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no it dont say we were duped at all they were the best of a bad lot and at least they wanted us OUT. the only party that did.

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Boris should have sacked Matt Hancock....not for his dalliance, but for contravention of the rules that were in place...especially as this man was so scathing about Neil Ferguson slinking off to meet his doxy....yet here he was doing the self same thing.
His apology was hollow...the only thing he was sorry for was that he had been caught.

My sympathies lie with his family....who have been left humiliated by this man.

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Yes Cashy...they were the only ones that would take us out of the toxic EU.
I really don’t think they are idiots in power...I think they are cunning and devious...but maybe they want us to believe they are idiots....it is better that than we believe them to be the rogues the are.

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i suspect hancock has summat on boris and thats why he didnt sack him, but to me its pretty obvious whats gone on behind the scenes.

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That maybe the case Cashy, but it may be that Boris could not stand to be labelled a hypocrite....because he would most certainly be called that.
Although, he was not in public office when he had his dalliances...nor was he contravening rules that he had put into place.
If Boris had made it clear that the sacking was because of the contravention of the rules rather than the illicit affair, then maybe he would have gained some respect.
As it is, this dalliance has brought Matt Hancock down(no bad thing) and has damaged the shaky integrity of the PM.

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it could be worse, there might be other bigger idiots in power. at least with diane abbott as health secretary though we,d get a laugh at the figues she would come out with.

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I suspect, Margaret, that it’s not an agenda but many agendas.
For our lightweight politicians, who bend with the wind of focus groups, the agenda is not to be blamed, for anything. They’ve dug a hole so deep (one death is too many) they can’t easily get out.
For other governments, like China, the agenda, as ever, is to extract advantage over the weakening western economies.
For avowed Marxist and obsessive ‘scientists’ and behaviourists on Sage, it’s the ideal way to play their games of manipulating people to fit their weird principles.
For billionaire ‘philanthropists’ who, similarly want to change the world, but (let’s just hope) for reasons different to the Marxists, their agenda is to control information on their big tech platforms to only allow what is ‘woke’.
For the drug companies and big Pharma…we’ll, we don’t have to think too much about their agenda.
But the biggest shame must fall on the medical establishment, which has either hidden away or collaborated in denigrating and cancelling dissenting voices. Just read about the role of what was once regarded as a bastion of medical science - The Lancet.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...N-BIRRELL.html

Daily Mail is not my go-to source of information but, if true, then it’s clear that The Lancet’s agenda is as old as the hills - MONEY.

The Lancet is owned by RELX, which used to be Reed Elsevier, which grew out of Elsevier that itself appears to have had a far from pristine reputation. I wonder why they have to keep changing the name?

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so he has gone so what. i really doubt it will have any affect whatsoever on our lives and the future. just a better communicator to come in selling us the same old stuff taken from the same pet medics and scientists.

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just wonder if your old mate had not died with the virus your views may have been different on the subject. its harder for someone like you to be totally objective when something has happened so close to home for you. on the other hand if you have been involved you might have a better understanding of the whole affair.

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sadly the tories are the best of a bad lot i think.

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Yes Exile.....that is what I was alluding to, without actually saying it.....it is really a global agenda.....but the aim is to remove the freedoms of the common man all over the world.
To exert control in every area of our lives...how we work, how we live, how we travel(or more importantly, how we are restricted from travel - that is a privilege that the elite will be in charge of).....it is all linked, a web that will restrict everything we find pleasant, hopeful and uplifting.
There is a quote from the Bible......’and the living will envy the dead’.
This may not transpire in my lifetime, ut unless there is some kind of uprising....or revolution, I can see nothing good about the future.

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it could always be worse than the tories or labour for that matter. we could all live in the USA under the control of the stuttering care home resident in waiting joe biden. one thing he,d get rid of the dingy boys overnight. there would be a free luxury liner leaving france at regular intervals for em.

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Seems like we may be heading for the New World Order situation, where the Elite control everything.

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I found this interesting on the development and history of New World Order.
https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020...w-world-order/

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I suspect we may already be there, Mark.

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so they would be doing things officially instead of it being unofficial that the elite control everything like now in the majority of the world.

