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garinda 23-02-2009 00:22
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684159)
I have posted the argument before. I suppose it's long winded, but that's the difference between truth in detail and just referencing newspaper headlines to mislead the public. Fact is it's not the most expensive council at all. Shame Labour don't have the bottle to admit it. They'll just continue misleading people to try and get votes. Shameful!
If the story in the Daily Telegraph was wrong or libellous, I'm sure people would have much more respect for your argument if you sued them. I'm sure you'd receive party backing for help with funds. Or even if you went down to their offices in Buckingham Palace Road in London, and chained yourself to the railings, railings hung with a big banner proclaiming the newspaper liars.

I'll pm you the details of a very good restaurant in nearby Basil Street in Knightsbridge, not five minutes walk from there. Two courses, glass of wine, change from a tenner.

If you decide not to follow that course of action, I'd let the people paying their bills in Hyndburn decide as to the strength of the story that appeared in the press, for I fear you're flooging a dead horse.

In keep rattling on about it it may just be confirming the story in their minds.;)

garinda 23-02-2009 00:25
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684160)
mind they did fund Oswald Mosley secretly so not beyond the bounds.:rolleyes:
As did the Daily Mail.

Strange lot that stable of Tory newspapers, you never know if you can trust 'em.

:rolleyes:

andrewb 23-02-2009 00:50
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684166)
If the story in the Daily Telegraph was wrong or libellous, I'm sure people would have much more respect for your argument if you sued them. I'm sure you'd receive party backing for help with funds. Or even if you went down to their offices in Buckingham Palace Road in London, and chained yourself to the railings, railings hung with a big banner proclaiming the newspaper liars.

Sorry at what point did I say that the newspaper worked the figures out wrong? Not a single time did I. No wonder I have to keep flogging it, if you can't read it the first time around. ;)

Sure the people decided last election to throw our Labours misleading propaganda. For some reason they're still continuing. I'll keep informing people because I think it's fair that people be informed, even if it is a complex issue and its much easier for Labour to just mislead people and claim we have the most expensive council.

shillelagh 23-02-2009 01:45
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Can someone tell me why has this gone on to the council tax ... and another one ... have a look at these two links ... and tell me who has the most expensive council tax ....

Council Tax Annual charges - Annual Charges 2008/2009

Rossendale Borough Council - Council Tax Valuations and Bandings

garinda 23-02-2009 07:35
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684170)
Sorry at what point did I say that the newspaper worked the figures out wrong?
Er...so, let's see if we've got this riight.

The Daily Telegraph newspaper, which ran the story in the first instance, published the article that stated that Hyndbrurn had the most expensive Council Tax in in the county, and hadn't arrived at that findings by working it out incorrectly?

Which meant what they printed was all perfectly true, and therefore not libellous.

Which was therefore the reason you neither suedthem, nor launched a campaign against this most of conservative of newspapers, branding them as liars, and making yourself a cause célèbre, and someone prepared to publicly take on injustice and lies?

All as clear as mud.

As long as the mud is made up of something you'd rather not see as being mud...or even acknowledge that mud sticks.

It's all so 'complex', if you're a bit dim, like myself.

andrewb 23-02-2009 08:16
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684185)
Er...so, let's see if we've got this riight.

The Daily Telegraph newspaper, which ran the story in the first instance, published the article that stated that Hyndbrurn had the most expensive Council Tax in in the county, and hadn't arrived at that findings by working it out incorrectly?

Which meant what they printed was all perfectly true, and therefore not libellous.

Which was therefore the reason you neither suedthem, nor launched a campaign against this most of conservative of newspapers, branding them as liars, and making yourself a cause célèbre, and someone prepared to publicly take on injustice and lies?

All as clear as mud.

As long as the mud is made up of something you'd rather not see as being mud...or even acknowledge that mud sticks.

It's all so 'complex', if you're a bit dim, like myself.
There's quite a difference between working things out wrong and misleading the people of Hyndburn. If you want to play a populist game and just continue screaming 'BUT THE NEWSPAPER SAID SO SIR!!!!' in the face of overwhelming information to the contrary, then continue. I thought better of you. I'd have thought when another source was published in front of you, of how the figures were calculated, you'd realise it's nonsense that we have the most expensive council tax.

Well seems you have no idea where to stand, since you flip flopped into saying we don't have the most expensive council tax this year, yet if you worked it out the way the papers did last year, you'd come to the same conclusion as last year. Make your mind up.

You're just backed into a corner of supporting Graham because you think Britcliffe has wasted money on other projects. I suppose the good thing about being truly independent is the ability to praise when something good is done, like low council tax, this year and last, far below the national average increase over the last 10 years. Never mind though, go and hide in your newspaper headlines, I'm sure its comforting, if totally blinkered.

andrewb 23-02-2009 08:18
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 684174)
Can someone tell me why has this gone on to the council tax ... and another one ... have a look at these two links ... and tell me who has the most expensive council tax ....

