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cashman 20-02-2009 00:30
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682812)
Well cashman I will certainly look into the black hole when home. Fact is it happened, and nobody can doubt that, what they have managed to achieve from what they started with is fantastic. This must be one of the reasons the independent audit commission labelled them an excellent council.
funny how independents are gospel.......until it comes to expenses, then they don't matter.:rolleyes:

garinda 20-02-2009 00:30
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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 682754)
This is a something I asked Andrew to answer, when he sent me a private message earlier, but he doesn't appear to want to provide an answer.

Maybe you would like to tell me how Peter Britcliffe last year claimed Members Allowances of £27760.59 which is over twice as much as the highest paid member of Rossendale BC, when Hazel Harding (who is leader of LCC -which has a budget of millons of pounds and provide 72% of the services in Hyndburn and the other district councils in Lancashire) only had member's allowances of £39983.
Here is a link to LCC member's allowances for 2007 to 2008

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/corpora...oc.asp?id=5295

The average household income in Church ward is £22K, it is obscene that Peter Britcliffe is claiming so much in allowances.

I would be interested in what thoughts the rest of you have about it.
£27,760.59 per annum?

...and the greedy bleeder is quibbling that he can't survive on the subsistance allowance that was recommended by an independent body?

No wonder the people of Hyndburn are getting sick and fed up with the people at the helm of H.B.C., as they try to scrape the money together to pay their council tax bills, which have to fund these increases.

I bet a lot of people would like to chose what they decide they are worth, and award themselves what equalled a 20% pay increase only the other year.

Nice work if you can get it.

To the people of Hyndburn who didn't vote for Cllr. Britcliffe, and have him as their council leader, on behalf of the ward that did elect him, I apologise.

garinda 20-02-2009 00:35
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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 682766)
I thought The Leader claimed;
1. Basic 2. Leader 3. Cabinet 4. Judicial Chair 5. Area Council Chair 6.Chair Licensing which came to around £36,000, excluding travel, conferences, mobile, child care.
Oh, I posted before I got to this bit.

So it may well be £36,000?

Ladies and gentlemen do we have any other bids higher than thirty six thousand pounds?

No wonder he left teaching, and closed his frock shop.

garinda 20-02-2009 00:39
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682785)
too much knowledge is dangerous.
Perhaps you should have taught your son that, then he might not have wanted information about councillor's expenses.

Still, I think it's sweet you're making up for lost time, and supporting your son.

garinda 20-02-2009 00:45
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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 682790)
You would be advised to stick to issues. Joan simply made a factual point. Whilst you're here and you have dished out a critique of local Labour.

I asked what is the most positive thing the Conservatives have done locally (given they have been pulling the purse strings and trusted with making the decisions for the last decade)?

I published Labour's big achievements which I take it you think are good because you have chosen not to criticise.

As Kim puts in her SMS to me... waiting.......!! It's been 2 days and nothing, not even the great Jaysay has answered for you. Spouting is easy, doing, that's different.
At least I answered the question.

The lovely towers of flowers are the best thing that they've done for Hyndburn, of course.

Quite an achievment for them.

Happily it didn't need a costly questionnaire for (the ones lucky enough to receive one) them to decide if we needed them.

They managed it all on their own.

garinda 20-02-2009 00:52
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682810)
I always thought you were good at reading. Perhaps you've been at the wine. :D
Besides a glass of Champagne on Christmas Day, I haven't had a drink since my last holiday in September.

I like to keep a clear head, so that what I post is as clear as I can make it, in case I myself ever posted something, and then in a moment of weakness went back on my word.

Happily I always, always keep my word, and by doing so the people I know know they can trust what I say completely.;)

garinda 20-02-2009 00:56
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682811)
I'd love for Labour to prove Hyndburn council tax is the highest Cashy. ;)
Labour don't have to.

The Daily Telegraph did that, then published it for all the world to see, bringing great shame and sadness on the poor borough.

Mancie 20-02-2009 01:06
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682828)
Labour don't have to.

The Daily Telegraph did that, then published it for all the world to see, bringing great shame and sadness on the poor borough.
Hydburn is a "poor" borough... come on.. I don't see that when I visit... not wealhy but not poor..

Eric 20-02-2009 01:09
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682785)
If you personally choose not to trust me absoulutely fine no problem with that issue.I am not on here to be judged by anyone. yes knowledge is power but equally too much knowledge is dangerous.
"Too much knowledge is dangerous"? Are you sure you got this one the right way round. Maybe you should read Pope ... Alexander that is. And I'm afraid I don't quite see the equation in your logic.:confused: Of course, you could be thinking of Shakespeare .... I'll wing this one 'cause I don't want to go searching for my copy of JC: "Let me have men about me that are fat,/Sleek headed men, such as sleep at night/Yon Cassius (or Ali) has a lean and hungry look,/He thinks too much./Such men are dangerous." But in this sense the thinking man, the one with the knowledge, is dangerous to those who wish, altho' denying it, for power. Not the power that comes from knowledge, but political power. In other words, to say that knowledge is dangerous, is, in most cases, to utter horse manure.:rolleyes:

Have a nice day;)

Well that's enough pedantry for one night.:D

garinda 20-02-2009 01:14
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 682831)
Hydburn is a "poor" borough... come on.. I don't see that when I visit... not wealhy but not poor..
Poor meaning it was shaming and pitful to be labelled in the national press as having the most expensive Council Tax in the country.;)

(See definition number 8.)

poor (phttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/oobreve.gifr)adj. poor·er, poor·est 1. Having little or no wealth and few or no possessions.
2. Lacking in a specified resource or quality: an area poor in timber and coal; a diet poor in calcium.
3. Not adequate in quality; inferior: a poor performance.
4. a. Lacking in value; insufficient: poor wages.
b. Lacking in quantity: poor attendance.