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Have just read Hyndburn has one of the worst Vaccine uptakes in the country. why does that not surprise me?:rolleyes: no wonder we are high in infections.

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would be interesting to have a table on the percentages that have been vaccinated in areas against the number of cases that have cropped up. if they were truthful it would show if hyndburn was a one off or part of a trend.

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all i know mate is Hyndburn has over 600 new cases this week.

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Are these 600 people who have tested positive?
Are they actually sick with this virus?..or just those who are isolating because of a positive PCR.
Because there is a difference.
The rate of admissions to hospital remain low....in no way threatening to overwhelm the services....yet the services are far from being resumed.
The death rate remains low too...and we are not told if those who died really died from the infection or from some other cause but within 28 days of a positive test.
Statistics mean very little when they are given with little or no context.
But that is how thebpopulation have been kept compliant.
It is called Mushroom Management.....feed them $h1t and keep them in the dark.

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true stats are fine but not if there is an agenda behind them and are screwed to just underline and push a pre determined one. its the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth thats been lacking.

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MH, throughout this situation we have been given statistics that either have no context(and therefore mean very little) or we have been given statistics that have been manipulated.

I don’t know where Cashy obtained that figure, but if it came from the local press I would be very sceptical of it.....in fact I would be sceptical full stop (and I know that will come as no surprise at all).

I know very few people who have been afflicted with this......I have known lots who have tested positive and isolated, but have not had a twinge, a headache, a sore throat.
I have known people who have died of other things, but their death has been recorded as a Covid death....so is it really surprising that I distrust what I am being told?

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there has been many died from other things and recorded as covid, no doubt at all. but when you know someone that did die from it with no crap underlying then yeh look at it different or at least i do.

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Cashy, I accept that, but I do not accept that this virus is as transmissible as it is made out.
If that were the case why have whole families not contracted this virus?
Why do I know so few people who have actually been ill with this.
A Positive PCR test means nothing in the absence of symptoms...though the powers that be will tell you that these symptomless people are the ones spreading the virus.
Because that is what they wish you to believe.
You must believe that everyone you come into contact with is transmitting this virus.....because if you did not believe, then you would not comply.

The way to control a population is to keep them fearful......because fearful people will do exactly what they are told to do.

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i am not prepared to take that chance, what you do is entirely up to you.

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Every day we get out of bed...life is a risk.
And of course....you have to determine what is the right level of risk for you.
But there is no such thing as a risk free life.

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before the virus there will have been loads of people with one or more of the covid syptoms especially in the present hay fever season. i get a touch of that so many days i wake up with a sore throat, sniffles, sneezes and sometimes headaches if i sleep too deeply. people just got up and got on with it. now they are convinced they have caught the virus. then you have the kids who are doing stuff to get positive tests till they can have more time off school. thats if they get there in the first place as they know what to say to their parents to get off school. cannot blame em as i wish this had been around when i was a kid. only had the old banana trick to rely on. eating one knowing it would make me sick in about 30 minutes to get another day off.

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I have Hay fever too....but I know that it IS that because I do not have any muscle aches and no raised temperature.....sometimes I am sneezy, sometimes it is my eyes that prickle and water....but I would not have a test on these symptoms....they are the usual ones I get every year.

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There's a novelty, a Monkey that can't cope with Narnas! :D

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To be honest i have NEVER regarded life as a risk? i have always enjoyed it the best i can.

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I am glad that you have always enjoyed your life Cashy. That is exactly what life is about, but every single activity that we pursue has an element of risk attached to it.
While you may not realise this(maybe because the risks are so small)...it is true.

I would hazard a guess that you have home insurance and life insurance.
Why?
I will tell you..it is just in case something happens that is out of your control....something that is a risk.
When you go on jaunts abroad...you get travel insirance don't you?
again this is to protect you from unwanted and unforseen happenings...otherwise known as 'risks'.

While I was working I was a risk assessor for our unit....and there ARE risks in everything that we undertake daily...however small...they are there.

However, this does not mean that I do not enjoy life...or that you should not enjoy what you do...because many of those risks pose very little threat to us.

Covid has a recovery rate of 99.3% this means in real terms that the risk(of dying) is low.
Because you have taken advantage of the vaccination program it is even less of a risk for you.

