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accyman

24-02-2009 16:18

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cashy likes chocolate nobs and garinda is ok with just plain nobs but beware they both like to dunk

shakermaker

24-02-2009 16:29

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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 684703)

I see your contributions are still personal and contribute nothing objectively.

Maybe this comes a shock to you (please note the sarcasm), but I'm no politician. I've tried to understand and participate in political discussions in the past and only discovered how naive my views are, and just how inept I am at anything resembling Question Time.
I have no angle Mr Jones. I can barely deal with 180° lines in my everyday life. I'm not red or blue or yellow or green (in fact I was born colour-blind, I'll spin you a few humourous yarns on that if you're lucky).
I don't care about you or your party or your politics. Even though I consider AndrewB a friend, he knows full well that I'll challenge him publicly about anything I disagree with. Everything I have posted in this thread is therefore completely and categorically objective.

Still think I'm targetting you? Look. I have no opinion on the council tax issues that have arose in this thread because I don't understand them properly. I have no opinion on the allowances issues for the same reason. The only thing that I felt I wanted to comment on was the oft' ridiculous content of posts by politicians/councillors. You just happened to be the main culprit in my eyes.

I have found that part of growing up is knowing when not to throw yourself head first into something you know nothing or little about. Think of that notion, and then read post number one. Perhaps you'll realise why I feel compelled to highlight the high population of farce in your posts.

katex

24-02-2009 16:30

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Originally Posted by ClarePritchard (Post 684627)

I just thought that I'd clarify my comments last night, I've never objected to people claiming expenses who need them, I don't believe that financial position should be a issue when on the council, if you need the money and are entitled to claim it as an expense then good on you. I'm not using it as a stick to beat anyone with. I was just publishing on here the information that Andrew requested from the Council under the FOI act. I'm lucky, my Mum and Dad live just up the road from me so I don't need to claim for my daughter to be looked after because she goes to her Grandparents, last year I wasn't entitled to a mobile phone as only the deputy leader and leader of the opposition are entitled (I qualify for that this year but don't claim it as I already have a contract phone and it would cost me a fortune to get out of the 18 month contract), I didn't go to any conferences as I really do believe that you should only attend the conferences that will benefit your role on the Council and enhance your skills to do your job. I hope this explains more fully the comments I made last night, I wasn't being smug AT ALL, just answering the exact question that Andrew asked of me and all other councillors

Of course it explains things Clare in as much as you had none to claim literally, so wasn't much point in mentioning it was there ?

Would have helped if you had mentioned this in the first place, just came across as if you were trying to score brownie points. You are still saying though "if you need the money and are entitled to claim it as an expense then good on you"

As per Garinda's comment on people's right 'not' to claim them, I disagree. Employees in the past have fought for these, and should be used by everyone .. think any Employer would consider you stupid if you didn't anyway. I know if I had had a colleague who did not claim for mileage allowance when using their car on company business, would have been considered as some sort of toadying git (language moderated here :D), in a councillors case maybe extra votes.

Bernard Dawson

24-02-2009 16:54

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 684729)

When the auditor says that Hyndburn is performing very poorly like it said when your motley crew had their hands on power, for one year only, then I'll start to worry, until then you can rant all you want about ear-say, he said she said means nothing to anybody especially the people who keep telling you and your tribe to get St***ed at the ballot box

How many Council auditor's reports have you actually read?

garinda

24-02-2009 16:58

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 684744)

As per Garinda's comment on people's right 'not' to claim them, I disagree. Employees in the past have fought for these, and should be used by everyone .. think any Employer would consider you stupid if you didn't anyway. I know if I had had a colleague who did not claim for mileage allowance when using their car on company business, would have been considered as some sort of toadying git (language moderated here :D), in a councillors case maybe extra votes.

Still think it's perfectly acceptable not to make a claim, if you don't want to. It's a choice.

Clare mentioned she is lucky that her children are looked after by her parents. Should she put them in a nursery instead, and submit a childcare alowance, just because she can? Sounds daft to me.