5. Lacking fertility: poor soil.
6. Undernourished; lean.
7. Humble: a poor spirit.
8. Eliciting or deserving pity; pitiable.

Mancie 20-02-2009 01:16
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no "poor" area could elect a Tory council.. not enough "working" class people would be interested in voting....and the hard core Tory voters that live in a little world of there own illusions find it hard to even encourage the hard Tory core to vote.. as said before the political sway changes over a period of years... but a hard core Tory is excatly that.. hard core.. no matter what they destroy they remain hard core..they must be destroyed.. simple as that.. by fair means or foul

garinda 20-02-2009 01:18
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 682832)
"Too much knowledge is dangerous"? Are you sure you got this one the right way round. Maybe you should read Pope ... Alexander that is. And I'm afraid I don't quite see the equation in your logic.
Just a guess, but from what I've read, I doubt logic, along with knowledge, is a highly prized attribute.

garinda 20-02-2009 01:22
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 682836)
no "poor" area could elect a Tory council.. not enough "working" class people would be interested in voting....and the hard core Tory voters that live in a little world of there own illusions find it hard to even encourage the hard Tory core to vote.. as said before the political sway changes over a period of years... but a hard core Tory is excatly that.. hard core.. no matter what they destroy they remain hard core..they must be destroyed.. simple as that.. by fair means or foul
We're not having this discussion again.

Been there done that, a couple of nights ago....perhaps you don't recall?

As much as you might dislike it, safe working class seat, after traditional working class seat, deserted Labour, sweeping Thatcher into power.

Mancie 20-02-2009 01:25
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I'ts of course not for me to comment on wether a couincil should be Tory/labour nay liberal... local people tend to vote for the local issues whatever party...but to imagine a Tory party at Nation level taking control of this nation is at the best frightening.. at the worst when you include Andrew.. a death penalty

garinda 20-02-2009 01:30
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 682840)
I'ts of course not for me to comment on wether a couincil should be Tory/labour nay liberal... local people tend to vote for the local issues whatever party...but to imagine a Tory party at Nation level taking control of this nation is at the best frightening.. at the worst when you include Andrew.. a death penalty
Still, you've got other worries to ponder, after voting bumbling Boris as your Mayor of London.

cashman 20-02-2009 02:23
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 682809)
well andrew you have stated it........ claytonender is questioning it.... my challenge is "Prove It" show everyone if you are correct. please.:)
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682812)
Well cashman I will certainly look into the black hole when home. Fact is it happened, and nobody can doubt that, what they have managed to achieve from what they started with is fantastic. This must be one of the reasons the independent audit commission labelled them an excellent council.
pleased yer gonna look into this given time, the only Fact i can see here is, i had assumed you were talking Hearsay in the first instance,the Fact is- my assumption was correct.;)

Mancie 20-02-2009 03:26
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Whoever it is and who cares the relationship.. it's boils down to those that oppose the Tories and those who do not..I hate you Tories.. I don't care how nice you are in real life ..I hate you,,, so Andrew and his mum..and whoever else has got the balls as a Tory to come here.. i hate your guts.. nothing personal!

claytonender 20-02-2009 07:35
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 682831)
Hydburn is a "poor" borough... come on.. I don't see that when I visit... not wealhy but not poor..
Mancie there are parts of Hyndburn, which are some of the most deprived in the country. Next time you are Hyndburn take a look round Church ward and you will see why it is offically classed as 'poor'.
There are some wonderful people live in Church who are working very hard to improve the area but are having to do it with one hand tied behind there back. Myself and the other Church councillor, have over the last week been trying to get some problems sorted out in the Church Kirk area, but from the responses I have been getting fromt his 'Excellent Council' I might as well try plaiting swadust, as I would probably be more successful.

By the way Mancie I agree with your posts about a national Tory government especially for some areas of the country it doesn't bear thinking about.

andrewb 20-02-2009 07:51
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682834)
Poor meaning it was shaming and pitful to be labelled in the national press as having the most expensive Council Tax in the country.;)
Since you keep quoting the press, can we just have a simple answer from you, do you believe our council tax is the most important in the country, yes or no?

I know giving your own belief will be hard, rather than referencing a newspaper article out of context, but since you're so passionate about it I'm sure you'll manage. Then again, Claytonender continuously ignores the question. Perhaps they've stopped trying to purposely mislead people, now its just error of omission.

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:01
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 682854)
pleased yer gonna look into this given time, the only Fact i can see here is, i had assumed you were talking Hearsay in the first instance,the Fact is- my assumption was correct.;)
Perhaps you should re-read the post then, because I didn't actually blame anyone, blinkers can help read things that are not there. ;) I simply stated that the council had a black hole and they've done a fantastic job to turn that around into an excellent council in 2008. :)

garinda 20-02-2009 08:03
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682878)
Since you keep quoting the press, can we just have a simple answer from you, do you believe our council tax is the most important in the country, yes or no?
In answer to your question the answer is of course no.

I think the majority of people in the county would consider the most 'important' Council Tax in the country to be the one they are having to find the money to actually pay, and that applies nationwide.

