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It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they are being fooled.

It hit the papers yesterday that more people are dying from Flu and pneumonia right now than from the virus.....but this has been true for weeks if you look at the ONS statistics.

There will be many more people die from other things because they have not been able to see a GP...they might have had a telephone appointment, but you cannot see pallor or jaundice, or see clubbed fingernails by a telephone call....you cannot see if someone's walk is affected or if they sit down gingerly...you cannot palpate an abdomen or listen to breath sounds, check a BP or an ecg by phone.
So many life shortening conditions will have been missed as a result of us being duped.
Very sad. Very damaging and really unnecessary.

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I should have said that my quote at the start of my last post can be attributed to Mark Twain.

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surely others must know this. said right from the outset that other illnesses are still available. why is one virus so much more deadly than anything else known to man. has there ever been any disease ever that has had so much publicity and fear associated with it. will any winter flu outbreak be classed as corona virus. we do not know but there,s one here who has a feeling it will.

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I have to put a rider to this Marge, (if thats the right word).
Last weekend Hazel was suffering with terrible back pain and finding it hard to breathe,after ringing our G.P. surgery on Monday morning she received a telephone appointment in the afternoon with our G.P who told her to make an appointment with the practice nurse for the following day, Tuesday. The receptionist said that there were no appointments available until Hazel told her what the G.P. had said.
After having blood tests on the Tuesday morning, The telephone rang at 18-30 hours and our G.P. told her that she must attend A and E. immedeatly.
Hazel was given X rays, more blood tests etc and I brought her home around midnight; She has had to go back this morning for scans, she could not have had faster, better care anywhere, the only downside being that I was not allowed and am still not allowed to be with her because of the covid 19 rules.
so I am on tenterhooks at the moment not knowing what is going on.
Taddy.

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a similar thing happened with us last week ange had something wrong so rang up, doc rang back and said come see nurse etc etc, she dont like going alone but i stood outside and waited yon.

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Taddy, my thoughts are with you.
It is very worrying when someone who is the centre of your life is not well.
I hope things turn out well.
I am really glad that you were sorted out in a timely manner, and this maybe down to the particular practice as some are so much better than others.

Cashy, like wise. I am glad that Ange got to see someone.

All that said, it is putting a lot onto nurses.....and it is mooted that face to face consultations with doctors will be less common once all this has died down.
It causes me concern, not for me personally but for others who will avoid 'being a nuisance'
Or not feel confident about a telephone conversation with either a GP or a health care professional.
There is no substitute for seeing a patient....so much information can be gained from seeing how a patient walks into a consulting room.

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agree the nurse did a test on me about 2 weeks ago,then she did not know what it was, so she went and got the doc,to have a sneck, the doc only knew cos it was something that happened to her years back,or she wouldnt have known either. i was complaing of intense pain under my foot, was that bad i could not walk at all on the day before i went, she said when she had it she had never encounterd pain like it.:eek: seems it was a blood vessel that had burst that caused it.i still have a smaller lump under my foot but it aint bothering me at all now, she said it would ease off and go,thank god.

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Pleased to see disease ridden masks disposed of carefully!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0b53951afd.jpg

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SCUM are everywhere Less cos they know they have little to fear.

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Another good article in Spiked today.
I particularly noted that...

Back in March, the purpose of lockdown was to ‘flatten the curve’, to slow the spread of the disease – essentially, to prolong the epidemic – in order to prevent health systems from being overwhelmed. Of course, the hospitals in most developed countries were never overwhelmed in the end.... Since then, those who favour lockdown have retrospectively decided that lockdown should shorten the pain by suppressing the virus early. In other words, the same policy was supposed to achieve the precise opposite of its initial justification.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...-down-forever/

One might conclude we’re being governed by the gormless advised by charlatans funded by the avaricious.

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The avaricious never fund anything, they always play with other people's money so that their 'little' nest egg is always safe.

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That is spot on Less....absolutely spot on.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1243564]Taddy, my thoughts are with you.
It is very worrying when someone who is the centre of your life is not well.
I hope things turn out well.
I am really glad that you were sorted out in a timely manner, and this maybe down to the particular practice as some are so much better than others.

