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was quiet at home but made up for it at school just to break the monotony of it all. due to my persistant chat i got the nickname of grandmother IG{due to my initials** from a teacher which spawned lots of additions that even last to the present day. better than my best mate who for some reason was called Sire. his wife goes into hysterics about that saying it must be the most far off nickname anyone could ever have.

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According to the BBC, and all the other ‘bought’ media, this didn’t happen last Saturday in London...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLHOjsuy7FY

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all thick scumbags

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Quite, must admit I don't recall any mention of it in the articles I watched & read last Sunday. It was all eu vacinne shambles, big bad BoJo cock ups & crises & would you believe, the Ginge & Meme Agains royal feud, other than that nothing else happening in the world it appears.

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C’mon, not even I think all at the BBC are that!

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1253422]According to the BBC, and all the other ‘bought’ media, this didn’t happen last Saturday in London...

you need to get things into true perspective exile. whats more important that march or boris,s choice of wallpaper. watching the BBC news can really affect your sanity and blood pressure.

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news in general is crap these days, used to never miss it, now rarely watch it.seems to have been taken oer by CRETINS to me.

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Except these ‘cretins’ are controlling what you get to see and hear.

That makes it less news and more of the stuff that begins with a ‘P’.....and I do not mean urine.

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its gone from just reporting news to people in the media having to comment on it. just lets have factual news where viewers can make their own minds up about it. might be duller but you watch news for facts not entertainment.

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they aint if i dont watch it:D

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if news is duller it just proves what i say those that produce it are CRETINS.

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as are the ones that watch it and believe everything they see and hear. the words it must be right because its on the BBC makes me wonder where we are going in the future.

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If you believe everything will be back to your normal in June, why was furlough extended to September, and why are Councils hiring Covid Stasi on contracts that run into 2022?
Still not convinced, then go figure why the Govt is spending three times more on Covid adverts in the ‘bought’ media for the period to March 2022 than over the past year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IV5dbO6Lqo

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still waiting for the excuse in june to back track on a few things. however there are plenty around that will sacrifice their rights just to get on a plane for a couple of weeks of frying in the sun. distancing and muzzles to continue but relaxation in foreign travel. you heard it here first.

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Backtrack ? We're only "allowed" to go to 12 countries.. and three of 'em don't want us to go there and of the other 9 - going to tiny Gibraltar would be like being cooped up in Patrick McGoohan's village.. don't think many would fancy an 18 hour flight to sit on a dreary cold beach with penguins in the Falklands.. or to the other tiny dependencies. Which leaves Iceland, Israel or Portugal. Iceland is about a tenner a pint, Israel is kicking off with unrest and the flights to Portugal have increased tenfold since the announcements - 'ow can thy backtrack on that?

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Think you'll find there's quite a few Argies that'd love the opportunity! :D

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just cannot get my head round this travelling abroad as a necesity for a holiday especially the ones that have kids. even a ten minute wait at an airport never mind a ten hour one would have been more than mine could have taken. then you get there and most kids do not like the heat which their parents go for. both my two and step kids hated the water and lying on a beach or next to a pool would last seconds rather than minutes. cannot blame em as both their parents were exactly the same. there must be thousands of others in the same boat but need to go abroad for likes on social media.

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Iceland is on the list - though you will need a mortgage to be able to afford the £2.50 for a yoghourt or £10 for a pint.

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That's a bit steep isn't it? I thought "Iceland" was cheap as chips, when did they put their prices up? What happened to their 4 for a 10er BBQ specials & their 3 for a 5er picnic essentials .....? :D

Isn't that why Mums go to Iceland?

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;

Isn't that why Mums go to Iceland?[/QUOTE]

and single mums go to farmfoods.

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I think this is a calculated government ploy.....so that no one goes anywhere.
Portugal-too dear to get there.

Falklands - who wants a long flight, a holiday where you need your flannel undies and the penguins are not covered in chocolate and resist being dunked in a brew.

Australia....yes, you can go there but they won’t let you in.
New Zealand....the same.

Israel....where it is all kicking off...and not in a football sense.
Gibraltar.....share your glasses and your handbag with a Barbary ape....and never get them back.
Singapore...yes, well that might be nice for a short visit.
Brunei - yes you can go there.....and they might let you in if you meet their stringent criteria.
Faroe Islands......well....I can’t think of a quieter or more relaxing holiday.
Iceland....no thanks....too dear, landscape like Third World War bus shelter.
Some overseas British territory Islands....but not sure where they are.

