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by the wayThat is no slight on you Dave.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1255622][QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1255611]As I said in a previous post...you read into my posts what you want to see.
I did not mention in the post under discussion, the NHS....you did.
As for me saying that Dave in Germany got it right...so didn’t I say that you would disregard his interpretation of my post...and you have just done exactly that.
Taddy...cart on...believe what you want to believe.
See what you want to see in my posts. I feel that I do not need to explain myself to you...especially as you would, as you said ‘consider it to be ‘my get out of jail card’....
I know exactly what I meant...that you do not is of no relevance to me...

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i have not called you stupid or an idiot for disagreeing at all.

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Cashy...I never said that you did..it was a generalised comment...not directed at anyone.

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Cashie, maybe I am a bit thick after all because I don't quite understand what you are getting on and what you meant that I was wrong about.

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Monkey Hanger, don't always trust spellcheck anyway as the corrected word is not always what you intended it to be. Sometimes it can make a sentence very funny.

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cos quite simply you said i dont bother about other people well as i said before post 2082 which i posted says the opposite.i did explain the post to check. so either you did not look or were not bothered to look.

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Cashie, I am a tad insulted at your suggestion that maybe I didn’t bother to look at your posting. I am not that shallow and on the contrary I read all postings and absorb them (except those regarding football, sorry about that) as I am very interested in people’s opinions. I respect them even if I don’t always agree with them. Maybe I have misinterpreted your meaning as to you caring, or otherwise, about those who are not vaccinated, but that is the impression I have got from several of your postings. I think the words ‘cretins’ and ‘idiots’ are two words that often make an appearance. This. to me at least, (and if I have again misunderstood you then my apologies) indicates that you do not hold much respect for anyone who does not have the same opinions as you.

The reason some of the people have not been vaccinated is because they are apprehensive about the unknown. It does not mean we are idiots, or cretins, it means we worry about the possible ill-effects of a vaccine that has not been fully tested. Early on in this thread you also were very sceptical about a vaccine that had been rushed out (posting 1224). That you have got over your concern and been vaccinated is your choice, some of us are still very apprehensive.

I might add (I throw this in for no particular reason other than I like to stir the pot) that I know someone who bought AstraZeneca shares when they were £32 and he tells me they are now worth £82 and rising….. we should be so lucky.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1255606]Tads mate, calm down, Ma didn't equate the Govt with the Nazi Party, she merely referenced the reason the Nürnberg Code came into being back in 1947 after seeing what Josef Mengele & his cohorts did in the name of "Science & Medical research".



His "research subjects & patients" were unwilling individuals forced into undergoing some of the most extreme & barbaric experimentation, some with the intention of bettering the treatment for the German military under particular conditions but a lot was just to suit his own twisted & sadistic musings. (there's enough reports & videos out there for those who may be inquisitive enough to look)


The thrust of Ma's argument was to highlight the reason the Code & it's practices are still as relevant today as when they were first drafted back in 1947.

Dave you may be exactly right but that is not the way it read. Ah well, as post 2092 says, "If you don't like a,( her) post ignore it, so I will.

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you shouldnt be a tad insulted dotti twas not meant that way at all,

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I was very skeptical, the post you quoted i made last year, i have done much research since then and am quite happy with that now, right or wrong it will do for me. that was done before i was offered the jab by the way.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1255656]


I think that would be best...
Your disgustometer is set too low not to be activated by posts that you seem keen to misinterpret.
You see any explanations as a 'get out of Jail card'...even though I am not in jail.

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went up to hartlepool for the match yesterday. stopped at stockton on the way up. for those who were not keen on boris changing the regulations i suggest they may be happy to move up there. distancing and asking people to muzzle up are all over both their shopping centres. they are still really serious and worried up there i can tell you.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1255952]went up to hartlepool for the match yesterday. stopped at stockton on the way up. for those who were not keen on boris changing the regulations i suggest they may be happy to move up there. distancing and asking people to muzzle up are all over both their shopping centres. they are still really serious and worried up there i can tell you.

Ah well the majority of us northern folk have always had more gumption than anyone south of the Watford gap. ;);)

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normally think and say the same but it depends on your own view on the virus i suppose. saturday was an odd weird feeling day after the last few weeks around where i am.

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Just to highlight the impenetrable "logic & reasoning" behind Govt UKs corona thinking, The lass in our office & myself spent over 3 hours between us on line trying to muddle through the do's & don'ts & regs surrounding entry to UK.


Being "Freight", certain elements are waived, yet when applying said waivers are countermanded by another paragraph within another section, try ring through to speak to a "Human" & after 15 mins of Muzak you hang up in frustration.