Simple enough for you?

Like I say, when you actually start earning, and paying out a fair old whack of it in Council Tax, you might be in a better position to judge for yourself if what you pay, and what you get back in the way of services, is deemed to be good value.

I bet there's many people in Hyndburn, who have a lot less income then Cllr. Britcliffe, who also think what they pay out as a percentage of their income doesn't represent good value for money, especially when it comes to funding the ever increasing expenses of our council leader.

Neil 20-02-2009 08:08
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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 682699)
Can I just enlighten you about something that is the Rishton's councillors are attempting to get started in Rishton (in fact the first meeting took place last night). They are attempting to set up Neighbourhood Management in Rishton, with the help of the Area Council staff, but without any funding from HBC being available.
I have heard this term mentioned before. Please can you explain what it is all about and how it is different than the current Area Council. I thought that Rishton's Area Council was one of the more successful ones.

What will they be doing that the Area Council is not or could not be doing?

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:11
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682887)
In answer to your question the answer is of course no.
Thank-you for admitting Labour are wrong on this one. I wish they had the same honesty as you.

Shame that you believe I cannot comment, when I'm comparing how nationally council tax has gone up over 100% in 10 years where as ours just 45%, simply because I get a discount due to my status. I believe that students, disabled and the arguments of one person living alone are just as valid, despite them all getting discounts.

Neil 20-02-2009 08:18
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682802)
Well Mr Positive himself has started this thread. While you ask though, low council tax, half the increases of the rest of the country. This gives every household more money in their pockets to spend. I think this is really important to people.
I would not mind paying more if we actually got more for our money.

Just recently in this area I have started to notice the condition of our roads. I drive over Guide to the motorway to work and I can't believe how bad that road is. The surface has half gone. We also have a growing number of bad pot holes appearing as well. I am fed up with the big wagons destroying our back streets because someone bought massive ones to save money.

I could go on and on but today I am in a happy mood :)

garinda 20-02-2009 08:19
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682890)
Thank-you for admitting Labour are wrong on this one. I wish they had the same honesty as you.

Shame that you believe I cannot comment, when I'm comparing how nationally council tax has gone up over 100% in 10 years where as ours just 45%, simply because I get a discount due to my status. I believe that students, disabled and the arguments of one person living alone are just as valid, despite them all getting discounts.
Er...I didn't say anyone was 'wrong'.

I answered your question as to whether I thought Hyndburn's was the most important Council Tax in the country, which I don't.

Every borough's Council Tax is as important as the next, when it comes to finding the money to pay the bill, as one day, wherever that might be, you'll hopefully understand when you too are scraping the money together to pay it.

Happily for you ivory towers are zero rated at the moment, when it comes to Council Tax.

garinda 20-02-2009 08:23
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 682891)
I would not mind paying more if we actually got more for our money.

Just recently in this area I have started to notice the condition of our roads. I drive over Guide to the motorway to work and I can't believe how bad that road is. The surface has half gone. We also have a growing number of bad pot holes appearing as well. I am fed up with the big wagons destroying our back streets because someone bought massive ones to save money.

I could go on and on but today I am in a happy mood :)
I agree, the roads are in a terrible state, and are getting worse after being gritted so much because of the weather.

Not laying the blame at anyone's door, but I suspect L.C.C. are in charge of road maintenance.

The potholes are so bad in some places they could result in someone being killed.

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:24
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682892)
Er...I didn't say anyone was 'wrong'.

I answered your question as to whether I thought Hyndburn's was the most important Council Tax in the country, which I don't.

Every borough's Council Tax is as important as the next, when it comes to finding the money to pay the bill, as one day, wherever that might be, you'll hopefully understand when you too are scraping the money together to pay it.

Happily for you ivory towers are zero rated at the moment, when it comes to Council Tax.
Stupid mistake I made. Do you think our council tax is the most expensive, yes or no?

Neil 20-02-2009 08:24
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682816)
£27,760.59 per annum?

...and the greedy bleeder is quibbling that he can't survive on the subsistance allowance that was recommended by an independent body?
The amount of money he gets in expenses has nothing to do with subsistance. The issue for me is that he should not have to spend his own money when away on business. I don't and I don't think anyone should have to.


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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682816)
No wonder the people of Hyndburn are getting sick and fed up with the people at the helm of H.B.C., as they try to scrape the money together to pay their council tax bills, which have to fund these increases.
The bigger issue in my opinion is not the Councillors but the Officers that are the problem with Hyndburn and probably many Councils.

Neil 20-02-2009 08:26
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682818)
Ladies and gentlemen do we have any other bids higher than thirty six thousand pounds?
While we are getting excited about money would anyone like to post how much David Wellsby and Steve Tanti are paid by us Council Tax payers?

For those who don't know they are the top two at the Council.

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 08:27
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682821)
Perhaps you should have taught your son that, then he might not have wanted information about councillor's expenses.

Still, I think it's sweet you're making up for lost time, and supporting your son.
Getting personal again try some other tatic please or are you running out of ideas is this the only way you can defend your party. Making up for lost time, I doubt it?

garinda 20-02-2009 08:28
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682895)
Stupid mistake I made. Do you think our council tax is the most expensive, yes or no?
You're making quite a few of those lately, but in answer to your question no...not this year.

garinda 20-02-2009 08:34
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682898)
Getting personal again try some other tatic please or are you running out of ideas is this the only way you can defend your party. Making up for lost time, I doubt it?
Er...what party?

