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Well I have read this thread from the beginning and it is obvious to me that it is just an excuse to try and have a go at PB, if this is how council meetings go ie "you said this you did that", is it any wonder things are so bad?
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ya gotta be kidding bernie,this is up fer thread of the year.:confused::D
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Against our comparative group of 15 areas (all East Lancs ex RV + nationwide) we are now have the lowest crime rate amongst this group (and falling). The lowest reported crime that is. The highest solved crime rate as well at 40%.I think NuLab are the ONLY government post war to actually cut crime. David Cameron 1. Says he'll cut cash to Hyndburn. 2. Says he wants poor people to be able to afford houses by cutting back on insulation and build quality 3. Says he wants Georgia to join NATO till someone pointed out that would mean we are obliged to go to war with Russia to defend Georgian sovereignty. cameron decided to go out and promise Georgian's that before British diplomats form the Government got out there to deal with the situation. 4. Said the banks were too heavily regulated and need more freedoms. Now doesn't know whether to support nationalisation or not. 5. Is opposed to Nuclear Power yet has no solution to stop the lights going out. Will end up doubling Britain's 48m tonnes of imported (dirty) Russian coal to keep the lights on. |
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There's much I disagree with what this government have done, but since 1997 they've also done some good things, such as the introduction of the minimum wage, and changed some antiquated discrimatory laws, and in my opinion have at least strived to bring about equality for those who need it most in our society. I'm not a member of the Labout party, nor have I always voted Labour, though I have always voted. For me Greg Pope is the best possible M.P. for Hyndburn at this moment in time. There is no way on God's Earth I could possibly vote for the twice selected, and thankfully twice rejected, Conservative candidate Peter Britciffe, if they decide to field him once again. His ludicrous attempts to waste public money by blindly pushing his egotistical schemes in Hyndburn are quite frankly frightening. The arrogant but dim attitude of the local Conservative party, as well as the unworldy toffs in charge of the national Conservative party, are the two main reasons I won't be voting Conservative in the near future. |
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Is it because I'm not a member of any political party, and see the same things from an independent point of view, which means you then can't blindly attack Labour? Which quite frankly is becoming a bit of a yawn, and as boring as the blinkerd views Mancie spouts on here when he's drunk. |
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even Greg Pope is a member on here n comes on when time allows, he certainly aint afraid to face the public.:) conservative councillors where are you?:D
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He said it was for a uni project, so why didn't he request info on all councillors, not just Labour Answer to PB still being in power? Apathetic constituents, just like turkish delight |
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Well I've read this thread from begining to end as well, and the main conclusion is that Labour in Hyndburn is certainly more of an open book, both in what they publicly say, and also because they are willing to be questioned here on a public forum.
The invisibility of councillors from other parties, prepared to debate issues the general public care about, is very telling. They obviously haven't got the bottle, and/or the confidence to attemp it. Instead we are left with those on the periphery to pass on their thoughts. The 'I rarely speak to him' and the 'I've spoken to him on the phone, but haven't seen him in person since May' brigade. |
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As for the past history of politics, that it can't be forgotton, is bunkum.
Workhouses for the poor, people dieing because they couldn't afford to call a doctor, no education for those who couldn't afford it, wages so low there was no way out of a life of poverty, versus a National Health Service, a State education, a minimum wage, rights in law to protect workers from exploitation. The past can't be forgotton, because tomorrow it might return. |
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(My ward. :eek:) He has twice stood as a candiidate to represent the people of Hyndburn as a whole, as a Member of Parliament, and twice you've rejected him. (I say you, as I wasn't back living in Hyndburn then.) |
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Nowhere does it say I am blaming PB or his tory constituents for the non voters Bernadette...:D
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Your comment about them being apathetic constituents would surely insult a lot of PB's constituents surely? I am sure they are quite able to judge who will best represent them and take care of the interests in their ward much the same as you and I can do. Doesn't appear to me that PB is doing such a bad job according to them |
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Lol, I quickly Googled 'St. Andrews ward' to see if it had an apostrophe in it, when I came across this site, and this quote....
'Our erstwhile MP wonders and worries about his Conservative opposition at the General Election. He needn’t! He will have opposition and believe me, whoever it is will be tough opposition. The one thing for certain is that if I were fortunate enough to represent the Conservatives, following the extra pounds I put on during the summer holidays it would certainly be a “heavyweight contest”. However, the way he and his Government have carried on recently, it wouldn’t surprise me if whoever his opponent is, he will find he suffers a knockout!' Councillor Peter Britcliffe What was I saying about not forgetting about the horrors of the political past?:rolleyes: |
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from what ive read..... in his own ward bernie, NOT Hyndburn as a whole, theres a world of difference.:)
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Why should it be done by PM? Andrew didn't email all councillors and say he was doing a Uni project, for what ever reason did he? He is the reason behind this thread. To my mind an open representative is the one I would go for anyday. And I see no reason why accywebbers shouldn't be privvy to these goings on
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I think because the recent stories about some Conservative councillors voting to award themselves more than was recommended than by an independent body, Graham had every right to make Andrew's request for information public, and for us to ask as to his motives for doing so. If he was hoping to discover some dirt, and provide a smoke screen to deflect away from the real story of some councillor's greed, it doesn't seem to have been very successful so far. I'm sure he wouldn't have had as much time to post in this thread if he'd discovered some juicy scandal to tell us all. |
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By the way would be great to see some of our councillors joining in with other topics:) |
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I haven't finished yet.;) |
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...and besides even this thread has allowed some people to be seen as fairly straightforward, open, and honest, whilst others have come across as sneaky, sly, and more than a little obsessive. Although slightly more rambling, this thread reminds me a little of your thread last week, about the furtive Tory stooge who tried to cover Cameron's back, after his gaffe about Titian. |
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I was looking for a sat nav to get round the thread and still will end up lost!!!!! This was a thread that tortured me!!