So back to the formula, sign back in as you're timed out, plough through the process again, press option A, and away off into the ethernet bowels you go with further contradictions, so you scrub that return to the options & try the otheryin ...... again, off into the ether & contradictions. It seems I have to have a 2 day test, that must be booked & paid for (with no refund should things go pear shaped) prior to UK entry immaterial of my vacinnation status, without said test & code number confirmed & entered on my UK locator form, the process comes to a grinding halt & computer says "NO!"


The Govt supply a link to a non-affiliated list of test kit providers & off you go, go choose one ranging from GBP 20???? (allegedly) to, as old Buzz said "Infinity & beyond!!" There is a choice of options & they are as follows:-


Drop in centers with/without appointment results anywhere between 15 minutes or several days (think it depends on what you splash out)


Test kits administered at your place of quarantine by an "official" & your results duly noted & registered.



Test kits sent to your place of quarantine to self test, which you then send back to the centre & they will inform you in due course. (Test subject is suffering distemper & hardpad because they dragged it over the Mutts tongue, but it's not got Coviditus)


All well & good, but they also give no guarantee that these results will be accepted at whatever destination you may head off to if using them for travel purposes. But still, someone somewhere has raked in a few quid, the Govt will get their lb+ of flesh in the form of taxes from the testing centre, just as long as it's a UK based operation & of course the punter has been regally screwed ..... again!


If you think I'm taking the Pish, give it a try for the novelty & frustration value if you've got a couple of hours of your life you're not bothered about seeing again. :mad:

Oh yeah, nearly forgot, I have to have a "Plague test" here too, not older than 72 hours, not to enter UK mind, don't need it for that, but my "Carrier" (Ferry/Coach/Aircraft) apparently won't let me board their transport for UK PLC if I don't present them with this invaluable document, of which in my previous 2 work trips this year, no one on either side has asked me for.

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Son....the words Logic, Reasoning and Government should never be used in the same sentence...
Government has no logic...it only has out date computer modelling done by the likes of Neil Ferguson (a professor no less, but has got nothing right so far with his bogus figures).
Reasoning....the only reasoning they understand is that MP’s can do pretty much as they like....they can canoodle in their office while the rest of us are banned from hugging granny...double jabbed or not.
They can go to big meetings with other world leaders, but not follow their own rules.
They can send a minister all over the world to countries that are banned for the rest of us....and the minister has no need to quarantine on return....but for us to try to get a two week break on the costas.....well, in short it will cost us...time money and aggravation.

This is them playing with us.
The rules catch the little flies, but the big buzzards break through with no harm at all to them.
Forgive my jaundiced outlook...it seems that my latest batch of anti cynicism pills are a bit lacking in the active ingredients that dull my brain.

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all governments love bullshine but for the british its a national passtime.

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Professor Sir Andrew Pollard of the Oxford Vaccine Group has been setting out some rules that he suggests the government should follow.
He suggests:- 1) an end to the testing of those without symptoms
2) and end to testing school children.
3) testing only those who have symptoms of illness
4) stopping the reporting of Covid statistics.
5) changing how statistics are reported
(statistics of those who go into hospital WITH the infection will be separated from those who develop the infection while in hospital for something else)

He has said that there is very little chance of developing 'herd immunity' because even the vaccinated may still get the illness.
That we need to learn to live with this virus and stop scaring ourselves to death.

Now that is reasoning, logic, and is seasoned by a good sprinkling of common sense...so it is highly likely that the government will ditch this in favour of more of the stuff presented by the likes of Neil Ferguson.

https://www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/team/andrew-pollard
The above link will take you to the credentials of this man.

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doubt you,ll ever hear or see the name of that bloke ever again now. he,ll end up being discredited like others and we,ll end up with the usual suspects coming back spouting the latest party line to eventually end up in some honours list in the future.

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Covid is a global propaganda operation - Asia Pacific Today

This video is worth a watch......and it may pose some interesting questions for you to consider.
There are some of you who will not agree with it....or will just not watch it, but if you do then you just might see that some of the things I have posted come from....even the remark (which was seriously misinterpreted) about Germany in the late 1930’s.

It also covers the derogatory terminology used for those who choose not to have a vaccination.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1256140]peration/]Covid is a global propaganda operation -

This video is worth a watch......and it may pose some interesting questions for you to consider.
the things I have posted come from....even the remark (which was seriously misinterpreted) about Germany in the late 1930’s.

Oh, You are awful but I still like you.

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If you watched the video through you will see that this academic made similar references.
That he also said that the government are not in the job to make life easier for us, but to follow agendas that can only be guessed about..none of them though are futures I want to contemplate.