Also if you were staying away overnight on business, and weren't hungry and just wanted to have a bath and hit the hay, should you call room service and order something just because you can? I certainly never did that, nor would I.

Allowances are there to make sure no one is out of pocket.

It's personal choice if you want to use them.

katex

24-02-2009 17:22

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684769)

I'm not talking about having to use them Garinda and order a meal because you can :confused:

Just if you have had to use the expenses paid facility, then you should claim as opposed to not putting in a claim when you have had a meal, etc.

Think we are at cross purposes here.

panther

24-02-2009 17:42

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I cant believe how long this thread is!!:eek:

katex

24-02-2009 17:45

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 684794)

I cant believe how long this thread is!!:eek:

LOL Panther .. I wonder if we put all the words end to end, how long would it stretch. Probably get over to Eric in Canada... :D

Eric	24-02-2009 17:54

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 684796)

LOL Panther .. I wonder if we put all the words end to end, how long would it stretch. Probably get over to Eric in Canada... :D

Thankfully, it wouldn't make it through customs, we have enough bs of our own, esp. in Ottawa (you can smell it when the wind's in the NE):D Of course, if it comes with a couple of custards ..... ;)

garinda

24-02-2009 18:59

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 684798)

Of course, if it comes with a couple of custards ..... ;)

With the cost of FedEx as well I'm afraid that just pushes them over your snack allowance.;)

garinda

24-02-2009 19:02

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684407)

Who do I apply to to claim secretarial expenses?

There's a full time job going for someone, because of having to send out all these pm's, as well as answering the phone.

:D

I've got a red ear, after having to answer the telephone so many times since Do-do-gate exploded.

'Washington Post on line 2?'

'Tell them they'll have to hold.'

Eric	24-02-2009 19:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684821)

With the cost of FedEx as well I'm afraid that just pushes them over your snack allowance.;)

And the surgeon who had to pour drano into my clogged arteries a couple of years ago would probably have a fecal haemorrage if he knew I was even thinking of custards:mad:

garinda

24-02-2009 19:13

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 684835)

And the surgeon who had to pour drano into my clogged arteries a couple of years ago would probably have a fecal haemorrage if he knew I was even thinking of custards:mad:

Yeah, custard in your arteries usually requires surgical intervention.:D

Eric	24-02-2009 19:17

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Another poetic interlude: Yesterday we had Wilde ... how about a little Yeats:

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.";)

garinda

24-02-2009 19:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684824)

'Washington Post on line 2?'

'Tell them they'll have to hold.'

By the way, they were only on hold whilst I finalised a deal for one of the central players with OK magazine.

'At home in my luxury secret bunker.'

Royboy39

24-02-2009 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 684845)

Another poetic interlude: Yesterday we had Wilde ... how about a little Yeats:

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.";)

And Bullshine from the Job Site....'Dell Boy'. :eek::D

Mancie

24-02-2009 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 684824)

I've got a red ear, after having to answer the telephone so many times since Do-do-gate exploded.

'Washington Post on line 2?'

'Tell them they'll have to hold.'

OK I can see it now ..Do-Do gate the movie! Jaysay plays deepthroat...Andrew is Nixon.. so yourself Garinda can toss up between Robert Redford and Dustin hoffman...oeerr should I re-phrase that? :D

garinda

24-02-2009 21:49

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 684891)

OK I can see it now ..Do-Do gate the movie! Jaysay plays deepthroat...Andrew is Nixon.. so yourself Garinda can toss up between Robert Redford and Dustin hoffman...oeerr should I re-phrase that? :D

Me, work with dwarves?

No chance.

I'll be an innocent bystander, observing from a grassy knoll.

Whoops, wrong film.

No one was assassinated in Watergate.

:D

jaysay

25-02-2009 10:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Owen (Post 684766)

How many Council auditor's reports have you actually read?