I always knew that Hazel had a big heart but it seems that the N.H.S. Consuultants are going to prove me right after damn near sixty years,after all the blood tests, x rays and whatever it seems that they have come to the conclusion that she (may have) an enlarged heart; she has to go back again tomorrow for another scan this time for her heart.

Please do not take this as a flippant comment but at the moment I am struggling to accept the diagnoses, Although Hazel (as always), is taking in her stride.

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Mate, sometimes it is the only thing to help you come to terms with your world being turned upside down believe me.

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Maybe, Less, but I was thinking of, amongst others, Neil Ferguson and Bill Gates as examples of my latter two categories.

Here’s an extract from one article I came across.
https://evolveconsciousness.org/neil...to-bill-gates/

You recall Ferguson’s much derided code was for a flu model made in 2005 for Taiwan. When he was rumbled, rather than open up the code for others in the field to review and help influence any actions governments were taking, Ferguson chose to go to Microsoft instead. Why? To re-write the code and make it better. So no one actually got to see the original bad code used to make a bad model that governments used to lock everyone down. Since when is Microsoft the experts to model epidemics? Fishy stuff.

Of all actions he could have taken, he went running to Microsoft, not other experts in field to properly model the pandemic. That’s interesting. Why?

Could it be due to some loyalty or influence related to Microsoft? Maybe the founder of Microsoft Bill Gates?

The Gates Foundation funded Imperial College at various times. Look at the coincidence of the timing for the 29-fold (29x) increase in funding.
In 2010, $2 million was given to Imperial College
In March 2020, $79 million was provided to Imperial College.

The avaricious may be happy to fund fund others when it will help them amass even more billions.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1243586]Taddy, I know that you are struggling to cope, but you will cope....and part if that will be because your lovely Hazel is not making a big fuss.

All you can do is take things one day at a time....and trust that whatever needs to be done will be done.
M x

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missed my 12 monthly hospital visit to the eye clinic due to the con flu. got a pointless phone call from the specialist there asking how my eyes were. i told him that i hadn,t a clue as i have no eye chart at home or ability to check my own eyes. having glaucoma which i only found out by accident when going for new reading glasses years ago cannot be diagnosed by phone as i imagine other things cannot be.

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Many thanks for the P.M. Marge, Much appreciated.

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I suppose this is the thread for this item:-

https://vimeo.com/448914764/a7516d3e...0e00550a180510

Lots of people have been hit hard by covid affecting their work, why are actors to be treated any different?

Shop workers, factory workers and many, many more people are facing an insecure future I would rather pay £5 towards their future than to the overpaid untalented 'luvvies' that are paraded in the many repeats on the haunted fishtank in the corner of my room.

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Less...I would not give them the steam off my tea.
They have earned(in the past) more than some of us will earn in a lifetime.
Plus they have had the ability to avoid paying taxes by salting their money in offshore accounts.
So if they are on their uppers, then that is their fault.
They need to get with the real world...sell some of their stuff, downsize, pull the belt a bit tighter.

I have zero sympathy for them.

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when you listen to the rubbish they spout they live in their own world or bubble as its called now.

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Yes, it they do not live in the world we live in!

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Best article for a while from Hector Drummond.

https://hectordrummond.com/2020/08/1...-19-decisions/

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Exile, much of the stuff in that report has been posted on here.....sometimes by you, sometimes by me.
I think there are people who have read the stuff we have researched(from other than mainstream sources) and have maybe (at best) considered us to be nuts. Both of us(I refuse to be in this alone).
I know that I have been taken to task for my stance...yet all I was doing was providing relevant information that would allow people to see that we are being bamboozled by government....and would allow them to review the scientific evidence for themselves.

When a manufacturer of face masks puts a notice on the package that says the mask will not protect them or anyone else from the Virus.....the believe the manufacturer, they know the spec and tolerance of the product.