Yes...I AM awful but I am consistent in my awfulness

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tried 3 times to download this without success. rarely have these difficulties and makes me wonder why.

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I have checked this morning to see if it had been taken down, but it is still available.
So here is another link....just for you MH.

http://www.asiapacifictoday.tv/covid...nda-operation/

I have just checked it after I posted it and it works for me.
But if you cannot load it, then google Piers Robinson and it should lead you to his stuff.

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tried but to no avail. his recent video does not seem to have been uploaded under his own name. thanks again though for your help. i,ll try later in the week.

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You are welcome...I am sorry it does not work for you...I will try to find a different link...perhaps to the interviewer....and post that to make it easier.
It is interesting to note that Piers Robinson was a Professor of Political studies at Hallamshire university in Sheffield, but prior to this he was the head of MI6

If you google Mike Ryan + Piers Robinson....then it should bring up this interview.
Mike Ryan is tha Asia Pacific interviewer....a no nonsense Aussie guy.

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Maybe on you tube somewhere, that seems to cover a multitude of sins does that.

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Link worked fine for me. Interesting, and worrying. But then more and more people are beginning to wake up to the fact that this is no longer, if it ever was, just about a respiratory virus.
Btw, whilst on the subject of propaganda, I’ve always been very sceptical about Yougov surveys that consistently tell us a massive majority of ‘the public’ want more lockdowns, more masks, more restrictions. And guess what, Yougov, was founded by none other than our glorious vaccine minister Zahawi. QED

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;
Btw, whilst on the subject of propaganda, I’ve always been very sceptical about Yougov surveys that consistently tell us a massive majority of ‘the public’ want more lockdowns, more masks, more restrictions. And guess what, Yougov, was founded by none other than our glorious vaccine minister Zahawi. QED[/QUOTE]

well i have still to meet any of these people who want all that to return. could be though that they know my stance on the subject so they keep quiet. same when brexit was the main issue of the time. never met a remainer.

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That’s ‘cos you never worked for the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation:rolleyes:.

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Glad that link worked for you.
It is an interesting watch..but worrying too.
This man has more insight than most because he was previously in MI6.
It is hoped that people are waking up to the dangers...not a minute before time.


Evidence that the WHO stifled information about the virus is getting stronger...and also evidence that this was a man made entity with no naturally occurring antecedents.


I did NOT know that Yougov was formed by Nadim Zahawi though.....you live and learn.

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Another rule for us but not for them…

https://order-order.com/2021/08/17/c...e-afghanistan/

How much longer will it take for people to wake up and realise just where all their taxes are going…

https://www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opin...vate-providers

It seems like the British public were asked to clap for the relentless privatisation of the NHS.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;

It seems like the British public were asked to clap for the relentless privatisation of the NHS.[/QUOTE]

not sure whether that would not be a bad thing. keep hearing about other european countries having good health services that are private. where public money funds things there always seem to be a layer of non shop floor workers that seems to grow larger by the year. its a subject for the near future that needs disscushion.

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So once again the goal posts are dragged out of position & shifted further away. Another variant, another Greek letter "Omicron" or B.1.1.529 has raised its head & Boris & his sycophants once more take to the stage to preach, doom, gloom, death & despair to the populace ...... how very predictable!


Still, being the saviours of the universe they've got a plan & all it takes is for the "Jolly decent" British to once again forgo various freedoms & liberties, take it on the chin again for the team & be good little serfs while their betters get things sorted, that is until the next raging disaster. Is it any wonder the populace are getting uppity & bolshy with the continual stuttering delays to getting their lives back to "Normal". Lets face it folks, with this shower in charge & no feasible replacement, this looks like being the "New normal" so get used to it & despair.


Just a little side note, does anyone else think Whitty looks like he should be on some kind of register with the local plod? Just asking mind?

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50% of the scientists say this one is worse 50% say no-one really knows so Boris must be some sort of Genius?

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Omicron is an anagram of Moronic….that just sums it up.

How do they know that this variant is more transmissible?
Or that it causes a worse illness…or that it will not be contained by the jab(I refuse to call it a vaccine because it does not stop transmission….)
All those promises of freedom if you got jabbed….once, twice, three times….ten times.

It goes on and on and still the sheep look forward to being penned and rounded up……
I know quite a few people who are jabbed, but have been ill with the virus…..and none of them had it in a mild form…..two ended up in hospital.

Who would guess that just a month before Christmas there would be the emergence of a new scarifying variant.
Wake up it is a way of exerting control….and the masks are a way of determining that you are complying with the control measures.

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My views on this sh*t show have not altered….but I do not ask you to subscribe to my views or opinions…they are mine….so make your own.

