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garinda 20-02-2009 22:56
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683395)
Cheers for that.:)
Although unless I'm really dim, and looking in the wrong plac on the website, it doesn't have anything about where H.B.C.'s share is allocated.

It just gives an example of what share of the tax as a whole they get from a band D property.

How Council Tax is spent - About how Council Tax is spent

cashman 20-02-2009 22:59
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would the percentage not be the same fer all bands?:confused:

garinda 20-02-2009 23:03
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 683400)
would the percentage not be the same fer all bands?:confused:
Yes, but what I want to see is a breakdown of what the council allocate to each area that needs funding from H.B.C.'s shares, pensions for example.

I also want to know why a Chief Executive's job, for example, should warrant a different salary depending which borough employs him?

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 23:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683401)
Yes, but what I want to see is a breakdown of what the council allocate to each area that needs funding from H.B.C.'s shares, pensions for example.

I also want to know why a Chief Executive's job, for example, should warrant a different salary depending which borough employs him?
Is that not an equailty issue for the same post this is interesting to me.

cashman 20-02-2009 23:17
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683405)
Is that not an equailty issue for the same post this is interesting to me.
me also, am thinking would depend on what area, as in cost of living etc etc.

garinda 20-02-2009 23:17
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683405)
Is that not an equailty issue for the same post this is interesting to me.
Probably.

There doesn't seem much transparency apparent as to where the council's share of the tax goes, unless I'm being really daft and not looking in the right place.

You'd think if it was going to be sent out with the bills, the information could just as easily be posted on their website as well.

Bernard Dawson 20-02-2009 23:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683401)
Yes, but what I want to see is a breakdown of what the council allocate to each area that needs funding from H.B.C.'s shares, pensions for example.

I also want to know why a Chief Executive's job, for example, should warrant a different salary depending which borough employs him?
Sorry about that, but it really ought be on the councils website. I'll look into it, but I can't think why information like that isn't on the website.

The point about Chief Executives salary,the bigger the authority the bigger the salary. Hyndburn over the years has struggled to keep its top officers. We just can't compete with much bigger authorities.

garinda 20-02-2009 23:22
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If you Google 'how council tax is spent', right under the link for H.B.C. which I posted, is this site. Which makes interesting reading.

25% of council tax spent on pensions | This is Money

I want to know what percentage is spent on pensions, amongst other thigs.

garinda 20-02-2009 23:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 683410)
Sorry about that, but it really ought be on the councils website. I'll look into it, but I can't think why information like that isn't on the website.

The point about Chief Executives salary,the bigger the authority the bigger the salary. Hyndburn over the years has struggled to keep its top officers. We just can't compete with much bigger authorities.
Ok, that I can understand. Different sized boroughs will mean differing pay scales because there's more work involved. Makes sense.

Thanks.

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 23:27
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 683407)
me also, am thinking would depend on what area, as in cost of living etc etc.
Wnen i compare other occupations where they reside dosent come into it only i guess London were its taken into account.

Eric 20-02-2009 23:28
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 683349)
it did,didn't it?:rofl38::rofl38:
Ok ... next's round's:drunk: on me;) And you're the one on the right:D

claytonender 20-02-2009 23:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683401)
Yes, but what I want to see is a breakdown of what the council allocate to each area that needs funding from H.B.C.'s shares, pensions for example.

I also want to know why a Chief Executive's job, for example, should warrant a different salary depending which borough employs him?
I don't know whether this information will be of any help - but it is the report to Cabinet that shows the Financial postion as at the end of December 2008 for Revenue spending. (A report is produced every month at each Cabinet meeting)

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...Monitoring.pdf

There is also an appendix to the report which is a table showing spending for YTD (and for the current month - which was month 9 of the fiscal year December) and what had been budgeted (by department)
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...toring_app.pdf

garinda 20-02-2009 23:35
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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 683419)
I don't know whether this information will be of any help - but it is the report to Cabinet that shows the Financial postion as at the end of December 2008 for Revenue spending. (A report is produced every month at each Cabinet meeting)

http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...Monitoring.pdf

There is also an appendix to the report which is a table showing spending for YTD (and for the current month - which was month 9 of the fiscal year December) and what had been budgeted (by department)
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...toring_app.pdf
Thanks very much.

This is what I like in councillors, action.:)

Bernard Dawson 20-02-2009 23:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683412)
Ok, that I can understand. Different sized boroughs will mean differing pay scales because there's more work involved. Makes sense.

Thanks.
That's right, we're just a small local authority. The big unitary authorities such as Blackburn, also have education, social services , etc. So more responsibility,bigger workforce,and of course bigger budgets.

claytonender 20-02-2009 23:38
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Well this councillor is now sigining off as it is well past her bedtime.

Eric 20-02-2009 23:44
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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 683424)
Well this councillor is now sigining off as it is well past her bedtime.
C'mon it's only 7:30 pm:p;)

jaysay 21-02-2009 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 683410)
Sorry about that, but it really ought be on the councils website. I'll look into it, but I can't think why information like that isn't on the website.

The point about Chief Executives salary,the bigger the authority the bigger the salary. Hyndburn over the years has struggled to keep its top officers. We just can't compete with much bigger authorities.
And some of um we didn't want to keep anyway:D

Neil 21-02-2009 11:30
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 683146)
Rather than being an ideological debate forum, we have candidates who are on opposite cheeks of the same hairy ass.
So where does that put the independents?

jaysay 21-02-2009 13:55
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 683491)
So where does that put the independents?
in a bit of a hole Neil:D

garinda 21-02-2009 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 682896)
The amount of money he gets in expenses has nothing to do with subsistance. The issue for me is that he should not have to spend his own money when away on business. I don't and I don't think anyone should have to.
I said right at the begining of the 'Living off the fat of the land thread' that no one should be out of pocket whilst undergoing public duties.

