Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Do they still have them stocks in huncoat?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I haven't been to a council meeting for 15 years when they became a farce when Slynn and co had already made the decisions and just used council as a rubber tamping forum. I have had very little political contact, save occasionally at election times and have had no input into the last two in any shape or form. I can also say that I have not seen PB (I have spoken to him by phone very occasionally) since Mayday 2007 when he popped into see me with his daughter. I haven't a clue what goes on a council meets because to be quite honest I don't give a stuff, I did my bit for forty years starting when I was 16 not 60, is that plain enough for you

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Let's really put thing's in perspective, you and the Councillors of whichever party, didn't Originally put yourselves up for self gratification or financial reward.

Unfortunately as keeps happening, the main aim often gets obscured by the fog of war, not intentionally but you all, from all parties are that busy trying to defend what you can or are trying to do that there are moments of frustration.

You Graham tend to shoot from the hip, you know Andrew, you know what he is like and 2x2=5, (because you feel hurt), and you want to kick back oops a daisy as I've already said shot yourself in the foot.

That doesn't mean you don't care, it perhaps shows you care too much!

What is needed by we the poor electorate is for you and everyone else to work for us as a team, you have all been voted in, ignore the party, look out for the people that put you there,

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

spot on, but as " Buddy Holly" sang.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I won't be replying for the rest of the night. Don't panic. Peter Britcliffes psychic hotline is down.
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Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

You'd be better if that young lady you mentioned from last night was!

:eek:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Does that mean if the labour people post tonight we only get one blinkered political view instead of the usual two ? ;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Your reply is very interesting, I have spoken to Councillors on other councils, where they do allow questions from the public at Cabinet meetings, and their feedback has been very positive. As non Cabinet members are only very rarely allowed to speak at Cabinet meetings and then only if PB thinks the views expressed will be in accordance with is, I fail to see how having the public speak would give an opportunity to try and trip the Conservatives up. You appear to be presuming only non Conservative residents would ask questions.

You do live in very 'enclosed' little world don't you, where everyone communicates by email and would feel confident at knowing how to submit a Freedom of Information request. Surely it is more sensible for them to be able to question the relevant portfolio holder about any issues they have concerning the borough. I have seen Peter Britcliffe face hostile questioning, when he turned up at a Church and Milnshaw Area Council, because he didn't like the questions he was asked he told the residents present that they were rude. Definitely the way to win friends and influence people.

Surely debate is good, if it is stifled (as in most cases it is at meetings of Hyndburn Cabinet) then it becomes a dictatorship. In the case of the current Leader of the Council (who is a control freak) a Fascist dictatorship.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I am and will always be a member of the general public, I do vote, I know who I usually vote for, that does not make it a permanent thing, I tow no line but my own and hope that whoever get's in will represent me to the best of their capabilities.

If a Conservative is running my ward I don't want him tripping up I want him to be as honest and fair as possible, why do party liners of all equations feel a need to always oppose? if they are in control for x number of years then surely we should all want them to be successful for all our benefits? To 'trip someone up', just because they aren't in your party surely isn't good for the majority no matter who you are?
:mad:

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Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

That is very heartfelt and focused post.
Why has this situation been allowed to develope and why should one person be in control....I always understood, and now it seems that I am wrong, That in a small community that Hydburn is, The Council does not appear to be in control.
I think the word 'Cabinet' has always been associated to the real one that has existed for many years and I agree with that.
I have the choice of voting for that and still do at national level.
When I lived in Church, if did you not agree with your local representative you would stop him or her in the street and let your feelings be known, may not have been taken on board but still had the chance and the right.
I would not vote for GB and his current bunch of numpties but if I still lived in Church I would vote to get 'El Controlo' out. :eek:

I know he does not represent Church, but you know what I mean.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I would hope that the people of the Church ward, which I have privilege of being the councillor, feel that they can stop me and tell me if they don't agree with me. I will certainly listen to anyone's views and do my best to help them (if it is in my remit to do so) or if I can't help them directly, I will try to point them in the right direction to get more help and advice.

I was elected to represent everyone in the ward not just those who voted for me.

It is difficult when many of the problems of the borough are ignored by the Leader of the Council and many important decisions are taken to gain political advantage, rather than for the benefit of the people with most need.

There is a maxim - 'All power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely' and unfortunately we have now reached the point in Hyndburn where this is very true.