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we do have insurance yep but thats just life to me,but as to worry about stuff not a hope in hell.:)

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Cashy, having insurance is to hedge your bets against the risks life has.
It is the sensible action of protecting yourself against the risks.

Nowhere did I say or imply that these risks worried you...in fact I said that most of the risks we encounter daily are negligible.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255059]

While I was working I was a risk assessor for our unit....and there ARE risks in everything that we undertake daily...however small...they are there.

However, this does not mean that I do not enjoy life...or that you should not enjoy what you do...because many of those risks pose very little threat to us.

a lot of what we do has always been risky. its just that we do not bother about them and are part of our lives. when we cross a road we look out and listen for traffic and not just walk across it. there will always be freak accidents that you have no power to do anything about. however there seem to be an increasing amount of people around who live in fear of anything that may or may not happen and nothing you can say will ever alter their opinions.

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thats the first time in many years i have just realised that. mind you i,m a non vegitarian, non fruit eating species. get that bacon on i,m hungry.

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whats everyones take on the so called freedom day. for me nothing has really changed. went for my 6 month eye check up and their regulations are exactly the same. london transport for the unfortunates that have to exist down there still the same. some supermarkets attempting to make non muzzle weares feeling uncomfortable. there must be other things i have missed or not encountered. makes me wonder who is running the country. anyone who went their own way when the regulations came in were quickly fined but now they are cancelled it seems you can doo what you want with no opposition. surely you cannot have it both ways.

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It seems that those who complained about wearing masks, are still wearing them.
I have been on public transport for the first time since the pandemic started....I think there were only three people not wearing masks.....and the bus was full.
I have no issues with those who think they will be safer wearing their mask....even though I would guess that all of those on the bus today were double jabbed....they obviously are not confident in the ability of this vaccine(?) to protect them.

I have not worn a mask from the outset...I have a medical exemption....I felt that once all this people who felt they were at risk, had been jabbed, they would ditch this badge of compliance...but no....they complain, but continue to wear masks.
So...like you I feel that little has changed.
I admit I did not try going in a pub and going to the bar to order food or drink.....maybe that has changed.

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i have never stopped using public transport,though have been on bus yesterday wearing my mask,not cos i have no faith in the vaccine simply cos i do not wish some cretin to give me the virus, i am aware of someone who has been double jabbed to have it.

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So although you say you trust the vaccine...you clearly do not.
And it is just as likely that the person that can give you the virus is double jabbed too.

So just what is the point of having the vaccine(?) then....oh yes, you get sick but you don’t die(or at least that is the hope)
A vaccine that does not prevent you from getting the virus and does not stop you from passing it on...well, that is not a vaccine.

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i will not get it badly if i do i reckon but i do not want it simple as.and i assume some cretin can give it me.

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If the person who gives it to you is double jabbed...and wearing a mask....are they still a cretin?
Or are you just unlucky?

I have been cautious, going out and about, and I do not think you can do more than look after yourself in whatever way you feel is appropriate.
Everyone was told to be jabbed would give them freedom...but yet it hasn’t.
There are members of the SAGE group who are in an organisation that wants there to be zero Covid before restrictions are lifted.
These are not medical professional...virologists, epidemiologists, respiratory specialists....they are behavioural psychologists and their aim is controlling how the population behave...they want to continue to exert control on every aspect of our lives.

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SAGE to me is as much use as breasts on a bloke.

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Actually mate, it'd give you something to play with without all the chatting up, buying drinks & taking them for something to eat to get a go of their funbags! :D ;)

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That is very likely true....but they are the ones deciding what we, the population can be allowed to do.
They are the ones pulling government strings....so while they may be useless, they ARE calling ALL the shots.
And those who have no medical credentials seem to have the biggest say in the matter.

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do not go down that line. their was something on youtube last week showing a bloke or ex bloke now with a baby on his chest. its not a brave new world we are in its a sick new world. this trans lobby can do one big time for me.

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SAGE without their onions is a bit pointless anyway.

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Well done Eric Clapton

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[QUOTE=ferret man;1255391]Well done Eric Clapton.