So...yes the government have opened up some travel...it is not their fault that we do not want to go to the places that they stipulate.....that as they say is....our problem.

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myself i think thats a load of rubbish its common sense.

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What is it that you think is Rubbish Cashy?

That the government chose places that no one really wants to visit instead of saying...NO Overseas Travel...?
Well, it covers their very well padded behinds doesn't it?

For myself...there is nowhere on this green earth that I would travel in a plane to, right now...for goodness sake I haven't been on a bus since March 2020...and they do not recycle breathed air on buses and you CAN open the windows

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Is that code for nicking stuff from fields & farmer Giles trust box?

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i have never really liked tory way at all, but i think its complete rubbish to say places no-one wants to visit in fact i never heard such rubbish in my life. i think its common sense not to visit anywhere that is a lot risky.

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Well, then maybe I shall rephrase it.....the people wished to go to Spain France, Italy Greece, the Greek island...you know, the places where there is sun, sand....a bit of nightlife.
But they were given the green light to go to places that many people would not choose to visit.....so, it is not the governments fault that you do not wish to visit these places....it is the fault of the tourist.
It really means that most people will NOT get a foreign holiday because the cost of quarantine and testing at the airport and when returning home makes the costs prohibitive.

I think that is exactly what the government wanted......restrictions on the population.
(Except...you can go on holiday but only to the places they deem suitable)..most of who have been vaccinated anyway....so are they saying that the vaccine counts for nothing?
That it will be unlikely to protect you?
If that is the case, then it really is not a vaccine.

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well we wish to go to somewhere that is listed in fact we have booked for next year. if you think it may not be a vaccine then i thought you had more sense.

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The green lists are compiled by the civil servants who work for every government...not just Tory, Labour or any combination of the two.
It is true to say that many countries would make it onto the green list...except these civil servants have not yet assessed the figures for these countries.

As to the risk....if you have had two vaccinations then should this not give you protection?

No one in their right mind would be heading off to places that are still badly affected....
But Cashy, would you go for a holiday to the Falklands or to Iceland...just because some civil servant tells you it is safe?

What is safe anyway?

And as to you never having heard such rubbish in your life....well, all I can say is that you live a very sheltered life!
(That, I do not believe for a second)

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Clearly, you thought wrong then.

And by next year it may be possible to travel to more places. Places where a beach holiday is possible...where children can enjoy the facilities as much as their parent.

That you are going to one of these listed countries does not mean that the majority of holidaymakers would choose to go to any of these.

As my previous post says...most want to go to known and trusted holiday destinations

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just ban all foreign travel both in and out of the country. at least doing this gives the country a better chance to keep any new straines of the virus out. unfortunetly the government are trying to keep everyone happy. keeping the virus under control and the vested interest of travel companies and airlines. give them their way they,d still be running regular flights to india or anywhere else where the virus is raging.

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we have 4 holidays booked at the moment next year we are going to iceland and northern norway cos we want too not the fact its listed.it was booked before any pandemic

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well you,ll enjoy iceland. met a few of different ages who have been there and non have had anything bad to say about the place. they knew it would not be like benidorm or be as cheap as chips before they went.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1253847]Is that code for nicking stuff from fields & farmer Giles trust box?

Only if its in Merseyside ! ;););)

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Enjoy those breaks Cashy....are they cruises by any chance?
One of our lads worked in the Scandinavian countries....all of them, at one time or another...he liked the places but not the food.
He used to pack supplies to take with him.
This is over thirty years ago now so I reckon there might have been some changes.

Iceland does not appeal to me, nor does Norway.....but I hope you both have a lovely time on your breaks.

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This country has vaccinated 53.5 million people.
18 million have had both vaccinations....by the time the holiday season comes around that will have risen quite a bit.
So why the reticence at allowing folk to have holidays in Europe?(if that is what they want).

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yep we have been norway before it is expensive but we love it.

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its very understandable to me europe are way behind us in them, and e.u people go to the places we do.

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Yes, but vaccinated travellers are protected aren’t they?
And I am sure they are taking sensible precautions in Spain and France.....my niece has just been to Seville from Brussels where she is working.....I am sure she would not risk her health....but then again she is in the age group that seem not to susceptible.

