true, also it does not mean it is not true.
Unfortunately as the man is dead there cannot be any trial to determine the truth.
What has annoyed and is still annoying me is this, there are too many of my fellow posters on here who have decided he is guilty, based on Media reports and a television program. I thought we were better than that.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

No we aren't, and I dropped a stitch on my knitting while watching this unrevealing thread, speed up the tumbrels the blade on Madame guillotine is getting rusty from lack of use.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Its called a nice little earner or my 15 mintues of fame and no chance of a libel case;)

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Mmm but Lord Longford didn't say killing some kids was OK - he was just trying to help her - because he believed she was mislead by Brady and he got his fingers burned as Hindley used him.

Savile said that what Glitter did wasn't really a crime and it was only for him and that was OK! This is supporting a paedophile's actions - Longford didn't support Hindleys actions, there is a big difference, I think.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Sorry I must have missed it, when did he say that?
(Easy for me to miss this kind of thing I don't go looking for it, unlike some).

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

There was an interview in which Jimmy Savile said Glitter was only using the pictures for his own use etc etc etc so it wasn 't like a big deal.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

link Please, otherwise your hearsay.

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Didn't you watch the program about Sir Savile? It was played on that show and it was clearly him talking.

Here is a link to an article about it.

Sir Jimmy Savile: paedophile Gary Glitter 'did nothing wrong' | News | 1 | The Week UK

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Thank you for the link and by the way no I didn't watch the prog', I didn't know it was mandatory? I watch the haunted fish tank in hopes of enjoyment not to gloat about the worlds nasty bits.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

I'm so sick of some of the people coming out of the woodwork with facile stories...now it's Liz Kershaw who's saying she was groped on air in the 80's.

Now I could be really crass here and say, they were probably groping for their guide dog, because she could never be described as one of your average stunners.

Instead I'll say that times were less PC than now, there was a certain acceptability about horseplay between males and females in a more innocent age. One dinner time in the 70's I witnessed a bunch of mature women from Highams grabbing a young lad in the Woodnook pub, they debagged him and covered him in lipstick, rouge and whatever else women have in their handbags.

There was no way that this event could be described as sexual, perverted or weird, it was just a few girls having a laugh, likewise I'm guessing that whoever 'groped' Ms Kershaw was attempting to put her off and make her screw up on air.. i.e. having a laugh, horseplay.

Nowadays these things are frowned on, some are even classed as a health and safety risk and many companies have policies forbidding horseplay and of course employment law forbids sexual harassment both real and perceived.

Today those Highams machinists would be fired and on the front page of the redtops, the young lad would be claiming stress and trauma using 'accident at work r us' lawyers. His mum and dad would be serialised in the Sunday rags. 20 more people would claim that the Woodnook was a hotbed of girl gangs and a no go area for any decent male. Thwaites brewery would be dragged into it, and all other Thwaites pubs would be investigated, a similar instance would be found etc..etc..etc..

Don't get me wrong. I'm not making excuses for Jimmy Savile, I'm just appalled at the media witchunt, the bandwagon jumpers and the lack of context for many of the headlines.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

That sums things up very well to me, Wrong without question these days, back then twas par fer the course.

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I don't think any of us that are capable of thinking for themselves are happy with the witch hunt, yes, he may be guilty, we don't know, I'll always think of him as an eccentric, but charitable guy, until someone proves different. does that make me a pervert? A child molester?
No, I'm just someone that if it proves to be the case with Jim I'll have been let down again.
:mad:

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DJ Mark Radcliffe calls TV the "Idiot Box!" :D:D:D Anyway don't you want to know facts - not cheap escapism? It wasn't mandatory just I thought you may watch it instead of asking me questions about issues that were covered on the program.:rolleyes:

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

so does Stephen King.

What is your opinion. Do you think Savile is a saint or an evil peado?

I don't see the point in this debate continuing over and over. It can't be proven now without hard evidence. DNA, Videotapes, Audio. Whatever!