Sorry but thats a bit deep for my simple mind, you will have to explain it's meaning.
Your's the Luddite, (in more ways than one).;);)

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Think it may be in reference to this

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57934379

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Cheers D I G

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1255413]Think it may be in reference to this

Cheers Dave.

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No worries Lads, happy to oblige! :)

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i really do hope that any MP that votes for vaccine passports does not dare even consider laying wreaths down on remembrance sunday.You cant do that if you spit in the face of all those that gave their lives to preserve freedom and fight the likes of people that think like Boris and his chums.

just because the French are doing it we dont have to.If we had copied them in WW2 we would have surrendered to Hitler

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doubt the vast majority of people are bothered about showing proof of vaccination if they do not frequent or likely to frequent the places you need them. will be a different story once they increase the places where they are needed. then it will be too late. i can be included in this. was never bothered about last years restrictions till it affected me with the face muzzles. i woke up but again too late.

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Headline in today's Daily Mail, "No Jab, No Job). The foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, appears to back the idea, he describes the approach by firms in the states as "smart policy" but is being accused of introducing vaccine passports by stealth.
I am looking foreward to comments on Accy Web.

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Over to you Marge.

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here we go with the dreaded word Smart again. anything regarded with that word is quite the opposite. funny that before the restrictions were eased the other week nothing like this or the interest in it ever really came up. give us an inch and they,ll take a yard.

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The same newspaper(online version) is saying that two thirds of the population are in favour of authoritarian bans for unvaccinated people. They include public transport, cafes, pubs and non essential shops.
They did a poll to determine this gem.
How many people did they survey?
1500.....there are approximately 67 million people on this island....so help me here,(I failed Math at school) what might that be in percentage terms?

I will say it again for those out there in the population who are hard of thinking.....you got vaccinated to protect yourself from the virus......if you do not believe the vaccine protects you...then why did you have it?
The unvaccinated (if you believe that this IS a vaccine) would, therefore pose NO THREAT to you BECAUSE YOU ARE VACCINATED.

Happy now Taddy?

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Same sort of thing happening here, govt say they will not enforce compulsory vaccination, but those not jagged may have difficulties accessing certain facilities & options, so sounds pretty much like a back door enforcement to my way of thinking.


Furthermore, rulings at present going through the Reichstag want those entering Germany from wherever to present a certificate of "Purity" (been jagged), "recovered" (had the plague & survived) or an "All clear" proof of testing prior to departure from your last country of residence/visiting before entering the "Fatherland".


All sounds pretty much like involuntary compulsion to me. :mad:

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put it this way i have nothing to fear from vac passports at all,if i owned a care home or the like i would not accept staff back that refused the jab unless it was medical reasons, some wont like that but i dont give a monkies.

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So you are in favour of authoritarian tactics then?
That is the start of a very slippery slope.
What other enforcements might follow as a result of the apathy against this unethical practice.
The residents are vaccinated....so protected? Yes?....or maybe this vaccine is not a vaccine but a genetic treatment....it certainly does not fit the description of a vaccine.
Vaccines prevent the infection and transmission, but this doesn’t do that.....so why have something if you feel it does not protect.

Cashy, if I were a care worker...being paid peanuts for doing the back breaking work and my employer gave me that ultimatum...I would leave.
If he/she valued my work then they would accept my choice as to whether to have the vaccination or not....and I know there are people who do not want to be part of LabRat UK.

The care worker is at more risk from those in their care

Not only that I would take my employer to an employment tribunal for constructive dismissal.

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if it means safer thats fine with me i believe it does.

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So you are prepared to give up the freedoms that you forefathers died to give us?

You are prepared to take enforced orders from government(who do not have your best interests at heart..what ever you may believe)?
Isn't that how the Nazi regime did its' dirty work?
Isn't that why the Nuremberg code was instituted...so that people were not enforced or coerced to take medications without their permission?...and that needed informed consent.

Thank god I am at the bum end of my life...there is no future...or not one that is worth looking at!

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255545]The same newspaper(online version) is
Happy now Taddy?

What made you think that my perfectly reasonable comment was aimed specifically at you Marge? but then again ;);) all meant in the best possible taste.
Stay safe, stay happy, keep posting, Regards, Taddy.

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If it means WHAT is safer?