Money (not to mention officer's time) has been wasted on one hare brained scheme after another. In the last 2 years first we had the attempt to change the name of the borough (which needed a 2/3 majority of councillors to agree too). Then when that failed we had the attempt to create a Town Council in Great Harwood - (which considering so few people had voted in the ill fated consultation in April/May 2008 ) was another expensive exercise.

Then we had the Area Council Calendars paid for by the council tax payer.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Well I must say I'm shocked at that post, and you've gained my respect for making it.

As you now see there is very little chance for cross party co-operation, with councillors working for the benefit of the borough, when so many people are forced into silence.

I've mentioned before I've lived in the most expensive borough in England, which offered appalling services, and also the borough with the lowest local tax, which was an excellent place to live.

Living in Hyndburn seems akin to living under a dictatorship.

We've had one hare brained scheme after another, all of which would have been very costly, and all of which would have brought no discernible benefits to the people of Hyndburn. Thankfully through public opposition these ideas have been forced off the agenda.

Sadly ego is king at Hynburn Borough Council, and with people being denied a voice, the future looks bleak if this is allowed to continue.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

How can we live in a dictatorship where people have no voice when "Thankfully through public opposition these ideas have been forced off the agenda."???

Unfortunately Andrew your arguments are hollow. The Tories have removed Labour Councillors from 6 committees. They hold many others during working hours as only one or two of them work. Labour Councillors have put forward all the best ideas in the last 12 years and the Tories have put none as far as I can see. Labours biggest achievement is probably creating the best part of 600 jobs in the Globe Centre. The 2nd is the recycling scheme. What is the Tories best contribution in 12 years Andrew? Keeping the Council Tax down below a 100%!

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Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Point taken, and I'll try to clarify what I meant.

To me it seems apparent that some good voices are being silenced in Hyndburn. We've been given examples in this thread where members of the public have tried to ask questions at public meetings, and they have been quashed, and dismissed as being 'rude'. (I'll try to resist a kettle/black comment here.)

From other posts on Accy Web there is evidence that councillors are being sidelined and ignored, because they aren't in the inner sanctum of the cabinet.

I've said recently in another thread that Cllr. Britcliffe is a very good councillor for his ward, and obviously the people who kept him elected for twenty six years think the same.

Sadly we have a system whereby the party who polls the most councillors forms the ruling body of the council, and then they decide who the leader will be, and that's democratically fair.

However we end up with a council leader, in a very powerful position, who wasn't elected to that position by the people of the borough as a whole.

I know that is the system we have, and there is little chance of it being changed, and the same criticism could also be levelled at national level, in that we vote for an M.P., but then have a P.M. foisted on us by the party who secured the most seats.

In Hyndburn I do think we have a council leader whose egotism clouds the issue when it comes to what is best for the borough. There have been many ludicrous, costly schemes, his pet projects, which thankfully have been shelved.

Again I feel like I'm repeating myself, but if I thought the leadership of H.B.C. was good, you'd certainly hear no complaints from me.

Living in Labour controlled Lambeth was hell, and I paid the highest Poll Tax in the land for the privilege. On the other hand when I moved to the neighbouring borough of Conservative Wandsworth, we paid the lowest Poll then Council Tax in England, and were served by a fantastic council. Similarly Labour controlled Glasgow City Council provided it's residents with excellent services, and value for money. So I do feel able to make comparisons.

To me the issue isn't party politics, it's about competence, and happily, unlike councillors who aren't part of the inner circle at H.B.C., and people at public meetings who dare to voice their opinions and questions, I can't be silenced, and this forum lets me, as well as everyone else, have their voice heard.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

now yer being open minded.:):worthy:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Although Andrewb's friends on Facebook are all high-fivin' him for his knowing exactly which years to enquire about re: councillor's expenses, I noticed he's taken the link to his blog off his Accy Web signature. It was there a couple of days ago. I know that because I read it.

I thought I'd amuse myself by reading his thoughts on his recent actions in his blog, but alas that is no longer a possibility.

Perhaps I could apply under the Freedon of Information Act, to find out what his real reason was for doing what he did.

:rolleyes::D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Happily I found his blog, by Googling 'Daily Telegraph Hyndburn most expensive council tax'. :D

Sadly he seems to have been too busy to post much of interest on there recently.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Like to blow your own trumpet? The Conservatives haven't put any good ideas forward for 12 years? Give me a break. As for dictatorship, it's a funny one, where the opposition give all the ideas. I think you people calling it a dictatorship insult the people suffering under real dictators. Council is democratically elected.