The ironic thing is that thanks to Jaysay 'releasing' the information that Cllr. Britcliffe actually spent £12.30 on his evening meal whilst in London, that that would have been comfortably covered by the increases recommend by the independent body as an evening subsistance allowance.

Some councillors chose to ignore the independent recommendation, and more than doubled the old allowance.

If they'd have accepted the independent body's recommendation, which we now know thanks to Jaysay would have easily been sufficent, there would have been no headlines in the press, no outraged letters in the papers, and no threads relating to councillor's allowances and expenses on here.

Hell, there wouldn't even have been the quote from Cllr. Britcliffe, to write a guide book if anyone knows of anywhere in London blah, blah, blah.

:D

turkishdelight 21-02-2009 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683590)
I said right at the begining of the 'Living off the fat of the land thread' that no one should be out of pocket whilst undergoing public duties.

The ironic thing is that thanks to Jaysay 'releasing' the information that Cllr. Britcliffe actually spent £12.30 on his evening meal whilst in London, that that would have been comfortably covered by the increases recommend by the independent body as an evening subsistance allowance.

Some councillors chose to ignore the independent recommendation, and more than doubled the old allowance.

If they'd have accepted the independent body's recommendation, which we now know thanks to Jaysay would have easily been sufficent, there would have been no headlines in the press, no outraged letters in the papers, and no threads relating to councillor's allowances and expenses on here.

Hell, there wouldn't even have been the quote from Cllr. Britcliffe, to write a guide book if anyone knows of anywhere in London blah, blah, blah.

:D
Just out of interest how much is the allowance currently for an evening meal?

garinda 21-02-2009 16:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683597)
Just out of interest how much is the allowance currently for an evening meal?
It's reported the old level was 'just over £10', and is now £25.

I've no doubt that an increase was probably due, as the independent body also found. After all even with low inflation the price of everything else has also gone up too.

The problem came about when some councillors chose to ignore the independently arrived at limit, and set their own.

Which by any standard, especially in these financially challenging times, is a massive percentage increase.

I bet nurses, and lots of other important key workers, wish they too could vote to award themselves similar massive rises.

Council makes a meal of rises - News - Accrington Observer

turkishdelight 21-02-2009 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683607)
It's reported the old level was 'just over £10', and is now £25.

I've no doubt that an increase was probably due, as the independent body also found. After all even with low inflation the price of everything else has also gone up too.

The problem came about when some councillors chose to ignore the independently arrived at limit, and set their own.

Which by any standard, especially in these financially challenging times, is a massive percentage increase.

I bet nurses, and lots of other important key workers, wish they too could vote to award themselves similar massive rises.

Council makes a meal of rises - News - Accrington Observer
Thanks for you reply. I wanted to compare with what other indivduals i know receive for an evening meal allowance the figure is the same. I believe one should produce a receipts in relation to this.

claytonender 21-02-2009 17:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683597)
Just out of interest how much is the allowance currently for an evening meal?
Prior to the recent increase the allowance for an evening meal was £10.24.

This is a link to the member's allowances for Hyndburn Borough Councilllors - page 6 gives the rates meal allowances. (Incidentally page 8 gives the rate of Member's Allowances for the 2008 to 2009 municipal year.
http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...sScheme_1_.pdf

Royboy39 21-02-2009 19:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683590)
I said right at the begining of the 'Living off the fat of the land thread' that no one should be out of pocket whilst undergoing public duties.

The ironic thing is that thanks to Jaysay 'releasing' the information that Cllr. Britcliffe actually spent £12.30 on his evening meal whilst in London, that that would have been comfortably covered by the increases recommend by the independent body as an evening subsistance allowance.

Some councillors chose to ignore the independent recommendation, and more than doubled the old allowance.

If they'd have accepted the independent body's recommendation, which we now know thanks to Jaysay would have easily been sufficent, there would have been no headlines in the press, no outraged letters in the papers, and no threads relating to councillor's allowances and expenses on here.:D
And possibly no clocking up Air Miles (Post Count) in single posts as opposed to multiple quote posts....Andrew...show him how to do it will you? :)

garinda 21-02-2009 19:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 683630)
Prior to the recent increase the allowance for an evening meal was £10.24.
What was all that guff about from Cllr. Britcliffe about 'under' a tenner then, if that was the old allowance?

£10.24 would have purchased his mentioned hot dog and Coke, with enough change spare for Spotted Dick and custard.

turkishdelight 21-02-2009 19:10
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The booklet named vision that is delivered through individuals doors costs the Labour county council 350,ooo pounds. I ask the question could this money not be put to a better use? Is this not a waste of finances?

garinda 21-02-2009 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683646)
The booklet named vision that is delivered through individuals doors costs the Labour county council 350,ooo pounds. I ask the question could this money not be put to a better use? Is this not a waste of finances?
Perhaps your polling card, which clearly shows the ward you live in, got hidden in a copy of Vision.;)

garinda 21-02-2009 19:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683644)
And possibly no clocking up Air Miles (Post Count) in single posts as opposed to multiple quote posts....Andrew...show him how to do it will you? :)
Unlike you post, the post you quoted of mine, was relevant to the thread's subject.

