Originally Posted by g jones (Post 679038)

The Freedom of Information Act is a good piece of legislation that has come in recently.

I have nothing to hide to I am pleased to tell everyone on here that AndrewB, probably on instructions from Peter Britcliffe, is doing his own personal best to make sure that my reputation remains.

Andrew has tabled an FOI on my expenses. I could have told him personally if he had contacted me first but not to worry.

It was a seedy request because The Council has ALWAYS gone to the annual LGA Conference. 3 Tories and 2 Labour. For the last 5 years I have been once and turned it down 4 times. No-one knows (or would faintly remember) that except Peter Britcliffe.

Andrews FOI is not for the 4 years I did not go. It only asks for the year I did (with Jean Battle Labour and 3 Tories). How did you know which year to pick Andrew, I am impressed!!!!!!;) We were put in a reasonable hotel, the 3 Tories refused that one and booked in a much nicer, more expensive one. I remember myself and Jean having a laugh at how they just can't stop themselves. (BTW Ring Jean Battles no is the book - anyone can ring her)

It was 4 days. The LGA pass was £204.44 for delegates. The Hotel for 4 nights was £323.40. Nice try Andrew. The best bit is the food and travel allowance I claimed was £0. Come Andrew... you asked... now have the guts to tell everyone all about me !!!!

Andrew also did a FOI for something only Peter Britcliffe knows. Mobile tariffs...... I have a big Council Mobile Phone Bill £100 month combined..... and Andrew wants to tell you all about it first as Peter Britcliffe never knew how it happened, just it did.... (How did you know to ask that question Andrew??? - Devils dirty work perhaps - the black art of politics??)

What Andrew did not FOI was my mileage or carers allowance... Peter Britcliffe knows it it is £0.

The Tories have been furiously sending FOI to County Council etc.. to dish the dirt on someone else to cover up their own policies...

Some come on Andrew, how did you know where to fire the blank bullets and where not too?? Tell all the board members your reasons for doing it and why you excluded many aspects of allowances and only asked (or was told to ask) where I had ex's!!

.. I hope you're not on that Wikipedia still :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Pathetic. Can we now get on with making this Borough great.

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 679044)

Here we go again

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 679060)

I for one think Andrew is entitled to ask the question, and Graham is entitled to answer to his expenses, and his critics, it would be nice to see an accurate account of ALL politicians claimed expenses.

Originally Posted by ClarePritchard (Post 679049)

Absolutely pathetic but I will be more than happy to do a comparison between expenses claime by Graham over the time he has been on the council and the same timescale for Peter don't always blame opposition councillors Roy, you don't know the full facts but continue to spout off about things you know nothing about

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679068)

Strange that Andrew has been on this thread and not commented?

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 679069)

Probably with good reason?

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679068)

Strange that Andrew has been on this thread and not commented?

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679070)

And that would be...?

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 679044)

Here we go again

Would it not be easier to email Anrew or even Peter directly and not involve other people in your childish pointscoring

Do you actually realise what harm you are doing your own and the parties reputation by acting is if you were in a schoolyard, he said that, he said this....

I would like my vote to someone that has an ounce of dignity....

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679076)

Roy why don't you stick to the issue that is being discussed, instead of coming out with pathetic comebacks all the time?

Well answer the question then, if you are so clever..why didn't he either confirm or deny?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 679064)

Out of interest how much does it cost to put in a FOI?

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 679078)

I think you are out of your depth...what the hell are you trying to prove?

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679083)

You are one conscending son of a ...... Who do you think you are? the big I am? What are you proving by that comment? :rolleyes:

Andrew has been "accused" if that is the word, of requesting information, the fact that he hasn't denied the fact seems telling to me.

Nickelson...Graham probably holds down a full time job as well as being a councillor, and if he sees fit to post on here in his spare time, I for one welcome it. Just a pity Britcliffe doesn't see fit to discuss issues with his "constituents", instead of letting others do it for him.

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 679090)

maybe andrew had something better to do.... sure he will reply to the thread when he has time

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679091)

Which you tend to do Roy when you can't give an answer or
add something pertinent. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679096)

You said andrew didn't reply..probably with good reason..., I asked why...you didn't reply.

Is that clear enough for you?

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 679103)

i dotn see the kerfuffle, someone (not necessarily andrew) has asked for information that the public (voters) are allowed to ask for.....if i had asked for it would these comments be aimed at me?