Labour in Hyndburn are the party that will just consistently try and trip the Conservatives up at every step. One day you will realise that it's constructive, and will win you more votes, if you admit where the council has achieved, what the Conservatives do well, and how you'll work together. You're unbelievable until then and won't be winning control. While under your stewardship Labour are a sinking ship - your hatred creates errors of judgement.

Have you apologised to Peter Britcliffe for the incorrect accusations in post one yet?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Amused by the fact that Graham is obsessed by the thought that there is more to this. Of course, he couldn't be further from the truth. You can continue to read my blog, the link has always remained.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Good.:)

Though it was definitely not on your AW signature earlier, as we all witnessed.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Can you remember that far back, and would you have taken an interest if you can?

After all you'd only have been eight years old.

Or where you a political activist in your primary school playground?

:rolleyes::D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

That seems like a good idea. If children learn early enough about polotics and encouraged in the area then maybe we will have a whole generation of politically savvy kids for future generations. Too many when they reach their teens have no idea about polotics or why they should vote. We could benifit in the future.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Well frankly, it was, unless signatures broke for some reason, which I've never ever seen happen before.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I'm not making it up.

As you say perhaps it was broken.

I shall look forward to reading it again.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

A lot of our views on how this council is run, our also shared be several Conservative Councillors .

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Suppose these are all unnamed too? :rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Andrew. They probably wouldn't say publicly, but they are there.

You may well recall that one Conservative Councillor recently left the Tory group.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

if that is fact,it would be very unsafe/unfair to name them,as i'm sure you are well aware.:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I just wish i was important enough for someone to have requested one on me!!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

Re: Hi
 

Hi Andrew Interesting reading im impressed you were always a wiz attaining information. Sent with sincere admiration for your outstanding comments, clearly you have demonstrated equality and transparency in your statements wish you luck and every deserved sucess in the political arena although im sure you wont need it as i know your a natural. One to watch out for. Regards Mum.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I think they have all spoken publicly and they have all put their views out in the public domain... It's no secret who some of them are.

John Griffiths, Doug Heyes, Sandra Heyes, Wyn Frankland, Rennie Pinder (chair of Altham Parish Council) and David Mason. On and off Paul Barton.

Wyn resigned describing her colleagues as 'Muppets and Puppets' in the press, you don't get more damning than that. Sandra is still involved at other levels despite losing her seat but people know her views.

I told John Griffiths he had been sacked from the cabinet. He didn't believe me. He did 5 minutes later after a showdown. Rennie won't stand for the Tories as they are now and will openly tell anyone that. David Mason resigned and described his Conservative Party as a dictatorship (in full council) a Party that doesn't listen to the opposition. Doug went in the papers a month or so back openly criticising Conservative Policies, is the husband of Sandra, and he is a long standing respected Tory.

Andrew, your local Party appears to be in chaos. It needs sorting out. Why don't you stand? You have less a majority now than you did in 1999. Just 18 Concillors. One less and you lose control. That's because you are benefitting from national polling and this hides the terrible situation of just how many are voting on local isues against this Conservative Council.

About 10 seats have a 50 majority on 1300 turnout.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Have you apologised to Councillor Britcliffe for your accusations yet Graham?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Why on earth should he apologise to a man, who is a complete and utter disgrace, who dishes out totally uncalled for insults to other members of Hyndburn Council if they try to make any point at meetings.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Its right to apologise when you're wrong. As Graham has been on many issues, including the totally incorrect accusations in the first post of this thread. Will there be an apology given or does Graham's hatred for Peter Britcliffe get in the way again, as it often does, and enhances his error of judgement.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

using that argument ya may care to ask P.B. the same question, fer countless things.:rolleyes: damn i forgot he aint the balls to become a member.pmsl

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well ya would say that,wouldn't ya?:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

At least Cllr Jones did not lie openly about this .. as in the 'Silly Cow' remark (sorry to bring that one up again .. but I heard it remember).