Rather than posting silly remarks that have nothing to do with the issues being discussed, in threads that have a very real importance to people concerned with our local issues, perhaps you could look for an expat forum in your own locality, which might have some relevance to your own life, and stop you from trolling threads here.

Royboy39 21-02-2009 19:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683648)
Perhaps your polling card, which clearly shows the ward you live in, got hidden in a copy of Vision.;)
Garinda......Answer the Bl..dy question....You can fence all you like but you can't hide. ;)

Royboy39 21-02-2009 19:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683649)
Unlike you post, the post you quoted of mine, was relevant to the thread's subject.

Rather than posting silly remarks that have nothing to do with the issues being discussed, in threads that have a very real importance to people concerned with our local issues, perhaps you could look for an expat forum in your own locality, which might have some relevance to your own life, and stop you from trolling threads here.
Did your post asking Andrew to give his Mum advice on how to use the 'Quote Feature' have anything to do with the thread?
You are full of BS and self importance. :eek:

turkishdelight 21-02-2009 19:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683649)
Unlike you post, the post you quoted of mine, was relevant to the thread's subject.

Rather than posting silly remarks that have nothing to do with the issues being discussed, in threads that have a very real importance to people concerned with our local issues, perhaps you could look for an expat forum in your own locality, which might have some relevance to your own life, and stop you from trolling threads here.
I dont feel it was a silly remark just posed a straight forward question that could well be an important point to make as individuals are interacting about wasteing money i felt it was a valid point to make.

Royboy39 21-02-2009 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683644)
And possibly no clocking up Air Miles (Post Count) in single posts as opposed to multiple quote posts....Andrew...show him how to do it will you? :)
192 single posts in this thread...and counting.

Bagpuss 21-02-2009 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683649)
Rather than posting silly remarks that have nothing to do with the issues being discussed, in threads that have a very real importance to people concerned with our local issues, perhaps you could look for an expat forum in your own locality, which might have some relevance to your own life, and stop you from trolling threads here.
I agree this is a thread concerning local issues from Hyndburn, a place that wasn't good enough for you once so why do you feel we want your opinions?

Royboy39 21-02-2009 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 683687)
I agree this is a thread concerning local issues from Hyndburn, a place that wasn't good enough for you once so why do you feel we want your opinions?
Free forum....free expression....Have a daughter living in Clayton and paying all her taxes without help...I can come home anytime but choose not to at the moment...take it or leave it...If you consider that my input is irrelevant....ignore it. :rolleyes:

Bagpuss 21-02-2009 20:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683691)
If you consider that my input is irrelevant....ignore it. :rolleyes:
I certainly will on this thread unless you do come back and start paying your taxes (without any help) was that a dig at anyone?

Royboy39 21-02-2009 20:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 683695)
I certainly will on this thread unless you do come back and start paying your taxes (without any help) was that a dig at anyone?
No but in my long life I think I think that I have paid more tax than you ever will.

andrewb 21-02-2009 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 683695)
I certainly will on this thread unless you do come back and start paying your taxes (without any help) was that a dig at anyone?
Erm let me get this right. Royboy can't have an opinion because he doesn't pay council tax here anymore? Does this mean people who pay higher levels of council tax than you have more of an opinion? Shocking.

flashy 21-02-2009 21:00
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is this thread still going?

Royboy39 21-02-2009 21:08
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 683702)
is this thread still going?
Yes love.....no offence intended...lots more point scoring to be done.
Sit back have a smile and enjoy. ;)

turkishdelight 21-02-2009 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 683701)
Erm let me get this right. Royboy can't have an opinion because he doesn't pay council tax here anymore? Does this mean people who pay higher levels of council tax than you have more of an opinion? Shocking.
Well stated. A.B. As i am aware myself and it as been indicated on here you your self do not pay council tax.I will aslo become excempt from paying the council tax.Hope we can still have an opinion.:)

Eric 21-02-2009 22:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashy (Post 683702)
is this thread still going?
Only in the sense that it is like a chicken with its head cut off :eek:

But, as I am a Canadian, it's probably none of my business:D

shillelagh 21-02-2009 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683646)
The booklet named vision that is delivered through individuals doors costs the Labour county council 350,ooo pounds. I ask the question could this money not be put to a better use? Is this not a waste of finances?

As far as i know thats a county council item - i dont think theres any county councillors who are members on here and could answer that question.

My County Councillor Details

Theres a list of your county council members.

andrewb 21-02-2009 22:28
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I think she was asking peoples opinions not just councillors.

turkishdelight 21-02-2009 22:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 683728)
I think she was asking peoples opinions not just councillors.
Your assumption is correct. The matter was brought to my attention today by a member of the public. I thought wow thats a huge amount of money especially when individuals are concerned about wastage and how to use finances more appropiately which i agree with. It was suggested that concillors would not be able to respond to this question. So i will pose the question to another that will be able too.

garinda 21-02-2009 23:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683657)
I dont feel it was a silly remark just posed a straight forward question that could well be an important point to make as individuals are interacting about wasteing money i felt it was a valid point to make.
The silly remark was referring to Royboy, who I quoted in my reply, therefore hopefully making it clear to whom it was directed, and not anyone else.

His facetious comment about the number of posts people make is totally irrelevant to this thread.

I for one will continue to post if I think I have something worthwhile to add to a thead's subject.