Council Tax Annual charges - Annual Charges 2008/2009

Rossendale Borough Council - Council Tax Valuations and Bandings
That would make Hyndburn cheaper shillelagh. Don't let the councillors here see that, they'll think there's witchcraft about! It disturbs their screams that Hyndburn Council tax is the largest in the whole country. :rofl38:

ClarePritchard 23-02-2009 08:20
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
TRULY INDEPENDANT. bloody hell Andrew, if you're independant I dread to think what a true tory is like, you're bluer than Maggie !!!!

garinda 23-02-2009 08:25
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684191)
There's quite a difference between working things out wrong and misleading the people of Hyndburn. If you want to play a populist game and just continue screaming 'BUT THE NEWSPAPER SAID SO SIR!!!!' in the face of overwhelming information to the contrary, then continue. I thought better of you. I'd have thought when another source was published in front of you, of how the figures were calculated, you'd realise it's nonsense that we have the most expensive council tax.

Well seems you have no idea where to stand, since you flip flopped into saying we don't have the most expensive council tax this year, yet if you worked it out the way the papers did last year, you'd come to the same conclusion as last year. Make your mind up.

You're just backed into a corner of supporting Graham because you think Britcliffe has wasted money on other projects. I suppose the good thing about being truly independent is the ability to praise when something good is done, like low council tax, this year and last, far below the national average increase over the last 10 years. Never mind though, go and hide in your newspaper headlines, I'm sure its comforting, if totally blinkered.
Could you perhaps carry this on in the appropriate thread, seeing there is one on this subject, before it's reported by a moderator for thread wandering?

This thread is about councillor's expenses, and the subsequent use of the Freedom of Information Act being used, to hopefully find counter evidence to excuse the appallingly arrogant actions of the Conservative councillors on H.B.C., when they voted to award themselves massively increased allowances, against the advice of an independent body.

andrewb 23-02-2009 08:26
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarePritchard (Post 684196)
TRULY INDEPENDANT. bloody hell Andrew, if you're independant I dread to think what a true tory is like, you're bluer than Maggie !!!!
I never said I was. Perhaps if you came on the forums a little more when there wasn't a a political agenda to push, you'd get the running joke.

andrewb 23-02-2009 08:34
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684198)
Could you perhaps carry this on in the appropriate thread, seeing there is one on this subject, before it's reported by a moderator for thread wandering?

This thread is about the subsequent use of the Freedom of Information Act being used by a member of the forum, a member of the public, and importantly a Conservative, so that labour can once again try and trip the local Conservatives up.
Better. There's already a thread for you to post in about councillors voting on expenses. ;)

garinda 23-02-2009 08:35
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684191)
There's quite a difference between working things out wrong and misleading the people of Hyndburn. If you want to play a populist game and just continue screaming 'BUT THE NEWSPAPER SAID SO SIR!!!!' in the face of overwhelming information to the contrary, then continue. I thought better of you. I'd have thought when another source was published in front of you, of how the figures were calculated, you'd realise it's nonsense that we have the most expensive council tax.

Well seems you have no idea where to stand, since you flip flopped into saying we don't have the most expensive council tax this year, yet if you worked it out the way the papers did last year, you'd come to the same conclusion as last year. Make your mind up.

You're just backed into a corner of supporting Graham because you think Britcliffe has wasted money on other projects. I suppose the good thing about being truly independent is the ability to praise when something good is done, like low council tax, this year and last, far below the national average increase over the last 10 years. Never mind though, go and hide in your newspaper headlines, I'm sure its comforting, if totally blinkered.
In the past I've managed to hold my own quite easily, discussing both local and national government with former Prime Ministers, and a very pleasant and enlightening evening that was too.

When it comes to having the complexities of local government explained by the local party gopher, I'm afraid your explanations produce more laughter than enlightenment.

garinda 23-02-2009 08:38
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684200)
Better. There's already a thread for you to post in about councillors voting on expenses. ;)
Those two subject are interlinked.

The shocking allowance increases, and the subsequent scramble for some sort of defence.

The subject you keep reminding everyone of is another matter entirely.

garinda 23-02-2009 08:41
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684199)
you'd get the running joke.
Don't put yourself down.

No one on here has ever accused you of running.

andrewb 23-02-2009 08:52
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684204)
Those two subject are interlinked.

The shocking allowance increases, and the subsequent scramble for some sort of defence.

The subject you keep reminding everyone of is another matter entirely.

On the contrary. This thread displays Labour misleading people with false accusations, and thus it relates to their misleading false accusations that council tax in Hyndburn is the most expensive. You even agree with me that this year it is a false accusation (though I do wonder why you think this year is false and not last years, I guess your coined landed the other way up this time. ;))

Bernard Dawson 23-02-2009 10:01
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Andrew, you must be the only Tory in the country that thinks the Daily Telegraph is a Labour Rag

jaysay 23-02-2009 10:05
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 684228)
Andrew, you must be the only Tory in the country that thinks the Daily Telegraph is a Labour Rag
No there's two of us:D:D:D

garinda 23-02-2009 10:09
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684209)
You even agree with me that this year it is a false accusation
Could you supply evidence relating to a 'false accusation' about this year's Council Tax?

