Legalise "Illegal" Drugs? - Page 50

MargaretR · 22-02-2012, 20:00

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Originally Posted by katex

I suspect this was Tiotropium (one trade name of Spiriva).
Usually taken by patients with COPD for breathing problems. Obviously, a wise decision by the doctor as you appear to have this type of problem.

I cannot find any side effects as you describe on the internet... most reactions are mild with, of course, the usual, very rare ones.

It's your decision of course ....we have discussed many times ...always the risk value here.

Just keep well anyway ... x

I first read of this increased risk in a research report done in India. Our medics are now aware of it as shown here
COPD Mist Inhaler That Delivers Tiotropium Linked To Higher Death Risk

When my doc prescribed it following an xray he said the I had 'early signs of mid lung thickening'.
He qualified that by adding that it is not normally prescribed until the condition is worse than mine.
He said he would prescribe it for me because I do use any NHS prescribed meds.
He regretted not being able to compensate me for the loads of money I spend on Vitamin B12 lozenges and the nutrition therapy which I use to relieve my fatigue (and it works!), so he thought he was doing me favour by slowing the progression of COPD.

I choose to die of 'shortage of breath' eventually (doesn't everybody?

) rather than heart disease and stroke - my choice.

annesingleton · 22-02-2012, 20:16

[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;971923]The drug that this guy took was Mephedrone.......also known as 'Bubble'...and you are right it is a common type of plant feed.

Mephedrone has been made illegal. It was classified as a class B drug in 2010.

katex · 22-02-2012, 20:16

As stated before in previous discussions,we can all find one report that shows bad adverse reactions to drugs ....ignoring all the majority that recognise the more qualified ones that do not agree. You choose to believe the minority.

The only way you can slow the process in COPD is to stop smoking. Yes, have experience. Think we will finish up next to each other in a care home on oxygen cylinders .... could put Jaysay in the middle. LOL. On second thoughts he will probably beg for Euthanasia...

MargaretR · 22-02-2012, 20:18

It is not an 'adverse reaction' it is increased risk - there is a difference

MargaretR · 22-02-2012, 20:39

PS I don't know where you get the idea that this risk is 'minority opinion'
Here it is again
Inhaled Anticholinergics and Risk of Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients With Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, September 24, 2008, Singh et al. 300 (12): 1439 ? JAMA

davemac · 22-02-2012, 20:41

[quote=annesingleton;972001]

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The drug that this guy took was Mephedrone.......also known as 'Bubble'...and you are right it is a common type of plant feed.

Mephedrone has been made illegal. It was classified as a class B drug in 2010.

I have to correct a misconception about mephedrone, it never was, and is not a plant feed. It was labeled as such in order to import and distribute the substance when it was classed as a "legal high" the label has stuck. It is still marketed as a plant food but is also on the same website as marijuana and hemp seeds so you can understand the association has been made. I think saying it is a plant feed somehow makes it sound safe, how can something that feeds plant cause harm, but it does.
If you talk to the people who deal with mephedrone consumption and addiction(and I have)they will tell you that what I say is correct.

kestrelx · 22-02-2012, 21:04

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Recreational drugs are nothing like tea and coffee. Most of us won't do something we later regret, as a result of drinking tea or coffee.
You won't go and mug someone to get a fix of tea or coffee.
Taking painkillers is something that most of us have to do at some point in our lives.....but again we won't carry out some felony in order to get our paracetamol.

I think it is sad that some people cannot have what they consider to be an enjoyable life without the aid of recreational drugs.

Some people will go on from recreational drug use to addiction, their lives will be ruined....and what is more, they will ruin the lives of the people who love them.

Well Margaret according to this page there are 500 Paracetomol related deaths in England and Wales per year...

http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org.../27/1/19.short

There are probably less than 30 deaths linked to MDMA or Ecstasy - which in many cases today is not MDMA but cut with other more harmful drugs for reasons relating to the fact it is illegal!