Not all threads interest all people. There are sections on Accy Web that hold no allure for me, hence I neither read, nor post in them.

I can understand that threads dealing with issues local to Hyndburn might not hold much interest for those who don't live here. I have friends who live abroad, and I've joined forums where they live, and where I regularly visit. Some of their threads don't have any relevance to me, or offer me any interest.

Happily my life isn't so empty that I find myself posting in the very localised threads that hold no interest, in order to gain some perverse attention. I grew out of that childish stage not long after learning to walk, because I quickly realised it didn't produce many positive outcomes. Hopefully others might learn that too.

Could we please try and stay with the subject of the thread now, if there aren't going to be any more banal interuptions?

turkishdelight 21-02-2009 23:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683740)
The silly remark was referring to Royboy, who I quoted in my reply, therefore hopefully making it clear to whom it was directed, and not anyone else.

His facetious comment about the number of posts people make is totally irrelevant to this thread.

I for one will continue to post if I think I have something worthwhile to add to a thead's subject.

Not all threads interest all people. There are sections on Accy Web that hold no allure for me, hence I neither read, nor post in them.

I can understand that threads dealing with issues local to Hyndburn might not hold much interest for those who don't live here. I have friends who live abroad, and I've joined forums where they live, and where I regularly visit. Some of their threads don't have any relevance to me, or offer me any interest.

Happily my life isn't so empty that I find myself posting in the very localised threads that hold no interest, in order to gain some perverse attention. I grew out of that childish stage not long after learning to walk, because I quickly realised it didn't produce many positive outcomes. Hopefully others might learn that too.

Could we please try and stay with the subject of the thread now, if there aren't going to be any more banal interuptions?
Yes i realised it was not directed at me,must have been studying too long.:)

garinda 21-02-2009 23:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683653)
Did your post asking Andrew to give his Mum advice on how to use the 'Quote Feature' have anything to do with the thread?
You are full of BS and self importance. :eek:
(That remark was made because she was quoting people wrongly, being new I suppose. Therefore the quotes where shown attributed to the wrong person, and so were subsequent quotes, if they'd quoted her. A domino effect, that's easily avoided if someone shows you how to quote, hence the comment.);)


I notice that nothing of interest has been posted yet, regarding the information that was requested under the Freedom of Information Act.(?)

Rather disappointing considering all the work it probably entailed for some poor person at the council.

Eric 21-02-2009 23:46
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I think the subject of the thread has mutated into something quite different ... or if "mutated" is not the right word, "deteriorated" might do. Like the war aims of the Great Powers in WW l, they changed radically once battle was joined.

garinda 21-02-2009 23:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 683743)
I think the subject of the thread has mutated into something quite different ... or if "mutated" is not the right word, "deteriorated" might do. Like the war aims of the Great Powers in WW l, they changed radically once battle was joined.
...and yet those who neither care or are interested in the price of hot dog purchased in Piccadilly Circus, keep reading and posting in it.:rolleyes:

Odd really, that there's so little else of interest.:rolleyes:

:D

Eric 22-02-2009 01:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683745)
...and yet those who neither care or are interested in the price of hot dog purchased in Piccadilly Circus, keep reading and posting in it.:rolleyes:

Odd really, that there's so little else of interest.:rolleyes:

:D
But there is never anything worth watching on tv:D I never bought a hot dog in Piccadilly Circus, but there is a Dunkin' Donuts there ... Last time I was in London, I walked in, asked for a jumbo 4x4 ... received a blank look .... was asked if I would like to speak to the manager .... said "no thanks" .... left, and found a cafe that served me a really good cup of tea ..... :)

Bagpuss 22-02-2009 08:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 683719)
But, as I am a Canadian, it's probably none of my business:D
As is my stepfather, Eric your opinion is valued because unlike Royboy you add something to the thread that a troll cannot.

garinda 22-02-2009 08:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683651)
Garinda......Answer the Bl..dy question....You can fence all you like but you can't hide. ;)

That question being the comment from turkishdelight about the Vision newspaper published by L.C.C.?

I didn't realise I was taking part in a personal question and answer session. I was under the illusion I was free to post in a thread where and when I wanted to, just like everyone else.

Why on earth should I answer each and every comment, especially as it seems totally irrelevant to the central issuse to this topic? That issue being the recently increased allowances of our local councillors, and the resulting public outrage that followed, which presumably promted Andrewb to request information about all councillor's expenses.

I also posted earlier that two wrongs don't make a right, and find that sort of evidence is always a very poor defence.

The only possible comment I can make about Vision, since the information provided wasn't given a source, is that it sometimes makes quite an interesting and informative read, and certainly takes longer to peruse before it goes into the recycling sack, than the lovely calendar did from my local councillors, and certainly has pretty pictures in it.

Gayle 22-02-2009 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683742)

I notice that nothing of interest has been posted yet, regarding the information that was requested under the Freedom of Information Act.(?)

Rather disappointing considering all the work it probably entailed for some poor person at the council.
It can take quite a few weeks before any information is issued - when I asked for some info it took about three or four weeks before it arrived - so it's quite possible that Andrew hasn't received anything to post yet.

jaysay 22-02-2009 09:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashy (Post 683702)
is this thread still going?
Ar Milligan and Nesbit still on Opportunity Knocks:D

turkishdelight 22-02-2009 09:15
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Just a point to all i value all the individuals opinions on here and consider their points of view. Royboy your opinions are certainly valued by myself.

garinda 22-02-2009 09:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 683794)
It can take quite a few weeks before any information is issued - when I asked for some info it took about three or four weeks before it arrived - so it's quite possible that Andrew hasn't received anything to post yet.
That's fair enough.