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At the 2 general elections (1997 and 2001) at which Peter Britcliffe was the Tory candidate it was very interesting at the count watching the ballot boxes for the Oswaldtwistle wards being opened. It was very obvious that the majority of voted cast in Oswaldtwistle were not for Peter. |
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Andrew as a concerned Hyndburn resident regarding the labour government i asked the question last night on here why would anyone vote labour? In response i was given two in-depth views and also some factual information from two labour councillors. I pose the same question to you why should people vote conservative? would appreciate a response to enable me to make a comparative in-formed view to me its clearly obvious in these very worrying social and economic times my concerns are crime rates divorce rates health and mental health disorders drug and alcohol problems will increase and have a major impact on families and are current economic crisis i feel this is only the beginning under this government and there is indeed a real need for change correct me if im wrong.Its a sad state of affairs in the 21st century people have to choose between eating and heating.
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Well be quite honest when I've just logged on his morning and seen the activity overnight, I've decided there is more to Sunday morning than wading through 10 or 12 pages of prattle. Councillor Jones keeps say its a rotten Tory Council, and the he would lead a GREAT LABOUR council, I have two thoughts 1/ self praise has never been a recommendation and 2/ I'm more interested in what the Audit commission say, the council watchdog with no point scoring one way or the other, and their assessment was last year HBC was performing well, far better than when they took over from the last great labour council
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He didn't think anyone should live in the north? Where's this rubbish from? You're unbelievable with you're misleading scare mongering. It's not even election year! The Tories didn't REMOVE the regulation in 1998. They voted AGAINST this. They saw what would happen. Up till 1998 banks lent what they had in their coffers, from when Gordon Brown REMOVED regulation, until now, the difference between what banks had in their coffers and what they lent came to £700billion! Proud member of the Labour party?
To be frank, the politics of Hyndburn makes me sick. I am absolutely shocked at the way Labour councillors come on here, and spread their misleading information. Even right through this thread, from the first post here, you can see the vile rumours they wish to circulate. They are absolutely determined to use every method in their power, do anything they can, to trip up the Tories, to gain control of the borough. They don't care who they mislead, even if its the people they want to represent. An opposition that does this, is not ready to lead. The people of Hyndburn have no alternative. The financial incontinance within Labour is absolutely shocking. Some people fire away at Conservative wastes. That's true. They're not wrong. The Conservatives however, are a damn lot more competent than Labour as can be seen. It was only last year that Graham Jones, the man who wants to manage your multi million pound budget was learning percentages. It was only the last time Labour got hold of power that we had a multi million pound DEFICIT. We now have multimillion pound reserves, and a healthy council pumping money into additional areas as of this next budget, voted excellent by the audit commission. I would give up, but I cannot stand to see the people of Hyndburn be conned. If you want to get democratically elected, want to help this borough. Stop tripping the Tories up. This thread is just another example of trying to attack the Tories, on the thin alignment that I have voted Conservative. Work for the borough. Stop treating people like fools! Luckily I can follow the council as part of my degree, not everyone has the same luxury of being informed. You have such small amounts of time to get your information across. Don't mislead them with erroneous headlines. Stop your leaders bare hatred of Conservatives, from blurring his judgement. |
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I could give you a long list of what the Labour government has done to benefit the people of this country but really can't be bothered. Why are you not asking questions about the losses that the Leisure Services are making? Graham is speaking the truth when he says the current administration of Hyndburn Council is 'not fit for purpose'. They are ignoring lots of problems - have excluded certain areas of the borough (such as Church Kirk) from the re generation money. I have seen the minutes of the Housing Market Renewal panel - which showed all the areas that met the criterion for Elevate money, and know which areas were excluded. Peter Britcliffe claimed at the last Council meeting that Elevate specified which areas the money had to be spent in and that Hyndburn Council had no say in the matter. That is all smoke and mirrors - Elevate specified the areas within Hyndburn that were elegilble for re generation money but the Tory administration choose which of these areas to spend the money in. What about the minibuses with potentially unsafe second hand rear seats? Other authorities insisted that the minibuses passed a very rigourous test immediately, but Peter Britcliffe allowed them 6 months to satisfy the safety test. How would you feel if you where (or more importantly your child or grandchild - as many are used for schoolruns) in a minibus and were unsure if it was safe? If there is a serious accident - will Hyndburn then be prosecuted under the Corporate Manslaughter legislation. I could go on and on but maybe I have given you some more reasons to request FOI on same very serious subjects. Incidentally your mother seems to have suddenly developed some political ideas in just a few hours - remarkable. |
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How can the 'Tories be tripped up' on here, when they don't have the courage of their convictions to join the public debate?