Just an incorrect supposition with the looks of it, and not too difficult to see who may have been asked for this information .. :rolleyes:

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Interesting you know. I haven't had a single Conservative councillor contact me about the freedom of information request. Where as the Labour leader brought it to this forum, misinformed, accusing me of taking orders from Peter Britcliffes Psychic Hotline (back up and running now as you can see), and calling me pathetic. While other Labour councillors continued the with jabs and remarks from the sidelines. I do wonder what they're all so worried about?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

ah but a selective memory is very useful to people with poitical ambition.:D

Re: Hi
 

You asked for personal information on not only myself,but other labour councillors. I think we have every right to ask why you asked for this information.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Why did you not ring him and ask him?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

just an after thought on this matter

even though all councilors expenses were asked for if there had been suspicious elements on both tory and labours paperwork which one would have been brought up here

its all well saying all councilors were applied for but to be frank one could see that as just making it look like it wasnt aimed at any one particular person as well as making it look totaly innocent

personaly i cant see any point in applying for this information apart from looking for dirt which i guess wasnt found so teh matter wasnt brought up here by the investigator

polotics and paranoia go hand in hand it seems , im not politicaly minded and im thinking like a paranoid now lol

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

agree accyman i cannot see any purpose applying fer personal information,unless its to sling mud. it speaks volumes about this "we should work together" crap.:rolleyes: the only losers in all this will be eventually the people of hyndburn, still whats new?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

And some have left the Labour Part too:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I would like to thank the many contributors for an entertaining insight into the life of Hyndburn Councillors and the day to day political tightrope they walk whilst trying to do their best for the town. There have been some hair brained schemes but common sense has prevailed and they have been scrapped. Money has been wasted in the process but wasting public money will always happen when the emphasis is on scoring political brownie points rather than what is generally best for the town. Individual Councillors generally do an excellent job for their wards but as a Committee for improvements there are too many external issues affecting decisions.

You are quite fortunate in Hyndburn that you have Councillors who will defend their positions on a public forum, here in Morecambe a question to a Councillor is usually met with the answer to a question which has never been asked.
As for the rights and wrongs of the FOI act, I feel it is a good thing. If the search has been done in order to carry out a mud slingling exercise, mud can only be slung from the pile of dodgy doo doos.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Does anyone know how many of the Tories voted for PB and how many for someone else last time they were choosing a leader? Same question for the Labour Councillors as well if anyone knows.

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I don't think you have any right under the Freedom of Information act to ask. You just have to accept that questions will be asked under FOI for lots of reasons, often by newspapers to make headlines.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Unless its changed It used to be a secret ballet of the Tory leader, which actually makes sense when they have to work with each other afterwards

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I can answer about the election of Graham Jones as leader of the Labour Group.

Under Labour Party rules (which apply Nationally as well as Locally), all officers of the Labour Group are re elected annually at the AGM - which takes place in May every year (in year's when there is a borough election, it takes place after the election).

Graham Jones was re elected the Leader of the Labour Group unanimously.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Thanks, is it a secret ballot as Jaysay suggested

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I don't remember an apology being issued when he called a fellow councillor a 'silly cow', even though this vile and vicous insult was made within earshot of an Accy Webber.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Sorry Katex, posted a similar comment to your's, before I'd got this far in the thread.:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

2 wrongs don't make a right ;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I believe it was a close run thing against David Myles when we was first elected. Have they sorted out there differences now or is the party still a little disjointed?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

With respect i can absoulutely guarantee the information Andrew received refering to the freedom of information act was requested for reasons only known to him and myself and clearly not for the reasons implied. I would state clearly that at no point has any person put Andrew up to this as suggested. In terms of the statement making sure your repretation remains the same im not clear as to what this implies do you have a repretation? If Andrew chooses to inform people why he applied for the information, his call. No wonder hes laughing and me too its entertaining to say the least. With respect and without predudice Janet.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Ya Neil it was sorted out Mr Myles Jacked it in:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

No they don't, but I doubt an apology on here would be of much interest to Cllr. Britcliffe, as he is much too grand to deign us with his presence, so it would be a bit pointless, unless one of the Three Stooges passed on the apology.

I suppose an apology could have been published on the 'community website', for which H.B.C. received a grant of £591,000.00, if it was still up and running, and had not ben a complete waste of money because of apathy. Still, what's nearly six hundred grand going to buy you nowadays, a hot dog and a Coke in London?

Interestingly I doubt there would have been much interest in councillor's expenses, if a small group of them hadn't been so damned greedy, and voted to award themselves more than an independent panel had recommended.

I hope it's been worth it.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Not another that became an Independent? :rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Andrew's friends on Facebook are laughing that he knew exactly which year's information to request.;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I love my son dearly too, but there comes a time when you let them defend themselves, so as not to expose them to ridicule amongst their friends

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

i laughing as well as scratching me head, what the hell is a repretation?:confused::D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Don't think this is quite a tantamount issue Neil.