If you'd been reading this thread properly you'd have see that I've posted more than once that I'm not a member of any political party, nor have I ever been. I've also said historically that I haven't always voted the same way.

So I'd be very interested for you to tell me what party you refer to?

The supporting your son/lost time refers to the time spent apart since Andrew's moved to Hull, by the way.

As for running 'ideas' I think that's more evident when people start posting things that they've completely made up, as in my 'party'.;)

Neil 20-02-2009 08:35
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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 682874)
Mancie there are parts of Hyndburn, which are some of the most deprived in the country. Next time you are Hyndburn take a look round Church ward and you will see why it is offically classed as 'poor'.
There are some wonderful people live in Church who are working very hard to improve the area but are having to do it with one hand tied behind there back.
Unfortunately for Church you also have people at the opposite end as well. You have people that won't do anything to help the area.

Do you think that we should be helping people who don't want to help themselves?

What do you think needs to be done in the area?

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:35
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682899)
You're making quite a few of those lately, but in answer to your question no...not this year.
Good. :) Lets hope Labour can say it too. All together now... :D

garinda 20-02-2009 08:38
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Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682898)
Getting personal again try some other tatic please or are you running out of ideas is this the only way you can defend your party. Making up for lost time, I doubt it?
Unlike your little boy I'm totally free to say what I think, and follow no party line.

If I think something's good or bad, I'm in the position to honestly give my own opinion on the matter.

That's where others can fall down.

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:40
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682904)
I'm totally free to say what I think, and follow no party line.
As am I. :) We're in the same position, great!

garinda 20-02-2009 08:43
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682902)
Good. :) Lets hope Labour can say it too. All together now... :D
I've not seen them say anything on the mater.

They did quote the story the Daily Telegraph published, but that was the other year.

If you want to start obsessing about the Daily Telegraph's story again please use the appropriate thread, and not this one.

garinda 20-02-2009 08:45
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682905)
As am I. :) We're in the same position, great!
We'll leave others decide who is more able to post the most freely.

People aren't as daft as you seem to think they are.

;)

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:46
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682907)
We'll leave others decide who is more able to post the most freely.

People aren't as daft as you seem to think they are.

;)
Well I didn't think you were daft but you seem to think fact, logic, reason and context mean nothing if you can blindly read a newspaper article. Shame your Britcliffe blinkers have to keep getting in the way. ;)

garinda 20-02-2009 08:50
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682908)
Well I didn't think you were daft but you seem to think fact, logic, reason and context mean nothing if you can blindly read a newspaper article. Shame your Britcliffe blinkers have to keep getting in the way. ;)
Again, as stated earlier, my gob would be firmly closed as far as criticism was concerned, if I thought the leader of our council was doing a good job.

The simple fact is I don't think he's doing a good job, and people are having to pay more to fund his ever growing expenses for the privilige.

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:52
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682906)

They did quote the story the Daily Telegraph published, but that was the other year.

If you want to start obsessing about the Daily Telegraph's story again please use the appropriate thread, and not this one.
I do find that quite bizarre. If you use the same formula the Telegraph used, you'd get a similar figure this year. Glad you've changed your mind and started to include context this year though. ;) Labour might have a point if our council tax bandings were mostly D in Hyndburn, in reality they're A and B. You think they'd know more about the wards they represent.

garinda 20-02-2009 08:53
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682900)
Er...what party?

If you'd been reading this thread properly you'd have see that I've posted more than once that I'm not a member of any political party, nor have I ever been. I've also said historically that I haven't always voted the same way.

So I'd be very interested for you to tell me what party you refer to?

The supporting your son/lost time refers to the time spent apart since Andrew's moved to Hull, by the way.

As for running 'ideas' I think that's more evident when people start posting things that they've completely made up, as in my 'party'.;)
Still no information as to the party I'm in?

I really would love to know.

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 08:55
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[quote=garinda;682904]Unlike your little boy I'm totally free to say what I think, and follow no party line.

If I think something's good or bad, I'm in the position to honestly give my own opinion on the matter.

That's where others can fall down.[/quote What are you suggesting here in your first sentance clarify please and just who are the others who are falling down?

garinda 20-02-2009 08:55
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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682910)
I do find that quite bizarre. If you use the same formula the Telegraph used, you'd get a similar figure this year. Glad you've changed your mind and started to include context this year though. ;) Labour might have a point if our council tax bandings were mostly D in Hyndburn, in reality they're A and B. You think they'd know more about the wards they represent.
Although you disagreed with how the Daily Telegraph arrived at their conclusion, they've never printed a retraction about the story they published.

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:56
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682909)
Again, as stated earlier, my gob would be firmly closed as far as criticism was concerned, if I thought the leader of our council was doing a good job.

The simple fact is I don't think he's doing a good job, and people are having to pay more to fund his ever growing expenses for the privilige.
He does a hard job, with very long hours, and has kept our council tax down by half the national average. Councillors voted on taking second allowances for additional roles, this is where the pay increase came from. Graham said 'why should he get more money for doing the things hes always done' perhaps Graham now realises that its hard work and a lot of effort, perhaps that's why Graham is now taking second allowances too.

andrewb 20-02-2009 08:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682913)
Although you disagreed with how the Daily Telegraph arrived at their conclusion, they've never printed a retraction about the story they published.
I didn't disagree with the way they arrived at it at all. I disagreed with Graham taking it out of context to win votes.

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 08:57
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682911)
Still no information as to the party I'm in?