It would have been nice of andrewb to share that information with us, if that's the case...in the interest of transparency and openess.:rolleyes:

garinda 22-02-2009 09:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 683801)
Royboy your opinions are certainly valued by myself.

...and myself, when relevant to the topic.

I found particaulary interesting his comment that if he lived here he wouldn't vote for Cllr. Britcliffe.

Hypothetical of course, because he can't vote in a local election here in Hyndburn, but interesting none the less, after he'd digested all the facts and reached that conclusion.

garinda 22-02-2009 09:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 682028)
Thats why I would probably vote Labour in local elections following what I have read on here...I do think it's worth a punt.
Just in case anyone happened to miss it, in this somewhat long and winding thread, this is the moment that Royboy39 came to the conclusion that he'd vote for Labour, if he was eligible to vote in a local election here in Hyndburn, after thoughtful consideration of the facts given in the thread.

As stated earlier, personally I can't make that claim. I vote for whoever I think is going to be the best person for the job, regardless of which party they're a member of.

An interesting conclusion for him to arrive at though, from an outsider's point of view.

Neil 22-02-2009 11:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683802)
That's fair enough.

It would have been nice of andrewb to share that information with us, if that's the case...in the interest of transparency and openess.:rolleyes:
He wont know how long it takes the info to reach him until it arrives :p :rolleyes::D

garinda 22-02-2009 12:07
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 683851)
He wont know how long it takes the info to reach him until it arrives :p :rolleyes::D
No, but in the spirit of glasnost, to those who may be interested, he could publicy say that he hasn't yet received the information he requested, as he has told me privately.

;)

g jones 22-02-2009 12:22
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 683794)
It can take quite a few weeks before any information is issued - when I asked for some info it took about three or four weeks before it arrived - so it's quite possible that Andrew hasn't received anything to post yet.
Hi Gayle, keep up the good work btw...

The Council's deadline was the 18th February.

Bernard Dawson 22-02-2009 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 683851)
He wont know how long it takes the info to reach him until it arrives :p :rolleyes::D
-
Neil. I received an email from the Council on the 12th February stating that information had been requested on me using the Freedom of information Act.

Gayle 22-02-2009 13:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 683864)

The Council's deadline was the 18th February.
Well, by my reckoning, and allowing for a few days for the officers to collate all the information and chase up the odd stragglers, the information should probably be being sent out to Andrew mid week this week.

Having said that, I don't think Andrew HAS to post the information he finds. He's asked for some info and undoubtedly he'll receive what he asked for but that doesn't necessarily mean that he has to make it public.

garinda 22-02-2009 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 683886)

Having said that, I don't think Andrew HAS to post the information he finds. He's asked for some info and undoubtedly he'll receive what he asked for but that doesn't necessarily mean that he has to make it public.
No of course he doesn't.

I very much think his decision to make his findings public will be based on whether he's found out anything benefical in defending the shameful behaviour of the Conservative councillors, who inspired all this furore, by voting to award themselves great allowances than had been independently recommended.

:rolleyes:

garinda 22-02-2009 14:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 683779)
As is my stepfather, Eric your opinion is valued because unlike Royboy you add something to the thread that a troll cannot.
You can't just insult someone like that! :eek:

You have to give a detailed, and frank explanation of said insult. ;)


troll 3 internet Noun
a person who posts deliberately inflammatory messages on an internet discussion board purely to gain attention.

Royboy39 22-02-2009 17:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683805)
...and myself, when relevant to the topic.

I found particaulary interesting his comment that if he lived here he wouldn't vote for Cllr. Britcliffe.

Hypothetical of course, because he can't vote in a local election here in Hyndburn, but interesting none the less, after he'd digested all the facts and reached that conclusion.
Is it time to start your tantrums yet?...Or was that it?

andrewb 22-02-2009 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683802)

It would have been nice of andrewb to share that information with us, if that's the case...in the interest of transparency and openess.:rolleyes:
I'm not too sure the information will be of any use to you. I mean, you still haven't condemned Labour for misleading you last year when they said council tax was the most expensive in the whole country. I wouldn't want you being mislead again.

katex 22-02-2009 18:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 683996)
I'm not too sure the information will be of any use to you. I mean, you still haven't condemned Labour for misleading you last year when they said council tax was the most expensive in the whole country. I wouldn't want you being mislead again.
Not the only authority confusing us voters Andrew .. found this a little confusing, please note first comment by reader :-

Pendle council tax 'to stay the same' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

andrewb 22-02-2009 18:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 684010)
Not the only authority confusing us voters Andrew .. found this a little confusing, please note first comment by reader :-

Pendle council tax 'to stay the same' (From Lancashire Telegraph)
Local government is so complex. It's just too easy for politicians to mislead people, as nobody knows the ins and outs. :/

I mean, if people see 'zero council tax rise' in their local paper, they'll expect it. When it comes to getting the bill it'll have gone up because of county council, the police and fire authority. Then when Hyndburn announce the actual increase of 3.6% so nobody has a shock when they come to pay the bill, the opposition scream 7% from the rooftops. Can't win.