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Gotta remember he was 40 in 1966 and presenting Top of the Pops - in this day and age no way would a 40 year old be allowed to present a pop program. So he was effectively an old man at the peak of his career in today's terms.

Also he peroxided his hair, it's not that blonde color naturally is it.

Personally I think he's very dodgy...

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Gotta remember that the majority of TV presenters in 1966 were around 40. The only TV for kids was watch with mother and crackerjack, which was presented by Eamonn Andrews who was 44 at the time..different time..different criteria...context..context..context!!!

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

What a load of kestrelx!

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Back in 1971 a pretty dancer who always danced on Top of the Pops comitted suicide and left a diary saying she had been used for sex by several DJ's. Her claims were never even investigated by the Police.

But it begs the question was Savile part of a ring within the BBC - which could explain why no body blew the whistle earlier on.

Claire McAlpine: A 15-year-old who killed herself after leaving a diary naming DJs as abusers. Disturbing questions about John Peel. So how many starts WERE involved? | Mail Online

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Apparently the charity's using his name are going to change them, in the light of these allegations.

Jimmy Savile charitable trusts to drop his name and give money to abuse victims - Telegraph

And on the outcome of the Police investigation, perhaps he may lose his honours!? :rolleyes:

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

I see the Sun newspaper has decided Sir Jim is guilty....
Why bother with due process and investigations, lets go straight to sentencing.
After all the Sun has NEVER lied has it....:(

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Would you rather this came out after his death. Or it come out before and the guy be publicly humiliated in the last years of his life?

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Before of course so he could be taken through the justice system and punished if guilty.

The BBC appear to think he is guilty - why else would they issue an apology?

Your post sounds like you think its better now when he can't be held accountable for his actions.

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My question is posed at the people who are upset that people are coming out with this stuff. From the perspective of someone who doesn't believe it and is a big fan of his - it's better he died before it came out.

That's the point; of course I think they should have come out while he was still alive.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

The fact they didn't come out before his death, puts doubt on the credibility to me, The Sun n other papers will run with guilty cos it sells papers, as we have seen before, I am not sure one way or other of his guilt, What really makes me laugh though, is some on here who really slag the media,seem to think they tell the truth this time, Ironic or what?:rolleyes:

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

I'm with you Neil...and of course saying 'sorry' for someone elses misdeeds is so comforting...not to those who need the comfort, but for those saying sorry.
Somehow the word 'Sorry' has been devalued because of this trend(maybe the 'Blame and Claim' brigade have something to do with it)...or I am I on my own in this respect.

The man is dead...they can strip of his honour...he won't be bothered......and if there is any true judgement then I am sure he will have been judged already...by his maker.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

People did complain before he died actually - he was questioned under caution about complaints by a girl at a home and also about the Jersey home incidents but there was insufficient evidence apparently.

Also last year just after he died (but have been being planned before he died) a Newsnight program containing 8 people claiming allegations, was shelved by the BBC last December!

Jimmy Savile: Questions about why BBC dropped Newsnight investigation - Telegraph

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Whenever I see any news report my 'credibility scale' kicks in.

It can be illustrated as being from 1 - 10
1 = I accept it as true----------------- 10 = it must be lies.

In between there are various shades of half truths.

Where you decide on the scale is always subjective and should not be fixed. Your opinion can change as more info comes your way.

At present my view on this Jammy Saville topic is that we are being told half truths.
Whether you consider half truths as deception in another form, is dependent on how flexible your opinion can be.

I don't regard it as healthy to have perception fixed at any point on the scale.