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I think that Governments (at your place and at mine) have lost the plot. COVID has brought with it situations that they do not know how to deal with. Instead of being ahead of the virus they are continually chasing after it, never catching up. It’s like this virus is poking its tongue out at authorities and saying ‘you can’t beat me’. More serious, less serious, who knows? How do they measure this? Meanwhile the peasants (us) are herded around, instructed as to what we have to do, what we are, and are not, allowed to do, by people who really don’t seem to have a clue. Guesswork. We are told one thing one day, something different the next. Open the borders, oops! the little brute has got in so let’s close them again - too late….

What’s the solution, I don’t even pretend to have one - but then I’m not one of those clever (and well paid) people in authority who we have to rely on to find the answer. Not been all that successful up to now.

As you can probably tell, like most people I am absolutely fed-up with the lot of them, and the whole thing.

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and its back to the face muzzles or nappies again. if only there was proof of them being of any use whatsoever but a show of compliance then i would not mind. seems the one and only thing they can really come up with to save the human race.

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The proof that they do not work has been removed from your view.
It was available at the start of this plandemic…but not any longer.
The masks we are asked to wear will catch anything that is about 320 nano-microns in size.
This virus is 190 nano-microns….so it cannot be stopped by the masks that you can buy…well that is unless you are lucky enough to have bought some govt surplus issue masks from
Portion Down.
Add to this the fact that once a mask becomes wet with expired air, this mask becomes a super highway for not just viruses(this being the flu season there are plenty of those about) and bacteria.
All masks also shed particles of fibre, so you are then getting inhaled fibres which may affect your lung function in the future.

Now these may be unpalatable truths, but the wearing of masks will not protect you…..and they will not protect anyone else from whatever you are breathing out.
They are just a badge to say that you are a good little compliant citizen…doing just what you are told.

We have to live alongside this virus….we have to be exposed to it(and other viruses) to develop ou4 own immunity.
Yes, of course this may mean that some will get sick and some may die.
This is Mother Nature’s way of population control….and I prefer it to Bill Gates version.

Ok…again this may not resonate with many of you out there…so you do what you feel is right for you…I have no issues with that.
But remember you cannot comply your way out an abusive relationship…..and that is what we have right now with these government doom mongers who hold the strings of government

As an aside….this South African variant that is sending the blobs into a panicky spin was identified in July….and in SA 2828 people have been diagnosed with this and the death rate for these….so far 12 people have died

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Here in the UK, the numbers of infections is down by 3.36%
Deaths from Covid(well, not from Covid per se, but within 28 days of a positive test) are down by 12.7%.
Hospital admissions have been flat for more than ten days.
This is just to add an element of perspective to the panic mongers prognostications.

Angelique Coetzee…..the doctor in South Africa who first noted this new variant says that it produces a mild illness and seems to be (from her clinical experience) affecting young men under 40 who have been vaccinated.
In some parts of SA the vaccination rate is in single figures….so these unvaccinated are affected in a more severe way…..but as noted in another post only 12 deaths so far.

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aye but thats not scarey enough.lol

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Yes, you are right….so the agenda is not to protect us but to make us afraid.
And of course to divide us because a united population is much harder to control.

They have enlisted behavioural psychologists to determine the best methods to make us comply.
You cannot comply yourself out of an abusive/coercive relationship…..and that is what our government are.

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Might be miles wrong but i do think the government has done a job on the majority of the population where i,m afraid others with our take on the situation are now in the minority. They will never make me afraid or actually follow anything they tell me today without looking at the whole facts first.

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I think that a first the project fear Covid campaign did scare people into complying.
But I think that the prolonged and confused way this virus has been reported has made people question the whole issue.
Remember we were told that rolling up,our sleeves, getting the jab(which does not conform to the definition of a vaccine because it isn’t one) would give us freedom….but here we are two years and three jabs down the line and we are being told that we have to comply with yet more restrictions.
And if we are naughty and do not do as we are told, then Christmas will be cancelled.

Australia has five cases of this variant…..and what do you know?
None of them have any symptoms at all.
Angelique Coetzee the medic who first recognised this mid November says that all the people she has treated have MILD symptoms…..so why the panic?
Viruses mutate….and as they do so their potency wanes.

Yes they still have the POTENTIAL to cause severe illness in some people who might be compromised by other co-morbiditues, but for the majority of the population it will not be a problem.
The government do not want us to think for ourselves…..they want us all to tie the line…take the jab(fills the coffers of their friend the puppet masters in big Pharma) and remain scared.
Fascism is alive and well and has many followers.

Oh, and I would like to say that I am not a dissident or an anarchist, I just do not like the way we are being played.

