Legalise "Illegal" Drugs?

[tommiasfc]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

That's right Tommiasfc you sussed them out, this is Garinda's Modus Operandi! Playing mind games to try and beat down the argument and undermine the facts!

I asked a genuine question and i got called and arse among people assuming i take drugs when asked i said i don't take drugs but then got told to go 'skin up' i only reacted after trying to be nice and ignoring insults on many occasions. Most other forums people are quite happy to help you but not here there seems to very some kind of accy web mafia were if you dare question one you get pushed out by many.

All i wanted to no is if in peoples experiences they had seen addicts of hard drugs that started on soft drugs and it progressed to a sad wasted life. Do they not think they would have started with alcohol then went to soft drugs. So why arnt they calling for alcohol to be banned alongside drugs? Its a genuine question for people that have had experience with addicts.

[***Mr D***]

Originally Posted by tommiasfc

Most other forums people are quite happy to help you but not here there seems to very some kind of accy web mafia were if you dare question one you get pushed out by many.

Now your asking for trouble.

[tommiasfc]

Originally Posted by ***Mr D***

Now your asking for trouble.

I've never known out like it. It was as if i said so you think alcohol is ok why not all drugs but yesterday i thought id try have a decent discussion and raise a point of alcohol being a starter for soft drugs. But instead got called names. Im experienced enough to no that when people don't have a good answer and are struggling they turn on the aggression. Its like they are school children. But still if someone has an answer id like to hear it.

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by tommiasfc

I've never known out like it. It was as if i said so you think alcohol is ok why not all drugs but yesterday i thought id try have a decent discussion and raise a point of alcohol being a starter for soft drugs. But instead got called names. Im experienced enough to no that when people don't have a good answer and are struggling they turn on the aggression. Its like they are school children. But still if someone has an answer id like to hear it.

In this day and age with kids drinking in parks and so on - I'd think that alcohol would be a starter maybe for smoking cannabis and then maybe other drugs. Because the gang that would hang around drinking in parks, would have access to drugs and there fore smoke cannabis etc. I have heard reports on the TV from different people saying that the price of alcohol abuse is anything from about 5 to 55 Billion Pounds per year!

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Typical of you mate! You ignore what I'm saying and twist it to make it into a negative statement! Thickk or what - how come a Doctor is able to do a responsible job - contrary to what you think!

I'd prefer it if you remembered I'm not your mate- that could never be.

I was merely suggesting, in a gentle and non-judgemental way, that it may have been unwise of you to post on an open forum that your GP had indulged in illegal drugs! Many on here may know you(especially on seeing your rather fetching self portrait, shame you forgot to get dressed) and may therefore know(and share) your GP.
Imagine his joy when a patient walks in and says 'Peace man.kestrelx says you do spliffs and mushrooms! How about it?'
As for your GP being 'able to do a responsible job'-he's not doing too well with you, is he?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by tommiasfc

All i wanted to no is if in peoples experiences they had seen addicts of hard drugs that started on soft drugs and it progressed to a sad wasted life. Do they not think they would have started with alcohol then went to soft drugs. So why arnt they calling for alcohol to be banned alongside drugs? Its a genuine question for people that have had experience with addicts.

I had withdrawn from this thread feeling that it was going round in non-productive circles, but I feel that having worked in the NHS for 30 years I do have something to add, in answer to your question.

Yes, I have seen addicts who started out on the so-called soft drugs go on and become addicted to other substances(heroin, cocaine, etc).

Most drunks are just that, drunks.....I cannot recall anyone who progressed to drugs via the alcohol route...although there were some addicts who were also drunks.

I think that if alcohol was being brought out today, as a recreational substance, then there would be moves to ban it....but the government gets much revenue from it sale and use...like with tobacco....so feel that it is unlikely to provoke the same kind of response as a thread to legalise illegal drugs.

Some people are unfortunate enough to have addictive personalities, and can become addicted to anything......from coffee to coca cola.

I have made my stance quite clear in earlier posts about my feelings of legalising illegal drugs......you legalise cannabis...next you legalise heroin, crack cocaine...where do you draw the line?