Life has always had risks...and the risk of this virus is that 99.3% of those who get this infection will recover. That is a risk of 0.7%
Some will never know they have had it.


There has been so much mis-reporting that has been calculated to worry and create fear in the population.
I have said from the beginning of this that the government want you to remain fearful, because that makes you so much easier to control.


I am more fearful of the government motives than I am of the virus.

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So in this post you did not mean me then Taddy...
Which Marge was it then?

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[QUOTE=taddy;1255552]
Yes it was a perfectly reasonable comment...where was it that I implied that it wasn't, because I can't see it.....and it wasn't this particular post I was referring to, it was post 2026...as indicated above

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any fool knows life has always had risks, and no matter what rubbish you think margaret i am not fearful at all, i just use what i regard as common sense, also if you think anyone can control me you are one off,it looks to me like you think you are correct and anyone thinking different is afraid,

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Cashy it looks to me like you think that my thoughts are 'rubbish'.
They are not the same as yours..that is true...and they have not changed right from the start, but they are MY thoughts...
I do not expect anyone else to own them, to agree with them, but I do like to think that I can express them as being MY thoughts.

And if you think you are not being controlled then so be it.

It is not a case of being correct it is a case of questioning the logic....and there doesn't appear to be any where this is concerned.
(the figures do not add up, we are being told that people have died from Covid...when what they mean is that they have had a positive test within the last 28 days...it is NOT the same thing.
We have been lied to all along...people going into hospital with one thing the being counted in the figures..because they caught the virus in hospital...but we are led to believe that is why they went in....there have been so many untruths told...misled by bogus figures, out of date figures, guesses as to the number of infections...it DOES make you question)

As for people being afraid...of course they are afraid and that is what the government wants..that is what the propaganda has been about from the very outset.

I do NOT expect you to agree with me..in fact i would fall off my chair and do myself an injury if you did.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255556][QUOTE=taddy;1255552]


Yes it was a perfectly reasonable comment...where was it that I implied that it wasn't, because I can't see it.....and it wasn't this particular post I was referring to, it was post 2026...as indicated above

Ah well maybe I should stop posting my (tongue in cheek) comments because that is all they are, no seriousness intended.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255560]Cashy it looks to me like you think that my thoughts are 'rubbish'.
They are not the same as yours..that is true...and they have not changed right from the start, but they are MY thoughts...
I do not expect anyone else to own them, to agree with them, but I do like to think that I can express them as being MY thoughts.

And if you think you are not being controlled then so be it.

It is not a case of being correct it is a case of questioning the logic....and there doesn't appear to be any where this is concerned.
(the figures do not add up, we are being told that people have died from Covid...when what they mean is that they have had a positive test within the last 28 days...it is NOT the same thing.
We have been lied to all along...people going into hospital with one thing the being counted in the figures..because they caught the virus in hospital...but we are led to believe that is why they went in....there have been so many untruths told...misled by bogus figures, out of date figures, guesses as to the number of infections...it DOES make you question)

As for people being afraid...of course they are afraid and that is what the government wants..that is what the propaganda has been about from the very outset.

just why are people like us finding it increasingly difficult to get our points of view made public if the government has nothing to fear from this point of view. on top of this what does the governments aim in the end. 100 per cent vaccinated and zero covid. do think thats their big aim but its not going to happen. those waiting for treatment for other life threatening ailments that are still available only get mentioned by a few lines and sentances by X amount waiting for operations against the pages and hours spent on the virus and things concerning it. do not know, but i,ve love to have a little wager that if this virus raised its head 50 years ago the population would have had a far different take on it with so less fear involved. just imagine again if HIV and AIDS was spreading through the world as it was in the 80,s. certain sections of the community would have real problems in todays world. murders and stoneings in some lands would be everyday happenings.

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Taddy, it seemed like in post 2064 you had taken the huff about my reply (but maybe I am wrong)....All I had done was respond....nothing nasty, just a comment.
So...should we BOTH stop posting comments?
I am already posting less and less....
Then the forum shrinks, curls up and dies.

No that is not the answer.
Comments are just that....comments.
Mine are mine...yours are yours.
Sometimes we align.....sometimes we don’t.
That does not matter one jot....that we have posted a comment is what matters.
Nothing more.

