Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Maybe she was his bodyguard;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

absoulutely no offence taken only reason i went canvassing out of interest only done this once results surprised me i must say, i only attended one council meeting also out of interest but again not well up on this subject but another role i am involved in i do have to get elected into yearly so i tend to be much more aware of national issues.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Actually i justwent along with Andrew out of interest.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

As he has attened Westminster with me out of interest on national issues., occasionally.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

fine buts lets have it right,ya were'nt the political numpty ya reckoned,by any stretch of the imagination.:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Wrong honestly i am completed on local issues still couldnt tell you who my councillor is always believed that local councils didnt have the real power to implement anything but Andrew has put me straight on this now and i realise apparently they have forgive me for my ignorance but i really believed that so thats why i never got involved but have recently began to take more notice now and hope i learn something on here now about just what they do im sure both sides do good and bad.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

then i take me hat off to ya, may not agree wi yer political outlook but ya sure aint a thicko.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Cheers no im not and its a slightly different subject than politics but runs close by it.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I really didnt want to identify myself as Andrews mum on here because i guess i knew therewould be some flak but Andrew informed me this was a wrong decision because he stands for honesty hense i did.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

nowt wrong wi honesty, sometimes though silence aint dishonest but wise.;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

This is a public forum, and the rules don't specify you have to divulge your life's story for all and sundry, or supply your date of birth, when it's demanded of you.

There are lots of members of Accy Web who chose to remain anonymous, as is their right.

It doesn't make what they say any less valid, than anyone else's posts.

This is going way off track, which is against forum rules, so can we please keep on thread...as examplified by myself.

:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

meself i reckon its time fer the starter of the thread to come on n put it to bed,if he aint in Morocco.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

No, but if TurkishDelight were to praise me I would feel very uneasy if she was not upfront about who she was. Politicians don't appear to feel uneasy like I do, they just pat each other on the back, but each to their own.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

It was her choice to post that she's your mother.

The fact that she praised you is irrelevant.

I hope it's because she agrees with you, and not just through some sense of blood loyalty.

She could easily have agreed with you anonymously, if she'd wanted to, with dignity intact.

There are lots of members of Accy Web with close family ties. Some we know, some we don't.

What's the big deal?

I'm lucky, I only have my family backing me up if they think I'm right.

By the way, is it okay for a moderator to keep this thread going off track, by adding to it?

:rolleyes::D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Why do you say that 'Politicians don't appear to feel uneasy like I do, they just pat each other on the back, but each to their own.'

I only pat people on the back who have done something worthy of praise, I certainly would never congratulate anyone (be they a politician or anyone else) if they did something that I disagreed with.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Just out of interest Andrew, what research at university prompted you to request the FOI and are you going to publish the information (for all councillors) that you obtained.

Hopefully you will consider this as being back on track :rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

If not already published on here, I would have expected a hint by now that he'd found something of interest, if there was anything scandalous to uncover.:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I totally agree what he stands for and talks alot of sense i would also agree with any other conservative member if he had the equal political opinions and its not through some sense of blood loyalty and i feel my dignity is more than intact unfortunely or not Andrews a good judge of character and is professional in addressing individuals especially members of the public which is indeed a skill in its own right the big deal is hes honest and fully respected for that in all areas in his life i will blow my own trumpet now many have stated he is an absoulute credit to me.Not only is a moderater going off track so are many others what happened to equal rights so is everyone else, hopefully stated without offense just facts as i view it.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

think personally it would be a good thing if he did publish information for "All Councillors" at least then "Honest" comparisons can be made.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

We'll have to disagree.

I like Andrew very much as a person.

As a would be politican he comes across as obsessive, and blinkered, and I think that's just as much a turn off for people as when the real politican on here do it.;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Nothing on this earth will convince me that AndrewB asked for this against research for an essay .. what a load of bunkum !!

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I respect totally your opinion no problem with that hes young and probably has a lot to learn yet but many years ahead of him but i dont think hes doing to badly on the whole though, with respect Janet.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Believe me its true he was here when he was doing the research and couldnt believe when i was suggested otherwise.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Like I say, like him as a person, but not someone who'd ever win my vote.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Sorry, but will not be convinced, and that is my opinion which will not change.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Don't be such a cynic Katex.:eek:

It's probably just pure coincidence that a couple of weeks after the political party he's a member of made newspaper headlines, by voting to award themselves expense allowances above those recommended by an independent panel, that he decided to request information relating to those councillors in opposition.

Only a fool would think otherwise, or a parent, say.