If you were unvaccinated then of course you would not go.

I would not go anywhere in a plane vaccinated or not.

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im under the impression that if you are vaccinated you can still pass it on if you get a mild dose? nothing to say who will get it at a mild dose?

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So...not protection then?
If it is not protection, then it is not a vaccine in the true sense of the word.

So, why have it if it does not do what a vaccine is supposed to do?

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that to me is silly it stops you getting a bad version of it. or does that not matter to some?

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It may not stop you from getting it.....and you can still be passing it on.....so it is not a vaccine.
Smallpox vaccine stops you from getting it...polio vaccine stops you from getting polio....but the Covid vaccine will only (maybe) ensure you get a milder dose....so it then becomes a treatment rather than a vaccine.

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:cool:

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who cares if thats what it does? beats the hell outa me.

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I hope it does not beat the hell out of you. I quite like that you still have some hell in you!

And they are, (Come September) going to be giving this vaccine(that is not a vaccine) to 12 year olds...who are unlikely to get Coronavirus....so what is the rationale behind that then.

Because it surely is not to prevent transmission since this vaccine does not guarantee to prevent transmission.
Cashy..it does not make sense to me..but since you feel more secure having had this protection(that may not protect you from transmitting the infection...and may not stop you from getting it either...though milder) I accept your viewpoint.

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I love Norway (they had the sense not to join the EU) and it isn't so much that it's expensive, it's just that everywhere else is cheap.

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I wouldn’t be travelling anywhere right now or in the near future, not because I am scared of getting the virus but because I would not like to have to spend my holiday in quarantine. More than once over here the rules have changed even while people have been in the air traveling from one State to another. When their plane has landed they have been told they have to go into quarantine for 14 days. Just imagine if you are off on a holiday for two weeks and between leaving home and arriving at your destination the situation has changed and you find that you will be spending this in a hotel room (and often at your own expense).

Definitely not worth the risk to my way of thinking of being stranded away from home.

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Regarding vaccinations (and again I am writing about here in Australia) anyone under 50 will get the Pfizer jab but over 50 it is the AstraZeneca one. There have been some cases here of blood clots using the latter but over 50’s cannot opt to have an alternative. I consider this a form of discrimination and so as far as I am concerned they know where they can stick that jab.

It’s all a shambles here anyway, places are being prepared as vaccination hubs but the supplies of the vaccine seem to be seriously lacking.

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Summarising, and questioning, what we have been told so far re the vaccine:

It might or might not prevent a person catching COVID-19.
If a vaccinated person does catch the virus then possibly (but who knows, has this occurred yet to prove it?) they won’t get it as bad.
Even if vaccinated a person can still be contagious. So how safe will it be if vaccinated people, who are actually contagious, mix freely with others?
How will the vaccinated person who is contagious know that they are?
If it is known they are contagious will they have to go into quarantine?
Will this be a vaccine that necessitates yearly jabs (and double doses of it, as at present)?
Does anyone in authority really know what they are talking about or is it a lot of surmising what might, or might not, happen?

I consider these to be reasonable questions and so far I have no confidence in what I have been told about the merits of having the vaccine. The problems that might arise down the track for those vaccinated worries me, and Cashie, please don’t say that you couldn’t care less about such things as I like to think we all do care, you included. I am hoping you will treat this post with respect as I am not being frivolous in asking these questions. They are of real concern to me.

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i read a report a couple of weeks back dottie about a chap who had had the virus a few weeks after being jabbed and had got it, and it was a mild version that.ll do for me.

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if what i heard was correct the new indian variant has been reported in greater manchester. begs the question of how it got there in the first place and has there been cases on the continent of europe. if the answer to the latter is no i,d love to know it got here.

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[QUOTE=dotti34;1253902]Summarising, and questioning, what we have been told so far re the vaccine:

It might or might not prevent a person catching COVID-19.
If a vaccinated person does catch the virus then possibly (but who knows, has this occurred yet to prove it?) they won’t get it as bad.
Even if vaccinated a person can still be contagious. So how safe will it be if vaccinated people, who are actually contagious, mix freely with others?
How will the vaccinated person who is contagious know that they are?
If it is known they are contagious will they have to go into quarantine?
Will this be a vaccine that necessitates yearly jabs (and double doses of it, as at present)?
Does anyone in authority really know what they are talking about or is it a lot of surmising what might, or might not, happen?