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one minute they say that the vaccinations may not fully work on the mandela variant and the next sentance they tell us to get vaccinated as quickly as possible. then the period of taking the booster has been reduced from 6 to 3 months after dose 2. then why was it not 3 months in the first place. all too much for a thick hartlepool lad is this.

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MH, I do not think you are thick….you are just asking the sensible question.
So far we have been asked to have three jabs(all of this in probably a little over a year)….those who are immune suppressed are being asked to have a fourth one….yet these jabs do not prevent you from getting the virus…or passing it on…..and it has given a number of people a few days of feeling thoroughly rotten after each jab…..for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.3%.
I have just looked at the ONS current stats….this shows infections are the same.
Hospital admissions are down.
Deaths remain similar.(remember it is flu season).
90% of the population have been jabbed.
90% of the population have antibodies.
So why the panic…?
And this government says it is following the science…pull the other one…it plays God Save the Queen.

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they probably did not have enough vaccine early on to do after 3 months? thats my thought.

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Cashy, you could very well be right.
It is going to put a lot of money into the coffers of those who make the stuff.

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Oh yes….and you can’t see a GP if you are ill….you might get a paramedic or a nurse….but not a doctor…..yet GPS are going to be paid £15 for every jab they do and extra pay for working weekends.
This is for a jab that they tell us may not protect you.
Ludicrous.

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This government on the 23rd will bang us all in lockdown. The don't care for the people, its about spending cash now. It's a case of keeping everything open to the last minute. Prop up the economy now, and not bothered until next year. Let's see how many die again...

How many more U-turns before Christmas???

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Doctors are still only seeing 40% of their patients. 90% until March will now suffer because they will be coining it in at some hub.

Giving pharmacists, free reign could help,

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashi...rrest-22322767

:eek::eek::eek:

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No Odders…that is not good enough…and it puts tremendous pressure on people who are not paid to carry it.
A pharmacist does not have the luxury of your medical records and although highly trained, they are not Doctors.
The same with paramedics….and nurse practitioners….they do not have the depth of training to do the job of a doctor.

I rarely go to see a doctor, but if the need arose then I would want to see someone who had all my medical history to refer to.

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if i could just get somebody who knows more about medical stuff than i do i,d be very happy indeed. there is a limit on how long you can stay on the phone waiting for it being answered. said for months now that other illnesses are still available.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;….yet these jabs do not prevent you from getting the virus…or passing it on…..and it has given a number of people a few days of feeling thoroughly rotten after each jab…..for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.3%.

or just the same as it does with the vast majority who catch it in the first place.

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Why should you be satisfied with just ‘someone who knows more about medical stuff’ than you do MH?
Someone might know more than you, but miss something that means your illness is something serious….something life changing or life shortening.
Who is going to compensate you for them missing the signs….and not just that…think of the weight of responsibility that this person is not being paid for….but the doctor IS.

When I was working there was a drive to get. Nurses to do jobs that had long been the domain of doctors….many nurses rushed to train up to do these jobs.
And yes, it is good to improve your skills…but who is doing the work that the nurse should be doing while she is taking on something that a doctor is trained and paid to do?
The patient still needs to be bathed, taken to the toilet, catheterised, their dressing renewed, their wound sutures removed….and sure as hell the Doc is not going to do it.

So No….I cannot believe that you want just anyone to see you and make a differential diagnosis.
You want someone who you trust is skilled enough to do this.
It takes ten years to train someone to be a GP.
That should say it all.

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sajid javid is urging people to be sensible during christmas everyone should have been that since this virus started unless they are stupid is my view,whatever your view on this that dont matter stupidity may kill.

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Of course…that is what they want you to think…..this new variant may have the ability to infect more people, but from all accounts where it has been prevalent (and it has been recognised as such for ten days or so in South Africa)…it has proved to have only mild symptoms.

The Delta variant is still by far the more common variant…..and those who have been vaccinated….and maybe had the booster are better placed to be protected.
Yet there are still a number of people who have picked this up(?)….remember it is the flu season and flu is a potential killer too…..our immune systems have been allowed to rest by not being in contact with people…..so make what you will of that.
Flu and Covid symptoms are very very similar…..and isn’t it amazing that last year flu disappeared.

The ONS stats show that we are being misled.

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And Cashy, unfortunately stupidity does not kill.
Look around you there are a lot of stupid people who are not just surviving, they are thriving!

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Tell you what mate, next time I'm over I'll have a look for you. No real experience mind, but when we were on "Snow Queen" the troops would come waltzing into the Med centre, see yours truly in uniform (despite the glaringly obvious Rikshaws, Cabs & Taxis shoulder flashes) they then proceed to tell me about their woes, itches & other ickky stuff! Course being the ameanable soul I is, I'd hear them out, then either snort with merriment, chuckle or outright widdle me'sen at their misfortunes! I'd then whip out me "Housewife", start licking the thread before trying to shove it through a whopping great darning needle, while espousing my "considered opinion" about treatment required.