:rolleyes::D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Hey no problem with that but im sure he would get mine and many many others but only time will tell we all have different views as we are all individuals

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Thats what probably gave him the idea as it would be an interesting and diverse topic

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I know, would probably have to play simple Jack in the pantomime scenario, but only one 'simple' person on here at the moment.

Time it was locked now ... getting silly ... :D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

And who is the simple person on here i certainly dont thinks its me also i wouldnt state that about anyone not a nice thing to say

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

So did the Lecturer tell him to do it or did he decide of his own volition that it would be a good idea to do?

We've been asked to believe the former. If it's the latter, still stinks unsless we can see the results both Labour and Tory, but doubt that will happen.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

All this time spent ferreting around might be better spent studying.

We don't want a repeat of his A-levels, and for him to have to retake a year.

:D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Now we have two members saying the thread should be closed. Personally couldn't give a monkeys one way or the other. But do feel that local politicians might just be able to find a better use for their time other than having an argy bargy on Accyweb.
At the end day Andrew asked for some information about ALL the councillors expenses. Seems to me that paranoia on a local level is taking over. And by the way if you have nothing to hide why start the thread in the first place?:confused:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Don't know if you have noticed Bernadette, but TD is the one that is mainly bumping this thread, would have probably died a death by now otherwise.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

well stated Bernadette dont really know what all the problem is whatever the motive was does it really matter.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Thats a bit direct.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

General Chat is supposed to be a place for 'serious subjects'.

An 'I blindly support my son...whatever & get over it' thread should really be in Anything Goes.

Where are the moderators when you need 'em?

Asking for information under the Freedom of Information Act, I'll be bound.

:rolleyes::D

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Ah, I forgot...you're new here.:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

not paranoia bernie call it curiosity cos people now want "Honest Andrew" to publish both parties expenses fer comparison.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Seeing as it is free to do a FOI then anyone in this thread that thinks the results should be posted could request the information themselves and post it.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

It should not be closed, just have off topic posts cleaned up.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

The same as my motive not really mattering, when I posted that Andrew had to resit a year.

If people chose to stick their head above the parapet in the public arena, they'll have to realise there are some damn fine archers out there.;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

So far only post 541 has totally gone off topic.;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Its my understanding its all a bit childish this its like you throw a stone at me and i will throw one back have you looked at yourselves and to the person stateing only one simple person on hear well it beggers belief., is this how you conduct yourself in the public eye shame.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

It may be free to request, but the cost to the public purse for the time and money it takes for Civil Servants to carry out the task, could surely be better spent than in doing it twice.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

im sure if you want him to he will have no problem with it.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

thats true,but as its only fer a essay n andrew already has it, whats wrong wi that?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Fair enough I now leave this thread but still think if Graham was so squeaky clean why the need to raise it in the first place? Just my view but this could and should have been done in private and then if Graham could back his claims of Andrew having an ulterior motive for requesting the information well and good raise it in public:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Good.

I think we'd like that.

What deadline shall we work to?

A nice new thread, publishing all the details on here, by first thing Saturday morning?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

if ya looked at it a bit deeper, fer me theres noway he would raise it in public if there was owt to hide, especially not on here.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

If it'd been me I'd have started a thread saying the information had been requested, and wasn't it funny, coming so soon after the Tory scandal about increased expenses.

I'd have let others draw their own conclusions as to why it was requested, and by whom.:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Exactly my point way back, or at least emailing all councillors to say what he was doing.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Its interesting but does it all really matter especially if information about expensives from both sides are published although i dont think thats what Andrew intended to do so may be he wont i dont know.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

i think it does matter from the point of view of killing dead all suspicions

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

i THINK HES TO BUSY AT THE MOMENT BUT IN TIME IF YOU REQUEST IT HE PROBABLY WILL BUT I DONT NO FOR CERTAIN AS THIS INFO WAS JUST FOR RESEARCH IM SURE WILL LET YOU KNOW IF YOU REQUEST IT.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Correct me if im wrong but if it was for research only as stated would it not be wrong to publish this info as it to me then looks as some other motive was used like some think may be hes better keeping it to himself or have a got the wrong end of the stick.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

As this is what its all about.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

People i believe where suspicious to the motive but if andrew doesnt publish it as requested then to me that surely shows the real reason was for the research.and all the accusations would be wrong as to the motive.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Why should he e-mail all councillors? Bringing it into the public eye like this makes a mockery of the act in the first place IMO. Makes me wonder if it wasn't set up to cause debates like this and therefore take the focus off bigger issues.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

many doubted the reasons turkish delight as the thread has shown rightly or wrongly. if it was myself i would consider my credibility, at the end of the day public life needs it.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

It matters because it is a fact that very recently a group of Conservative Councillors on Hyndburn Borough Council chose to ignore the recommended limits for councillor's allowances, recommended allowances from an independent body, after they'd assessed our councillor's needs.