I consider these to be reasonable questions and so far I have no confidence in what I have been told about the merits of having the vaccine.

think its people in general who have thought the vaccine to be some sort of magic bullet to end the virus for good. the government never said this from the outset saying you can still get it and still be able to pass it on. its just it should be less serious thats all. for me its something that will replace the yearly flue jab where it will be tweeked yearly as the situation demands.

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Should that not be :-


for me its something that will like the yearly flue jab will be tweeked yearly as the situation demands.


i.e. Two jabs one for flue and one for corvid

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no point having a flu jab as the virus has killed that off.

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We were told right from the start, monkey hanger, that COVID-19 and the flu were caused by different types of viruses, so doubt the COVID virus has killed off the flu, nor will the vaccine for one be effective for the other. Here is the worry then, if people stop having their yearly flu jab thinking that this illness has been eradicated, has been defeated, guess what will be showing its ugly head again in the very near future. Also we must remember that every year the 'make-up' of the flu changes.

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7 more cases of blood clots here linked to the AstraZeneca vaccine, taking the total so far to 18. I know someone will post that this is a small number out of the 1.8 million doses given up to now, but if you were one of those 18 you might think differently. Even though I think most of them are recovering it would still be a scary thing to go through. As we all know, blood clots can (and do) kill.

Also just heard that if the rate vaccinations are being carried out over here continues as is then it could be 2023 before this is completed.

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they said last year there were zero flu cases. was it that anyone with flu was treated as a covid case just to pump up the numbers. just wish we are told true accurate facts and not ones they want us to hear. i was more than a bit tongue in cheek about the end of flu. imagine last winter there would be cases like every year but not reported as such with the covid obsession.

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It's a case of playing the odds - if seven people die of blood clots and 127'000 die of the virus (even if you dispute those figures you would still have to accept that half of those deaths are actually attributable to covid) so let's accept the sceptics view..... even then the odds are going to be about 10'000 to 1 of dying from blood clots against dying of covid. You make your own decisions based on personal circumstance and risk. Yes some unfortunate people are going to die from the vaccine but a lot more would die without it. It should always be your personal choice whether or not you have it but for those of us in the more 'high risk' groups I would take a look at the statistics and work out those odds.

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Which sounds reasonable on the face of it, but the reality is far different. Folk being singled out or not allowed to do certain things if not vaccinated, discrimination & persecution in anyway you look at it for exerting your freedom of choice.

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There is a difficult balance between personal freedom and how that freedom impacts on others. We used to smoke everywhere - even the teacher used to smoke in the classroom. People are still allowed to smoke if they wish to but not in a public place to the detriment of others. Would you allow unrestricted travel to India at this moment in time ? Until it is completely under control there ae going to be certain restrictions whether we like it or not and I have yet to hear about anyone being vaccinated against their will.

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Not talking about travel to India Jimmy, just simple things, going to a restaurant, the pub or other such places, no vax/recovery/test, no entry, to my mind that is divisive & as such forces folk to conform under compulsion.


Not really in the ideals of a "free" society is it?

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We have allowed people to travel back from India knowing that there is a dire situation over there.
The borders should have been closed weeks ago.

You are right when you say that people who choose to have the vaccination do so because they have determined their own risk....and that is how it should be.
If you have felt safer being vaccinated then it is the right thing for you.
What gets me is that there are some who would make vaccination mandatory.

If you believe that the vaccination works then anyone who is unvaccinated poses no risk to you.
If you do not believe it will protect you....then why would you want everyone to have a vaccine that does not protect?

A vaccinated person may still acquire this infection....and may also transmit it.....and that is according to the literature produced by the manufacturer.

The only vaccines that use inactivated particles of the virus to stimulate an immune response are the Valneva vaccine and the Sinopharm(also marketed as Coronavac).
This iis the nature of previous vaccines....polio, smallpox etc.

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No...it isn’t..it is fascist idealism.(and that should worry people)

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1253968]We have allowed people to travel back from India knowing that there is a dire situation over there.
The borders should have been closed weeks ago.

they all should have been closed from march 2020 and not just india. the general public i think believe they are closed because they could not go abroad on holiday last year and to limited destinations this one. something else the MSM keep as quiet as possible about. on the 15th april there were 6 hour queues at heathrow for people entering the country. suppose they were all entering the country because of a dire emergency. some seem able to travel anywhere they like at the time we are muzzles, distanced and eating and drinking outside with an overcoat and gloves on.