Also people do become alcoholics and can attack and kill relatives, rob relatives and that is with a legal drug - alcohol. Gambling is legal and likewise people do crimes to support gambling habits.

kestrelx · 22-02-2012, 21:08

[quote=davemac;972010]

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Originally Posted by annesingleton

I have to correct a misconception about mephedrone, it never was, and is not a plant feed. It was labeled as such in order to import and distribute the substance when it was classed as a "legal high" the label has stuck. It is still marketed as a plant food but is also on the same website as marijuana and hemp seeds so you can understand the association has been made. I think saying it is a plant feed somehow makes it sound safe, how can something that feeds plant cause harm, but it does.
If you talk to the people who deal with mephedrone consumption and addiction(and I have)they will tell you that what I say is correct.

Yes you are right - mephedrone was called plant food as it was an easy way to sell it without attracting attention - bit like an in joke!

It is actually a synthesis of the natural drug in Khat - a plant chewed in certain parts of Africa that gives the user a buzz a bit like speed and is legal in the UK and used by locals.

cashman · 22-02-2012, 21:10

Yeh but those 500 deaths a year, aint many of em took to get high, What a daft comparison.

Still expect nowt else.

kestrelx · 22-02-2012, 21:14

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Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh but those 500 deaths a year, aint many of em took to get high, What a daft comparison.

Still expect nowt else.

Not you again

It doesn't matter whether what purpose it's for - it's still 500 deaths over 30! I think the issue you have is that you don't like the fact of someone taking a drug for recreational purposes! YET THOUSDANDS OF PEOPLE TAKE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS OUT OF HABIT AND A LOT ARE ADDICTED - society lets that go and pharmacutical companies are making Billions out of it!

If I want to take a drug currently illegal - I should be allowed to! What politician has the moral right to stop me?

cashman · 22-02-2012, 21:22

I don't like the fact people take recreational drugs? I really don't give a toss who takes what, in fact i'd be very happy if you Overdosed.

kestrelx · 22-02-2012, 21:26

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Originally Posted by katex

As stated before in previous discussions,we can all find one report that shows bad adverse reactions to drugs ....ignoring all the majority that recognise the more qualified ones that do not agree. You choose to believe the minority.

The only way you can slow the process in COPD is to stop smoking. Yes, have experience. Think we will finish up next to each other in a care home on oxygen cylinders .... could put Jaysay in the middle. LOL. On second thoughts he will probably beg for Euthanasia...

It's got a lot to do with the Media printing stories with wrong information about drugs - namely the Sun! If anyone dies they blame Ecstasy and blow it all out of proportion - that gives the morons something to get excited about! So you ARE right on that one Kate x!

Professor Nutt was trying to get the facts out and the Government don't want the facts they just want to tell us - all illegal drugs are totally destructive and they will remain illegal when alcohol related problems costs the tax payer over 3 BILLION! per annum

I tell you if sex wasn't part of our bodies some Politicians would have it made Illegal! No Joke!

mobertol · 22-02-2012, 21:36

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

I tell you if sex wasn't part of our bodies some Politicians would have it made Illegal! No Joke!

Heard the other day that some American woman from the anti- sorry -"American accent"- "An-tie"-abortion league was trying to outlaw "self-pleasuring" don't want to risk a ticking off by writing the "M" word and offending.

Now that is wrong -perfectly natural...

Am off for another cup of English-breakfast - 5 mins brewing time - nice and strong! My only drug...

Can't live without it...

kestrelx · 22-02-2012, 21:43

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Originally Posted by mobertol

Heard the other day that some American woman from the anti- sorry -"American accent"- "An-tie"-abortion league was trying to outlaw "self-pleasuring" don't want to risk a ticking off by writing the "M" word and offending.

Now that is wrong -perfectly natural...

Am off for another cup of English-breakfast - 5 mins brewing time - nice and strong! My only drug...

Can't live without it...

Well look at all the murders that are done by people over the issue of "sex!" so that is harm to life!

Jealousy over sex, and plain old psycho paths! Politicians like to regulate everything if they can.

Less · 22-02-2012, 23:31

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Well look at all the murders that are done by people over the issue of "sex!" so that is harm to life!

Jealousy over sex, and plain old psycho paths! Politicians like to regulate everything if they can.

So, you are now trying to change this to a:-

The Government want to control everything thread.

I think we can therfore conclude that your addled brain, has at last realised you don't know what you are talking about concerning 'illegal drugs', but you would rather try to smoke screen us than grow up and admit you talk rubbish.