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Both the NHS and prisons, need to be better equipped to deal with the problems of mental health, and addictions, which I am sure will increase with the economic disaster we're experiencing. It's wrong to think that just throwing money at the NHS will help. That money has to be spent properly, on patients. Labour have failed to deliver on that. It's right that we should put more money into rehabilitating people addicted to drugs. That's the only way we're going to fix their problem. Simply locking them up, will ensure they'll be back on drugs causing crime whenever they're out. Tougher sentencing for crime! If you carry a knife, you should be locked up. Plain and simple. If you carry a knife, you carry the intent to use it. If you had the worry of being locked behind bars for carrying the object, people would think twice. Labour have ruined the economy. An end to 'boom and bust' we were told by Gordon Brown. It's fact that Gordon Brown's 1998 regulation tinkering effectively stopped regulation in its tracks, it's also fact that the Conservatives voted against it. It's allowed a massive bubble, a boom, to accumulate and burst. Yes it's a global recession, but never, ever forget that we are the worst positioned industrialised country in the world to weather this recession. There was no attempt to fix a roof over our heads while the sun was shining. The worst of it is, the poorest are going to suffer the most from Labours economic mess. For some of the good Labour policies have done, they've done an awful lot of bad. I don't however believe you can spend your way out of a recession. You ask about heating, the Conservatives want to provide grants to help insulate homes, make them a better container of heat, be more environmentally friendly, and with this you save money, which can be spent elsewhere. It is time for change you're right. |
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Perhaps this mummy/son bonding might be better carried out via pm, or on one of the messenger services.:rolleyes:
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We might not have an excellent council, as rated by the audit commission, if they spent all their time responding to Labour misleading people on AccringtonWeb. There's a very open debate for everybody to see called council. It's a shame expenses are not so open, then I wouldn't have had to FOI request them, and councillor Jones wouldn't have tried to trip the Tories up by starting this thread. Shame really, because it's all the Labour councillors whining, not a single Conservative councillor has contacted me over the issue, not even the leader himself. |
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As stated earlier, I've lived in both the most expensive and least expensive borough to live in in the country, and I don't think the level of services here in Hyndburn represents good value for money, when weighed against the amount of tax paid. Still at least the people of Hyndburn can take comfort in the knowledge that Cllr. Britcliffe will be able to enjoy more than 'a hot dog and a can of Coke', the next time he's away from the borough on a jolly, thanks to the increase in subsistence allowance he chose to award himself...in defiance of the lower limit recommended by an independent panel. |
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However, can I just say, what a great post from Claytonender. Although I regard the present government as a bunch of unprincipled shysters and I will never ever forgive them for lying to the country to get us involved in an unnecessary war which has cost so many lives, this post reminds me of why I supported Labour in the past, way back before the cynicism set in... Karma sent. |
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Andrew will you be asking for FOI about the black hole that HBC are pouring money into - the Leisure Trust? Or do you only request information to use against the Labour Group? Also when you have the list of all councillor's expense claims for 2007 /08 will you be publishing all the figures? Maybe you also need to ask why there are no dog bins in Peel ward despite the ward councillors and residents requesting them. before you dispute this I should inform you I have a full list of the location of all dog bins on the borough. Incidentally Peter Britcliffe denies the fact that there are no dog bins in Peel ward. |
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I drive a car and could kill you with it. Do you want me to be locked up because a drive with the intent of doing something. People who use a knife to stab someone should be locked up for a long time, maybe 10 years or more without early release. I think that would be a bit deterrent when these young people start seeing there friends locked up. What about under age people carrying knives? That is as much a problem as over 18 year olds. |
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If you are saying that new regulations have been brought in to enhance the safety of minibuses that is different altogether. If new regulations have been brought in and they are retrospective then I agree you need to allow a reasonable amount of time for people to modify there minibuses. Please can you explain more about this. I am very keen on seat belts on all vehicles. I think buses should have seat belts and that no one should be allowed to travel on a bus without a seat belt. We have all seen the TV adverts where the back seat passenger kills the front seat one - it must be the same on a bus. |
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3 things;
1) PB never liked my Uncle, Ian Ormerod either, despite the fact he was a damn fine councillor and worked tirelessly for his constituents.:rolleyes: 2) I will be voting Labour next time around, and I will vote for Greg Pope for as long as he stands as MP for Hyndburn, because he is a decent,trustworthy, honourable man , the alternative is too awful to contemplate.:eek: 3) Where has turkishdelight gone?:rolleyes: |
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ive been on rossendales website and found this
Rossendale Borough Council - Publication of Members Allowances now having a nosy through hyndburns i couldnt find theirs .... why not ... and as there are councillors on here maybe a suggestion being put forward to have it put on the website if it had been there then maybe cyfr/andrew wouldnt have had to use the foi act!!!! |
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