I really would love to know.
Actually i must have been mis-informed on that one sorry to get it wrong.:)

garinda 20-02-2009 09:02
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Please get Andrew to show you how to quote, but in answer to your question, Andrew is a member of a political party, unlike myself, which means I don't give a damn if I'm praising or criticising the political left, or the political right.

I'm free to comment on right or wrong as I see it period.

Freed from any political agenda.

Simple enough to understand.

garinda 20-02-2009 09:04
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682914)
He does a hard job, with very long hours, and has kept our council tax down by half the national average. Councillors voted on taking second allowances for additional roles, this is where the pay increase came from. Graham said 'why should he get more money for doing the things hes always done' perhaps Graham now realises that its hard work and a lot of effort, perhaps that's why Graham is now taking second allowances too.
Like I say, when you start having to fund his ever inceasing allowances yourself, you might be in a better position to judge his worth.

garinda 20-02-2009 09:05
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682916)
Actually i must have been mis-informed on that one sorry to get it wrong.:)
Thank you.

As stated earlier, knowledge is power.

;)

andrewb 20-02-2009 09:07
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682917)
Andrew is a member of a political party,
proof please? :D

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 09:07
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682917)
Please get Andrew to show you how to quote, but in answer to your question, Andrew is a member of a political party, unlike myself, which means I don't give a damn if I'm praising or criticising the political left, or the political right.

I'm free to comment on right or wrong as I see it period.

Freed from any political agenda.

Simple enough to understand.
Now youve made it so clear to me and simple i think i get it.

garinda 20-02-2009 09:09
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682916)
Actually i must have been mis-informed on that one sorry to get it wrong.:)
Though it does now make me wonder what other things you may similarly have been 'misinformed' about, regarding the issues raised in this thread, if you'd been informed that I was a member of some myserious 'party'.

garinda 20-02-2009 09:12
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682922)
Now youve made it so clear to me and simple i think i get it.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on somethings.

I'm pleased you've joined the forum, and although I don't always agree with what you've posted, I've found your point of view interesting to read.

:)

garinda 20-02-2009 09:14
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682921)
proof please? :D
I'd link your blog as proof, but I don't think it is suitable reading for impressionable youngsters.:D

andrewb 20-02-2009 09:17
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682926)
I'd link your blog as proof, but I don't think it is suitable reading for impressionable youngsters.:D
I don't think my blog states that I am a member of a political party.

Royboy39 20-02-2009 09:18
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 682901)
Unfortunately for Church you also have people at the opposite end as well. You have people that won't do anything to help the area.

Do you think that we should be helping people who don't want to help themselves?

What do you think needs to be done in the area?
I think you may have to wait for the answer to that one Neil.

Garinda is still on his 'Soapbox' :rolleyes:

garinda 20-02-2009 09:26
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 682928)
I think you may have to wait for the answer to that one Neil.

Garinda is still on his 'Soapbox' :rolleyes:
...and since the question wasn't directed at me, but at a Church councillor, Claytonender, there I shall remain.

At least my soapbox isn't costing the good people of Hyndburn a penny for me to stand on.

;)

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 09:27
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682925)
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on somethings.

I'm pleased you've joined the forum, and although I don't always agree with what you've posted, I've found your point of view interesting to read.

:)
I really appreciate that comments Cheers.:)

garinda 20-02-2009 09:32
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682931)
I really appreciate that comments Cheers.:)
If the Accy Web awards do go ahead this year, I certainly think you're up for nomination if they have a Most Promising Newcomer catagory.

:D

turkishdelight 20-02-2009 09:39
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Hi Gary i admit now im not very computer literate reason for giving a response here, I really appreciate your comments and cant thank you enough i think i have read you wrong which is very un-like me i clearly understand you now and you have my utter most respect now sent sincerely Kind Regards Janet.

garinda 20-02-2009 09:45
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 682937)
Hi Gary i admit now im not very computer literate reason for giving a response here, I really appreciate your comments and cant thank you enough i think i have read you wrong which is very un-like me i clearly understand you now and you have my utter most respect now sent sincerely Kind Regards Janet.
Thank you, and the same goes visa versa.

I think that's the beauty of Accy Web, you can agree to disagree about somethings, but still respect someone else's point of view.

The fact that Andrew and myself won't ever agree on certain things, doesn't stop me from liking him as a person, and counting him as a valued friend.

garinda 20-02-2009 10:34
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682909)
Again, as stated earlier, my gob would be firmly closed as far as criticism was concerned, if I thought the leader of our council was doing a good job.

The simple fact is I don't think he's doing a good job, and people are having to pay more to fund his ever growing expenses for the privilige.
...and if you notice nowhere on this forum have I ever criticised Cllr. Britcliffe's abilities as a ward councillor.

I've only offered my praise for the work he does for St. Andrews ward.

;)

garinda 20-02-2009 10:47
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 682896)
The bigger issue in my opinion is not the Councillors but the Officers that are the problem with Hyndburn and probably many Councils.
I might be wrong, but wouldn't Council Officers, be classed as Civil Servants, and thus be paid on a national pay scale, and therefore aren't paid for directly by the raising of local taxes?