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they have not started burning books yet but god help anyone who riles up against what is happening in this country. its far from just the virus its a lot of our normal life thats under threat. not saying ladies and gentlemen in a railway announcement now in fear of upsetting a 0.1 of the population for a start. i give up i really do. if i was 50 years younger i,d escape this country as quick as i could.

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Aye, but where to mate?, I don't think there is anywhere in the world nowadays where these lefty, wokerist, useful idiot symptoms haven't crept in & poisoned some of the populace & the hard of thinking.

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there aint any places in the world where the HARD OF THINKING dont live.

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I am due to go to a clinic in Bolton soon to have a cataract removed and not knowing Bolton we decided to have a dummy run today. We had no intention of getting out of the car or even opening the window.
What amazed me, especially after reading that Bolton was a covid hot spot, was the fact that there were lots of people milling around in groups and mostly without masks. It still seems there is a large amount of people who don't give a dam about others and think covid will not affect them.

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that does not surprise me at all gremlin when Bolton visited stanley last season they were nothing but scummy animals damaging parked cars etc and the behaviour in the ground was shocking.

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I once mentioned on an earlier post that a lifelong friend of mine, (a martial arts master) had been put into a coma for three weeks early on in the corvid crisis but had thankfully recovered. I have just been informed of his death by skin cancer. Nothing to do with the Covid 19 but with me never being a (God Botherer) when your time is up then the clock stops,I just hope that my clock stops before, As Monkey Hanger always says Her in the kitchens does.

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At least you're not in Scotland where the virus can discern between a crowd opposing illegal criminal immigrants being deported (encouraged and supported by their "glorious" leader) and a crowd celebrating their football team's success (derided and despised by their "glorious" leader)

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I know I am old and am losing millions of brain cells every day (don’t sneer – we all are, but no need to panic because we start off with billions of these neurons) but I like to think I do have at least a spark of intelligence left.

However, with every day that passes, the COVID-19 debacle confuses me more. A person in authority tells us that we should all be vaccinated, it is the only way for protection against the virus, and yet we are also told that the vaccine does not offer full protection, either against a person getting the virus or passing it on – and will not protect against the new strains that keep cropping up. Oh, yes! and by the way, having the Jab might make you ill – but not to worry because it only affects a few – too bad if it’s you. You might ask if there will be a need for yearly jabs – you might well ask but you won’t get an answer because apparently nobody knows.

Depending on who you are is whether it is deemed safe for a person to return home from places like India. Does this mean that the virus actually knows your circumstance (if you are a (wealthy) sportsperson for instance). Too bad if you're not.

It seems to me that those who make the rules are chasing their tails, never getting in front of the situation. Good job they were not in authority years ago – enough said! On that note I will shut up, have a strong cup of coffee, try not to worry about the number of brain cells I have left to lose, and wait for the predictable comments that will probably be forthcoming.

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By the way, the spokeswoman of an airline over here, who of course has a vested interest, wants borders opened up for international travel – even though she said (and I quote) ‘some might die’. What!

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never let profits ever get in the way of life. if the travel and air industry had there way they,d never have shut the world down anyway. get sick of hearing the bleeting of the so called hospitality industry. what they lost last year they,ll make up for it in the future and more so. went away for a few days but came home on the same day. tried charging us twice for our dogs, and told em to stuff it. been to their site between 20 and 30 times over the last 6 years and never to return. rip off britain. it will get worse for sure.

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Just so we (at least on here) can’t claim we weren’t aware, once the Govt’s emerging ‘Pass laws’ are enforced on us, the NHS App that will soon be needed to ‘prove’ our ‘right’ to access services and places will collect data that goes well beyond ‘health’.

The latest privacy policy also contains a long and confusing list of personal data under “The Personal Data we collect and how it is used”, some of which look worryingly sensitive – such as ethnicity, vehicle registration plate, national insurance number, employer, biometric and genetic information and criminal convictions.

https://theconversation.com/nhs-vacc...20%2F05%2F2021

“Papers, please, comrade citizen?”

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This is the TalkRadio interview this week on this issue...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpsLvHOjHCA

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Julia Hartley Brewer who is digital radios version of Katie Hopkins.

It’s ironic that someone on a radio show that is only accessible via a digital medium is worried about a digital medium.