I have said for a long time that viruses will pass through all the masks.....and that once masks become moist there is a two way traffic of viruses, bacteria and fungal spores.
But no-one listens.
It is obvious government speaks louder than the science.....and that the instilled fear is so deep rooted that it has paralysed all rational thought and action.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1243644]


When a manufacturer of face masks puts a notice on the package that says the mask will not protect them or anyone else from the Virus.....the believe the manufacturer, they know the spec and tolerance of the product.

if you actually wanted to wear a face muzzle anyway you would attempt to purchase the best one available no matter what the cost and follow all instructions regarding their life span and cleaning available. people have been put in a situation where they are ticking a box just to keep others off their backs. they will end up that the dirtyest thing on their body is not a muddy shoe its their face covering.

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Today, while out and about I saw numerous people taking single use masks out of their pockets and putting them on to enter shops.
Who knows how many uses these masks have had, and what bacteria they are carrying and transmitting to others?
These people were handling baskets and trolleys with hands that were contaminated by their mask....some did not use the sanitiser on entering shops.
Anything they touch can transmit whatever they are carrying. The person on the till feels safe because the person they are serving is wearing a mask...what they don't know is that everything in their trolley or basket has been contaminated by (dirty) hands.

Oh well, I guess it will give the till operators immune system something to work on.

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exactly, everyone below the government know or knew this would happen. even those who volunteered to wear the things before it became compulsory will be found it your catogary.

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There has been some propaganda on TV masquerading as an advert.
'This not a mask, this is freedom'
The hell it it!
How can it be freedom if it is mandatory?
How easy it is to brainwash the general public...it seems they want to be Brain rinsed.

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dont understand anyone who does not mute the ads,its always done in our house,

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Oh Cashy...would that I could get my hands on the remote control!
That is an unrealised dream.
My other half nurses the wizzer like it is a very precious part of his anatomy.
If I had my way I would mute the programs as well!

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thing is what i dont understand with masks, why are the N.H.S. advocating wearing them also showing videos on how to make your own yet you say they are useless margaret?

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Imagine a football is a germ, now imagine the football net is a mask, kick the ball into the net and the mesh stops it because the football is bigger than the mesh.
Now, imagine a virus which compared to a football is the size of a pea, throw that into the goal the mesh is too wide apart to stop the pea so a virus would go straight through a mask.

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aye less but that dont answer my question about the N.H.S. advocating it.

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Some mysteries in life I'm just not clever enough to explain.
:confused::confused:

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Cashy, it is not ME saying they are useless.


The scientists (and the science has not changed)are saying they are useless, the mask manufacturers are saying they wil NOT protect you against viruses.
I can provide you with detail of at least 42 peer reviewed scientific studies going back as far as 1975 that will tell you this...AND will also tell you the risks you run by wearing these masks non stop(as they are expecting children to do when they resume school in September)


Wearing a mask is a sign that you are compliant with what government are asking you to do(Brain rinsed).....but it does not show whether you are treating the masks with the care that is needed to ensure you do not contaminate other things in your life....and it will be bacterial or fungal contamination you spread from the mask as viruses are too small to be captured by these maske.


I will say again....ANYTHING smaller that 300 nano-microns will not be captured by any mask.
The covid virus is 190 nano-microns so it gets through very easily...and once a mask is moist then it makes transmission even easier.

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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Less. Go to the top of the class...and you can be pencil monitor and milk monitor for the forseeable future. I wish I had thought of that!
Brilliant analogy. And being football themed that might make sense to those who have found my explanations difficult.


It is time that people started to question why we are being manipulated as we are.
The answers are out there.
They are scary and sound too 'science fiction'...but that means there is every chance they are accurate.
It scares me anyway.

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not saying its you am asking why the N.H.S. are advocating? personally i take more notice of them than any scientist.

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Because the NHS is a politicised organisation and it does as the government meddlers tell it to do. I know this for a fact...I have been in enough meetings where government directives are being discussed, but are implemented regardless.

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so don't you believe the underpinnings of health care are based on scientific research Cashy?