It was usually at this point the M.O. next door who'd been earwigging my "Professional (Drivers) opinion" & I would be summoned & given the lecture on undermining medical confidence ..... or they ran screaming from the Med centre vowing never to come back again while that "Psycho" was on duty. :D


Like I say, don't know much, but success rate in clearing a waitng room full of the sick, lame & lazy ..... outstanding!

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well perhaps i should have said can kill?yeh cant get all the idiots theres too many.

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I actually made my Doctor and Consultants to make me aware of changes. They send you things via NHS Portal. I ring chemist and speak to the pharmacist, I make him aware of changes to my meds and treatment. Simply because they are people who you can talk to. I must have a good one. In the last 2 years he's called me on multiple occasions, aswel as emailing my doctor. He's able to contact the surgery easier. Depends who use.

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Yes Odders, it is dependent on which practice you are at.
And I am sure your health needs are complex(from what you told us when you came back to the forum).
My daughter has a life limiting illness…..and her experiences have been the polar opposite of yours….it has all been a bit of a trial.
I am glad that you have not had this kind of experience….that you have been looked after well.
There are not many who can say that in the current situation.

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Yes, you are right….and they seem to let them out in bunches every day.

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What he is really saying is if you lot don’t behave we have ways of making you sorry.
Coercive control by a partner is illegal…a criminal offence, but it seems that when done by government it is fine and dandy.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1260423]Why should you be satisfied with just ‘someone who knows more about medical stuff’ than you do MH?
Someone might know more than you, but miss something that means your illness is something serious….something life changing or life shortening.

its what is known as despiration. both me and her in the kitching have been told we need a review by the pharmacy for our tablets once they run out before christmas. paid in all our lives for what. someone who cannot be bothered answering the phone and flatly refuse to give you an appointment if you walk in. bet the dinghy divers and our other friends do not have this problem.

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I posted this way back when the pandemic was part way through.
Today I read that SAGE…..the body that is advising the government has said we need to be prepared for curbs(due to the virus) to continue for five years.
So if you count those five years from the start of this pandemic…..that will be March 2025.

I am not clairvoyant, I am not a seer into the future…..I read this in government documentation.
So how is that then?
You heard it here first.

Personally I do not think it will be sustainable.

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Oh yes…that post was made in October 2020.

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just heard this morning that doctors can now put back patiants for other illnesses so they can joint the jabbers. next thing will be specialists in hospitals cancelling appointments to join this army. said it months and months back that the NHS is becoming a one illness service and my crystal ball seems to be working fine.

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It’s, in part, to drive more and more people into private medical care.
No coincidence that near us a brand new Private GPS practice has opened up with a fanfare of advertising.
Governments can no longer afford socialised medicines, not least because less and less money can be raised in taxes (it’s offshore, in tax havens, so the elite can get ever richer), everything from stupidity to sniffles is being medicalised, and, as anyone with any sense will know, pouring more and more billions into the likes of the NHS will achieve less and less. Except maybe, as seen this week, the NHS advertising for yet more Diversity Managers on £90K.

https://order-order.com/2021/12/03/n...-hiring-spree/

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I wonder, will these 'executives' be offered the usual attractive perks given to middle management, such as Private health care?

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Think of what could be achieved in front line services with that kind of money…..but frontline service do not fit the increasingly woke agenda.
A bit like the Royal College of Midwives designating mother’s as ‘post natal people’ for fear of upsetting the trans lobby.
I would just like to know how many women, who identify as men, have become pregnant and had babies.
Yes I know there are a few, but does this mean that printed literature should cancel out the majority of these ‘post natal people’ who are women and identify as women.

I know that those who have changed gender need to be respected, but not at the cost of the vast majority who are offended by the removal of the title ‘mother’.

There appears to be very little sense in this crazy world.

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there is no sense at all with woke idiots they aint the brains to be sensible.

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Cashy, are you telling me that they have functioning brains?
A sad fact of life that is not accepted these days is….sometimes things will offend you.
It is inevitable that you will not subscribe to all that goes on.
But for goodness sake if you are going to be offended, be offended by something that matters….like the two evil people who abused and tortured a six year old.
Be offended by the 31 men who groomed and sexually abused young white girls in Hessle.

Be offended by something important.
If you choose to change gender, then you choose to take on the difficulties that that choice entails….and one of them is that you no longer belong to your biological identity.
If you cannot handle that, do not make this someone else’s problem to be pandered to.