The scandal is that they chose to award themselves this increase at a time when many families are struggling to paytheir Council Tax bills because of the worldwide recession we're experiencing.

This comes a year or so after the Conservative leader of the council voted to award himself what was basically a 20% increase in what he can claim as leader.

You may think this a good example, and a reason to vote Conservative in Hyndburn. I certainly do not.

If you're interested in gaining more than a passing interest in local politics, both stories are freely available on the Accrington Observer website.

Search for 'council leader expenses', and it'll bring up both stories.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

He found time away from his studies to freely request it.

It should take very little time to freely publish it here.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Okay fair point will do.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

No just at this moment in time hes extremely busy truly thats why hes not on here much.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Call us all cynical, but people have been sniffing out Billy Bill Shutters on here since before Andrew was still in short trousers. ;)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I will ask the question now but dont all councillors politicians from all parties give themselves big increases in expenditure salaries and pensions so my guess its nothing new.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

So i dont understand the problem to much its always been this way.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

as far as i'm aware n independent bodies recommendation is usually acceptable. seems to me yer now looking fer reasons not to read the observer links, mind a couple of posts ago is a lifetime.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

enlighten me on this issue please.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Dont really read many newspapers.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

The answer to that is no.

We are most unfortunate that our's do.

The Observer stories I suggested you read, to aquaint yourself more fully with the local political scene in Hyndburn, have reports stating that neighbouring councils accept the recommended limits set by independent bodies, and have not voted to award themselves vast increases, at a time when those members of the public lucky enough to have a job are settling for increases in line with inflation...if they're lucky.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

read the observer links that will enlighten you.:)

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

anyway who is my counciller do you know

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Here you go.

Don't say I don't go out of my way to help people.

Council makes a meal of rises - News - Accrington Observer


Expenses rise sparks fury in council chamber - News - Accrington Observer

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I know this but i guess they have the power to do it and look at the national level MP ETC SO I GUESS THEIRS NOT MUCH WE CAN DO.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Personally I'd find it difficult to voice an an opinion, and pledge my vote for someone, when I knew so little of the facts.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

In my book two wrongs certainly don't make a right.

A very poor excuse.

Can you supply evidence to back up your claims about increases for national level politicans?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

i HAVE NEVER VOTED IN A LOCAL ELECTION JUST GENERAL WHERE I DO HAVE FACTS ABOUT

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

probably but even if im wrong they are on enough salary anyway and a golden hand shake pension so they dont really require it but they had to get that from somewhere in the first instance.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I'm afraid I'm not Mystic Meg, and I have no idea where you live, and therefore no idea who your councillors are.

However this information is very readily accessible, especially if you have the gumption to use a computer.

Councillors

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

and they are on really fantastic expensives

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

not to good on computers but burnley rd area top end

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

If you want to debate the pay levels and benefits for M.P.'s please start another thread.

I noticed you didn't offer any evidence to back the claims you made, when requested?

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I'm afraid than other than supplying you with the link to find your councillor, you'll have to do the next bit of research yourself.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

You could go back to school and study English & Sums and get a degree In the Del Boy School of Literacy.:D:D:confused::rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

i dont know what your getting at but again another slur on my intelligence this time how low can one get.This is i feel bang out of order. I dont need to return to school with the qualifications i already have achieved and i tell you worked hard to get them. You are a pleasant person., and again rather discriminating, why would one speak to a member of the public in this way is it any wonder you dont get votes i have shown my work colleauges and friends all that has been written on here and they are absoulutely shocked by some comments about me and stated who do these people think they are its terrible the way some of them conduct themselves. i have never come across in all my life attitudes like on here very strange to me may be its because i live in a much nicer world.My conclusion was its really because people are passionate about what they believe in and thats fine but i suggest you go back to school and learn how to relate to people how to address members of the public i think thats of more importance than sums and literacy skills.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

The freedom of information act was brought in by your Labour government. It allows anybody to make anonymous requests. Councillor Dawson for some reason believes it's his right to know who requested it, and for one I may agree with him that the law should be changed, but that is not how the law stands, and he has no right to know who it is. Graham has shown his usual irrational hatred against the Conservatives leading to errors of judgement. He has not posted on here when any other data has been requested, only when he can try and trip the Conservatives up, but then again, that's local Labour all over isn't it.