This is not an NHS edict...it is a government edict and the NHs complies with the edict

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yes but i fail to see why the N.H.S. are saying that if science says different. also i fail to see why they agree with government when many times we have all seen them strongly disagree.:confused:

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Cashy, you are too trusting. You trust what the government is telling you....these politicians whose stock in trade is lies.

The NHS is an organisation that is manipulated by politics. They do as they are told.
How often has it been used to score political points?
Where does it get its funding from?
Government!
So if the government says jump, the NHS not only jumps but it asks how high and how long it needs to stay up.
It was ever thus....nothing has changed.

Cashy throughout this thread I have taken time to find links to the science...so that you may arm yourself against the big con that is going on.
It is not for me...but to help.others to inform themselves, to protect themselves.
But if you want to believe what the government tell you, believe that they have your interests at heart...wear your mask, then, of course that is your choice.....just don't believe it will offer you any protection against the virus.

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It won't offer an protection from the people that insisted on making masks compulsory either, except, perhaps you won't get fined for not wearing one.

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No-one is being challenged if they are not wearing a mask.
How many police do you see in Accrington town centre?(remember the police station is on Broadway)
Asda are not challenging those not wearing masks and not only that they are putting announcements on the tannoy to say that some people not wearing masks are exempt.

You can go to the pub, eat out, no mask required, you can go to the gym exerting yourself, breathing hard, but not wear a mask....but a trip to the shops and you have to wear a mask.
This is neither sense nor logic.
Cashy, I cannot make you understand...I can only give you reason and evidence.

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It’s not what ‘THE NHS‘ is saying, it’s who in the NHS is saying it.
These announcements, as Margaret alluded to, are usually put out from HQ by paper-pushers, statisticians, and even more grandly titled administrators. Their role is to do as their paymasters (the Govt) tell them if, for no other reason, than their admin jobs depend on it.
Here’s a letter that, it’s claimed, comes from a front line consultant.

https://georivista.com/2020/07/16/ch...obal-research/

This is not the only such comment I’ve come across from real medics, as opposed to the politicised bureaucracy of the NHS. Here’s another.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...t-the-lockdown

And, if anyone is still in doubt, here’s what it says on the Boots web site:

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While I have been retired from the NHS for a long time now, I can confirm that I have been in meetings allegedly to discuss government guidelines.....our discussions were irrelevant.
Just a paper exercise to make it look like there had been consultation with medical staff.

Exile, you are right....who pays the piper calls the tune....so the government hand down the rules....the administrators hand them down to the minions and the minions tick the boxes.
That is how it works.
So your comment is spot on.

We can post all the links, the articles, the science, but it does not seem to make much of an impact.
But, I find it interesting so keep posting these nuggets...I value them.

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funny how michael gove a persistant non mask wearer is never seen or heard of over the last few weeks.

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It's like ak-ak in the war everyone knew it were a waste of time (the rubble and ruins around them showed that) but it 'helped' morale and made it seem like the powers were 'doing' something.

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Yes, that is exactly right...it is the visible evidence that they are doing something.....except it is the WRONG thing....and puts those who wear masks at risk.
During the pollen count yesterday there was a warning about moderate levels of fungal spores...breathe these in through a moist mask and you could have lung problems for the rest of your life.
Fungal lung disease can only be managed....not cured.

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There was also some evidence from a dental practices suggesting that mask wearers are more prone to gum disease...

https://www.technocracy.news/dentist...mouth-disease/

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Gum disease can also lead to Sub-acute bacterial endocarditis...valvular heart disease, which can lead to strokes.

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Couple of interesting articles about the ‘tests’ that are being used to continue the dempanic restrictions taken from the Lockdown Sceptics web site.