Gayle 22-02-2009 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684016)
Local government is so complex. It's just too easy for politicians to mislead people, as nobody knows the ins and outs. :/

I mean, if people see 'zero council tax rise' in their local paper, they'll expect it. When it comes to getting the bill it'll have gone up because of county council, the police and fire authority. Then when Hyndburn announce the actual increase of 3.6% so nobody has a shock when they come to pay the bill, the opposition scream 7% from the rooftops. Can't win.
And the problem is that everyone only ever announces the one that makes them look good.

garinda 22-02-2009 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 683996)
I'm not too sure the information will be of any use to you. I mean, you still haven't condemned Labour for misleading you last year when they said council tax was the most expensive in the whole country. I wouldn't want you being mislead again.
I only ever saw the story that Hyndburn had the most expensive Council Tax in the country in the Daily Telegraph, and the local press.

Oh, and I remember reading about it on here.

So all of them were very naughty indeed, for publishing the information.

Bagpuss 22-02-2009 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684016)
Hyndburn announce the actual increase of 3.6%
And we all know why there has been this increase don't we.:rolleyes:

cashman 22-02-2009 19:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 684030)
And the problem is that everyone only ever announces the one that makes them look good.
so true n theres one not a million miles away does that,plus answers one question wi another.:D

g jones 22-02-2009 21:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 683996)
I'm not too sure the information will be of any use to you. I mean, you still haven't condemned Labour for misleading you last year when they said council tax was the most expensive in the whole country. I wouldn't want you being mislead again.
Obviously I have said this a lot but I think there is a need to say it again to you Andrew. The Daily Telegraph did a survey as a % of income put Hyndburn top as a proportion. The Lancashire Telegraph repeated it pointing out Hyndburn's position. Labour Party re-printed the story. If it was a proven lie then seek legal advice.

Its all a bit rich from you Andrew
• Conservative leaflets steal photos and layout form Labour in 'childish' parody on community safety.
• Conservative Leaflets say Local Labour Councillors to introduce rubbish tax and put question mark on the end to avoid accountability for saying what would have been a lie without the question mark on the end. I would say a lie with it in the end as it has not been discussed once in the last 8 years (my time on the council) and is NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE with Hyndburn's systems.
• Claimed built Health Centres (PCT NHS)
• Claimed credit for introducing Free Sports. EVERYONE knows that was not a Labour initiative but my initiative (the same I know but for factual clarity of ownership).

BTW I am still waiting for an answer on my question.... Good Tory Things in the last 10 years?

g jones 22-02-2009 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684016)
Local government is so complex. It's just too easy for politicians to mislead people, as nobody knows the ins and outs. :/

I mean, if people see 'zero council tax rise' in their local paper, they'll expect it. When it comes to getting the bill it'll have gone up because of county council, the police and fire authority. Then when Hyndburn announce the actual increase of 3.6% so nobody has a shock when they come to pay the bill, the opposition scream 7% from the rooftops. Can't win.
Don't be a pillock. When LCC put it up 5% and Hyndburn 4%, The local Conservatives did what Pendle have done and screamed "less than County Council - don't blame us"

I have been there when you have played it the other way too.

g jones 22-02-2009 22:17
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From Accrington Observer

2008 Council Tax - plays it one way
"And it’s all being done for a council tax rise below the rate of inflation", said Councillor Peter Britcliffe.
He was expected to announce that Hyndburn ratepayers face an overall rise of 3.75 per cent, taking into account county council, police and fire service figures.
Hyndburn Council’s own increase was likely to be 4.95 per cent, meaning householders in Band A would pay just 16p a week extra for local services.
Councillor Britcliffe said: "This is all down to our financial strength.We have really turned the finances of the council around and we can afford to improve services even though we have been short-changed to the tune of £750,000 by the Government"

2007 Council Tax - plays it the other way
HARD hats, a gas-guzzling limousine and hanging baskets were all vigorously discussed in Hyndburn Council's budget debate.
The upshot was a 4.8 per cent rise in council tax.
This means a £9.59 a year increase for a Band D property and a £6.40 increase for a Band A home.
But the overall cost to taxpayers rises to 5.75 per cent when the precepts of the county council, police and fire brigade are added, costing the average household an extra £45.
The council's Conservative leader Peter Britcliffe blamed the increase on the Government "short-changing" the borough to the tune of £230,000 but said he had kept the increase below the five per cent "cap".

Council Tax 2004
HYNDBURN Council is set to increase its share of council tax by a whopping 10 per cent.
But when demands from Lancashire County Council, the police and the fire service are taken into account, the rise will equate to an overall jump of 5.8 per cent, fractionally above the Govern-ment's capping limit.
An annual budget of £12.6M will be set next week if the full council agrees to the recommendations of the ruling Cabinet.
Council leader Peter Britcliffe said every effort was being made to reduce the council tax further in time for that meeting on Tuesday.
He said: "We are working to protect services as well as we can but we are still trying to make as many savings as possible. If you look at the figures coming in from other areas, the shortfall from Government and the problems that have beset Hyndburn, I breathe a big sigh of relief that council tax payers will not be unduly punished."
...
HYNDBURN Council has announced its share of the annual council tax rise will be just 3.9 per cent - far less than the whopping 10 per cent it predicted last week.
In a huge U-turn, council leader Peter Britcliffe said savings of around £350,000 had been found over the past few days, reducing the required level of increase by more than six per cent.
And he pledged the council would "never again" get itself into the cash crisis that sparked the high rise prediction.
When demands from Lancashire County Council, the police and the fire service are taken into account, the rise will account to an overall jump of 4.92 per cent from last year, rather than the expected 5.8 per cent.