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MH....we are not listened to because we question the agenda that underlies all of this situation.
We do not swallow all the media generated pap.
The media are in it up to their necks....the government generate fear and the media magnify it with their spin.
The real victims of the virus are not the ones who died...many of them were at the end of what had been productive lives(I am sorry if this offends the sensibilities of those who do not agree).
The real victims are those who have life limiting conditions, and have been unable to access health care, investigations, treatments....and those whose lives are permanently blighted by the loss of their education.
Those who now live in fear of a smile, or a touch...just in case(in their double jabbed State) they unluckily get the virus.
How sad a place life has become when we cannot hug family members at a funeral....but the Euro football and Wimbledon can go ahead unhindered....and people like Dom Cummings, Neil Ferguson, Matt Hancock et al can do just as THEY please.

So that is it....yes...they do want us all to have a vaccine that is not a vaccine....that does not protect.
They want to stop all sorts of discrimination.....people of colour are not to be discriminated against, LBGTQ.....are to be protected yet those who exercise a choice about having an drug that is still in the third stage of trials.....well the government are actively encouraging this form of discrimination.
Is it because Big Pharma know some dirt on politicians and governments...because it sure as hell feel like it.
Welcome to LabRat Uk....the place where drug companies can test their products without fear of litigation....and all for FREE.
Oh yes and the unvaccinated are the Control group.

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do not include me in people that are afraid margaret, i have nothing to be afraid of at all.and as for being controlled you carry on if yeh think that, i certainly do not. thats what i reckon is rubbish those two things which i think you seemed to imply, if that is wrong then i do not mean it nasty, its my opinion and just the way i talk.

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Governments have always used fear as a manipulator. The Cold War was an excuse to have many more nuclear weapons than we needed. If we didnt have them and couldnt respond in a massive way to a Russian attack we were told we would be wiped out.

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Cashy, if you had not been afraid of getting the virus, then you would not have been vaccinated.....and yes, we were all controlled.
We were in lockdown...is that not control.
It it isn’t then what is it?
Wearing a mask...that is control...you were doing what you were told to do...if someone tells you what to do and you do it, then they(whoever they are) are exerting control.
Now you may tell me that this was what you wanted to do to protect yourself....but you were not allowed to choose...it was mandatory.
So......yes...you were controlled.
The government also has used the service of behavioural psychologists.
These people are experts in the nudging you into a situation...one where yo are unaware of the control being exerted over you...they use covert tactics to ensure that you do the ‘right thing’.

As for the ‘rubbish’ comment...yes Cashy...I know that is your particular way of expressing a point...and I know it is not meant in a nasty way.
I consider that I am multi lingual.....and while I cannot outdo Ma with her thirteen languages...I can speak three...English, rubbish and gibberish...and I know I am fluent in the last two.

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that to me is nonsense i have flu jabs every year not cos im afraid cos to me its common sense, i once missed by accident and was in bed for nearly 2 weeks with a right dose,

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Well, Cashy..of course it is common sense for you to get the flu jab....because yo do not want to get Flu....but that does not mean that in this current situation....you were NOT controlled, because...if you followed the rules laid down at the start of this crisis....you were having control exerted over your everyday life.

You can call it nonsense...or rubbish, but we were as a NATION, told what we could do....and the police were given powers to make sure that you did.
Covid restrictions were passed into LAW
The government told you what you could and could not do.

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Not only that Cashy...you are in favour of more government control over our lives.

You have indicated that you approve of the removal of personal choice when it comes to having the jabs.

This is a very slippery slope and one that will benefit only two of the snakes of society...lawyers and Pharma.

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im in favour of the fools getting vaccinated what have no reasonable excuse for not being so,you may excuse those selfish sods but i do not.personal choice for an idiot NEVER.

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So personal choice is not for everyone then Cashy....is that what you are saying..because if that IS what you are saying, then you are saying that vaccination should be mandatory. You are not in favour of equality of rights it seems.
This is unethical.

You had your choice to be vaccinated, yet you deny that choice to those who are not ready to have a jab that is still in third stage of trials...it is only licensed because emergency legislation was passed to allow this.

Why should you be concerned about those who are NOT vaccinated? .....you are so you should feel safe from those you consider to be idiots for exercising personal choice.