I found the first link from the second, but it’s probably is easier to read them this way round.
Below the second link, are the comments under the video from CiderGuy who suggests the false positive rate is not 2% (which is bad enough) but, according to the inventor of the PCR ‘test’, is over 80%!

https://www.weblyf.com/2020/05/coron...other-experts/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDec...ature=youtu.be

2% false positive rate for testing infectious disease with the PCR test? Really? Where did you get that claim from? The reason I ask is because it's genius Nobel laureate creator Kary Mullis calls garbage on that one. He claims 80%+ when used for testing on infectious disease (plus the obvious false negatives too) and said it should NEVER be used for that purpose EVER as his brilliant test was never designed for such a purpose and cannot even distinguish between infectious diseases.

The swab test would need to be a pure sample in the first place so how can a random swab inserted in either nose or mouth even begin to provide a pure sample? Impossible! It could be anything plus the PCR test when being (wrongly!) used as it is for these test is often upto 45 cycles tested on a sample which is ridiculous, even Kary Mullis said that if you have to go above 30 cycles to get a result then give up as you're never going to get an accurate, real result and that you could make a wrong positive result for just about anything you ever tested for.. How many million or even billions is the un-purified sample being magnified at when you reach 45 magnification cycles? Utterly laughable.

No, the reason the rt-PCR test is being used here, despite it being the completely inappropriate and deceitful test, is pretty obvious I'd say. It is not an error of judgment on their part, they are not that stupid. No, they are using this test because it is providing the results they want. It's no wonder worldwide the response has been test, test, test. Mission accomplished.

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There was a report that up to 50per cent of the Covid tests are contaminated with the virus.

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to be honest im past bothering about covid now theres too many different views on what will or wont be any good its just a matter of using common sense to me,

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I don't quite see how you can be past bothering Cashy when it is impacting on all areas of life.
You cannot see a GP face to face(how do you llook into someone's ears in a telephone consultation, or check to see if a skin lesion is cancerous).
Tha answer is you can't.
My daughter had serious surgery for a return of bowel cancer and has not been able to be seen by her surgeon.....now, how do we know if things are oK, if she cannot be seen and assessed....actually examined....and she is not the only one.

This fiasco is affecting the lives of everyone in one way or another.
I AM bothered....and will continue to be bothered until we are not treated like imbeciles and allowed to live again, because this is not living, it is existing.

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All this is going on in the world and there are fools who are more concerned about the last night of the proms and the words to a couple of patriotic songs.
It beggars belief....and I believe it is just a distraction....to,divert energy.

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i have seen a G.P. face to face Margaret only the other week.

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mind we both had masks on, and i went to see the nurse but when she looked she didnt know so she fetched the doc in.

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Well, you were very lucky Cashy.
Himself has been having bouts of earache since the start of the pandemic.
We have been using other drops....and he has probably had four courses of this...with little or no,relief.
This worried me.Sunday night he was in pain all night.
I phoned the practice Monday morning...was he seen?
No...now how can you diagnose what is going on without actually looking?
He had a telephone appointment with a 'clinician'( we have not a clue who this was), he was prescribed a steroid spray and told that if it is no better in a week then they MIGHT see him.

Now suppose there is something sinister going on.....but this has not been picked up because of the current situation?

It does not give any kind of comfort or confidence.

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have to disagree the doc was very lucky= to see me.:D mind if the nurse had known she wouldnt have done. the doc only knew cos she had the same a few years ago, she said she had never had pain like it.

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C’mon, Cashy, you can’t be that difficult to deal with! ;)
Anyway, hope they sorted you out.

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I am posting this link to a video that was a SCRIPTED SIMULATION...but watch it and then ask yourself whether you believe what we are being fed about the Coronavirus.

https://www.joshwhotv.com/video/2527...e-of-the-psyop

It is one hour and fifteen minutes long but ask yourself how this group of people who were in the simulation to accurately postulate what has ACTUALLY happened...and months before the plandemic hit the world.

Yes....there has been withdrawal of information...stuff that had been there on the internet is no longer there....but misinformation spread by governments are still there.