As to the worth of some top Civil Servants, in relation to the amount they are paid, that really is a different issue, and perhaps one deserving it's own thread.

cashman 20-02-2009 12:20
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682886)
Perhaps you should re-read the post then, because I didn't actually blame anyone, blinkers can help read things that are not there. ;) I simply stated that the council had a black hole and they've done a fantastic job to turn that around into an excellent council in 2008. :)
perhaps you should re-read? i never said you blamed anyone:confused: i said i look forward to yer proving it. think yer getting a complex.:D

MargaretR 20-02-2009 12:43
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682977)
I might be wrong, but wouldn't Council Officers, be classed as Civil Servants, and thus be paid on a national pay scale, and therefore aren't paid for directly by the raising of local taxes?

As to the worth of some top Civil Servants, in relation to the amount they are paid, that really is a different issue, and perhaps one deserving it's own thread.
The Civil Service does not cover Town Hall/local gov employees - so I can only presume their pay comes out of council Tax

andrewb 20-02-2009 13:04
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 682994)
perhaps you should re-read? i never said you blamed anyone:confused: i said i look forward to yer proving it. think yer getting a complex.:D
Well cashy its fact that we had an almost 2 million pound black hole in our finances. I don't think anyone will disagree with that.

shakermaker 20-02-2009 13:10
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 682790)
Spouting is easy, doing, that's different.
Try taking your own advice Mr Jones. Squabbling on here isn't doing you any favours whatsoever.
I'm all for councillors coming on here if they have something constructive to say, like how they are improving local issues (not going on about what the other party isn't doing), or replying to a question from a Hyndburn resident. Your posts in this thread however have been nothing but irritating garble from an uber-defensive stance in a political party war that only exists in your head.

garinda 20-02-2009 13:33
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 682999)
The Civil Service does not cover Town Hall/local gov employees - so I can only presume their pay comes out of council Tax
You are right, and some of the salaries seem shocking.

Council which pays chief executive Andrea Hill more than Prime Minister Gordon Brown now splashes out on press officer - Telegraph

So who decides the pay scale in each borough?

g jones 20-02-2009 15:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 683007)
Try taking your own advice Mr Jones. Squabbling on here isn't doing you any favours whatsoever.
I'm all for councillors coming on here if they have something constructive to say, like how they are improving local issues (not going on about what the other party isn't doing), or replying to a question from a Hyndburn resident. Your posts in this thread however have been nothing but irritating garble from an uber-defensive stance in a political party war that only exists in your head.
I am not going to get in to a slanging match with you. I have said there is a lot of positives that could be done (and are not). You seem obsessed by some fake local celebrity culture rather than making a difference. (it would be nice if you could write a post that didn't have my name it for a start).

I have appealed to you to look at the positives.

My view is not exclusively party political. All the big suggestions have come from Labour in control (a decade ago) and Labour in opposition (the last 10 years). If that is so horrendously wrong, say exactly how it is wrong. Be honest and stick to the issues. Take responsibility (something you seem to shy away from all the time) and challenge what is best for me, you and everyone else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 683007)
nothing but irritating garble from an uber-defensive stance in a political party war that only exists in your head.
The gulf in ideas between Labour, Independents and Conservatives is massive in Hyndburn (unlike Westminster). The above statement is the opposite of the truth.

jaysay 20-02-2009 16:07
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 683007)
Try taking your own advice Mr Jones. Squabbling on here isn't doing you any favours whatsoever.
I'm all for councillors coming on here if they have something constructive to say, like how they are improving local issues (not going on about what the other party isn't doing), or replying to a question from a Hyndburn resident. Your posts in this thread however have been nothing but irritating garble from an uber-defensive stance in a political party war that only exists in your head.
I have resisted posting a lot on this thread, but I must say Shakermaker your spot on, karma on its way:mosher:

shakermaker 20-02-2009 16:11
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones
it would be nice if you could write a post that didn't have my name it for a start
Don't flatter yourself. You made this thread all about you and your wayward accusations. Don't dodge the bullet now. As you say, "Be honest and stick to the issues."

Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones
My view is not exclusively party political. All the big suggestions have come from Labour in control (a decade ago) and Labour in opposition (the last 10 years). If that is so horrendously wrong, say exactly how it is wrong.
Who cares which party comes up with the best ideas as long as they get done? As much as I dislike Peter Britcliffe*, he and his party must be doing something right. You claim that the only "big ideas" (whether they are good or not is unclear in your post) come from Labour. Sorry to be simplistic, but if that is true why have Labour been in opposition for a decade?
If Labour are this glowing positive force for change, why are you taking part in mudslinging here?

One of the reasons why people are so apathetic about voting these days is because of all this party politics crap. Rather than being an ideological debate forum, we have candidates who are on opposite cheeks of the same hairy ass.

By all accounts in 'the real world' you are a hard working person who does good work for his ward. What I am trying to point out, what you are not 'getting', is that the way you've portrayed yourself on here goes against your work and makes you seem sleazy, untrustworthy and only concerned with gunning down anything to do with the Conservative party. All the while maintaining that you are a 'doer' rather than a 'spouter'.

*I dislike Peter Britcliffe mainly because of his sleazy attitude towards my football team, Accrington Stanley. It may seem simplistic to you, but it is not - as you infer all my opinions to be - because I am living up to 'a fake local celebrity culture'.

lancsdave 20-02-2009 16:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 683146)
Rather than being an ideological debate forum, we have candidates who are on opposite cheeks of the same hairy ass.