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because quite simply they can contract it and give it to others, that bothers me.

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So...NOT a vaccine then.
And you can just as easily pass it on to those ‘idiots’ who do choose to have the jab...but then I guess you reckon that is equality....sort of fair.

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Cashie, you imply that someone who has not had the vaccine is an idiot. Well, let me first of all say, irrespective of the fact that at my age I do not have as many brain cells left as I used to have – but then none of us do, and I might not be the brightest kid on the block compared to some, I do not consider myself to be an idiot.

I will also point out that I am certainly not against vaccinations, as long as the vaccine that is being jabbed into me has been well and truly tested. I have the flu jab every year, and I had the whooping cough vaccine when my great-granddaughter was born. Needles don’t bother me, I have regular blood tests, and at one time I was a blood donor.

Having got all that out of the way I have to say that the AstraZeneca vaccine especially is a great source of worry to me and I hesitate to roll up my sleeve for it, do not want to do so. Maybe it is a drawback that I am a person who thinks about things carefully, that I consider every aspect, maybe my problem is I think too much.

I know from what you have written in the past, Cashie, that you feel safe now that you are vaccinated and you have implied that you are not concerned about other people. I am. I am concerned for the important people in my life. I am concerned about any long-term effects in years to come, not so much for me – I will probably have been turned into ashes and thrown to the wind by then, but I am concerned for all the young people. No-one knows (not even the smartest amongst us) of any possible long-term effects.

By the very way that messages from those in charge are so mixed and change by the week, if not by the day, gives me no confidence whatsoever. Eventually I will probably have the jab – but this will be because I want to be free to go where I like and if by having it means I can (although I think it is a form of blackmail to threaten that we have to have a vaccination passport, should it come to that) then so be it. It doesn't mean that I would have done this willingly.

One last message to you, Cashie. Don’t become complacent because you have been jabbed – you could still get the virus, although I hope you don’t (I know, you won’t get it as bad, or so they say – really!) and you can still definitely be contagious. To coin one of your sayings – simple as.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255567]Taddy, it seemed like in post 2064 you had taken the huff about my reply (but maybe I am wrong)....All I had done was respond....nothing nasty, just a comment.
So...should we BOTH stop posting comments?
I am already posting less and less....
Then the forum shrinks, curls up and dies.

No that is not the answer.
Comments are just that....comments.
Mine are mine...yours are yours.
Sometimes we align.....sometimes we don’t.
That does not matter one jot....that we have posted a comment is what matters.

Margaret, yes you are wrong to believe that I would take the huff over a few lines on a computer screen. it would take something really serious like a shortage of Hobgoblin in order for me to take the huff as you put it.
Stay Safe, Stay happy, Your's the ale loving Luddite.

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sorry dottie you have only to look back a couple of posts to see you are wrong.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1255595]Yes...of course...I just knew you had your priorities right......and that you would not bleed over what is posted on here...unless it is a negative slur against the amber liquid.

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[QUOTE=cashman;1255572]do not include me in people that are afraid margaret, i have nothing to be afraid of at all.and as for being controlled you carry on if yeh think that, i certainly do not. thats what i reckon is rubbish those two things which i think you seemed to imply, if that is wrong then i do not mean it nasty, its my opinion and just the way i talk

You and me both Cashy, Millions of people have died worldwide, millions are still dying and yet still the anti vax brigade march on with their conspiracy theories
I have had both jabs as has Mrs Taddy, we can only hope that they are effective.

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yes, but you didn,t go round telling all and sundry that you caught the flu that c ould have killed you. with this virus i cannot remember any person coming on the box that have not caught the thing. it seems like a badge of courage saying that they caught it and have recovered. there are very few i actually know who have reported that they have had the virus. funny how all but one have been people who you knew would catch it as if anything ever is going around you knew they would not want to miss out. my ex wife and son are like that. at home we knew the phone would be going telling me their news.