In the past I have pointed out when lies have been so blatantly exposed that #10 has been the only conceivable option.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ies-48617.html


PS some people opt out of forming any opinion because they aren't interested, and find it more comfortable being that way

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Not seeing sufficient evidence that would stand up in a court of law, is not in my opinion opting out,its pretty logical to me, but some folk deal more towards conspiricy.:p

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I just watched the documentary shown about the positive side of his life before all this came out. Pan's People didn't have a bad word to say about him - non of them (the 3 that were interviewed) told of being gropped or being man-handled!:confused:

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I don't recall any of Pans People being under age 16.

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I'm amazed that people are still daft enough to come on here and defend the late Yorkshire paedo on the basis that guilt can not be proven in a court of law. I suppose on the same basis Adolf Hitler was not guilty of any crimes in his period as fuhrer.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Feeling duped is so uncomfortable that some prefer to deny they were.

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Not defending or duped, just not seen much in the way of evidence.
If the police findings are that he would have a case to answer for, then I will happily go along with it.

It saddens me to see so many on here, most of whom I thought to be independent thinkers, to follow the herd and decide a man is guilty based on some two bit documentary and the tabloid newspapers. I for one have never or given the Sun and never will for Hillsborough and people believe the c@@p they write....

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Just came across this article that claims a woman went to the Police in 2008 about an incident with Savile back in the early 70's! But she stipulated she didn't want to take it forward.

BBC News - Jimmy Savile: Sussex police confirm 2008 assault claim

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

He said that he'd never been to the Jersey home under investigation then later said he had when a photo was produced of him at the home.

He said he didn't know a girl who commited suicide in the early 70's after claiming she was sexually used by DJ's. The girl was 15 and was a regular dancer on TOTP's and there is a photo of him next to her.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

Things are interesting on this side of the Pennines. Last week local BBC were reporting on the documentary with near outrage on behalf of the late "Sir Jimmy" today Harry Gration is referring to the deceased DJ as simply "Savile". It seems that the deluge of accusations has tipped even his close media friends (the hideous Christa Ackroyd) into a situation where they are distancing themselves from him.
There have always been rumours about his activities in this part of the world (I live about a mile from Roundhay Park) but I suspect that some of the claims now being made may be due to a Persistence of Memory issue as I find myself looking at footage of the guy with increasing distrust and dismay. A doctor acquaintance was struck off for misconduct after the boys in blue managed to find enough women to complain about his gynaecological technique going back some 30 years. Like some of you are wondering now, I wondered then why no-one had thought to make a complaint previous to the investigation. Unlike with Sir J., the complainants made some financial claims as well.
Real victims should be able to offload their genuine accusations in order to get that all important "closure" I guess, but like by-gone occupants of countries in the now defunct eastern bloc, I suspect that some are joining the queue to denounce because it's there.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

At last ! one mainstream newspaper has mentioned Jersey.

Jimmy Savile linked with Haut de la Garenne children's home scandal | Media | guardian.co.uk

The reporting has been sidetracked into reports of gropes of mature women at the BBC - a diversion of your attention from the main problem -pedophilia.

Jersey rules itself and polices itself. This provides it with the ability to provide tax avoidance, but also provides a haven for sex offenders.

PS Jersey is the place where coconuts contain mammalian collagen:rolleyes:

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

yeh it also says there was not enough to even question him, so what exactly is yer implication?

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

The enquiry into the pedophilia at the Jersey childrens home revealed facts that were suppressed -
ie. there was a cover up.

Saville was a 'bit player', but I hope that revelations about his part in it may cause a re-opening of that enquiry. It will be a difficult thing to do because Jersey is self governing and many of the 'governors' have a vested interest in keeping it under wraps.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

How do you know he was a bit player? With the evidence so far we are no nearer to finding him to have been a 'bit player' or the 'Mr. Big'.
:confused:

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

As a 'bit player', he abused, but didn't likely murder, children.

Here are some of the many links available. If you are interested enough to ask, maybe you will be interested enough to read them.