I haven't read anything in that national or local press, or even on here, which in anyway could be seen as such.

cashman 23-02-2009 10:09
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 684199)
I never said I was. Perhaps if you came on the forums a little more when there wasn't a a political agenda to push, you'd get the running joke.
and i aint noticed you much partaking in non political threads, case of kettle calling the pan here.:rolleyes: so that comment is very misleading.lol

andrewb 23-02-2009 10:11
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 684228)
Andrew, you must be the only Tory in the country that thinks the Daily Telegraph is a Labour Rag
You do enjoy reading things which are not there don't you. Must be fun I guess :confused:

garinda 23-02-2009 10:13
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684232)
No there's two of us:D:D:D
Well if you stick with the readin' 'n' 'ritin' classes, you both might one day be able to understand that it is, for it's political bias is certainly no secret.;)

:D

garinda 23-02-2009 10:16
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684235)
and i aint noticed you much partaking in non political threads, case of kettle calling the pan here.:rolleyes: so that comment is very misleading.lol

It seems to be a family trait, focusing on only one thread, and not wanting to join in the fun of other threads there are on here.:rolleyes:

andrewb 23-02-2009 10:18
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684234)
Could you supply evidence relating to a 'false accusation' about this year's Council Tax?

I haven't read anything in that national or local press, or even on here, which in anyway could be seen as such.
Not like you to forget Garinda. I can't find the post about them putting more leaflets out, but it's quite simple, lets have all the Labour councillors come out in this thread and state the truth:

Repeat after me, "Hyndburn Council Tax is not the most expensive in the country."

Lets see if they can do it. ;)

garinda 23-02-2009 10:26
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PMSL!

Attention all those who are in need of a good laugh.

Jaysay has got himself in a terrible muddle, and sent me a pm regarding Andrew's ferreting about, and the further worries this might make for someone who struggles to feed himself for a tenner.

Sadly the pm was meant to be for Andrewb, and not myself...for some reason. Can't think why.:rolleyes:

It's against forum rules to make public a private message, but if anyone cares to know what it says, please don't hesitate to ask me and you'll be shown it.

I've carefully saved the said message, just in case it suddenly disappears from my folder on here.

Thanks ever so much Jaysay.

Who say's Christmas comes but once a year?

I found it most enlightening.

Cheers.

:D

garinda 23-02-2009 10:38
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If I'm not online in the near future don't worry.

I've probably hyperventilated because of laughing so much, and have been rushed into hospital.


:eek::p:eek:

garinda 23-02-2009 10:47
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That's it.

I'm laughing so much I need a lie down.

Goodbye cruel wo.....hang on, beautiful world.

:D

cashman 23-02-2009 10:48
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684243)
PMSL!

Attention all those who are in need of a good laugh.

Jaysay has got himself in a terrible muddle, and sent me a pm regarding Andrew's ferreting about, and the further worries this might make for someone who struggles to feed himself for a tenner.

Sadly the pm was meant to be for Andrewb, and not myself...for some reason. Can't think why.:rolleyes:

It's against forum rules to make public a private message, but if anyone cares to know what it says, please don't hesitate to ask me and you'll be shown it.

I've carefully saved the said message, just in case it suddenly disappears from my folder on here.

Thanks ever so much Jaysay.

Who say's Christmas comes but once a year?

I found it most enlightening.

Cheers.

:D
Oh dear, ya just made my day rindy?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rof l38:

garinda 23-02-2009 10:51
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684251)
Oh dear, ya just made my day rindy?:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rof l38:
http://adbar.bloguje.cz/careless300.jpg

Well it might not cost lives, but it certainly causes great big belly laughs.:p

garinda 23-02-2009 10:52
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
With 'friends' like those who needs enemies?

garinda 23-02-2009 10:56
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684254)
With 'friends' like those who needs enemies?
We've got one 'friend' opening the can of worms, and the other shaking the can for him, so the worms are scattered far and wide.:D

jaysay 23-02-2009 11:06
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684243)
PMSL!

Attention all those who are in need of a good laugh.

Jaysay has got himself in a terrible muddle, and sent me a pm regarding Andrew's ferreting about, and the further worries this might make for someone who struggles to feed himself for a tenner.

Sadly the pm was meant to be for Andrewb, and not myself...for some reason. Can't think why.:rolleyes:

It's against forum rules to make public a private message, but if anyone cares to know what it says, please don't hesitate to ask me and you'll be shown it.

I've carefully saved the said message, just in case it suddenly disappears from my folder on here.

Thanks ever so much Jaysay.

Who Say's Christmas comes but once a year?

I found it most enlightening.

Cheers.