I have the NHS app and have used it for over a year for track and trace….yeah it had issues in the early days with false positives and other bugs, show me an app that doesn’t need debugging once its released. I’ve had more issues with my banking apps and Google Chrome crashing on my Amazon fire than with the NHS app.

I’ve read the privacy notice and it follows GDPR guidance I can’t for the life of me see a problem, but if you have an issue I suggest you take it up with the ICO.

I’ve just run my app to check for travel and it generates a QR code and gives a visual note that I’ve had my 2 vaccinations, I can also evidence the dates of my last LFT test and PCR test by showing the resulting NHS texts..

….so tell me what is the difference between that and showing my passport and various pieces of paper proving that I’ve had the vaccines for yellow fever, cholera and malaria at check in?

What this Hartley Brewer buffoon fails to mention is that although information about your medical history is accessible to you on your app, IT IS NOT disclosed at passport control….kinda like using your bank app to pay for something on amazon doesn’t give them free access to the payment history or wage details on your bank account..

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those without a divice to load up the nhs app will become second class citizens i suppose. so the government is forcing you to buy something you feel you have no need of just to live the life you want. the idea of ID cards was thrown out years ago. now its being proposed to really bring this back through the back door with the virus as an excuse. no wonder there are so many conspiracy theories doing the rounds. there could be another group of people around shortly. they will be called the app deniers.

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If you have a smart phone and want to use these apps, then so be it.
But for those of us out there who do not have a smartphone we are stuffed.
I have a mobile phone that has no internet access, no camera..it can make a call and it can text....but nothing else. And I am not alone...there are a lot of people who do not need to be forever connected to the internet via a smartphone.
Where does that leave us.
as for asking what the difference is between the details on a smartphone and a passport...there is a big difference...the passport is unlikely to get hacked(in normal use) and I am not going to be asked for my passport unless I am leaving or entering the country.

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I'm with you on this one Marge.

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All phones have the ability to track you and apps give the owners of those apps ever more info on you, your habits, what you like and even how you think. Now a lot of people reckon if you are a law abiding citizen then it shouldn't bother you but that all boils down to who is in control and who is making the laws. Would you be happy if the dictat came from the Chinese Communist party (or any other variant for that matter) or one of the newly emerging fascist groups considering that these days there are fascists on the far right AND the far left (same dictatorial nonsense from both ends of the spectrum). We have limited freedoms as it is and a lot of these controls via apps and even the computer we are all using to access this site erode those ever further. I fear though that it is unstoppable - akin to the letting the genie out of the bottle as with nuclear weapons. Once someone has them others HAVE to have them otherwise those that do have them will be able to control those that don't.

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My phone has no apps...it is switched off unless I want to make a call. I have had twenty pound of credit on it since before Christmas...so that shows my use of it.
I would not have one at all, but my family get twitched if I don’t have one...not that they can phone me on the damn thing because it is switched off.

There are many like me who feel no need to be connected to the www.

I agree that it is all about tracking and control, but it has to seem like it is for the users convenience for it to be acceptable.

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Hmm…if you are concerned about being tracked on your phone I suggest you stop using your internet connected computer/phone/tablet to post on this or any other website (unless you are savvy enough to use a VPN), even If you are using two wires and a lemon to power it.

You can get a basic smartphone for as little as £7.50 a month from Tesco or buy one outright for £80 and pay as you go with a 99p sim card from Range at Whitebirk. It’s irrelevant if you have it switched on or not, if you have the app the information is there when you do switch it on.

Like I said last post, read the apps privacy policy, it’s GDPR compliant, your data is secure…to access my details you need to input my birthdate, my email address, my 13 digit password and you need my phone (which needs my fingerprint). You need to do this manually every time. It doesn’t store cookies or password on Google or your password manager like your Accyweb, Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Twitter, Twitch, Sainsburys, Tesco, Asda etc etc etc accounts.

If you really believe that this is an insidious attempt by the government using a pandemic to somehow bring a form of ID through the back door you need to give your head a wobble, this is about convenience.

Can you guys give me an alternative, cheap way of evidencing that you have been innoculated?