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https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...d-city-5564310

Be offended by this.

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It gets worse. The NHS, otherwise known as tax payers, is even giving £billions to private health businesses for, it seems, virtually nothing.

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-nhs-c...re-never-used/

This was what caught my eye…

“Estimates vary as to the cost of these contracts, but costs are believed to be in the region of £2 billion to £5 billion. For this money, the NHS paid for 100% of the capacity of private providers and received an additional 8,000 beds, 680 operating theatres, 10,000 nurses and over 700 doctors.

Permission was given to private providers to gain further revenue by treating private patients if the capacity purchased by the NHS was not used. These contracts acted to give private hospitals a guaranteed revenue stream for periods during the pandemic.”

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Bl**dy Scandalous

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no not telling you that at all.its no good bothering about that the sentencing these days is RUBBISH,

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1260559]

I know that those who have changed gender need to be respected, but not at the cost of the vast majority who are offended by the removal of the title ‘mother’.

but are they or is it another case of others being offended on someone elses behalf. the fact is i personally have not known a single person or know of one in my long life who has changed sex. i have known a few who dress in the clothes of the opposite sex but none of em think that they actually are anything else but whats on their birth certificates. something they enjoy doing that has no harm to others. unlike some of our woke brigade they do not expect others, especially young kids, to copy them.

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I cannot answer that question MH, because it seems that those with gender issues have very tender egos.
So it maybe that they want to be recognised as something different….or it maybe, as you said, someone else getting offended on their behalf.
Recently there was a homosexual GP in Liverpool who was banned from working for a month because of his offensive comment about cis people ( yes, I had to look it up too) these are people like you and me who identify with the gender they were born with
He went on to say that he was cis-phobic…..so what is he doing being a GP….most of those he will be caring for will be patients he says he is phobic of.

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And here is the story. Read it and weep for what we are becoming.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bic-bigot.html

He justified his comments by saying he was ‘just Joking’….Jim Royce would have had an answer to that.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
Recently there was a homosexual GP in Liverpool who was banned from working for a month because of his offensive comment about cis people ( yes, I had to look it up too) these are people like you and me who identify with the gender they were born with


well its so 2021 that the vast majority of the population with this cis nonsence need to be discribed in a certain way. Would need a full page for descriptions some have on me.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1260673][QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
Recently there was a homosexual GP in Liverpool who was banned from working for a month because of his offensive comment about cis people ( yes, I had to look it up too) these are people like you and me who identify with the gender they were born with


well its so 2021 that the vast majority of the population with this cis nonsence need to be discribed in a certain way. Would need a full page for descriptions some have on me.[/QUOTE]

Here's a dictionary:-
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/

When you've a moment just go through it and put a tick against the words that describe you!

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
But for goodness sake if you are going to be offended, be offended by something that matters….like the two evil people who abused and tortured a six year old.
Be offended by the 31 men who groomed and sexually abused young white girls in Hessle.


that may offend us but certainly the hessle think will not. they,ll be too busy pushing it under the carpet.

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Good news! just in time for Crimbo another variant has been found in the land of the "Grenouilles", yes folks our lovely neighbours have found this amongst their population. So, it's pretty damn sure it has rolled up on the English beaches along with the illegal imports we've been merrily picking up & bringing in over the last couple of weeks!


Joyeux Noel des Crapauds!

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The Deputy Prime Minister of Australia is presently in Washington where he has to isolate for ten days because he has caught COVID. Thinks he got this while in London. He made a big show early on of being double-jabbed which might have given him a false sense of security to travel overseas. So travellers be very wary.....

Admittedly he says he doesn’t feel too bad, but he still has to isolated.

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Meanwhile the saga and shambles continue in South Australia (where I live). The Premier not that long ago when declaring the State’s borders open to other States said that there would be no more lockdowns, no more border closures. He said that even though we were sure to get cases of the virus once people came over those borders we were prepared and ready for this. Brave words.

Yesterday there was a case of Omicron detected here. Now today he said that anyone who had been where the infected person visited will have to quarantine for 14 days, whether jabbed or not jabbed. Apparently this makes no difference. Within about an hour he said that might change. Borders will stay open, borders might close. My daughter, her husband, and one of my grandsons, live in Melbourne – all hoping to fly over for Christmas. Will they be able to, they will not know until the last minute. All are double-jabbed, won’t make any difference.

We were promised that when the jabbing had reached 80% all would be well, freedom would reign and all that b/s. People are cancelling events because of the absolute confusion. Chaos and confusion. No-one knows what the heck is going on. Least of all by the looks of it do those in charge. I know it’s not your neck of the woods but thought it might be of interest.