:D
As I said in my PM to you, think I will qualify for cock up of the year or maybe the century, but as Andrew will tell you I told him from the start that the use of the FOIA was very emotive, I have always said that councillors of all colours deserve everything they get, because working for the GP is one of the worst jobs going, you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time

garinda 23-02-2009 11:11
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684259)
you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time
Very true.

On behalf of all the people you've pleased today, a very big thank you.:D

garinda 23-02-2009 11:14
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684259)
As I said in my PM to you
Which one?

:idunno::rofl38::cheers:

garinda 23-02-2009 11:30
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
The only other recipient this 'sensitive' information could have mistakenly be passed to, which would have elicited as much mirth, would have been Cllr. Graham Jones himself...or perhaps that noble publication the Daily Telegraph.

:D

jaysay 23-02-2009 11:40
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684265)
The only other recipient this 'sensitive' information could have mistakenly be passed to, which would have elicited as much mirth, would have been Cllr. Graham Jones himself...or perhaps that noble publication the Daily Telegraph.

:D
Well concidering I don't read his post (lifes to short) there was little or no chance of that, anyway sending it to you was bad enough, for the simple reason you won't let me hear the last of it:D which will be real pain in the butt for the next 12 months at least:D:rolleyes:

garinda 23-02-2009 11:51
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684268)
Well concidering I don't read his post (lifes to short) there was little or no chance of that, anyway sending it to you was bad enough, for the simple reason you won't let me hear the last of it:D which will be real pain in the butt for the next 12 months at least:D:rolleyes:
Months? Try years.;)

At least you can see the funny side, as I hopefully would too, if it'd been me...God forbid.

Let's just say the findings of the FIOA aren't likely to made public on here, at least not by Andrewb.

Though I wouldn't be at all suprised if an enterprising local journalist starts asking similar questions using the Freedom of Information Act, regarding the expenses of some councillors, all in the public interest of course.:rolleyes:

I wonder what this will come to be known by?

Hot dog gate?

We'll now know who's going to be Deep Throat.


:D

ClarePritchard 23-02-2009 13:06
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Oh my god !!!! I've just had the best laugh I've had for YEARS, so Andrew the question is how ARE you going to keep Peter and his very, very high expenses out of the dodo?

jaysay 23-02-2009 16:06
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684271)
Months? Try years.;)

At least you can see the funny side, as I hopefully would too, if it'd been me...God forbid.

Let's just say the findings of the FIOA aren't likely to made public on here, at least not by Andrewb.

Though I wouldn't be at all suprised if an enterprising local journalist starts asking similar questions using the Freedom of Information Act, regarding the expenses of some councillors, all in the public interest of course.:rolleyes:

I wonder what this will come to be known by?

Hot dog gate?

We'll now know who's going to be Deep Throat.


:D
Having thought about it would it be legal for any details of a persons personal financial affairs without their permission, to be printed on here, It may have been obtained by a person for their use but for that person to reproduce it on here may be a grey area:confused:

cashman 23-02-2009 16:09
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well folk can always take advice on the matter, i know a great person in that arena.:D:D:D:D

jaysay 23-02-2009 16:34
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684339)
well folk can always take advice on the matter, i know a great person in that arena.:D:D:D:D
Well Andrew should know cashy:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: oh the irony

ClarePritchard 23-02-2009 16:42
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John

I bet you never thought that you would ever make a Labour Councillor as happy as you made me today, I laughed till I bloody cried (I would have been a bit miffed if I'd have done it though !!!!)

Thanks a lot,

P.S Any thoughts on getting him out of the dodo yet?

cashman 23-02-2009 16:43
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684354)
Well Andrew should know cashy:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: oh the irony
yeh but my mans independant.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D plus related pmsl

garinda 23-02-2009 17:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarePritchard (Post 684358)

P.S Any thoughts on getting him out of the dodo yet?
Ever since Watergate the media have been keen to label every scandal something or other 'gate'.

Dodogate is an option, but it's a bit hard to de-cyfr if it's meant to read do do, or Dodo, that poor creature who was hunted until extinct.

:D

garinda 23-02-2009 17:49
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Who do I apply to to claim secretarial expenses?

There's a full time job going for someone, because of having to send out all these pm's, as well as answering the phone.

:D

garinda 23-02-2009 18:23
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"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, By each let this be heard.''
Oscar Wilde.

Eric 23-02-2009 18:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684419)
"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, By each let this be heard.''
Oscar Wilde.
But who has the "bitter look"? Who is the flatterer? Who is doing the kissing, and who is wielding the sword?

I've always wondered why, in the seventh stanza, it is "each man"; yet in the final stanza, it becomes "all men" .... maybe, in the body of the poem, Wilde shifts his focus from the specific to the general .... oops, I'm rambling again:eek:

garinda 23-02-2009 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 684426)
But who has the "bitter look"? Who is the flatterer? Who is doing the kissing, and who is wielding the sword?