It is obvious, Cllr Jones made an incorrect conclusion, and maybe a quick apology to Andrew, not Cllr Bricliffe, would not go amiss. He certainly cannot lie about what he said, as is there for all to see and would not try to wriggle out of it I am sure. Am confident only Andrew put Andrew 'up to this'

I do not believe either that Andrew asked for these expenses because he was doing some sort of research for an essay he might have been writing for his studies. 'How our Councillors waste our money,etc'. There again I am only surmising due to the evidence of recent threads on this subject, and may well owe Andrew myself an apology soon ..(however,pigs will fly as they say) :rolleyes::D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I know this would have flown past Councillor Jones, but the year was 2007/2008. It makes sense that I requested the information on the last full financial year, because of course, 2008/2009 is still ongoing.

The answer is in the detail. ;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

What was the purpose of freely obtaining the information Andrew?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

the detail is in WHY? did ya need this information.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I would assume that Andrew has obtained the information to find out if Graham is telling the truth or not - I hope for Graham's sake that he is telling the truth.

I also hope that Andrew will publish ALL the information that he discovers and not put any further spin on the matter.

Also, it takes some time to get the information, (I know because I've used FOI in the past) so it may not be answered very quickly.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Don't really see a need to explain why I did something I am perfectly entitled to. If you are suggesting I am mud flinging, well there has to be mud to fling. If you want just an unbridled attack on somebody's character, without an ounce of truth, just go to the first post of this thread which councillor Jones decided to make about a member of the public, using a law to request information on the spending of public money, which his government introduced.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Of course that is true, though I would have hoped for a little more transparency from you, as to the motive behind what you did, when asked straightforwardly the reasons for your action.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

David Myles lost the leadership comfortably and since then the vote has been unanimous. This is one of 6 personal attacks sent to the press by Councillor Britcliffe that contain any old made up lies to discredit me. That's the Tories for you.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Asnswer the question Andrew. Labour created 600 jobs and built the Globe Centre. A third owner it is now a multi million pound business.

What is the Tories best achievement for the people of Hyndburn in the 10 years they have had?

Lets be positive Andrew.... waiting......

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I've just waded back to the first post in this thread.

Cllr. Jones posted that you'd requested information relating to councillor's expenses, 'probably' on behalf of Peter Britcliffe.

Since you did request the information, and Cllr. Jones used the word 'probably' I'm afraid there isn't a court in the land that would agree that anyone's character has been defamed.

Still it's been a while since we've had a good Archer/Aitken type trial, so you could risk it.;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

:daisy: :flower: Towers of flowers. :flower: :daisy:

That's an easy one.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Along with all the other accusations. Everything I requested was me and me alone. He harked on about Peter Britcliffe many times, suggesting further than probably, suggesting that Peter was the ONLY person who would have known it. Fact is I never did speak to Peter about it, shame his political hatred and self importance cannot cope with that fact.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Did`nt Howard and Bulloughs build the Globe Centre? and did`nt the companies occupying the Globe Centre create 600 jobs or am I being a little thick here?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I'm not going to fall for your games of smokescreens Councillor Jones. Where is your apology for your first post? How many times have you posted on AccringtonWeb when a perfectly legitimate, anonymous, request has been made by a member of the public.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I'm afraid 'harking on' about something isn't an offence in the eyes of the law either.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

What is there to apologise for?

You did request the information.

We'll take your word that it wasn't at the behest of Peter Britcliffe, which was only hinted at by Graham Jones.

What's the problem?

If you think either of you have been damaged, sue.

Though as posted earlier, you haven't a leg to stand on.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Lots of things are not illegal Garinda, however any sensible, reasonable person would offer an apology when they have accused somebody incorrectly. As Councillor Jones has. I would think it especially sensible when the accuser is a councillor who has got it wrong, when a member of the public has requested information on how they spend public money. I'm sure you'll understand as an independent, so independent that you will defend Councillor Jones even when he is completely wrong. ;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

For heaven's sake give the lad a mild apology Cllr Jones, then he will be happy, we will be happy with your humbleness and better still we can then concentrate on why Andrew requested this information ! :D All politics !