Lenny Harper: Jimmy Savile was implicated in Haut de la Garenne children's home scandal | Mail Online

Jersey Abuse Case Exposes Vast Conspiracy -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net

voiceforchildren: Exclusive Footage of "Eddie" Cadaver Dog at HDLG.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

No link with proof he didn't murder though in among that lot, where did you read that?

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No allegation of murder has been made by any witness or victim of Saville

JERSEY ISLAND OF SECRETS(Short edited version) - YouTube!

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Jimmy Savile referred to himself as the Godfather - this is taken from article in the paper:
Sir Jimmy Savile obituary | Media | The Guardian

What hairy things did he do that could get him 10 years inside? Seems we are just beginning to find out what.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Jimmy Savilles family have had his headstone removed from his grave, it is to have the wording removed then broken up an used for landfill.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Even his family think he is guilty

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

So can we have the RIP Jimmy Saville thread removed please?

I didn't post in it but some who did may now be embarrassed by it.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

So why should it be removed? if anyones embarrassed let them ask.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Well do you know, I find it embarrassing, why?

We used to sit there with our kids, he used to do good deed's make dreams come true.

If he is guilty then the people that covered it up are far more guilty.

I still want to think of him as strange but generous. Any cover up of any deed he did, surely needs exposure not of any act's by him but those that covered up those acts!

Surely they can't all be dead?
:(

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Which forum is it in? I can't even see it so - out of sight out of mind IMOP! Might as well leave it.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

In general chat -
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...lle-59699.html

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Typical of yeh these days.:rolleyes:

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

It's a shame you can't see the deleted comments in that thread - Groove was right about something for once even if he was only trying to cause trouble.

This is his deleted comment:

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

He was an idiot in a way - making stupid noises and so on, but that was viewed as entertainment.

I saw abuse in Accrington back in the 70's but I think perhaps then in the 60's and 70's it was more acceptable in society but now it's not. For example back in those times didn't people used to pinch womens rears and it was accepted? Ok that's not rape but it's still something that was done then but now would bring heavy consequences.

Not that I'm condoning abuse in any form - but things have changed.

Maybe Savile thought that because he did good things for charity and thought that because of that he was entitled to do what it's alleged he did.

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(now then, now then hows about that then) i've found the thread at last :)
nonce or witch hunt? i'd have to say nonce
The Jimmy Savile case of child abuse isn't proven yet,but on this1 i'd say there's no smoke without fire and it wouldnt suprise me if the BBC covered up his alledged crimes (just my opinion)

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I cannot for the life of me, understand why nurses appear to have been complicit in these alleged abuse cases.
If I had seen what some nurses are alleged to have seen, I would have been collecting evidence and ringing the police myself. Blow the fact that he was a fundraiser.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

You didn't find it before because KestrelX spelled Saville as Savile.

If you are websearching the topic you will also find it under - Sa-VILE on some forums:D

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

What ever it's not nice to see someone ripped to pieces like this. I mean today they said on the news that he gropped a girl who'd just had an operation while she was lying on a stretcher! I mean whether he did it or not - it's horid thing to say. Why didn't they complain before? They even said nurses told children to "pretend to be asleep!" when he was there in order not to be groped.

Jimmy Savile: What Stoke Mandeville nurses told the patients when Jim'll Fix It star came calling | Mail Online

Why say this now and not back then?:confused:

To have your grave stone taken down and broken into pieces even before a trial? I'd have thought they'd have kept it in storage until after an investigation!

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Some were believed BUT -
Saville knew of, and likely supplied, underage victims to people who had the power to suppress it.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

The correct spelling is Savile not Saville. And that's all I wish to say on the subject.

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

I THINK The corruption and filth goes all the way to the top ( LABOUR 25 etc) Dont rely on the police/media to get to the truth as I THINK we know a swift bung and eyes are wide shut :rolleyes:

re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

The pedophile scandal in Belgium -
Belgium Pedophilia Scandal /Did Authorities Cover Up Its Scope? - Book Revives Fear of Grand Conspiracy - NYTimes.com

"there was considerable official interest in laying the blame for the pedophile scandal that exploded in 1996 entirely on Marc Dutroux, a convicted rapist and child abductor, who faces charges of kidnapping six young girls and murdering four of them. To admit otherwise, the authors argue, would have allowed the affair to threaten the stability of the nation "

It looks as though Saville is the 'fall guy' in UK, just as Marc Dutroux was in Belgium.