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[QUOTE=taddy;

You and me both Cashy, Millions of people have died worldwide, millions are still dying and yet still the anti vax brigade march on with their conspiracy theories
I have had both jabs as has Mrs Taddy, we can only hope that they are effective.[/QUOTE]

do not think there is an organised so called anti vax brigade. its a number of individuals that do not want to be jabbed for different reasons. i was wary right from the outset by the speed it came out in the first place plus the governments near insistance that we have to comply with their wishes. once they get away with this there will be something else on its way that they require us to do. we all know boris and his mates but remember how bad it would have been if labour and a blair type was in power for any freedoms.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255551]So you are prepared to give up the freedoms that you forefathers died to give us?

You are prepared to take enforced orders from government(who do not have your best interests at heart..what ever you may believe)?
Isn't that how the Nazi regime did its' dirty work?
Isn't that why the Nuremberg code was instituted...

Well over the top, where the hell did you dig up from, at the times you are talking about we did not even have the N.H.S, it did not come into being until after the war and as for even comparing this government with the Nazi party you are well out of line but then again I have no doubt that you will play your get out of jail card again by saying that is not what you really meant.
After saying on another post that it takes more than a few lines on a computer screen to give me "the huff", this one rally has.
Your's in disgust, Taddy.

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Most people seem to have opinions and comments about the vaccine. Such opinions are yours and I respect your right to have them and post them.

If you dont like a post , ignore it. It is very unlikely the writer will change their thoughts because you disagree. We do seem though to go round in circles. People have/ havent had the jab for their reasons. If the Government brings in legislation to enforce the jab, dont vote for them next time round.
Idont know anybody on here personally, but looking at the quality of the posts, I doubt anybody is an Idiot.

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Tads mate, calm down, Ma didn't equate the Govt with the Nazi Party, she merely referenced the reason the Nürnberg Code came into being back in 1947 after seeing what Josef Mengele & his cohorts did in the name of "Science & Medical research".



His "research subjects & patients" were unwilling individuals forced into undergoing some of the most extreme & barbaric experimentation, some with the intention of bettering the treatment for the German military under particular conditions but a lot was just to suit his own twisted & sadistic musings. (there's enough reports & videos out there for those who may be inquisitive enough to look)


The thrust of Ma's argument was to highlight the reason the Code & it's practices are still as relevant today as when they were first drafted back in 1947.


https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/...mberg_Code.pdf

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agree. this subject is the same as many others where people post opinions where i doubt those with the opposite take on them will not change their minds.actually its good to find a subject on here were people actually disagree. other items like brexit, immegration and local councils we all seemed to sing from the same hymn book and became a bit repetative.

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but some can spell better than others and others like me are too lazy to use spellchecker.

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Life is too short to correct people's spellings

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[QUOTE=taddy;1255603]
so you have taken the huff....I hope you washed it down with something pleasant

And you think I play the 'get out of Jail' card do you Taddy...well don't sugar the pill will you.
If you look back at what happened during world war Two...then maybe, just maybe you will get my drift...but I really do doubt it.


I post moderately and I give my rationale for posting what I post.


You read into my posts what you want to read into them...I am not going to explain myself to you because it is obvious that that does not work at all.
My self esteem does not hang on the hook that is anyone's opinion of me.


Dave in Germany got it right..but then that will make little difference to how you seem to think my posts are.


You do not have to like my opinions, you do not have to agree with my opinions...you do not even have to read them...and you need to be disgusted at something more important than my opinions and posts...and there is a lot out there to be truly disgusted about..go and look.

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Yes Mark, you are right.
Every point you make is valid.
I consider my posts to be moderate and I try where possible to underscore my opinions with the rationale that allowed me to reach those opinions.
I would not call someone stupid/idiot 9or any of the other names that have been bandied about) for disagreeing with me...especially so if they can put a reason for believing what they believe.


My opinions of this situation have not changed from day one, and I do not want to change anyone else's view of things unless they can read something in the nature of links I have posted which makes them decide themselves to change their mind.


And there would be no forum if there were not people who had differing opinions

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at least everyone who does post on here on any subject put their own views forward and not after collecting the most likes as they do in other places. well we can at the moment anyway but the future for us that do not follow the party line i,m sure will eventually be over.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255611][QUOTE=taddy;1255603]
Dave in Germany got it right..but then that will make little difference to how you seem to think my posts are.

Maybe you believe that Dave in Germany got it right because he agreed with your opinion that our present government is akin to what you implied about the Nazi party in the 1930s.