This stuff scares me

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Just watched it "BLOODY HELL"

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Yes.
I posted it against my better judgement, fearing that I would be branded a 'nutter' and tin foil hatter...or a conspiracy theorist...except when confronted by so much evidence and stuff that happened months BEFORE this plandemic arrived...well, you have to be worried.
Governments do not exist to make our lives better, they only exist to make their lives better and the lives of those people with money and influence(I have neither, by the way)
The world is ruled by big pharma(The CDC and WHO are manipulated by them) and they see us all as potential fodder and money in their coffers

I have been aware of a lot of this stuff since the beginning of the lockdown...and it gives me sleepless nights.
We really do need to wake up and smell the coffee but I fear it is too late and there is too much against us.

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Thanks for posting that link, Margaret.
Everyone who believes they have an open mind should spare 75 minutes of their lockdowned lives to watch it.

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It will be 75 minutes where they sit open mouthed and gaining the information that should be presented to everyone who doubts that this has been engineered.
It scares me...not for me, but for those who come after us.
It is like a very bad science fiction mopvie...except it is happening right now and nothing is being done about it.

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I have been heartened to see that in a number of countries there have been demonstrations regarding the plandemic....that there are others who are as worried as me.
Maybe, just maybe the powers that are behind all this will realise that they have been rumbled....except they have so much power on their side it would be easy for them to crush dissenters.

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I've met him often enough & yes someone does need to sort him out! :D ;)

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Special prize of a used mask to anyone who can find any reference on the BBC web site or radio about this.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/

And for those who took the time to watch the video posted by Margaret but just don’t believe our wonderful, independent media would resort to the kind of smear tactics mentioned therein, read how it was headlined in the Daily Moan.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...wn-London.html

Notice also that the lass who works for the NHS and whistle-blew on her Certificate of Bo**ocks (awarded to her for, in her words, doing nothing) is “being investigated”.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...load-b-ks.html

Thought her tweeted response was great:

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I noticed in the Mail online that they were keen to label those demonstrators as conspiracy theorists.
A label that allows them to shut down those of the population who are asking questions...and labelling them conspiracy theorists is calling them NUTTERS...without actually saying that.

The inconvenient evidence is there(in governemt documents, a simulation exercise that is so near the truth it is scary...AND FIVE MONTHS before the virus hit) if you want to see it...but I guess it is more comfortable to have your head in the sand(but not safer)
I also noticed the lass who did the whistle blowing too...loved her tweeted response.

The bottom line is that the media do not want us to know that this is a huge con job.
They do not want us to think..or put two and two together.
They know that a lot of people CAN'T think, but will swallow whatever pap is served to them by the media.

I would far rather be awake than WOKE

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being a virus conspiracy or a virus denier is far removed from many demonstators who regard the situation of lockdowns etc. being completely OTT in how its being handled at the moment. could be that the media were quite upset that the whole thing did not kick off big style and was quite peaceful as any demonstration goes.

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Noticed this placard in London on Saturday.

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I think that is spot on...it just missed out the two words ' Main Stream'.

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How many people do you know that have died from this Covid-19? I can see it hasn't killed the regulars on here. So what's going on?

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For me the answer is a big fat zero.

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It killed my old mate and he had no underlying crap in fact he was still doing Marathons. so odd off trying to stir it up.

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I am with you Cashy, in an earlier post I stated that a good mate of mine,(a ju-jitsu master) had to be put into a coma through Covid 19 and then spent another couple of weeks in hospital before being allowed home with a walking frame, which he inched about with for many, many weeks until he gradually regained, (some) of his strength.so they can sod off from me as well.
Regards Taddy.

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Here’s one doctor’s summary...
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/

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That is a very illuminating article and one which is echoed by other emininent medical authorities.....though none are to be found in mainstream media(that is probably by design).
We, the general public are being hoodwinked, bamboozled and manipulated into surrendering our freedoms.
We are doing nothing about it.....just accepting what we are being told....though it does not add up and is illogical.

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read it and as he works in a care home he says, then how qualified is the guy to evaluate,? cos to me what happened in care homes gives him a loaded gun.!

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Cashy this man is s Scottish Doctor....so I reckon he has some idea about what he wrote.
He might work for Care Homes as their GP.....and in that role he had no part in what the hospitals did...other than perhaps mopping up the mess that the hospitals made by sending residents back there with the infection and neglecting to inform the homes.