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Savile: covered up?
 

I doubt that you are capable to think, I do however presume you have your own evil thoughts and you suppress them by moving your own fantasies onto others.
Anyone else noticed how nut jobs always highlight stuff with their brightest crayons?

O'er Doctor pass me some more tablets!
:D

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Savile: covered up?
 

you really have got issues with me hav'nt you less?....try a chill pill or 10 :rolleyes:

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

I saw a documentary on that, 2 girls went missing and were locked up in this guys basement he had a torture dungeon in there. Policeman were standing in there and they heard one of the kids cough. The head copper dismissed it as coming from outside and no search was made. Both girls were sexually abused and murdered because the head policeman did this - the girls could have been saved!!! There was massive demonstrations about this case in the street - it's obvious the copper was involved.

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville
 

It can only be a matter of time before Boris Johnson's mum comes forward and tells us that she was raped by Jimmy Saville.

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

I once described the Saville 'revelations' as the tip of the iceburg - it seems rapid melt is underway:rolleyes:

‘I Ran the Gauntlet of Pedophiles in the Entertainment Industry’ says Former Child Actor | Sovereign Independent UK

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

There was a retired copper on the BBC 10 o'clock news who said in the 70's a nurse told him about Savile's alleged activities of groping at Stoke Mandeville Hospital. He told his superiors but what he said was totally ignored.:confused:

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

To consider this just a BBC, hospitals, prisons problem is to have blinkers on.

If you read that link I gave you will read this -

"During the show’s ‘Cash for Questions’ investigation , the first politician who I met was then DTI Chairman, Sir Michael Grylls, who invited me to tea in the House of Commons “tea room” and spent the meeting attempting make body contact with me under the table. After that, I was sent to a political lobbyist named Ian Greer who tried to rub his genitalia against me while he hugged me. On one separate occasion, I was summoned Ian Greer’s offices where Ken Clarke was also present. Greer gave me a two glasses of whiskey and was acting a little, lets say, “over-familiar”. Ken Clarke and Ian Greer were well aware of my age – because I told them. Now, I’m not suggesting that either Sir Michael Grylls, Ian Greer or Ken Clarke are pedophiles, however, but it’s not over-the-top to describe what transpired as questionable behaviour towards a minor – by anyone’s standards – let alone the standards expected from our public officials and government inner circle members."

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Another person labelled as a nutter on this forum, spoke up about Jimmy Saville several years ago.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

If people cant see this blatant cover up then they must have brain issues... Must be the flouride + Mobile Radiation :D

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Sorry I didn't realise it was compulsory and that I would be tested on it afterwards! :rolleyes:

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Why do yeh not think he is a nutter?

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

I don't know him, and even if I did, I am reluctant to attach such a label to anyone.

I do think that he is able to speak out when others don't, purely because he was publicly ridiculed.

Terry Wogan did him a favour - after such public humiliation he no longer cares about public opinion and so 'says it as he sees it' (just as you do:D)

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

It seems that people who are in the public eye(those who see themselves as celebs - whether that be media star or political personalities) think they can do anything......that they do not have to abide by the rules of common decency, that they can flout the law without any fear of being found out or, for that matter, brought to book.

I cannot understand why a policeman, and a nurse(who witnessed a sick child being molested) did not make much more of an issue about the goings on they had witnessed. I'm sure the red top papers would have had a field day with this information.

Re: Allegations about Jimmy Saville: covered up?
 

Oh theres nowt wrong wi that, Its whats actually said that makes the nutter.:D