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on your first point i for one just do not want one and if someone gave me one i,d not use it. its not about the money its about being told you are expected to have something like this nowadays. only bought a laptop really at first to avoid buying all the car magazines i used to buy weekly and monthly. no one is ever going to tell me i need this and that just to live a life. as for your second point whats wrong in providing a card like a football season ticket to show you have been vaccinated. cannot see a large cost in that after the millions of pounds all governments waste in a year. putting dingy divers into inferior and cheaper accomodation for a start would go a long way to pay for it.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1254113]My phone has no apps...it is switched off unless I want to make a call. I have had twenty pound of credit on it since before Christmas...so that shows my use of it.
I would not have one at all, but my family get twitched if I don’t have one...not that they can phone me on the damn thing because it is switched off.

There are many like me who feel no need to be connected to the www.

I only take mine with me, switched off, if i,m on my own in the car. going over the moors its a just in case of a breakdown thats all. having one with you switched on all the time is akin to being electronically tagged to me.

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I thought I'd put my two-bob's worth in about privacy or rather the lack of it these days. In 1949 George Orwell’s book 1984 was published. People did not believe that any of the things in the book would happen and over the years would often say, almost as a joke, ‘Big Brother is watching you’ - Big Brother being a character in this book.

Government surveillance, surveillance capitalism - where your personal data is sold for profit, and all the new technology being what it is, it might well be that Big Brother really is watching you. Just a thought.

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I find it very annoying when I might have been searching for something on the Internet, maybe some household item, and then I find that on so many other sites I might visit for other reasons there are pictures of that same item, or similar, everywhere. I do feel like I am being watched, if only in a technological way.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger; as for your second point whats wrong in providing a card like a football season ticket to show you have been vaccinated. cannot see a large cost in that after the millions of pounds all governments waste in a year.

When I went for my first vaccination I was given a ticket for want of a better word with my name, the vaccine type and the date on it, when I returned for my second dose it was also put on the same ticket. when I got home I simply laminated it and keep it with my old geezers bus pass that has my mugshot on it, I use the bus pass and my driving licence as proof of identity.(Job Done).

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Can you guys give me an alternative, cheap way of evidencing that you have been innoculated?[/QUOTE]

Guinness, please See my last post, 1888

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there must be a reason why after downloading the live football streams i have used this season for stanley and a couple of others that my email in box suddenly has many more odd emails in it. suppose they,d say its co incidence. thats something i,ll never buy.

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Yes, I am tracked when using my computer....or my activity is tracked, but with a phone My location and everywhere I go carrying it is tracked too.
Do I want that...?
As to the cost of a smart phone....I have no desire to get a smartphone as there is nothing I would do with it...like my current mobile phone...it would lurk in the bottom of my bag dead as a dodo.
As to how I would prove my Covid status....why should that be of interest to you or anyone else.
If you have been vaccinated then YOU are protected....and anyone who has not been vaccinated poses no threat to you.
Isn’t that what vaccinations do?
Protect you against getting this infection.
Whether this app is safe or not does not concern me because it will not go on an non internet phone and I have no intention of getting another phone.
Yes, it is very much about getting in ID by the back door and under the guise of convenience.
Make something seem attractive to the population and they will swallow it.
No...my head wobbles on its own thank you very much.
As for all those hoops you have to jump through to access the privacy of this app....well can’t see Taddy going for that...or many others of this older generation...and I bet any money somewhere along the line this big organisation will have their security breached and some unfortunate folk will have their information on the dark web...for sale.

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10% of the population do not have a smartphone...many of these fall into the category of ‘the elderly’.
Those who do have a smartphone may find that the app is incompatible with their phone due to the age of the phone....the older folk do not tend to upgrade their phones as readily as younger people...they tend to stick to what they know.

To download the NHS app you need to be able to prove who you are...a passport or a photo driving licence needed...a bus pass doesn’t cut it.
Many of those who fall into the ‘elderly’ category will have neither of these.(I have not had a passport for over 15 years and I gave up driving 19 years ago). I have no intention of going anywhere that a passport might take me.
Then come the process of logging in if you have the app.
A thirteen digit password is asking a lot from those who may have problems with a simple password for their Sainsburys app(though many of these elderly will not have that app either)
If you asked my husband what his e-mail address is...he would look at you blankly and direct your query to me....as fo4 a thirteen digit password...he would have no chance with that one.
Taddy has the right idea...if you need to show your vaccine status, the. Use the card that you were given....though as I say...you being fully coveredshould not need to worry about who is not vaccinated.

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Taddy, I get that you are a self confessed Luddite…..I got the same card signed in the first instance by a volunteer fireman at Blackburn Cathedral in January and only signed at my request by a volunteer at Cannon Street in April….its easily duplicated by anyone with a semi-decent printer and the signatures are uncheckable and meaningless.

I’m really not going with the old people will struggle argument, since technically I’m one.

As for remembering passwords and other information…I’m afraid that’s the sign of the times, ring your doctor they need to know your birthdate and address, ring your bank they need to know your password, your account number, the last transaction you made etc..etc..etc..

You guys are actually proving my point, the reason you see adverts for stuff you are interested in or have bought is because Google or whatever search engine you use is ‘tracking’ you. It’s tracking sites you visit, things you buy and offering adverts tailored for you. You get none of this from the NHS app that you are so concerned about. How many of you automatically log in to this site using your browsers password manager?

Yep I’m vaccinated, and I still do two LFT tests a week, because I want this virus under as much control as possible….and yep it bothers me that some choose not to vaccinate. As with all virus, not everyone who has it gets symptoms or gets ill, but they can still unknowingly transfer it to people who are not as lucky.

In my view and looking at the reams and reams of facts…… the more people that don’t vaccinate the more chance of the virus mutating and making my vaccine useless and putting me and mine at risk. I’ve watched two people slip away because of this damn virus and have no desire to see another.

So again I ask, considering using the app is less invasive than posting here, buying something from Amazon, Argos or Sainsburys, and its more secure than Accyweb…

whats the issue with using the app

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The issue with the app is that not everyone has a compatible phone...or wants a compatible phone (however cheap this might be)...I fit into the elderly category too....and I do not want a phone at all.
As for your justification of security....not all of us shop online.
My husband goes into the bank to deal with any financial issues...he needs only a four digit pin and sometimes he forgets that...but has no other signs of dementia (these PIN numbers are not important to him....and he has someone who will remember them for him...ME.....and you are going to tell me that this is a security risk too)

Getting this app requires phot ID....we do not all have current passports or photo driving licences....some of us have given up driving.
We have no plans to leave the country.....and if you are vaccinated then you have done what you can to protect yourself...so coming into contact with someone who is not vaccinated is no risk to you...unless you do not feel that the vaccine offers protection.
As for being tracked on here or on any sites that we use on the computer, it is different to having all your health records on a mobile device.....because I know nothing of the hackability of phones....are you totally sure that someone cannot access this information....well of course you are otherwise you would not have it...would you?
But because I am a cynical baggage I do not want that for me.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1254143]

Getting this app requires phot ID....we do not all have current passports or photo driving licences....some of us have given up driving.

on a slightly different topic but one to do with ID. this is not anything new where ID is required for almost anything for no reason i can think of. its about 25 years ago now that my stepson who had a 5 grand cheque to deposit without a bank account in his name. he could not open an account at any bank because of not having any ID they required. no household bills in his name, only a provisional driving licence or passport. had to go to coventry eventually to find a bank at some obscure{then** far eastern bank.

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[QUOTE=Guinness;1254142]

Yep I’m vaccinated, and I still do two LFT tests a week, because I want this virus under as much control as possible….and yep it bothers me that some choose not to vaccinate. As with all virus, not everyone who has it gets symptoms or gets ill, but they can still unknowingly transfer it to people who are not as lucky.

better not go to any tropical countries then where far worse ailments are readily available.

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Roll on June 16th

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yes, as long as the scare mongers do not get there first. heard words like it might be too early being spoken already. well if these types do not fancy it just stay in your houses with your muzzle on and let others try to live again.

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i got my 2nd jab on tuesday .. at least im sorted now .. but the doc who did it told me i would be 95% covered in a weeks time .. i thought it was 3 weeks before you covered .. anyway saw this outside the castle pub on whalley road

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These ‘unpleasant times’ we are living through have many aspects.
One of them was that, when the Govt set up the private Lighthouse labs (with it’s business friends) to do PCR tests, it banned the Public Health labs from doing the same.
Later, it appears that false positive PCR test results were having such an impact on staffing levels, requiring healthy staff to stay away from work, that the NHS started doing its own testing.
But, still, the Govt is promoting private businesses ahead of public.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57243205

These comments stood out to me.

“...she later learned that the UK government advises that only private providers can be used for PCR tests for travel.“

He added: "If you haven't paid for a test then assume it's not valid."

Follow the money.