All The Best To You Graham

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Just like Christianity is a religion of peace and compassion..

Lets ignore inquisitions, slavery and the morally corrupt religious leaders of past and present.

The thing is that is in the past as far as the west in concerned. It's time for the Middle East to leave the middle ages and join the 21st century.

Originally Posted by Guinness

What Israel is doing in Gaza is just plain wrong...what ISIS are doing is also plain wrong..both on humanitarian grounds NOT religious!

What about what Gaza is doing, indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel? Is that ok with you?

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Neil

The thing is that is in the past as far as the west in concerned. It's time for the Middle East to leave the middle ages and join the 21st century.

Maybe you should read the post you selectively quote from..almost sure I said something about education being the answer, using ourselves climbing out of the morass of historical cockups as an example....you got any better ideas to get the middle east to leave the dark ages?

Originally Posted by Neil

What about what Gaza is doing, indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel? Is that ok with you?

Nope....where did I say or intimate otherwise?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Nope....where did I say or intimate otherwise?

You didn't, you just didn't mention what they are doing as being wrong like so many others who appear to not want to say the Palestinians are also in the wrong. I'm with Eric one this one, Israel is protecting itself against Gaza. Israel have the bigger stick so are getting more worldwide abuse for it.

[westendlass]

I think Israel have the technology to knock out the missiles before they hit their towns and cities which makes it appear that they are just blasting away at Gaza without justification. Just because Israel appears largely untouched doesn't mean that the Palestinians are not firing at them indiscriminately (which I believe they are). If they (Israel) are being attacked they are going to defend themselves.

[Neil]

I doubt they can, they are not guided missiles like you may think, they are like big firework rockets with explosives in them. The set them off and the rocket goes where it wants and they have little control as to where it lands apart from where they roughly point it as you can see in this picture I posted before

[Neil]

I have just changed my mind after some googling, they have a system explained on wiki here Iron Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ANd some info about some of the Hamas rockets which explains about there use to attack civilians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

[Eric]

Originally Posted by westendlass

If they (Israel) are being attacked they are going to defend themselves.

And the Yanks .... they are not under direct attack, yet their drones have been active in Pakistan. And if there is another 9-11, just watch the ordnance fly. The Israelis respond to being attacked in a way that other democracies wish they could. No whining ... no appeals to the International Community ... just scramble the jets and take care of business.

Sure, innocents die ... Dresden ... Hiroshima ... Leningrad ... Nanking ... too many to mention. That's what happens in wars. Just about every country has blood on its hands. And it's unfair to target the Israelis for doing what every nation would do, given enough provocation. Unfortunately, anti-semitism is alive and well in the world. And the Jews have learned to depend on themselves. I'm still kinda proud that my country supports them.

[westendlass]

My son was over in Israel doing some filming for work in April and stopped for a while with a couple who live there. They explained how life has been over the years and, even then they could hear explosions in Syria. I don't think most of us here could possibly understand how the people who live in that part of the Middle East go about their daily lives let alone their politics but I think I'd take a lot of the newspapers reports with a large pinch of salt. The press can be very one sided.

[Margaret Pilkington]

when 'news' like the Cliff Richard thing breaks.......I always wonder what bit of bad news we(the public) are being diverted from looking closely at.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

when 'news' like the Cliff Richard thing breaks.......I always wonder what bit of bad news we(the public) are being diverted from looking closely at.

well its taken the public eye away from the perverts and pedos at westminster that were been talked about only a couple of weeks ago in all the papers

did all those signatures from the MPs not wanting pedophiles in westminster past or present not come to anything?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

when 'news' like the Cliff Richard thing breaks.......I always wonder what bit of bad news we(the public) are being diverted from looking closely at.

Theres usually summat, thats fer sure. Perhaps its the fact pensioners are going to be screwed, despite Camerons pre election promise?

[Eric]

Seems like your PM is starting to take Islamic extremists seriously. And threatening preemptive military action. Wow! At least the Israelis wait until they are attacked before they retaliate.

Islamic extremists will haunt Britain if not stopped: David Cameron - The Economic Times

Graham, what's your take on this?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Eric

Seems like your PM is starting to take Islamic extremists seriously. And threatening preemptive military action. Wow! At least the Israelis wait until they are attacked before they retaliate.

[url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/islamic-extremists-will-haunt-britain-if-not-stopped-david-cameron/articleshow/40347506.cms]Islamic extremists will haunt Britain if not stopped: David Cameron - The Economic Times[/url

Well its ok, the pensioners can pay fer it.

[Margaret Pilkington]

We already have the Islamic extremists....they are subverting the young Muslim men into leaving their families and fighting on foreign soil.....believing that it is what is laid down in their religion.
These young men believe that it is their duty to behead and desecrate the bodies of those who are non believers....that they should massacre whole communities.

All this is done in the name of their religion.
It is not about religion. It is about exerting power.
It is about barbaric seventh century practices.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

We already have the Islamic extremists....they are subverting the young Muslim men into leaving their families and fighting on foreign soil.....believing that it is what is laid down in their religion.
These young men believe that it is their duty to behead and desecrate the bodies of those who are non believers....that they should massacre whole communities.

All this is done in the name of their religion.
It is not about religion. It is about exerting power.
It is about barbaric seventh century practices.

And that will always be the case, unless the elders speak out fer all peaceful Muslims (Of which there are many) in a way that everyone will be aware, sadly this don't seem to be the case,Integration aint very high on the list in my view.