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Here, the new variant has been detected in some 1275 people…..there have been NO hospitalisation and NO deaths in this number(in fact according to WHO there have been zero deaths from this variant worldwide).
Reports from a number of places where this variant is dominant are that the illness it causes is very mild….so although it might be more transmissible, it is less potent.
According to reports 70% of people currently in hospital are double jabbed….the remainder are unjabbed.

This current plan B…or plan C….or whatever plan it is, is a huge over reaction. It is just so that we are bamboozled into believing that the government is doing something…that it may not be the right thing is of little consequence to the government.

I feel that this scarifying tactic is to put money into the coffers of big Pharma…..and to exert yet more control on the population.
Divide and rule.
If you get the omicron variant….they you will be making your own antibodies (these are unlikely to give you nasty side effects…or cause you harm ten years down the line.
That cannot be said of any of the current jabs because they just do NOT know what long term side effects may emerge).

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the fact there has been no hospitalizations to me means planB is daft.

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Don't really think any of these plans, then, now or in the future are truly a plan by any description, more an arse covering/umbrella popping exercise to cover their ineptitudes.

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not really sure about ineptitudes dave? no-one knows the score properly with this covid.

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And that my friend is exactly the point! Instead of being honest with folk & saying

"look, we really have no idea how this will pan out, so please bear with us while we set out what we see as sensible measures."

Nope, far from it, it's full on Apocalypse, demise of mankind, death, destruction & despair, the pits of hell opening up along with all the wailing & gnashing of teeth that accompany it with pitchforks & flames!

Yet, upto now these dire predictions have come nowhere near the "Projections" of the so called "experts", I could probably get an equally valid opinion from Wee Drunk Jimmy down the local after his 5th pint & 6th chaser that would be just as accurate.


Skeptical? You can bet I am Bud. ;)

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And as if to highlight my point, this just lifted from the "Daily excess"


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/15...pical-Medicine

Main points to note :-

"OMICRON could cause"

"an expert has claimed"

"new epidemiology models that used experimental data to look at how Omicron may"

"Omicron could potentially"

Now if they'd said "Will cause", named said "expert" (says who?If it was an expert I'm sure he/she would take responsibility for their comment), the "experimental data" (so not proven) & "how Omicron may" & finally "could potentialy".

So yeah, lots of surmise & hedging going on there, until someone has the testicular fortitude to stand up & actually say as much, it's all just supposition & guesses, which to my mind means these people really have no clue & to cover their "Ineptitude" (there's that word again), they're bluffing & bulling.

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Professor Neil Ferguson (he of the Oxford modelling who has got not a single thing right so far) prognosticate that 75,000 people could be hospitalised every day.
This is an expert….someone who knows what he is talking about.
At the height of the pandemic there was nowhere near that level of hospitalisation.

Those currently in hospital who were fully jabbed are in there with the Delta variant.
There have been NO hospitalisations in the people with the Omicron variant.

An interesting note is that the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine is Bank rolled by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to the tune of 40 million dollars.
They have to expect something for their investment…philanthropy is the mask that this hides behind.

As to the jabs…no one really knows what the long term effects could be….and if they did…why would they tell you.
Any future illness created by the jabs means even more money for the Pharma industry…..and the knowledge that, even if you can pin the blame on the jab, they have guaranteed immunity from litigation.

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Another bit of interesting information is that Bill Gates picks up the tab for 40% of the costs of funding WHO…..he has his fingers in lots of these pies……but gets his money back in hidden covert ways….not exactly hidden, but no proclaimed either.

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Professor Never right Ferguson has now downgraded his estimates of daily hospitalisations to 10,000 per day…….so even he does not believe his figures.

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that could be cos it nearly killed him? no-one knows only him.

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Both Johnson and Starmer have tested positive on more than one occasion. Clearly they're exempt from the rules. Nobody's got a clue about what is going to happen.

I would rather shut the country down now, and have a quiet xmas. Otherwise we will end up nxt next year again. Having lockdowns last mins again.

Lessons should be learned they all said, seems like de ja vu. Everything will close days before and screwup loads, causing more long term pressures, problems and pain.

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Odders, you can have a quiet .Christmas if that is what you want.
The omicron variant is causing only mild illness (this is from countries where it has been prevalent a bit longer) and no deaths from this variant worldwide….well, that is unless some nefarious political advisers want to ascribe a death to it(and I would not put it past them).
Ok so the jabs do not offer protection, but then if we get this variant….a mild illness and we have our own home made antibodies….that is a sock in the eye for Pfizer and Moderna.

We need to be learning to live with this…get on with our lives…..not hide behind the sofa.