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 679107)

i dont see that whoever it is has done anything wrong

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 679101)

OK got that....There are several councillors who subscibe to this forum who are privy to the goings on at council meetings and are in a position, albeit biased to the polical party of their choice....In the main Labour.
I think it is sour grapes politics as is usually the case in the hope of gaining votes for the next election.
Andrew stands up for the party of his choice as I do and I dont think that is a bad thing, but to come on this forum and be slagged off for his belief in the party of his choice is not a good state of affairs.

As for being clear enough for me... I will leave that for you to decide. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 679109)

the original post did not say it was wrong if ya care to digest it proper, it said the way it was gone about was seedy, n IF it is andrew it was in my opinion.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679110)

I've never slated anyone for their politics, so that isn't the issue with me. As I said I tend to keep out of political discussions, maybe that's why you consider me out of my depth, which I consider as a slight on my intelligence. :(

But this is one that really got to me. as I said, if Andrew didn't do this, why didn't he reply whilst on thread instead of disappearing.

Can we now keep to the topic in hand now?

Originally Posted by Less (Post 679114)

I don't think it was seedy, whoever it was had the right under the act to enquire, maybe it would have appeared devious if this person had tried the direct approach and asked Graham while at the same time searching for the answer using the act so that they could compare the two answers?

I'm sure Graham was trying to indicate that he has nothing to hide by disclosing the answers here on site, but at the same time I think so long as the use of the information isn't for some illicit purpose then it is a perfectly acceptable way of gaining the information, otherwise what use is the freedom of information act?

Bet you didn't expect this from me did you? Whoever you are.

Accygate I bagsy being shortneck.

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Originally Posted by hyndburn (Post 679113)

Andrew B has asked for the expenses off all the councillors. I know this may come as a dissapointment to Concillor Jones owing to his self importance but the people of Hyndburn are getting fed up of his point scoreing.I am sure that people like me would like to see him getting on with the job he was elected to do and stop acting like a child. Perhaps Adrew B would like to ask all Councillors what special allowances they take besides their basic allowances?

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 679122)

However I would question how you know that Andrew has asked for the expenses of all councillors? Maybe its because you are a councillor yourself.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 679123)

Or perhaps Andrew told him/her? Andrew is a political student isn't he? Maybe it is some project for his course work?

IF, of course, it is him.

I'm waiting in anticipation for the horses mouth.

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 679119)

the reason i regard it as seedy is the fact that if it was andrew,then both are members on here n know that all these areas are already being discussed in live threads, so on that basis i think it sucks.:( i would add that if britcliffe or any tory councillor was a member my view would be the same.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 679125)

well IF it is, we got a true tory in the making. P.B. don't even run close.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 679128)

Nope I think that's wrong,

Why? because if the question asked was for all councillors then all the answers will be received through one source, no doubt Andrew had to fill out a form stating his request and to whom it was directed.
Wouldn't it have been unfair to single Graham out because of his membership on here instead of asking him in exactly the same manner as every other Councillor?

Originally Posted by hyndburn (Post 679113)

I am sure that people like me would like to see him getting on with the job he was elected to do and stop acting like a child.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 679131)

true if thats the case,:confused: which as only been mentioned late in this thread, is it fact?:confused: what really beats me,is if that is so,WHY did he just not say this when reading the thread, i cannot think fer one second he overlooked the oppertunity to shoot Graham Jones to bits, sorry that just don't compute with this kid.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 679123)

IF, of course, it is him.

I'm waiting in anticipation for the horses mouth.

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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 679038)

The Freedom of Information Act is a good piece of legislation that has come in recently.

I have nothing to hide to I am pleased to tell everyone on here that AndrewB, probably on instructions from Peter Britcliffe, is doing his own personal best to make sure that my reputation remains.

Andrew has tabled an FOI on my expenses. I could have told him personally if he had contacted me first but not to worry.

It was a seedy request because The Council has ALWAYS gone to the annual LGA Conference. 3 Tories and 2 Labour. For the last 5 years I have been once and turned it down 4 times. No-one knows (or would faintly remember) that except Peter Britcliffe.

Andrews FOI is not for the 4 years I did not go. It only asks for the year I did (with Jean Battle Labour and 3 Tories). How did you know which year to pick Andrew, I am impressed!!!!!!;) We were put in a reasonable hotel, the 3 Tories refused that one and booked in a much nicer, more expensive one. I remember myself and Jean having a laugh at how they just can't stop themselves. (BTW Ring Jean Battles no is the book - anyone can ring her)

It was 4 days. The LGA pass was £204.44 for delegates. The Hotel for 4 nights was £323.40. Nice try Andrew. The best bit is the food and travel allowance I claimed was £0. Come Andrew... you asked... now have the guts to tell everyone all about me !!!!