I've always wondered why, in the seventh stanza, it is "each man"; yet in the final stanza, it becomes "all men" .... maybe, in the body of the poem, Wilde shifts his focus from the specific to the general .... oops, I'm rambling again:eek:
It seemed too cruel to use the whole quote.;)

There are standards of decency to be maintained.:D

garinda 23-02-2009 18:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684430)
It seemed too cruel to use the whole quote.;)

There are standards of decency to be maintained.:D
Though that football chant keeps coming into my head.

The one you sing when a goal has silenced the other side's fans.

Oh yes, that's it, something about 'it's all gone quiet over there'.

Something along those lines.

:)

cashman 23-02-2009 19:07
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684432)
Though that football chant keeps coming into my head.

The one you sing when a goal has silenced the other side's fans.

Oh yes, that's it, something about 'it's all gone quiet over there'.

Something along those lines.

:)
reminds me of the owd Tremloes hit- Silence Is Golden.:)

turkishdelight 23-02-2009 19:11
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684453)
reminds me of the owd Tremloes hit- Silence Is Golden.:)
Ha Just thinking the same.:)

turkishdelight 23-02-2009 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684432)
Though that football chant keeps coming into my head.

The one you sing when a goal has silenced the other side's fans.

Oh yes, that's it, something about 'it's all gone quiet over there'.

Something along those lines.

:)
Actually Its the calm before the storm.:)

garinda 23-02-2009 19:37
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Hey don't shoot the messenger.

Perhaps the misdirected message I received wasn't a mistake.

Perhaps I was chosen to be the stool pigeon, being an independent observer, to broadcast this 'sensitive' information to the world.

:)

Royboy39 23-02-2009 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 684461)
Actually Its the calm before the storm.:)
I think you are right TD.
This is a tried and tested situation that Garinda revells in.
He will milk it again and again and again.
The Black and White Minstrals made a success of a painted black face....I think this is cry for help. :eek::confused:

garinda 23-02-2009 19:44
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
I'm sure that if a close friend of the Labour leader had inadvertently sent a message containing such damning evidence, to someone to whom he was opposed, it would never have seen the light of day. Yeah, right.:rolleyes:

Happily not having a mean bone in my body, I'm more than prepared to share what I was sent, as an act of freeing information.

:D

Eric 23-02-2009 19:48
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684430)
It seemed too cruel to use the whole quote.;)

There are standards of decency to be maintained.:D
Indeed, decency and probity .... these are at the core of politics:rolleyes:
There is another Wilde one; this could be applied to those who achieve elected office, and discover the joys of expense accts.: "The gods had given me almost everything. But I let myself be lured into long spells of senseless and sensual ease".:D

garinda 23-02-2009 20:02
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 684469)
But I let myself be lured into long spells of senseless and sensual ease".
I hate to picture that, in relation to the hot dog that was quoted in the original newspaper story.:eek:

Eric 23-02-2009 20:07
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684473)
I hate to picture that, in relation to the hot dog that was quoted in the original newspaper story.:eek:
If it's like the foot long hot dogs you can get at Kingston' Fall Fair .... :D

Royboy39 23-02-2009 20:18
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684468)
Happily not having a mean bone in my body, I'm more than prepared to share what I was sent, as an act of freeing information.

:D
That has got to be the most stupid statement I have read in my life.
Mean bone in your body? You are the most vindictive individual I have ever come across. I fail to understand why you put so much store on the information on someone who you obviously dont like as opposed to the waistful and costly expenditure of the Government and the expenses of the EU representatives who are costing you, as a taxpayer your hard earned money?
Get real and direct your observations to the ones that are costing you a bloody fortune in taxes rather than someone who is costing no more than a train ticket.
Stop posturing and use your obvious wit, or lack of it it, to the problems and costly expenditure that involves us all.

garinda 23-02-2009 20:30
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
I see that some people still haven't got to the chapters on satire and self-parody, in that great book
'Teach Yourself a Sense of Humour'.:rolleyes:


:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Royboy39 23-02-2009 20:39
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684489)
I see that some people still haven't got to the chapters on satire and self-parody, in that great book
'Teach Yourself a Sense of Humour'.:rolleyes:
I have a sense of humour which suits me and my friends :rolleyes:

Neil 23-02-2009 20:55
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684244)
If I'm not online in the near future don't worry.

I've probably hyperventilated because of laughing so much, and have been rushed into hospital.


:eek::p:eek:
Well if your burst something and do get taken in please let me know this time so I can visit sooner :D:D

Neil 23-02-2009 20:58
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684338)
Having thought about it would it be legal for any details of a persons personal financial affairs without their permission, to be printed on here, It may have been obtained by a person for their use but for that person to reproduce it on here may be a grey area:confused:
It does not matter if it is a grey area here, is it a gray area in the US where this site is hosted?

garinda 23-02-2009 21:03
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 684499)
It does not matter if it is a grey area here, is it a gray area in the US where this site is hosted?
The press use the Inormation of Freedom Act all the time, and publish the information obtained.