Did you squeeze this one in to coincide with the accyweb awards. If it doesn't get an award for funniest put down at least your going to get some karma for it :D

Edited to say you can have some karma when I can give it

yerself 20-02-2009 16:25
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones
You seem obsessed by some fake local celebrity culture rather than making a difference. (it would be nice if you could write a post that didn't have my name it for a start).
Excellent stuff. Has anyone read a post from g jones that didn't have either Peter Britcliffe's or andrewb's name in?:rolleyes:

jaysay 20-02-2009 16:41
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 683162)
Excellent stuff. Has anyone read a post from g jones that didn't have either Peter Britcliffe's or andrewb's name in?:rolleyes:
I feel insulted yerself, he tries to drag me into it as well, only he doesn't use my screen name he gets all personal and uses my christian name:D:rolleyes:

garinda 20-02-2009 17:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 683146)

*I dislike Peter Britcliffe mainly because of his sleazy attitude towards my football team, Accrington Stanley. It may seem simplistic to you, but it is not - as you infer all my opinions to be - because I am living up to 'a fake local celebrity culture'.
That's your opinion, and fair enough, but I find myself in the strange position of defending Cllr. Britcliffe here.

He's always been open that he's a Rovers supporter, but he's certainly used his column in the Observer to urge people to support Accrington Stanley, and I've seen him myself watching up at Stanley, probably when Blackburn were playing away, but hey he was there.

When Stanley won promotion back into the Football League, as far as I was concerned the event was met with enough civic celebration as the promotion deserved. I'm sure there would have been more of an outcry if H.B.C. hadn't marked the historic occasion with the parade and civic reception etc.

When all's said and done Accrington Stanley are a privately owned football club and business. I'm sure there are many other businesses in Hyndburn, many employing more people than Accrington Stanley, who'd love the chance to be supported with tax payers money to the tune of £84,000, no matter how mutually benefical an arrangement it is.

I'm sure that I'm not going to change your opinion, but I really felt in fairness I had to post that why you dislike him is wrong.

Stanley defend council cash injection - News - Accrington Observer

garinda 20-02-2009 17:28
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Can any councillor show details of how the Council Tax is allocated to the various places it goes to, especially H.B.C.'s share that is paid to Council Officers etc?

I can't find anything about it.

Thank you.

Bernard Dawson 20-02-2009 17:32
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How has this thread got from the freedom of information act, to the mighty Stanley?

claytonender 20-02-2009 17:40
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 683162)
Excellent stuff. Has anyone read a post from g jones that didn't have either Peter Britcliffe's or andrewb's name in?:rolleyes:


Re: Looking for a Nice place to Eat in the Accy area
Have you tried places like Checco's at Great Harwood? La Varanda on the way into Haslingden is good. Went to Hordens (Horden Vale Hotel off Grane Road Haslingden) recently. That was top class. Very nice. ...Or alternatively carry along the Grane to the £3.50 Carvery overlooking the reservoir.

This is a post by Graham Jones that didn't mention either Peter Britcliffe or Andrew's name. (It is post 34 in the thread)

garinda 20-02-2009 17:59
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 683200)
How has this thread got from the freedom of information act, to the mighty Stanley?

...because someone in the thread said they disliked Cllr. Britcliffe because of Stanley.;)

shakermaker 20-02-2009 18:02
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683198)
That's your opinion, and fair enough, but I find myself in the strange position of defending Cllr. Britcliffe here.
Well that's subject for debate in a whole other thread. In fact many have been made in the past. Just so you know, I haven't ignored your post, I just don't want to get into it in this thread. :)

garinda 20-02-2009 18:07
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 683213)
Well that's subject for debate in a whole other thread. In fact many have been made in the past. Just so you know, I haven't ignored your post, I just don't want to get into it in this thread. :)
As I said, I know I won't change your mind, but since you mentioned it in this thread, I did think I should post the counter argument to your reasons.:)

Bernard Dawson 20-02-2009 18:13
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 683209)
Re: Looking for a Nice place to Eat in the Accy area
Have you tried places like Checco's at Great Harwood? La Varanda on the way into Haslingden is good. Went to Hordens (Horden Vale Hotel off Grane Road Haslingden) recently. That was top class. Very nice. ...Or alternatively carry along the Grane to the £3.50 Carvery overlooking the reservoir.

This is a post by Graham Jones that didn't mention either Peter Britcliffe or Andrew's name. (It is post 34 in the thread)
Claytonender What has all this got to do with the freedom of information act.

Although even Peter could afford the £3.50 one. Pity it's not in London

garinda 20-02-2009 18:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 683223)
Claytonender What has all this got to do with the freedom of information act.

Although even Peter could afford the £3.50 one. Pity it's not in London
Wasn't the Freedom of Information Act used in the first instance, to look at councillor's expenses?

Doesn't seem much of a wander, compared to some there's been in this thread.

:rolleyes::D

garinda 20-02-2009 18:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683199)
Can any councillor show details of how the Council Tax is allocated to the various places it goes to, especially H.B.C.'s share that is paid to Council Officers etc?

I can't find anything about it.

Thank you.
Since we have a councillor on line, can you point me in the right direction in finding a breakdown as to where the Council Tax goes please?:)

garinda 20-02-2009 18:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683226)
Since we have a councillor on line, can you point me in the right direction in finding a breakdown as to where the Council Tax goes please?:)
Being more specific, how H.B.C.' share is allocated, and to where.