Council tax 2006
COUNCIL tax is unlikely to rise much more than five per cent when the final bill is announced in March.
Bosses from Hyndburn Council this week gave assurances they would not raise their shares by more than five per cent.
But they will have to wait for the police and fire services to say how much they need before they can set the tax on 2 March.
Hyndburn Council leader Peter Britcliffe made the promise about the borough's share of council tax at a public Question Time-style event last Thursday.
A five per cent rise would mean the average home in the borough would pay £43.35 more than last year.
EXCLUSIVE
HYNDBURN householders face an overall rise in their council tax bills of just under five per cent, it was revealed last night.
The council's Tory leader Peter Britcliffe was set to reveal a "budget for safety" with cash going to provide more CCTV cameras and employ six new police community support officers.We have been able to keep the rise below the Government target figure. Our share of the increase will be less than 13p a week. At an average price of just £2.60 per week per house our services remain great value and are less than an annual TV licence or buying a daily newspaper all year.

Council Tax 2005
RESIDENTS are likely to find themselves paying 3.8 per cent more in council tax from next month.
Hyndburn Council's own share of the bill is set to rise by 8.2 per cent, which will be ratified by a meeting of the full council on Wednesday.
The county council increase has been pegged at 3.5 per cent while the Police Authority has imposed a five per cent precept.
Hyndburn Council leader Peter Britcliffe told a meeting of the Cabinet: "The total rise proposed is well within the Government's recommended level of five per cent.
"Since most houses in Hyndburn are in Band A, which pays the lowest level of tax, it would mean an increase of only 19p a week in our share of the bill or around £32 per year overall.
"We have to pay extra costs but the Government has only given us £400,000 to meet them.

HYNDBURN Council's ruling Conservative group has managed to make an 11th-hour cut in the level of next year's council tax.
The rise in the council's share of the bill will now be just five per cent instead of the 8.2 per cent recommended by the Cabinet last week.
That equates to just 12p a week extra for householders in the most common Band A group. The overall rise, taking county council, police and fire service levies into account, will be 3.3 per cent, below the national average of four per cent.
In presenting his budget speech at a meeting of the full council on Wednesday, he said three factors had made this year's budget process a particularly challenging one:
Reckless borrowing decisions by previous Labour administrations which had left an ever-increasing burden of debt.

g jones 22-02-2009 22:21
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Andrew, you must be embarrassed by the above post?

cashman 22-02-2009 22:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684100)
Andrew, you must be embarrassed by the above post?
ya gotta be kidding......... hes done a runner.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Royboy39 22-02-2009 22:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684103)
ya gotta be kidding......... hes done a runner.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:
He will come back....Guns blazing you watch....I hope. :)

Hell of a post that from Graham.

cashman 22-02-2009 22:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 684106)
He will come back....Guns blazing you watch....I hope. :)

Hell of a post that from Graham.
yep n quoting the paper.:)

Neil 22-02-2009 22:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684092)
The Daily Telegraph did a survey as a % of income put Hyndburn top as a proportion.
I did not realise it was a percentage of income. I don't see why that is relavent. Just because the people of Hyndburn earn less money than some other areas does not mean it cost any less to empty the bins etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684092)
Conservative leaflets steal photos and layout form Labour in 'childish' parody on community safety.
Sorry Graham but that was funny. Well I laughed anyway but I have been told I have an odd sense on humour :D:D. Anyway you got a result in the end.

Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684092)
BTW I am still waiting for an answer on my question.... Good Tory Things in the last 10 years?
You might have to help him answer that one :rolleyes::D

Neil 22-02-2009 22:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683859)
No, but in the spirit of glasnost, to those who may be interested, he could publicy say that he hasn't yet received the information he requested, as he has told me privately.

;)
Does that mean you can't be trusted with private conversations? I thought was only after you have had a few beers :p:rolleyes::D

garinda 22-02-2009 23:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684016)
Local government is so complex.
Perhaps it is for some.

For others it's very black and white, especially when it comes to what's right and wrong.

The blind, greedy arrogance of the Conservatives councillors who decided to award themselves massively increased allowances, going against independently arrived at guidelines, was wrong.

Nothing complex about that.

garinda 22-02-2009 23:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 684116)
Does that mean you can't be trusted with private conversations? I thought was only after you have had a few beers :p:rolleyes::D
Your question has been noted, and you should recieve the information by post within the next three weeks.;)

cashman 22-02-2009 23:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684124)
Perhaps it is for some.

For others it's very black and white, especially when it comes to what's right and wrong.

The blind, greedy arrogance of the Conservatives councillors who decided to award themselves massively increased allowances, going against independently arrived at guidelines, was wrong.

Nothing complex about that.
thats very complex to a tory, cos they can't see it.:rolleyes:

Neil 22-02-2009 23:25
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I think it is more complex than most of us realise.

How much influence do the Councillors have on the budget?
I suspect the majority of Council spending is set by the Council Officers and not the Councillors.

It would be interesting to know what the percentage split is between spending decided by Councillors and departmental budgets for refuse, cleansing, parks, licensing etc that is decided on by the department managers and accountants?

garinda 22-02-2009 23:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684126)
thats very complex to a tory, cos they can't see it.:rolleyes:

...or if they can see it, the best line in defence that they can come up with is 'Miss, Miss, but they did something naughty as well Miss!'

We'll have to wait and see if all this furtive digging around allows them to use that one.

garinda 22-02-2009 23:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 684131)
I think it is more complex than most of us realise.