Quite a few:p

jaysay

25-02-2009 10:22

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 684796)

LOL Panther .. I wonder if we put all the words end to end, how long would it stretch. Probably get over to Eric in Canada... :D

Or just about the circumference of Cllr Joneses head:D

garinda

25-02-2009 10:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 685074)

Or just about the circumference of Cllr Joneses head:D

Personally I always think it's better to have a large head, rather than a large belly.

After all it takes an awful lot of greedy consumption to achieve such an opulent girth, often at some great expense.:rolleyes:

jaysay

25-02-2009 11:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 685091)

Well what's one mans wine is another mans poison Rindi:rolleyes:

garinda

25-02-2009 11:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 685113)

Well what's one mans wine is another mans poison Rindi:rolleyes:

Shouldn't that be a 'hot dog and a can of Coke'?

:rolleyes:

jaysay

25-02-2009 16:13

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 685116)

Shouldn't that be a 'hot dog and a can of Coke'?

:rolleyes:

Whatever floats your boat mate:D

garinda

25-02-2009 16:50

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 685194)

Whatever floats your boat mate:D

Trust me, I could purchase much more to float my boat, or even to float down the Thames, for a tenner.;)

Eric	25-02-2009 16:58

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This is getting way off topic, wandering all over the back 40 so to speak ... so let's get back to some serious, thoughful discussion: now, those custards: do they have a sprinkling of nutmeg on them?;)

garinda

26-02-2009 00:55

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 685211)

It's nutmeg and some other spices.

If I told you, then I'd have to kill you, and I don't like hurting people.

Well, not unless they deserve it.:rolleyes:

claytonender

26-02-2009 07:13

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 685396)

It's nutmeg and some other spices.

If I told you, then I'd have to kill you, and I don't like hurting people.

Well, not unless they deserve it.:rolleyes:

The custard wouldn't taste right without the nutmeg.:)

jaysay

26-02-2009 08:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 685407)

The custard wouldn't taste right without the nutmeg.:)

Wouldn't know claytonender, ain't had one for years, waiting for the delivery man from Martins tuck shop:D:D

Eric	26-02-2009 19:37

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Just crossed my mind to ask if a council election is in the offing?

yerself

26-02-2009 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay

Wouldn't know claytonender, ain't had one for years, waiting for the delivery man from Martins tuck shop

You should have gone to the 'Bread Basket' across the road.:D:D

garinda

26-02-2009 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yerself (Post 685656)

You should have gone to the 'Bread Basket' across the road.:D:D

They're actually holiday naturists.

Enjoy your doughnuts.;)

:D

shillelagh

26-02-2009 20:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 685652)

Just crossed my mind to ask if a council election is in the offing?

This year is county council elections and european elections both being held on the same day in June. Borough council elections will be next year the next ones in May 2010.

Eric	26-02-2009 20:25

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 685668)

This year is county council elections and european elections both being held on the same day in June. Borough council elections will be next year the next ones in May 2010.

Thanx ... just wondered if all the heat generated by the expense account thing was linked to an upcoming election ...

By the way, what kind of voter turnout do you have in borough elections? As opposed to, say, elections for the national government? I would presume, tho' I don't know, that turnout for the European elections would be small.

shillelagh

26-02-2009 21:26

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Normally more turn out when its the general election rather than local elections.

These are from hyndburn borough councils website.
Search results

Overall turnout at the last Borough Council Elections held in May 2008 was 37.85%. View the 2008 Borough Council Election results.
Overall turnout at the County Council Elections in Hyndburn held in May 2005 was 59.47%.
For the Parliamentary Election held in May 2005, the electorate was 66,543. The turnout in Hyndburn was 59.59%

The general election and county council election were both on the same day.

European elections are one on their own ...

cashman

26-02-2009 21:31

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just fer interest, do ya know what percentage was fer european elections jen?

garinda

26-02-2009 21:34

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 685723)

just fer interest, do ya know what percentage was fer european elections jen?

I heard a rumour someone did vote.

It was said they lived somewhere in Accy somewhere.

:D

MargaretR

26-02-2009 21:34

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This shows who the MEPs are
North West | UK Office of the European Parliament
I have mailed two of them and they never bothered to reply:rolleyes:

claytonender

26-02-2009 21:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 685728)

This shows who the MEPs are
North West | UK Office of the European Parliament
I have mailed two of them and they never bothered to reply:rolleyes:

Margaret, which 2 MEP's did you mail?

shillelagh

26-02-2009 21:41

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Now you definately are asking for something!!!!!

Cos what happens with the european elections meaning its one on its own ... im dreading going and voting in june .... cos their elections are totally different to what happens in ours ......... ok according to their website ... the north west turn out was 41.46% ... 2004 Election Results | UK Office of the European Parliament

This is because instead of first past the post its proportional representation ... European Elections | UK Office of the European Parliament

MargaretR

26-02-2009 21:46

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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 685731)

Margaret, which 2 MEP's did you mail?

No 9 - Karim
No 3 - Davies

cashman

26-02-2009 21:48

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just a bit higher than the borough elections turn out, suprised me, but less than half fer both, don't say a right lot.

claytonender

26-02-2009 21:51

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 685736)

just a bit higher than the borough elections turn out, suprised me, but less than half fer both, don't say a right lot.

In 2004 the European election was all postal in the North West and I think the voting form (which was on Proportional Representation) was very confusing to many people.

cashman

26-02-2009 21:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 685739)

In 2004 the European election was all postal in the North West and I think the voting form (which was on Proportional Representation) was very confusing to many people.

yeh but the borough elections got even less of a turnout, very sad to me. cos they are not confusing.

Eric	26-02-2009 21:57

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Thanks guys for the info. .... so voter turnout is not all that great ... I wonder if it is lack of interest, shortage of grey matter, a sense of futility .... mmm, now if they allowed politicians to bribe voters, that may work ... let's bring wide open bribery and corruption, and do away with the secret ballot ....:mosher:

Eric	26-02-2009 21:58

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Oh, and free booze on election day ..... :thepint:

claytonender

26-02-2009 22:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 685735)

No 9 - Karim
No 3 - Davies

Maybe you just contacted the wrong MEP.

I met Gary Titley. Arlene McCarthy and Brian Simpson at conference in Southport in November. I get regular email updates from Arlene about things that are happening in the European Parliament.

I don't know how it works for the other parties but each Labour MEP has certain North West parliamentary constituencies that they 'look' after.

jaysay

27-02-2009 10:04

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Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 685748)

Tories are much the same, I'm on the mailing list from Robert Atkins and David Sumerg and I also look at their Web Sites too

cashman

27-02-2009 10:08

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 684160)

its a good job Adolf Hitler wasn't a tory,:eek: or andrew would be defending him! mind they did fund Oswald Mosley secretly so not beyond the bounds.:rolleyes:

QUOTE=andrewb;685817]I see a few of you have been confused. Well, I don't think being called a person who compares me with Hitler, is really that good a call, cashman, I can't believe you wonder why I disagree with you.------------------------------------------------------------
above was the post you had a childish tantrum about,when you sent me the P.M. as i explained in my reply to yer outburst, i was simply illustrating that anything in a Blue Rosette you would defend. which you denied, everything that has happened since simply re-enforce my view and i stand by that comment. like i told ya earlier, sorry it went oer yer head. although i fail too see how it went oer summat that big.:rolleyes:

MargaretR

27-02-2009 10:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 685748)

Maybe you just contacted the wrong MEP.

I don't know how it works for the other parties but each Labour MEP has certain North West parliamentary constituencies that they 'look' after.

The subject of my mail wasn't a local issue.
I chose Mr Davies because he is on the committe described as
Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety
and Mr Karim because of
Committee on International Trade, Subcommittee on Human Rights

Eric	27-02-2009 16:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 685882)

It probably didn't go over it; rather, it went thro' it .... in one ear, and out the other .... with little in between to impede its progress:rolleyes:

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