I did not have to tell you it was me who requested it, I did not even have to tell you why I requested it. If it was for mud slinging, then good, we should have a transparent expenses system. It's public money after all, if politicians are not wasting it then why are you all kicking up such a huge fuss? I'm not going into the detail of my research project, It's quite frankly, not yours as a councillor, or anybody elses businesses. Where as your expenses are peoples business.

I guess I should thank members for such an amusing thread, not so much Graham for his ill intentions, but his errors were rather amusing. This is the last I'll say on the matter.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

What Benipete said may have been rude, but as far as I'm aware he isn't a member of any elected public body, therefore isn't seeking anyone's votes. Not everyone is playing political game.

As for Andrewb saying that the above post was his last on the subject, fair enoiugh. That's his right, and I'll take his word of a man of honour that it will have been his final word.

I'll just have to presume, probably like many others on here, that by his refusal to publish the information on this forum, as requested by several non-political members, that he discovered nothing to his advantage concerning opposition councillor's expense claims, otherwise he'd have been all too happy to share the information with us.

Unlike myself, not being cynical, some might wonder if his refusal to share the information might be because, rather than uncovering dirt on the opposition, he may have discovered something embarrassing about his own party, the Conservatives.

I guess we'll never know now, unless each and everyone of us wastes public time and money on requesting the information he did, for ourselves.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I still can't grasp this thread really, I was never under the inpression that councillors exes were a secret anyway:confused::rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

This might be of interest to some of you - it is a link to Hyndburn Borough Council's Members Allowance scheme for the current year 2008/2009.


http://www.hyndburnbc.gov.uk/downloa...sScheme_1_.pdf

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

That question is a very hard one for me to answer really, as I haven't been on the knocker for many years due to Ill health. From my own point of view its not relevant as I've been a member of the Tory Party since I was 16 well before the onset of ill health. Some years ago a member of the local Labour Party wrote a letter to the Observer saying He could not understand why, a disabled person living in a council flat could vote Tory, my reply was simple, which was my disability is physical not mental and why, now that I'm a disabled person living in a council flat, not support the party I have supported since I was 16, he did not respond.

I think the thing to remember is that, as I have said many times before its not the Rich Toffs who elect Tory Governments, nor is it just the working classes that elect Labour Governments. I would think there are only 25% of the electorate who are committed to any one political Party even less now probably, its the floating voters that do that as no doubt we will see when Brown goes to the Country

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I'm pleased we agree on one point Andrew. I support the freedom of information act. But I also believe that an individual, whether they be councillor or not, also have a right to know who is seeking information on them.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Quite right Robert (why do I keep calling you Robert:D) I think this is a two edged sword, if somebody was seeking information about me I would like to know, but unfortunately I don't think this has happened in my case:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

whilst its not in the law to name who requested it n is yer right. i assume also that its not in the law that you don't:confused: ya don't have to tell anyone why ya requested it etc etc that is yer right, then if it should be a transparent expenses system, fer my money this is a classic case of "Hiding Behind The Law.":rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Politicians aren't individuals though, are they. At least not according to Mr Jones who believes that the snakes of Toryland are goading politics students into seeking out the scandals of Labour angels.

I personally believe that politicians should be exempt from the right of knowing who requests FOIs on them. They should be confident that anyone, anywhere can look at their finances and see no discrepancies. Knowing who made the request would a) achieve nothing, and b) only add fuel to the party politics fire should an opposing politician request an FOI - take for instance Mr Jones' cornered rat behaviour in this thread.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Methinks the lady doth protest too much .... you gotta admit, though, he does have a point;) And this forum most certainly is, as John Donne put it, a "little world made cunningly.":rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

And in most elections, especially General Elections, the majority of people who vote do not for for the winning party, which says a lot about our political system :rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

That's the system that served us well for many years Dave, its not perfect, but its a sight better than the carve ups they have in the States AKA GWBs first election, when they were counting everything but votes:rolleyes:

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

I agree with you wholeheartedly - here in the UK we do keep counting our votes until the results tally to the number of votes cast.

I wonder if the 2nd Gulf War would have happened if GWB had not been declared to be the President.

Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 

Hazarding a wild guess that you live on Turkey St :rolleyes:, your councillors are Graham Jones and Bernard Dawson.