How much influence do the Councillors have on the budget?
I suspect the majority of Council spending is set by the Council Officers and not the Councillors.

It would be interesting to know what the percentage split is between spending decided by Councillors and departmental budgets for refuse, cleansing, parks, licensing etc that is decided on by the department managers and accountants?
Apparently some of that information will be sent out with your Council Tax bill.

It's sort of a sweetner, to take your attention from how much you actually have to pay.

Hot dogs and cans of Coke are very expensive in London, don't forget.

;)

andrewb 22-02-2009 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684092)
Obviously I have said this a lot but I think there is a need to say it again to you Andrew. The Daily Telegraph did a survey as a % of income put Hyndburn top as a proportion. The Lancashire Telegraph repeated it pointing out Hyndburn's position. Labour Party re-printed the story. If it was a proven lie then seek legal advice.
I have said this a lot, but since councillors who actually want to be in charge of the borough don't understand, I think there is a need to say it again to you, Graham. I do wish we could just meet up, it'd be easier to teach you in person.

When will you realise that:
  1. We have mostly band A and band B housing in Accrington (80%).
  2. Naturally we have a low average wage, and people live in those band A and B houses.
  3. The Daily Telegraph article quotes band D (that's two to three bands higher than most residents).
The percentage of income looks high, because of reason 1, 2 and 3 combined. Namely that people don't live in band D housing. People don't pay band D prices.

Accrington is not a band D predominant area. Accrington residents do not mostly pay band D rates. Hardly any of them pay band D rates.

How do you expect people to trust you with the borough when you either,
A) Still don't have a clue what I'm on about
or
B) Still refuse to admit you're wrong and try to mislead people.

cashman 22-02-2009 23:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 684131)
I think it is more complex than most of us realise.
reckon the biggest complexity fer most is paying the "Damn Thing":(

garinda 22-02-2009 23:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684147)
reckon the biggest complexity fer most is paying the "Damn Thing":(
Yes, but don't you realise it's only a small price to pay for 'excellence'? :rolleyes:

cashman 23-02-2009 00:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684148)
Yes, but don't you realise it's only a small price to pay for 'excellence'? :rolleyes:
NO:rolleyes:

garinda 23-02-2009 00:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684145)
I have said this a lot, but since councillors who actually want to be in charge of the borough don't understand, I think there is a need to say it again to you, Graham. I do wish we could just meet up, it'd be easier to teach you in person.

When will you realise that:
  1. We have mostly band A and band B housing in Accrington (80%).
  2. Naturally we have a low average wage, and people live in those band A and B houses.
  3. The Daily Telegraph article quotes band D (that's two to three bands higher than most residents).
The percentage of income looks high, because of reason 1, 2 and 3 combined. Namely that people don't live in band D housing. People don't pay band D prices.

Accrington is not a band D predominant area. Accrington residents do not mostly pay band D rates. Hardly any of them pay band D rates.

How do you expect people to trust you with the borough when you either,
A) Still don't have a clue what I'm on about
or
B) Still refuse to admit you're wrong and try to mislead people.
I think that you've posted that long winded argument before.

The Daily Telegraph worked out we were the most expensive borough in the country because they think we don't we have any money and live under gooseberry bushes, and they thought we lived in great big castles.

Sadly it's just the headlines that remain in people's minds, and how much of their hard earned income they're having to fork out to pay their bills, for the privilege of being ruled by a council of 'excellence'.;)

garinda 23-02-2009 00:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684152)
NO:rolleyes:
You obviously don't understand the complexities...unlike some.;)

andrewb 23-02-2009 00:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684100)
Andrew, you must be embarrassed by the above post?
I think you've done a good job embarrassing yourself Graham, I don't want to steal your thunder.

garinda 23-02-2009 00:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684156)
I think you've done a good job embarrassing yourself Graham, I don't want to steal your thunder.
There's another one who doesn't understand the complexities of local government.:rolleyes:

It's a good job we've got you to explain it all simply to us.:)

Now be a good lad and run off and make me a cup of tea.:D

andrewb 23-02-2009 00:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684154)
I think that you've posted that long winded argument before.

The Daily Telegraph worked out we were the most expensive borough in the country because they think we don't we have any money and live under gooseberry bushes, and they thought we lived in great big castles.

Sadly it's just the headlines that remain in people's minds, and how much of their hard earned income they're having to fork out to pay their bills, for the privilege of being ruled by a council of 'excellence'.;)

I have posted the argument before. I suppose it's long winded, but that's the difference between truth in detail and just referencing newspaper headlines to mislead the public. Fact is it's not the most expensive council at all. Shame Labour don't have the bottle to admit it. They'll just continue misleading people to try and get votes. Shameful!

cashman 23-02-2009 00:08
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
its a good job Adolf Hitler wasn't a tory,:eek: or andrew would be defending him! mind they did fund Oswald Mosley secretly so not beyond the bounds.:rolleyes:

Caz 23-02-2009 00:22
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684159)
I have posted the argument before. I suppose it's long winded, but that's the difference between truth in detail and just referencing newspaper headlines to mislead the public. Fact is it's not the most expensive council at all. Shame Labour don't have the bottle to admit it. They'll just continue misleading people to try and get votes. Shameful!

So is there a difference in referencing newspapers and TV?
Take your post number two in tenants thread, Saturday


Was that truth or were you just sumising to get at the Labour goverment?

Maybe you should get the truth first before advising. :confused:


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