Whatever you say, unless these drugs(once legal) are being given to the user free,(and I can't see that happening...can you?) there is always going to be a black market in the stuff so you won't remove the dealers, the criminals, the gang culture......all the bad stuff that goes with the use of drugs....and there will still be those unfortunates whose lives are wrecked because of their drug use....families ripped apart. Drug use is not glamourous. Film stars, pop stars who use drugs to enhance their so called creativity are running exactly the same risks as the lesser mortals you could meet at the local chemist, getting their hit of Methadone.....the difference is, they are in the position of checking themselves into rehab when the highs get too scary.

I am sure if these drugs that are labelled 'recreational' were legalised, then the government would slap a tax on them...and folk would go back to their dealers.

This is definitely my last post on this subject...I won't be answering any more questions.

I hope those of you out there who use recreational drugs, live long enough to perhaps need the drugs to keep your heart ticking or your kidneys functioning(these drugs aren't fun...and like all drugs including recreational ones , can have nasty side effects), but my guess is, that you won't!

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

I'd prefer it if you remembered I'm not your mate- that could never be.

I was merely suggesting, in a gentle and non-judgemental way, that it may have been unwise of you to post on an open forum that your GP had indulged in illegal drugs! Many on here may know you(especially on seeing your rather fetching self portrait, shame you forgot to get dressed) and may therefore know(and share) your GP.
Imagine his joy when a patient walks in and says 'Peace man.kestrelx says you do spliffs and mushrooms! How about it?'
As for your GP being 'able to do a responsible job'-he's not doing too well with you, is he?

Oooops some personal attacks in there Gordon - maybe you should read the rules! Probably a large percentage of such people (more than anyone can know) have also partaken of drugs, back in the day! Proving that "some" drugs arn't as damaging as a lot of people here are making out!

As for your comments on "Doing a responsible job" again personal attacks against my health which are based on subjective judgements!

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Oooops some personal attacks in there Gordon -

Really? I can't see any.
Next time you're with your GP( having a cosy chat about your mutual experiences?) ask him if he can recommend a treatment for paranoia and can he suggest a good course on Anger Management.

[Wrighty]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

What I said; The Beatles "Revolver" and "Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club!" The Doors, Jimi Hendrix "Are you Experienced!" Pink Floyd, Beach Boys and all psychedelic music from about 65 onwards! Not only the music but pioneered sound recording, multi-tracking and sound production techniques!

Psychedelic Fungi and Its Impact on Art

Dude i totally agree with ya 100% , some of the best bands & musicians have produced quality tunes while under the influence of drugs .. soz for any confusion

[tommiasfc]

Margaret pilkington thank you very much and i agree with you about if alcohol was a modern day substance it would have a movement to get it banned. But when i was a 16 year old drinking on the streets / top of coppice the were quite often weed smokers around now i never tried it at such a young age but ill admit i have tried it but my friends would then a few of them would actually go out to smoke weed not drink. Are these cases of alcohol leading onto drugs or just a case of being a teen?

[Wrighty]

Out of all the illegal drugs , Marijuana should be legal .... CLEAR: Cannabis Law Reform

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by tommiasfc

Margaret R thank you very much and i agree with you about if alcohol was a modern day substance it would have a movement to get it banned.

I don't recall saying that.
Looking back a few posts it seems Margaret Pilkington did.

[tommiasfc]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I don't recall saying that.
Looking back a few posts it seems Margaret Pilkington did.

Sorry on the phone and must have forgot

[cashman]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I don't recall saying that.
Looking back a few posts it seems Margaret Pilkington did.

Fortunately thats only minimal damage Margaret.

[annesingleton]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

People keep posting comments about me so I will reply - when they stop I stop!

That's quite a childish comment to make!
I have also posted the rest of this on the porn discussion in the TV section, as the two threads seem to be merging into one.
You appear to be getting extremely frustrated and wound up by the comments being made to you, yet you continue to respond. Surely you realise that people have the right to their own opinions whether they are founded on sound knowledge or research or simply based on their own values and beliefs. Nothing you say is likely to change their views and opinions so it is pointless trying to do so, or trying to appear clever by your apparently web based knowledge.
As for people apparently being rude to you, I must say that I have been extremely shocked to read some of the personal attacks you have made in particular on the legalising drugs thread (I refer especially to a comment you made to Garinda which I personally found to be particularly offensive.)
My point is that if you don't like what is being said to you or if you just cannot tolerate other peoples views then don't try to antagonise people and just stop posting. Otherwise, try a bit of tolerance!