If it's newsworthy.:rolleyes::D

Royboy39 23-02-2009 21:03
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 684497)
Well if your burst something and do get taken in please let me know this time so I can visit sooner :D:D
I think he has been 'Taken In' and made a right town halls of it....such is life. ;)

Bernard Dawson 23-02-2009 21:12
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
I have been in meetings this afternoon with the leader of the council. And I feel compelled to tell you that he was in a real mean mood. Something as obviously upset him.

garinda 23-02-2009 21:13
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
By the way, I totally refute the claim I am anyone's 'sparring partner'.

As a purely independent observer of the comings and goings of life, with no political allegiance to any party, I'm free to speak all by my lonesome.

:)

garinda 23-02-2009 21:15
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 684507)
I have been in meetings this afternoon with the leader of the council. And I feel compelled to tell you that he was in a real mean mood. Something as obviously upset him.
Perhaps they should rewrite that saying to...

'Keep your friends close, but your close friends closer still.'

:D

Royboy39 23-02-2009 21:16
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684508)
By the way, I totally refute the claim I am anyone's 'sparring partner'.

As a purely independent observer of the comings and goings of life, with no political allegiance to any party, I'm free to speak all by my lonesome.

:)
And so is everyone else on this forum. :)

garinda 23-02-2009 21:33
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
I always say that if you're going to shoot yourself in the foot, you might as well shoot the other one as well.

So at least you end up with symmetrical injuries.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

g jones 23-02-2009 21:49
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
I owe Andrew a small apology. The Council email I got said an FOI had been put on (just) me by Andrew Barratt and the answer I received only contained my ex's, no-one else's.

Upon clarification, I now know Andrew submitted an unclear question and later a second clear question asking for ALL councillors ex's. I apologise to Andrew for believing he was targeting just me. He asked about Conservative, Labour, Independent Councillors.

I'll leave it up to Andrew (who'll receive the answers tomorrow) to decide whether to publish all, part or none of the information he has received.

In short they will say, 7.5% of Council Tax goes on allowances (2% of overall expenditure). £278,000 in allowances. This figure does not include expenses. £88,000 goes to 17 opposition Councillors, £190,000 to 18 Conservatives.

Expenses will include Conferences, Hotels, Travel. Mileage per month, Childcare and Mobile phone expenses. These may make interesting reading.

cashman 23-02-2009 21:53
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 684481)
That has got to be the most stupid statement I have read in my life.
Mean bone in your body? You are the most vindictive individual I have ever come across. I fail to understand why you put so much store on the information on someone who you obviously dont like as opposed to the waistful and costly expenditure of the Government and the expenses of the EU representatives who are costing you, as a taxpayer your hard earned money?
Get real and direct your observations to the ones that are costing you a bloody fortune in taxes rather than someone who is costing no more than a train ticket.
Stop posturing and use your obvious wit, or lack of it it, to the problems and costly expenditure that involves us all.
out of all these 1000 n odd posts, that is the most inaccurate of all.:rolleyes:

ClarePritchard 23-02-2009 22:01
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Andrew, I'll save you the job of publishing mine, in 2007/2008 I claimed basic allowance and a Special Responsibility Allowance for being Secretary of the Labour Group, this came to a total of £4960.93

ClarePritchard 23-02-2009 22:03
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
with no claims for conferences, hotels, travel, mobile phones, mileage allowance or childcare

shakermaker 23-02-2009 22:39
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684524)
I owe Andrew a small apology. The Council email I got said an FOI had been put on (just) me by Andrew Barratt and the answer I received only contained my ex's, no-one else's.

Upon clarification, I now know Andrew submitted an unclear question and later a second clear question asking for ALL councillors ex's. I apologise to Andrew for believing he was targeting just me. He asked about Conservative, Labour, Independent Councillors.
Better late than never, eh. Andrew posted this info ages ago.
I hope you got him a card and some apology choccies, too. :D

katex 23-02-2009 22:41
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684524)
I owe Andrew a small apology. The Council email I got said an FOI had been put on (just) me by Andrew Barratt and the answer I received only contained my ex's, no-one else's.

Upon clarification, I now know Andrew submitted an unclear question and later a second clear question asking for ALL councillors ex's. I apologise to Andrew for believing he was targeting just me. He asked about Conservative, Labour, Independent Councillors.
Good on ya' Cllr Jones .. a true gentleman.
Still does not negate my opinion that Andrew was up to no good though .. :D

Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarePritchard (Post 684528)
with no claims for conferences, hotels, travel, mobile phones, mileage allowance or childcare
Why not ? Did you not need to... or are you just a martyr and pay them out of your own back pocket ? Can't be doing with them ! Sets a precedence for those councillors who cannot afford not to claim .. :(

cashman 23-02-2009 23:03
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 684536)



Why not ? Did you not need to... or are you just a martyr and pay them out of your own back pocket ? Can't be doing with them ! Sets a precedence for those councillors who cannot afford not to claim .. :(
Disagree kate, nowt to do with being a martyr, in over 20 yrs i never claimed ("most") of what i was entitled (different arena) but was still entitled to em, n it sets no precedence at all in my experience, people than started in that field 15/17 yrs after me claimed em no problem. good man G.J. fer holding yer hand up, i agree with kates first paragraph though.

katex 23-02-2009 23:11
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Well, you must have been a wealthy man then Cashy not to claim expenses. They are there to allow a lower paid 'working man' to become a councillor without any hardships so that they can get on with their position, rather than worry about money.