Andrew also did a FOI for something only Peter Britcliffe knows. Mobile tariffs...... I have a big Council Mobile Phone Bill £100 month combined..... and Andrew wants to tell you all about it first as Peter Britcliffe never knew how it happened, just it did.... (How did you know to ask that question Andrew??? - Devils dirty work perhaps - the black art of politics??)

What Andrew did not FOI was my mileage or carers allowance... Peter Britcliffe knows it it is £0.

The Tories have been furiously sending FOI to County Council etc.. to dish the dirt on someone else to cover up their own policies...

Some come on Andrew, how did you know where to fire the blank bullets and where not too?? Tell all the board members your reasons for doing it and why you excluded many aspects of allowances and only asked (or was told to ask) where I had ex's!!

.. I hope you're not on that Wikipedia still :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Pathetic. Can we now get on with making this Borough great.

Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 679183)

Apparently Graham he has asked the same question about me. I have never even been to a Local Government Conference.

If Andrew had asked me I would have told him that.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 679038)

The Freedom of Information Act is a good piece of legislation that has come in recently.

I have nothing to hide to I am pleased to tell everyone on here that AndrewB, probably on instructions from Peter Britcliffe, is doing his own personal best to make sure that my reputation remains.

Andrew has tabled an FOI on my expenses. I could have told him personally if he had contacted me first but not to worry.

It was a seedy request because The Council has ALWAYS gone to the annual LGA Conference. 3 Tories and 2 Labour. For the last 5 years I have been once and turned it down 4 times. No-one knows (or would faintly remember) that except Peter Britcliffe.

Andrews FOI is not for the 4 years I did not go. It only asks for the year I did (with Jean Battle Labour and 3 Tories). How did you know which year to pick Andrew, I am impressed!!!!!!;) We were put in a reasonable hotel, the 3 Tories refused that one and booked in a much nicer, more expensive one. I remember myself and Jean having a laugh at how they just can't stop themselves. (BTW Ring Jean Battles no is the book - anyone can ring her)

It was 4 days. The LGA pass was £204.44 for delegates. The Hotel for 4 nights was £323.40. Nice try Andrew. The best bit is the food and travel allowance I claimed was £0. Come Andrew... you asked... now have the guts to tell everyone all about me !!!!

Andrew also did a FOI for something only Peter Britcliffe knows. Mobile tariffs...... I have a big Council Mobile Phone Bill £100 month combined..... and Andrew wants to tell you all about it first as Peter Britcliffe never knew how it happened, just it did.... (How did you know to ask that question Andrew??? - Devils dirty work perhaps - the black art of politics??)

What Andrew did not FOI was my mileage or carers allowance... Peter Britcliffe knows it it is £0.

The Tories have been furiously sending FOI to County Council etc.. to dish the dirt on someone else to cover up their own policies...

Some come on Andrew, how did you know where to fire the blank bullets and where not too?? Tell all the board members your reasons for doing it and why you excluded many aspects of allowances and only asked (or was told to ask) where I had ex's!!

.. I hope you're not on that Wikipedia still :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Pathetic. Can we now get on with making this Borough great.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 679198)

I haven't replied until now as I had a lady over. It did provide us with a topic of conversation though.......

I don't particularly believe you've been at all rational about this. After all one has to imagine what you were trying to achieve by posting this misinformation here rather than e-mailing me. Would you have done this with another member of the public?

Originally Posted by hyndburn (Post 679113)

Andrew B has asked for the expenses off all the councillors........Perhaps Andrew B would like to ask all Councillors what special allowances they take besides their basic allowances?

Originally Posted by Ossywarrior (Post 679206)

i didnt know accyweb was a pedestal for low level politicians to sling mud, how about both sides sort the mess that is hynburn out first.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 679223)

Mud slinging is high on the priority list for some local politicians. I find it all very amusing and have even learned to stay out of it most of the time :D

Originally Posted by polly (Post 679226)

I find it sad, very sad indeed. There is so much that needs doing in the world and in Accrington and all these elected leaders can find to do is argue on here?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 679227)

Not all of them argue, some of them do work together well. Its just that time of year the mud slinging starts.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 679227)

Not all of them argue, some of them do work together well. Its just that time of year the mud slinging starts.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679188)

You should really consider changing sides, then you too might get to go to the one day jolly at the 'Rural Conference', which apparently costs us £3,000 to send three representatives from Hyndburn.;)

Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 679242)

I am quite happy not to go to any of the Conferences. Anyway would you want to spend a week in Bournemouth with Peter Britcliffe?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 679198)

I haven't replied until now as I had a lady over. It did provide us with a topic of conversation though.