It looks like it was just a case of hospitals offloading patients.....and yes, I do understand that. But to send them into homes where there were other vulnerable people....well, I am not permitted by decency to tell you what I think of that.
But Malcolm Kendrick had nothing at all to do with what the hospitals did.....so sorry...no,loaded gun there at all.

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of coarse he had some idea more than me or anyone else on here in my view, but different docs have different views on this so what makes him right or wrong?

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Well, I suspect there are more like him out there who are staying silent because their jobs depend on it...he is also a well respected author, so has an alternative form of income
As to what make him right.....well, I don't know about you but if something makes no sense at all then in my opinion (and I know that this counts for very little) it has to be suspect.

I know this I have been swimming against the tide on this subject, but I doubt everything that I am being asked to accept....I have provided referenced evidence from eminent scholars, scientists, medical professionals.....all of whom question the 'experts' that have had their hand on the tiller of this country.

Has it ever occurred to you that these 'experts' might be the wrong ones?..By that I mean that they are not virologists or epidemiologists.....and therefore their expertise is not relevant....and yet we are being asked to follow their advice.

Have you ever asked yourself what nderlying agenda there is in this whole fiasco?
Have you read the documents in the public domain by Professor Mark Woolhouse(an epidemiologist and virologist...hence his expertise is recognised)...if you haven't then I recommend you look at what he has to say on all this.
I have previously posted links to this stuff, but you may have missed them.

Only time and history will tell....and I think that you and I Cashy may not see the final outcome....as we are both getting a bit long in the tooth

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i certainly have looked at much stuff i dont think is correct, i look at everything i can, but i am convinced no-one knows the outcome of this all i know is my owd mate died of it so i will stick to what i think is right. cos there is no explanation to me of how his death came about.

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Cashy, losing a mate is a very upsetting event.
It really does affect you...it underlines your own mortality.

I have not said that anyone knows the outcome...the outcome depends on what we do....whether we believe the stuff we are being fed.
That said, I have read stuff that does not support what we are being told....and the stuff is from trusted sources.
Also I have seen evidence (in the information released on world government meetings...I am thinking specifically of the PDF on Global preparedness) that tells me that this has been engineered for the purposes of control of populations, control of money, etc.
Now if that doesn't worry you....it should.
Not for your future, but for the futures of those who come after us.
We need to wake up to the dangers....and I mean Wake...not WOKE.

I know that you do not subscribe to this way of seeing it.....but I cannot tell you in any other way.....that you do not believe it is your choice.
Only time will tell.

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so many conflicting outlooks on one single subject. its become more like politics now than a health issue. you just pick the ones that suit your point of view. you can get 2 experts with the same experiance giving two opposite views. no wonder people are confused with totally opposite camps on a health subject.

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Riddle me this....how come Sweden has had no lockdown, no disruption to life, economy or jobs, no masks, no social distancing....in fact absolutely no special measures driven by the virus.....and there have not been millions of deaths.
Do their scientist work differently.?...is the science different in Sweden ?
Or is the virus different.....?
Or was it that they have known from the outset that this is not the disease that has been portrayed here.

And if the government had wanted to be pro-active why aren't they using testing on people who fly into this country instead of putting everyone into blanket quarantine.
If Blanket quarantine is appropriate now, why wasn't it appropriate at the start of the pandemic? It definitely would have made sense then, but less so now.

They parrot on about the number of people who have the virus, but do not tell you how many tests have been carried out......the other thing is that the tests do NOT determine whether you have Covid 19.....they will pick up any coronavirus....the common cold is a coronavirus...there is NO cure or vaccine for the common cold.
What they also do not tell you is that some of those people have been counted more than once.

They do not tell us how many of those proving positive for the virus are in hospital, or intensive care beds.....they tell us how many have died...whether thatnis FROM the virus....or with the virus, or from something entirely different(because they are still doing that) is unclear.
The establishment want it to be unclear to continue controlling the population

So these things all pose questions that no-one is answering.....because many of the answers would be inconvenient.
If things do not add up then it arouses suspicions....well, it does for me.