Also you can concentrate on why 'Hyndburn' negated your hard work in the borough.. :rolleyes:

Most people who request information under the FOI act do so because they either wish to use the information for research or to prove a point. It would be of great interest to everyone who has posted in this thred if Andrew can explain why he has requested the expenses of all HBC councillors for the year 2007/08.

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Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Oh, so it's only morally that you think an apology is due?

He was right that you did make the request.

He said 'probably' Peter Britcliffe was behind it.

We'll believe you, that he 'probably' wasn't pulling your strings.

If an apology was due, I also think either one of you would have a good legal case for defamation of character, which you don't.

I'll try again.

Straightforwardly, which you always claim to be, what was your reason for requesting the information relating to councillor's expenses?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Andrew I like you very much as a person, though not a would be politican.

I'm afraid you don't get my vote on this one, for not being able to answer a straightforward question as to your motive.

I also find the fact very telling that your Facebook friends are sharing the joke with you, about you knowing exactly what information to ask for, and from what years.

I'm disappointed.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Nope, not probably. Not at all.
No, it was not a seedy request. The year is simply the last financial year. Nothing more, nothing less. No great conspiracy.

Making connections with me and Peter Britcliffe, infering that he had asked me to request it. Wrong again. The actual FOI request I sent in regards to mobile phones is as follows:

"Mobile phone costs (if they are council provided or subsidised)"

I didn't even know if Hyndburn council provided mobile phones for their councillors, nor did I know if you or anybody else use them. I simply know that some councils do, so requested it on that basis.

Again linking me to Peter Britcliffe, inferring that I didn't request mileage because he knew yours was £0. Wrong again. I requested travel costs in my FOI request.

Again, inferring that i was told what to request. Again, wrong. I can see a theme.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

They also may well be chuckling that mummy joined up and put in her 2pennath - my son would have told me to shut up - and rightly so

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

So can I, inference, but with nothing stated as fact.

I must say I'm quite impressed at the way Graham Jones worded his posts now.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Well Andrew, why did you make a FOI request? You must have had a legitimate reason.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Yes, he is very slimy. I still think it's wrong. I would apologise if I had inferred something that was incorrect. Clearly Graham does not have the bottle.

Not worth it.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Agreed. So would mine...wouldn't apply though, coz I
wouldn't have done it!

Needs to cut the apron strings if he is going into the world of politics. :)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Garinda thats because its hilarious. It's hilarious that me picking the last full financial year, as you know the 2008/2009 one doesn't end until April. If I'd have requested this in April, I'd have requested 2008/2009. That's why its funny, because its by sheer chance that this has caused such turmoil.

I requested it because I'm doing a lot of research on our council as part of my university degree. It is just part of my research, but thus far the rest of it has been available without using freedom of information.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Personally I'd be mortified, not that she joined, but because she identified herself as mummy dearest when offering her support.

Doesn't really help much with the Harry Enfield/Tory Boy tag.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3...yboy150bbc.jpg

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Thank you, an answer, and an explanation.

That's all that was asked and hoped for from you.

You've somewhat redeemed yourself again in my estimation.

:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I don't know which degree Andrews doing, but it can't be that interesting if part of the degree is knowing which councillors attended the local government conference.

It's not Sociology you doing by any chance Andrew.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Really ? Personally I think it's as hilarious as sticking pins in my own eyes. You accuse Graham Jones of a poltical hatred towards PB, yet you use accyweb for the same hatred attack on Graham Jones

Maybe you should both keep your mud slinging off here, or encourage PB to join up then we can have a valid mud wrestling competition !!

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Though I'm still left with a rather sour taste in my mouth, after reading your friends jokey comments on Facebook, as to you knowing what to request, and from when.

If you are planning to be furtive again, make sure you warn your friends that careless words cost lives, or at least make some lives look very suspicious.

;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I cant stop laughing i think its fantastic first time on here today its very adictive. I guess its because im not taking this to heart or to seriously.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

It is very addictive.:rolleyes:

I only logged on at 4 pm, to send someone a quick message.:p

Don't forget though, that if this thread does win best thread at the Accy Web Awards, it'll be Graham Jones accepting the golden honour, as thread originator, while Andrew smiles through his tears in the stalls.;)

:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Oh yeah ... :rolleyes: Will we be able to request your paper on this then through the FOI ... ?
Better get typing quick.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I won't warn my friends of anything. They're entitled to laugh at councillor Jones for not realising that the latest financial year was 2007/2008, and hence why I requested that year. In fact, I think it would be a cover up if I told them to be quiet. ;)