Not claiming, if you have used these services in the role of Councillor, is just self-satisfying smugness in my opinion and leads others on the road to guilt trip for doing so.

cashman 23-02-2009 23:29
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 684541)
Well, you must have been a wealthy man then Cashy not to claim expenses. They are there to allow a lower paid 'working man' to become a councillor without any hardships so that they can get on with their position, rather than worry about money.

Not claiming, if you have used these services in the role of Councillor, is just self-satisfying smugness in my opinion and leads others on the road to guilt trip for doing so.
i agree that people who need em should always claim em n would be annoyed if they did not, thing is ya don't know everybodys circumstances n neither do i, therefore i will not speculate on that.

garinda 23-02-2009 23:37
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 684541)
Well, you must have been a wealthy man then Cashy not to claim expenses. They are there to allow a lower paid 'working man' to become a councillor without any hardships so that they can get on with their position, rather than worry about money.

Not claiming, if you have used these services in the role of Councillor, is just self-satisfying smugness in my opinion and leads others on the road to guilt trip for doing so.
I agree. I've said umpteen times already that legitamate allowances are there so people can carry out whatever work they're doing, in the private or public sector, so that no one person should be out of pocket.

If people chose not to use their allowance they are free to do so. Just as conversley people have every right to claim them, both legally and morally.

No problem.

My beef is the continuing rises of allowances, above and beyond independently recomended limits.

My advice to whoever thought this was a good idea, given the severe global financial crisis, is don't ever apply for a job in P.R., should you ever be seeking new employment.

cashman 23-02-2009 23:40
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684547)
I agree. I've said umpteen times already that legitamate allowances are there so people can carry out whatever work they're doing, in the private or public sector, so that no one person should be out of pocket.

If people chose not to use their allowance they are free to do so. Just as conversley people have every right to claim them, both legally and morally.

No problem.

My beef is the continuing rises of allowances, above and beyond independently recomended limits.

My advice to whoever thought this was a good idea, given the severe global financial crisis, is don't ever apply for a job in P.R., should you ever be seeking new employment.
thats everyones beef............ except those of blue persuasion.:rolleyes:

cashman 23-02-2009 23:49
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
just thought i'd mention. Hull lost again tonight.:D

garinda 23-02-2009 23:51
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684548)
thats everyones beef............ except those of blue persuasion.:rolleyes:
Is that what they're hiding as? :D


http://cardboardmonocle.com/blog/wp-.../10/smurfs.jpg

garinda 23-02-2009 23:53
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684553)
just thought i'd mention. Hull lost again tonight.:D
We should have a swing-o-meter, to record all the losses.

Eric 24-02-2009 00:09
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 684507)
I have been in meetings this afternoon with the leader of the council. And I feel compelled to tell you that he was in a real mean mood. Something as obviously upset him.
It was the salmon mousse:D

garinda 24-02-2009 07:36
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 684481)
I fail to understand why you put so much store on the information on someone who you obviously dont like
I don't dislike anyone at all, though I don't always agree with the actions of some people.

There is a vast difference there, though obviously that concept is beyond you.

As for Jaysay, he's someone I can have a laugh with via pm, as we did over yesterday's gaffe, and I'm sure his invitation to pop round for a brew still stands.

He is someone who understands the value of politics, but can put it into context.

A mistake was made, no more and no less, that's all.

No one died or was horiffically maimed as a result of that mistake.

Context.;)

garinda 24-02-2009 07:43
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 684481)
That has got to be the most stupid statement I have read in my life.

...and besides you obviously missing the self-parody of the post that inspired you to write it, unlike everyone else on here, if it is true then I'd suggest you need to get out more, perhaps even join a library and therefore increase your chances of reading something that might truly be seen as stupid.;)

claytonender 24-02-2009 08:09
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Yesterday's Overview and Scrutiny meeting about the budget was a 'Aren't we a wonderful administration' speech and when the Independent's report thanked the officers for their hard work in managing the council's finances - Peter took the credit for his cabinet.

Bernard Dawson 24-02-2009 08:30
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric (Post 684558)
It was the salmon mousse:D
Probably Eric.

jaysay 24-02-2009 09:12
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 684590)
Yesterday's Overview and Scrutiny meeting about the budget was a 'Aren't we a wonderful administration' speech and when the Independent's report thanked the officers for their hard work in managing the council's finances - Peter took the credit for his cabinet.
In much the same way that Gorden claimed to be the savior of the World,:rolleyes:and always remember it doesn't matter a fig what Jones, Dawson and company say its what the independent audit says, end of, they have no political points to score, they just tell it as it is

jaysay 24-02-2009 09:14
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684581)
I don't dislike anyone at all, though I don't always agree with the actions of some people.