Yes, it was me. I did not however, as you see it, go chasing after you with a pitchfork, perhaps you're feeling a little too self important. I actually requested all the councillors expenses. In your world you seem to believe that Mr Britcliffe is out to get you, and must be feeding me information, must be telling me to request expenses from you, must be telling me which expenses to request. As I write all my posts myself, I will have to take it as a complement that you think my posts do not originate from me. In the real world, I don't actually talk to Peter all that much. He certainly doesn't ask me to post things, and if he did, I wouldn't. He will have found out about the expenses that I requested of him, yourself, and other councillors, in the very same way you did.

I don't particularly believe you've been at all rational about this. After all one has to imagine what you were trying to achieve by posting this misinformation here rather than e-mailing me. Would you have done this with another member of the public?

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 679266)

To be fair, seeing the childish behaviour on here time and time again, I will most certainly not be voting labour in any local elections, until they come out of the school yard and act like adults. At the moment, they cant even be responsible for themselves let alone anything to do with me

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 679266)

To be fair, seeing the childish behaviour on here time and time again, I will most certainly not be voting labour in any local elections, until they come out of the school yard and act like adults. At the moment, they cant even be responsible for themselves let alone anything to do with me

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 679122)

However I would question how you know that Andrew has asked for the expenses of all councillors? Maybe its because you are a councillor yourself.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 679311)

Spot on,cashy knows.:rofl38::rofl38:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 679335)

Andrew FOI 'd the Council for one reason.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 679335)

Lets just put this into perspective.

1. I spend 99% of my time (deliberatly so) going forward and doing positive things. Eg I just spent hours getting successfully £114,000 Lottery funding for Peel Ward last week (with Bernard and Wendy).

I have had one invitee to Peel Ward already AND the upshot was "what the bloody hell is my councillor doing then!". I am not important. Let's stick to the issues.

2. I HAVE TO spend 1% of my time (reluctantly as Bagpuss who I know is not Labour - suggested) on issues like this. Andrew FOI 'd the Council for one reason.

Rather than back peddle to defend a slanted view that was unrepresentative which is what Andrew does I am happy to come clean and tell the truth up front.The 'mud slinging' accusations don't matter as they don't account for the 99% good work that I do.

The only thing that matters of course (if Hyndburn wants to be great)is The Truth. Burying one's head in the sand to these people will not achieve that.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 679344)

That's not what information came to me. You have two returns. Mobile Phone and Conference 07/08?

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 679358)

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you "Thread of the YEAR!!!"

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 679311)

Spot on,cashy knows.:rofl38::rofl38:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 679392)

I appreciate that residents can speak at meetings of Area Council, but these meetings are regarded by many residents as 'talking shops' with all the decisions arrived at by the elected members prior tot he meeting.

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 679358)

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you "Thread of the YEAR!!!"

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 679393)

I don't agree with that. I have been to many of The Ossy ones and people sometimes ask questions at the meeting that are not pre answered. Most questions are asked first by post, email etc. This is a good idea as many questions can not be answered with research. A lot of questions tend to be asked about traffic and parking issues which need to be taken up with LCC.

I have also recentlyish seen a decision change from that planned after taking into account the discussion at the meeting.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679287)

Even Andrewb's friends on Facebook are impressed that he knew which years to request information for.:rolleyes:

:D

Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 679412)

That is really the key question. I would not have known which year to ask for and am councillor

I think is there is probably about 3 or 4 people who would have known. I know who my money is on.

Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 679405)

Neil That's what area councils should be doing, the problem is in the council itself. There is no opportunity for councillors who not in the cabinet to ask questions on any subject, and that includes Tory councillors.

It is partly down to changes in local government, that replaced the old committee system with an all powerful cabinet. But has to be said that Peter has to take some of the blame. He just will not let any councillor speak or ask questions.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 679417)

Andrew, I see you don't want to answer my question about members of the public being able to ask questions at the meetings of HBC Cabinet, as they can in both Blackburn with Darwen and Pendle Councils.

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 679416)

I would think that statement to be far more open to discussion than claiming a few bob?..........It is not my idea of democracy. :confused:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 679418)

No I didn't, go and ask Mr Britcliffe, I'm not his mouthpiece.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 679420)

I am not saying you are his mouthpiece but as a student of politics I would have thought you would have some view on the matter.

I, personally, think it is an excelent idea.

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 679416)

It is not my idea of democracy. :confused: