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It does not follow that if BJ is ousted….there would be a rush to Keir Starmer.
Tony Blair wrecked the Labour Party…..along with many aspects of UK society. I would never vote Labour again as long as I live….I would prefer to spoil my paper than vote for that obnoxious crew. And the Tory MP for Bury who has changed sides…what a hypocrite. He signed a bill that said if an MP changed their allegiance they should resign and have a bye election. The people of Bury voted in a Conservative MP and now have a Labour MP. |
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I am the same NEVER AGAIN sadly.
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My lass was a paid up party member for years, a staunch supporter…..but she is despairing of how the party has evolved.
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I should think not, don't you think we have enough bum's at the town hall.
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The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence – that is until you get there. We have two major elections this year, State in March and Federal in May, or thereabouts. The way people are talking now it looks like we will have a complete change of government in both cases, but is the alternative going to be any better? Who knows.
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Now that the waiting time between the second jab and the booster has been slashed to 3 months over here, and I believe that is the same over there, what do people think about it? Initially we were told that it was important to wait six months, then this went to five, then to four, and now it’s three. I find this to be a real worry, if six months was the criteria before, how safe is it now to have it slashed to three?
The original information we were given was that once 90% of the people were vaccinated things would be getting back to normal. Obviously this hasn’t worked, and so now it’s the booster thati is the carrot before the donkey. I don’t believe any of the garbage that we are told but it will be interesting to hear from the people who have actually had the booster in the three month’s space. Any takers? |
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Without any knowledge or proof i have a feeling that under labour we would have had even more and longer virus restrictions. Then for those of us who have not bought into the green agenda what we have seen already may be mild to what labour would have come out with.
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Have to say in my opinion Labour have Never bothered about the worker since that prat Corbyn was in charge and many are too thick to see that.
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Cashy, I think it goes back a lot further than that, but I would not dare to guess just how far.
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blair did some good stuff as well i reckon. till he sent lads to die.
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I cannot think of anything good that that evil war monger did.
He dismantled the fabric of society, he opened the doors to all comers….whether they had anything to contribute or not. He made benefits a way of life….again whether there had been contributions to the fund or not. He sent young men and women to theatres of war ill prepared and vulnerable. He lied again and again….he was the puppet of George W Bush and he had hie eyes on getting his name into the history books….and of course that WILL happen, but for the wrong reasons. I cannot think of anything at all that would redeem any of that. |
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Yes MH…I think you would have to go back a long way to find a Labour government that really knew what the working man needed to make his life liveable and acted on those needs.
The Politicians in general are so far removed from the lives that we live, that they cannot know the things that would make lives better for those who are working class(or is that term too in woke for them) We had an MP who knew how deprived our area is….he came from a working class background, but once he got to the city….it seemed like he forgot all about the things that would improve lives for the people who voted for him…..he became dismissive of his voters…..he somehow became superior. Something that those who voted for him ( I was one of those ) found hard to swallow. |
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I neither know nor care...although I did hear that he was hoping to rejuvenate his political career at some point in the future...when he thinks that maybe we have forgotten his betrayal of his voters, his background and the town.
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well i have to say i SHALL NOT FORGET. either, and im certainly not an elephant.
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Cashy…I I thought you said your memory was shot to bits :D
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Cashy, it is OK….if you by chance forget his betrayal…..I will remind you.
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back to the topic now. well our good old Biased Broadcasting Corporation were at it again this morning in the yorkshire area news. found another pet scientist worried about the figures and pushing the restrictions finishing too early narrative. as usual no one with the opposite view as usual. when or ever will this cease.
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Sorry Cashy, can't agree with that, the man stuck two fingers up to the Frogs, Germans and the rest of the so called European Community whilst others in his party were shouting him down and saying it would be economic and political suicide to go it alone. We had been going it alone from 1066 until we were conned in the 1970s to join in the great game of creating a European state with the two countries that hate everything British playing the leading role. I cannot put into words what I really would like to say because G.C.H.Q. might just send the"woke" thought police around to have a word in my shell like. |
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Taddy, I think you need not worry about .GCHQ….I feel that right now they will be fully taken up with listening to the intelligence that is going on re the situation in the Ukraine to be too bothered about the little people(that is you and me) in the UK.
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All this thrutching to get rid of BJ is engineered to destabilise the country at a time when the focus should be on making progress forward out of the pandemic.
We need to get on with the lives we suspended. As for the sins committed by Boris….and others in government….chewing them over will not change anything. Show me someone who says they did not break the rules…..and I will show you someone with a foggy memory….and No Nail holes in their hands and feet. And any adult in this country who does not recognise that those who consider themselves elite…..can do what they want…and it has always been so……and if you think it doesn’t happen then you are deluded. How can you tell if a politician is lying…..answer, their lips are moving! |
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We need to get on with the lives we suspended. As for the sins committed by Boris….and others in government….chewing them over will not change anything. Show me someone who says they did not break the rules…..and I will show you someone with a foggy memory….and No Nail holes in their hands and feet. funny how more people are wound up by boris and his parties but never mention the real problems of over 5 per cent inflation with fuel costs going sky high and even the basics in shops going through the roof in price. knowing public nature, those who are throwing the most stones may have broken the rules more than the others. |
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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263026]Taddy, I think you need not worry about .GCHQ….I feel that right now they will be fully taken up with listening to the intelligence that is going on re the situation in the Ukraine to be too bothered about the little people(that is you and me) in the UK.
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MH….this is called ‘distraction Politics’…..if the media can whip up some outrage….then it helps the establishment bury the bad news…..the fact that there is going to be rampant inflation if the NI rates are hiked….that there is a looming crisis that means some households are going to be thrust into fuel poverty….and that the rising cost of fuel means that it is inevitable that these costs for goods and services will reflect this.
Council tax will go up and yet wages are not keeping pace with these rising prices. Yes, it will be true that some pensioners will be making the choice whether to put on two more layers so that they can eat…or heat their home but miss a meal. The green levies on bills need to be pruned back…..and maybe the standing charges need to be reduced……every time the energy bills go up….the government are laughing because it puts a windfall of tax into their coffers for doing bu88er all. |
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Taddy you are welcome…..and if they came for you…..then sure as eggs are eggs they would come for me too.
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as sure as eggs are eggs people tell me the msm news dont bother mentioning the UKRAINE but focus on Birthday Cakes etc,all they are attempting is get rid of B.J. the remoaners and cummings. people have either short memories or are totally stupid imho.
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Cashy, they are brain rinsed….hard of thinking……they swallow what they are fed without chewing it over
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Thank you Cashy….I went to the school of diplomacy…..I only forget myself sometimes.
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new one came out yesterday. sainsbury,s wanting the muzzles to continue in their stores. well at least we know where not to shop now.
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Looking around today in both Accrington and Blackburn there seemed to ba as many wearing masks as there have been at any time….and not just in enclosed spaces, but out in the open air.
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i noticed the same when i went down accy, the bus was near full everyone bar 1 had a mask on, i did myself cos it was very busy, accy was the same.
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Yes I have seen that here…lone people in cars wearing a face mask.
There is a repot out today which is highly critical of the Nudge Units policies to get the population to comply with government suggestions. It cites posters with graphic images as being ‘grossly unethical’ and says they are akin to tactics used in communist China. The question is…..Will anything be done about it. And you can surely guess at the answer to that one. The whole thing has been about exerting control over the population by using fear tactics. I have not worn a mask. I will not wear a mask…..we cannot build up our own immune responses by not being exposed to bacteria and viruses……and there is some crossover immune response from viruses that are NOT Covid, but help our immune systems build a response to the Covid. The jab dies not encourage your immune system to make T Cells and B Cells. These are the killer cells that seek out and hunt down the virus. Maybe that is why the jab confers only a degree of protection against getting extremely sick and allow you to transmit the virus even though you might think you are protected. Recently, both my husband and I had the virus…he has worn a mask since day one….he got sick enough to put him in bed for three and a half weeks….whereas I felt a bit ropey for two days, but was well enough to get up and care for him and do all the other necessary chores that go with running a house. Perhaps my exposure to other airborne pathogens gave me the better immunity so that I had a milder version recovered fully sooner and was able to look after my other half. |
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Cashy, they might be stupid, or they may just have been scared witless by the drip, drip, drip of media fear tactics driven by the government nudge until of behavioural psychologists.
There has been a lot of misinformation sowed by the propaganda machine….from the hiding of relevant peer reviewed research to the skewed figures of infections, graphs, the lies about those hospitalised with the virus(who have been misleadingly reported as being in hospital for the virus….when they contracted the virus while there for some other reason) Deaths reported as being from the virus that were blatant lies. A friend of ours is till trying to get her husbands death certificate amended because it was recorded as the virus being the primary cause of death when he died of Alzheimer’s and had NEVER ever had a positive test. Fear is a great motivator….it is also a great divisive weapon. |
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Sometimes fear drives out logical thought Cashy.
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Those of us with a shifty & naturally mistrustful oulook on those things bigger than us, especially if they have lots of teeth, fur & claws learnt early on these things were best avoided & scuttled off in the oposite direction to the sounds of growls & unmerciful screams. We quickly learnt about the benefits of fire, clunking great clubs & pointy stick for our betterment & further evolution, right up to the point of apex predator & all round yobbling. Then we got civilised, our natural propensity for mayhem, destruction & general fondness towards casual violence sort of ebbed & we began to trust "people", there began the slippery slope of humanity. But deepseated within each one of us, some stronger, some weaker is the faint glimmer of racial memory, the throwback to the time of teeth, claws & fur. Those of us with a better developed sense of shifty distrustfulness tend to project this on the world & people around us enabling our inherent sense of self preservation, while the less fortunes, well ..... they happily toddle off towards the ripping teeth, jaws, claws & fur to be disembowled & etten in a violent frenzy of brutality by the beasties they'd forgotten to run away from. Taken from the dissertation from (Prof Emeritus) Dave W Williams "Uni of life & hard knocks" 1965 - to present |
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Well, there are a lot of people out there in the world who seem to have spit for brains…..and some of them are in politics.
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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263209]Cashy, we know that common sense is a plant that grows in not very many gardens.
Marge, I am over run with it on the allotment give me a shout if you want a cutting anytime.;);) |
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I have a good crop of it myself Taddy….in fact I was going to ask you if you wanted some for your allotment…..but if you have enough….then I am sure if you are down town you could sell a bit of it.
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Another leak or just a show to the public...£8.4 billion wasted on PPE thats completely wasteful and is going in the tip.
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[QUOTE=odders;1263314]Another leak or just a show to the public...£8.4 billion wasted on PPE thats completely wasteful and is going in the tip.
That's our money, and nobody's bothered.... What a joke this whole episode has been....complete fkn nonsense (fkn), what on earth could you mean by that? :enough: |
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Taddy ....show me who's interested.? Please who actually cares?
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We ain't gètting it back. Its money gone from society....wake up
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[QUOTE=odders;1263326]We ain't gètting it back. Its money gone from society....wake up
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On crap in the tip dont forget....
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The Nightingale Hubs that were built on the prognostications of the SAGE modellers…..who predicted that the hospitals would be inundated with Covid cases…..and cost 10.6 billion pounds of taxpayers cash have so far treated SEVEN patients.
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Well it was the modellers predictions….and SAGE seem to hang onto their predictions like a drowning man to a straw.
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They did not need them because the predictions were flawed….and Omicron was far less of a problem than Delta
What I wonder…..and I have not seen any reports regarding this. Had those prognostications come to pass….just where would they have got staff to run these Nightingale hubs. I know that governments need to ensure that all bases are covered, but truly none of the predictions from SAGE have come true. Oh and as for a change in career Less……don’t hold your breath. |
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No Less…in fact you could easily be a darned sight better because you are in touch with the us…the little people whose voice is often stifled.
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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263419]They did not need them because the predictions were flawed….and Omicron was far less of a problem than Delta
What I wonder…..and I have not seen any reports regarding this. many countries and even many people in this country do not realize that omicron is far less of the threat to peoples lives and health in general as delta and other varients were. they have a total obsession of case numbers rising and ignore everything else. just cannot ever see us getting back again to the old normal in any ways. any illness now will be blasted over the MSM to frighten without being put into context. afraid fear is the key. |
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if they give the true figures, case numbers are NOT rising they are decreasing but some are too daft to see that.plus the average age for deaths are 82.
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If the truth be told omicron has been a godsend.
It has allowed people to get a mild infection and make their own antibodies……and it has also caused them to make their own B and T killer cells which seek out the infection and kill it. This will have no nasty side effects in the future and is tailored to your own needs. Cashy we have been bamboozled from the very start. Figures were manipulated to create the maximum fear factor…..and this was successively ramped up and the population were brainwashed into complying with rules that have probably made little difference to the outcomes. People have still died, but then flu kills as many people every single year without all this social and economic disruption. People will continue to die in the future from this virus and others that may come along. But we should never be coerced into the jackboot control measures that were employed by the government at the behest of the government. |
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Cashy we have been bamboozled from the very start. Figures were manipulated to create the maximum fear factor…..and this was successively ramped up and the population were brainwashed into complying with rules that have probably made little difference to the outcomes. what did surprise me was how easily this manipulation was done. somehow i could never see my parents being taken in like the majority have and would have pushed back against them from day 1. could never have seen my ma wearing a face muzzle going shopping after all the time it took her on her make up before leaving the house. |
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Was not hard to bamboozle people mate, no one had a clue how bad this virus was? the government were being advised by village idiots.
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Scientists Cashy….but the Wrong kind of scientists. (Which is actually worse than relying on the village idiots because letters after their name give them credibility)
And they were responsible for vast sociological damage that will be felt for decades. They repressed any information from other scientists by calling it dis information. I do not subscribe to ANY social media to have my opinions formed for me. I search out information from reliable sources….sources with a scientific background. In the initial phase of the infection the doctors were using the wrong treatments….many patients died because of this rather than from the effects of the virus. My views have not changed from the beginning. We were manipulated….all of us….even those who felt what was being done was wrong had to follow rules that did not protect, but only made it look like something was being done |
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long covid could be the discription of untreated or undiagnosed illnesses that have occured over the last two years plus the tipping over the edge of the mentally frail.
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All viruses have the ability to create long term problems…..do you remember the term ‘yuppie Flu’ this was a term used to describe what is now called ME(myalgic enceplalomyelitis)….also known as Chronic fatigue syndrome….it is thought to be an auto immune response to infection.
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deaths and hospital admissions are decreasing the government say on todays news, so if things carry on like this RESTRICTIONS will end at the end of this month,, i personally agree with that, LABOUR are objecting lol all i can say is after a lifetime of voting labour, anyone who objects to that is a complete waste of time, in my view. anyone voting for clowns like the LABOUR Party is wrong in the head, defo a screw loose.some will now call me but i dont give a stuff.
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labour are just showing by this how they possibly would have handled things from the start. no one has criticised johnson more than me but with them i have a feeling we could have ended up like canada, australia and new zealand. its something that the left has always loved, the control of the masses.
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If you said to Labour ‘it is daylight’ they would tell you that it is dark.
I get the feeling that the argue the toss for arguments sake…not because they have anything positive to add…but just so that it looks like they are ‘opposing’….opposing has to be done with intelligence and knowledge….and I have to say this lot couldn’t pour pee from a shoe unless the instructions were written on the sole. The statistics can be made to say anything. It would have helped if we had had a level of honesty and transparency from the outset. Like the numbers of people who have actually died because of the virus…rather than with it. The number of people who have died from heart attacks, Cancer and other long term illnesses because they have not been able to access the care that they need. My daughter was supposed to have a scan last June….it has been postponed so many times….and she still has not had this follow up scan. So those who did not die from Covid may just be a Covid statistic because their disease process was ignored. We have been controlled and bamboozled and there will be very many people who will continue to dodge you like you have the plague and continue wearing masks and avoid living their lives. |
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thats summed up perfectly to me, Labour in general DO NOT GIVE A STUFF about people, ITS CONTROL they want of the masses.
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One of the things that has effected me is that I no longer ride my bike, something I used to do regularly before covid.
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[QUOTE=Less;1263750]One of the things that has effected me is that I no longer ride my bike, something I used to do regularly before covid.
Stopped using it because of covid lock down, it's in the kitchen being ignored and so neglected the tyres are as flat as my enthusiasm to take it out, I don't think I'll ever use it again, what a waste. Please tell me where you live and I shall come and pick it up. (if it's going for naught ? that is) and if it's not to far away. I will be three score years and fifteen tomorrow but I would love to ride a bike again. (only partially joking). |
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Taddy…Happy Birthday for tomorrow.
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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1263755]Taddy…Happy Birthday for tomorrow.
I suppose you will be stopping some Hobgoblins from going off? Thanks for that Marge but I don't need a birthday or any other reason for suppin my four pint daily dose of Hobby Gobby.:D:D |
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those of us living in the north should all be on vitamin D tablets all the time especially us pennine chain livers.
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For a number of years we(my other half and I) have got into the habit of taking Vitamin D from the start of October to when the clocks go forward.
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well margaret you cannot be called an anti pill popper anyway.
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Those are the only pills I take….himself takes more prescribed stuff.
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i have been told vit D is the one dunno if its true.
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If anyone wonders why some people distrust Bill Gates involvement in mass vaccinations, find time to listen to the first five minutes of this.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlygUb9RVgA[/ Interesting, but it won’t allow me to copy the link but it’s from Dr. John Campbell’s web site yesterday and the subject is B*ll G*yes and Australia. Paranoid, moi? |
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