Omg ott! DNA for dogs - Page 10

PM01 · 24-03-2012, 00:23

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Originally Posted by mobertol

To keep them going you don't just need the "Poop" that has been scooped. They end up having to top them up with high quality maize which is at a premium and it just isn't financially viable. As an alternative, in N. Europe they mince up the remains of animals that die on farms and feed that in ...not a nice reality and will probably have the animal rights folk up in arms -but that is he reality of this particular science. The digesters cost millions to set up (many of which come from EU grants to agriculture) and run so ...at the end of the day they are not a viable "ecological" option for now at least.

What's the process of a methane digester? Does it work anything like a gasification plant?

davemac · 24-03-2012, 09:50

Its on the front page of the Lancs Evening Telegraph today(so it must be true) under the heading "Name and Shame" irresponsible dog owners will have their photo taken(in Blackburn) and the photo posted on lampposts. I think this is possible a step to far and sound to me that this issue is taking on monster proportions.
I know that this is a problem as some owners will not pick up after their dogs, but I think that the legislation exists already to prosecute these owners. Lets focus on enforcement rather than having people hide in the bushes with cameras wearing night vision goggles, this action could be misconstrued.

Plus all it will mean is that people will be going out in disguise, I myself will have to put on my false beard, whilst wearing a frock with a clog and a pump on my feet,................................. again.

garinda · 24-03-2012, 09:55

Will humans, who plop in public places, have their dog's photograph displayed on lamp-posts, to shame their pooches?

jaysay · 24-03-2012, 10:06

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Originally Posted by davemac

Its on the front page of the Lancs Evening Telegraph today(so it must be true) under the heading "Name and Shame" irresponsible dog owners will have their photo taken(in Blackburn) and the photo posted on lampposts. I think this is possible a step to far and sound to me that this issue is taking on monster proportions.
I know that this is a problem as some owners will not pick up after their dogs, but I think that the legislation exists already to prosecute these owners. Lets focus on enforcement rather than having people hide in the bushes with cameras wearing night vision goggles, this action could be misconstrued.

Plus all it will mean is that people will be going out in disguise, I myself will have to put on my false beard, whilst wearing a frock with a clog and a pump on my feet,................................. again.

Naming and Shaming is a better idea than DNA, these people will cringe at the thought of being named and shamed

susie123 · 24-03-2012, 10:42

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Originally Posted by PM01

What's the process of a methane digester? Does it work anything like a gasification plant?

Anaerobic digestion and gasification are both ways of turning biomass into renewable energy. In the former, the biodegradable waste material is broken down by micro organisms in the absence of oxygen, the end result being mainly methane which can be used as a fuel.

In gasification the biomass is heated to high temperatures with a controlled amount of oxygen to produce a mixture of hydrogen and other gases which again can be used as a fuel. It was the process used in the early gasworks until they were superseded by the use of natural gas whose formula is more akin to the product of an anaerobic digester, being mainly methane.

Here ends today's chemistry lesson!

DaveinGermany · 24-03-2012, 11:08

From dog turd to higher Chemistry ! See, Accy web, a font of all knowledge & not just idle chit chat & blather.

susie123 · 24-03-2012, 11:25

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

From dog turd to higher Chemistry ! See, Accy web, a font of all knowledge & not just idle chit chat & blather.

Makes a change from balls, Dave, whether of the canine or footie variety...

davemac · 24-03-2012, 12:09

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Originally Posted by susie123

Anaerobic digestion and gasification are both ways of turning biomass into renewable energy. In the former, the biodegradable waste material is broken down by micro organisms in the absence of oxygen, the end result being mainly methane which can be used as a fuel.

In gasification the biomass is heated to high temperatures with a controlled amount of oxygen to produce a mixture of hydrogen and other gases which again can be used as a fuel. It was the process used in the early gasworks until they were superseded by the use of natural gas whose formula is more akin to the product of an anaerobic digester, being mainly methane.

Here ends today's chemistry lesson!

I have an anaerobic digester at the moment, she is sat on the settee, and I can confirm that the gas given off could power a small village

susie123 · 24-03-2012, 12:12

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Originally Posted by davemac

I have an anaerobic digester at the moment, she is sat on the settee, and I can confirm that the gas given off could power a small village

That's no way to talk about your better half Dave!

davemac · 24-03-2012, 12:17

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Naming and Shaming is a better idea than DNA, these people will cringe at the thought of being named and shamed

Jay
Enforcement should be enough, if we cant manage with the legislation as it is, then why collect the evidence and compile a database, or snoop about taking photos, we wont be able to enforce that either.

Lets have a license for dogs collected locally to be used to enforce the current laws, and the fines then put in the pot as well. This would incentivise the council as the more efficient they are the more cash is available

davemac · 24-03-2012, 12:21

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Originally Posted by susie123

That's no way to talk about your better half Dave!

Sue,
You will notice I was very careful with my typing, I didnt actualy say it was my wife, it could have been my girlfriend

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Just dont show her this, or I will be in deap doodoo, and there we have it we are back on thread again

susie123 · 24-03-2012, 12:26

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Originally Posted by davemac

Sue,
You will notice I was very careful with my typing, I didnt actualy say it was my wife, it could have been my girlfriend

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Just dont show her this, or I will be in deap doodoo, and there we have it we are back on thread again

Actually I thought you were referring to your dog... canine variety

davemac · 24-03-2012, 12:43

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Originally Posted by susie123

Actually I thought you were referring to your dog... canine variety

No, its definitely my wife, well I think thats were the smell is coming from, there is also the possibility that its me

maxthecollie · 24-03-2012, 13:18

Dog Licences will not be enforcible as there will always be owners who will not bother . That type of owner would not bother if anything happened to their dogs

jaysay · 24-03-2012, 13:56

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Originally Posted by davemac

Jay
Enforcement should be enough, if we cant manage with the legislation as it is, then why collect the evidence and compile a database, or snoop about taking photos, we wont be able to enforce that either.

Lets have a license for dogs collected locally to be used to enforce the current laws, and the fines then put in the pot as well. This would incentivise the council as the more efficient they are the more cash is available

Err um I thought that was more or less what I was saying Dave, the legislation is in place to deal with these people no need to go OTT