If it's possible to know where I could find out it would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

cashman 20-02-2009 18:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 682812)
Well cashman I will certainly look into the black hole when home. Fact is it happened, and nobody can doubt that, what they have managed to achieve from what they started with is fantastic. This must be one of the reasons the independent audit commission labelled them an excellent council.
wrong again andrew, yer eyes need to be wide open to get where you wanna be! people can doubt it and also doubt when it occured if in fact it did. i only returned here less than 8 yrs ago,after a 10 yr abscense, all i know is "Hearsay" hence me asking ya to prove it, also there are others, even some members here who have returned whilst P.B. has been at the helm, so if ya take that on board by opening yer eyes fully, ya may just make it in the real world.;)

Eric 20-02-2009 18:38
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This thread has a plot more tortuous than a Russian novel .... :eek:

MCR ADIM 20-02-2009 18:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682662)
Well all I can say to that is more fool you.

Happily not wearing blinkers allows me to phyically see a hundred and one ways tax payer's money could be better spent in Hyndburn.
1. 21. 41. 61. 81.
2. 22. 42. 62. 82.
3. 23. 43. 63. 83.
4. 24. 44. 64. 84.
5. 25. 45. 65. 85.
6. 26. 46. 66. 86.
7. 27. 47. 67. 87.
8. 28. 48. 68. 88.
9. 29. 49. 69. 89.
10. 30. 50. 70. 90.
11. 31. 51. 71. 91.
12. 32. 52. 72. 92.
13. 33. 53. 73. 93.
14. 34. 54. 74. 94.
15. 35. 55. 75. 95.
16 36. 56. 76. 96.
17. 37. 57. 77. 97.
18. 38. 58. 78. 98.
19. 39. 59. 79. 99.
20. 40. 60. 80. 100.


101.

their you go! :tongueout

Royboy39 20-02-2009 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683229)
Being more specific, how H.B.C.' share is allocated, and to where.

If it's possible to know where I could find out it would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
Being 'Devils Advocat' is one thing....being a pain in the arse is something quite different.

I think you answer would be the town hall? :)

garinda 20-02-2009 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683248)
Being 'Devils Advocat' is one thing....being a pain in the arse is something quite different.

I think you answer would be the town hall? :)
I'm not playing Devil's Advocate.

As was made clear to me earlier in the thread, I didn't know all employees of H.B.C., were paid directly from the council's share of the Council Tax.

I have seen information as to where the share that goes to L.C.C., Police, Fire Brigade etc. is directed to.

I don't want a pound by pound account of where each and every pound gets spent, for example £100 given to repair a scout hut roof, but I would be very interested to see a percentage breakdown, as to where H.B.C.'s share is allocated.

garinda 20-02-2009 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683248)
Being 'Devils Advocat' is one thing....being a pain in the arse is something quite different.

I think you answer would be the town hall? :)
By the way, I'll only bother using my time to argue a point if it's something I happen to believe in, and care about.

I'll leave it to others to argue, just for argument's sake.;)


devil's advocate

  –noun a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument.

Eric 20-02-2009 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683291)
By the way, I'll only bother using my time to argue a point if it's something I happen to believe in, and care about.

I'll leave it to others to argue, just for argument's sake.;)


devil's advocate

  –noun a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument.
.... or useful if someone is up for cannonization ... no one on this thread comes immediately to mind ... tho' maybe a few of the more extreme tories are thinking of this for Thatcher .... after her state funeral of course.;) And the process could be funded by the taxpayers.

Royboy39 20-02-2009 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683291)

devil's advocate

  –noun a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument.
Amen to that :)

Eric 20-02-2009 21:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 683328)
Amen to that :)
"Amen" usually comes at the end of an extended piece of rambling bull crap, which accurately describes most of this thread. However, I believe it's a little premature to use the word yet ... I predict more of the same will be coming our way.:eek:

cashman 20-02-2009 21:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 683345)
"Amen" usually comes at the end of an extended piece of rambling bull crap,
it did,didn't it?:rofl38::rofl38:

claytonender 20-02-2009 21:46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 683223)
Claytonender What has all this got to do with the freedom of information act.

Although even Peter could afford the £3.50 one. Pity it's not in London

Maybe I should email Peter a list of carvery restaurants in London where you eat for under £10. He might even be able to have a glass of wine with his meal for that as well.

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g jones 20-02-2009 22:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 683162)
Excellent stuff. Has anyone read a post from g jones that didn't have either Peter Britcliffe's or andrewb's name in?:rolleyes:

No but there is a responsibilty to address the issue and not just the person. That's the positive way forward that seems so challeging to address. Its all negative but to be quite frank that makes it more worthwhile fighting for the positive people. David Mason said when he rtesigned The Tories are a dictatorship. Unfortunately EVERY thing wrong within the council is traced by to the one person.

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Bernard Dawson 20-02-2009 22:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 683229)
Being more specific, how H.B.C.' share is allocated, and to where.

If it's possible to know where I could find out it would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
It should be on the councils website. Also the breakdown on how Hyndburn's share is allocated is included in the council tax bills that will be going out shortly.

As you say it won't tell you how each pound is spent, it tends to be more general than that. But it will include the main areas were Hyndburn's share of the councils tax is allocated

If you need any more detailed information, I'll try and dig it out for you.

garinda 20-02-2009 22:44
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Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 683393)
It should be on the councils website. Also the breakdown on how Hyndburn's share is allocated is included in the council tax bills that will be going out shortly.

As you say it won't tell you how each pound is spent, it tends to be more general than that. But it will include the main areas were Hyndburn's share of the councils tax is allocated

If you need any more detailed information, I'll try and dig it out for you.
Cheers for that.:)


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