There is a vast difference there, though obviously that concept is beyond you.

As for Jaysay, he's someone I can have a laugh with via pm, as we did over yesterday's gaffe, and I'm sure his invitation to pop round for a brew still stands.

He is someone who understands the value of politics, but can put it into context.

A mistake was made, no more and no less, that's all.

No one died or was horiffically maimed as a result of that mistake.

Context.;)
Yes Rindi, the kettles still on, boiled dry a few times, but ts still on:D

cashman 24-02-2009 09:18
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684603)
Yes Rindi, the kettles still on, boiled dry a few times, but ts still on:D
wheres this kettle?:confused::D

ClarePritchard 24-02-2009 10:08
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
I just thought that I'd clarify my comments last night, I've never objected to people claiming expenses who need them, I don't believe that financial position should be a issue when on the council, if you need the money and are entitled to claim it as an expense then good on you. I'm not using it as a stick to beat anyone with. I was just publishing on here the information that Andrew requested from the Council under the FOI act. I'm lucky, my Mum and Dad live just up the road from me so I don't need to claim for my daughter to be looked after because she goes to her Grandparents, last year I wasn't entitled to a mobile phone as only the deputy leader and leader of the opposition are entitled (I qualify for that this year but don't claim it as I already have a contract phone and it would cost me a fortune to get out of the 18 month contract), I didn't go to any conferences as I really do believe that you should only attend the conferences that will benefit your role on the Council and enhance your skills to do your job. I hope this explains more fully the comments I made last night, I wasn't being smug AT ALL, just answering the exact question that Andrew asked of me and all other councillors

shakermaker 24-02-2009 10:28
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 684536)
Good on ya' Cllr Jones .. a true gentleman.
...eventually :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by katex (Post 684536)
Still does not negate my opinion that Andrew was up to no good though .. :D

Why not ? Did you not need to... or are you just a martyr and pay them out of your own back pocket ? Can't be doing with them ! Sets a precedence for those councillors who cannot afford not to claim .. :(
Think you may need a lie down Agent Katex, all these politicial conpiracy theories can't be good for the soul! :cool::D

garinda 24-02-2009 12:55
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684603)
Yes Rindi, the kettles still on, boiled dry a few times, but ts still on:D
Since you're not fit to get to the meets, I will call for a brew soon, promise.

I might even bring a couple of custards.:)

Don't worry, yesterday's stitch has finally gone now, so I won't keep bringing what happened up (as much.):D

g jones 24-02-2009 15:09
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684602)
In much the same way that Gorden claimed to be the savior of the World,:rolleyes:and always remember it doesn't matter a fig what Jones, Dawson and company say its what the independent audit says, end of, they have no political points to score, they just tell it as it is
I know that is complete rubbish for a fact. AND to add to what I knew happened, I spoke with a senior Audit Commissioner (I was part of a mentoring thing) and he raised all his concerns to me and asked how come an average authority according to the scores got an excellent.

Smoke and Mirrors. Quite simply the public aren't fooled anyway.

g jones 24-02-2009 15:12
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 684635)
...eventually :D


Think you may need a lie down Agent Katex, all these politicial conpiracy theories can't be good for the soul! :cool::D
I see your contributions are still personal and contribute nothing objectively.

accyman 24-02-2009 15:27
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by accyman (Post 679855)
just an after thought on this matter

even though all councilors expenses were asked for if there had been suspicious elements on both tory and labours paperwork which one would have been brought up here
i will await the posting of PB'S expenses with baited breath as i have a feeling they may be a little higher than what we were led to believe pmsl :D


if i can find a gun andrew woudl you liek to shoot yourself in teh other foot as well

jaysay 24-02-2009 16:10
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684702)
I know that is complete rubbish for a fact. AND to add to what I knew happened, I spoke with a senior Audit Commissioner (I was part of a mentoring thing) and he raised all his concerns to me and asked how come an average authority according to the scores got an excellent.

Smoke and Mirrors. Quite simply the public aren't fooled anyway.
When the auditor says that Hyndburn is performing very poorly like it said when your motley crew had their hands on power, for one year only, then I'll start to worry, until then you can rant all you want about ear-say, he said she said means nothing to anybody especially the people who keep telling you and your tribe to get St***ed at the ballot box

jaysay 24-02-2009 16:14
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684604)
wheres this kettle?:confused::D
I'll show you next time you pop round, I'll even show you the lovely Accy Web coffee mugs lancsdave dropped of for me:D oh yea and I'll fill um up to, prooooooomise:rolleyes:

jaysay 24-02-2009 16:16
Re: Anyone made a secret Freedom Of Info request about me ? Andrew?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684670)
Since you're not fit to get to the meets, I will call for a brew soon, promise.

I might even bring a couple of custards.:)

Don't worry, yesterday's stitch has finally gone now, so I won't keep bringing what happened up (as much.):D
Oooooooooh custards are my favourites:D


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