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Travelling about as I do, one sees all kinds of things, the Germans, being good little individuals that they are follow orders & traipse about all over masked up, a trollys distance or 2mtrs (Which for the Germans is shocking, because even before the "Scamdemic", personal space was something that other people did.



On my ventures into the land of the Grenouilles, once again all wearing masks, but social distance Meh, optional it seems, but then if you are unwise or unfortunate you go through some of the more "choice" suburbs none of the previous are in evidence.



From what I saw of the Danes, keep your distance 1.5mtr, but no masks & as to the Clogglets "What are you talking about, we are not needing these things!", anyone with a muzzle on in Holland was a rather nippy Mutt or a German ...... no real difference there then!


I come & go, flitting in & out of various establishments 99% of the time "Sans Muzzle" & that's a lot of flitting, those I speak to are seldom covered but on ocassion there's one or two & even rarer I have the misfortune to run into a mask-Nazi, needless to say I'm usually out of there sharpish when that happens.

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I had the need to go into the bank recently.
There was no-one in there except the teller(behind a full glass screen as they have been for donkey's years) and me.
I was the first in there.
I went to put my cheque in, to be told 'you should be wearing a mask'.
'Why' I asked.....'you are protected from me by the glass, I am protected from you by the glass.....and I am exempt from wearing a mask'
He asked me why I was exempt....I told him that I need not answer that question.
There was still no one in there when I left.
I have been out very little since the mask wearing came into practice....but I am told that only a few places challenge you....so I might just venture out now the children are back at school.

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It was in October2015 Cashy that all this plot was hatched.....but it goes back even further(to 2000).
196 countries signed up to a 'drill'....for that is what it was called.
The scenario was that a very virulent infective virus would escape(and they actually said from a Lab in China) and then they went on to discuss how the countries would handle this planned pandemic....read that again...it was PLANNED.
This drill HAD to be carried out before September of this year.
The proof of this is linked below

https://www-pub.iaea.org/iaeameeting...s-and-Response

If you look at this document you will see that it is from a website that ends in .org.....this means that it is a document published onto the Internet by government.

There is also a PDF of the actual work that was carried out at this conference in Vienna.....and it has a list of those who were in attendance.
I have posted a link to this document previously but I don't think you will have read it.
Maybe you think I am a conspiracy theorist....but conspiracy theorists rarely quote stuff that has been supplied by governments...or a group of countries governments.

How else would Anthony Fauci be able to predict a 'surprise' pandemic in 2018....it was because to him it would be no surprise....he was in on the planning of it.
The WHO, the CDC, the American War department(why would they have a hand in this...well because they contracted bioengineering of viruses to the Wuhan lab, that's why)the World Bank was involved and Bill Gates was in on this too...so it was no surprise to any of these.

The WHO suppressed information from China until they were sure that there were enough virus carriers released into the world population.

The establishment do not want us to know this stuff and daily stuff that was there, disappears.

Have you seen on the news the barbaric way that dissenters have been treated in the city of Melbourne....it is reminiscent of the gestapo tactics.
Inform yourself......information and knowledge is the only armour we have....poor as it is.....and unless we take notice then future generations will be paying the price for our lethargy.

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The above link is wrong, it is an earlier document I was looking at.
https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/ann...eport_2019.pdf

This is the meeting in 2019.....well before the pandemic hit.
One of the board members is Anthony Fauci.

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I don't thInK I could have been so polite, my reply would have been somethIng like, MYOFB!

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Less, i really wanted to tell him that, but I felt that my mother would disapprove.
She could tell people to go to hell in such a way that they woul look forward to the packing for the trip.....I am working on that technique but haven't quite got her expertise yet.....give it another 20 years(!) and I might have it sorted.

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If you can have it sorted in the next twenty years then please tell me the formula and I will halve you at the cost.
Stay happy, yours, the Luddite.

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Taddy it should not cost anything....I just have to hone the skills to the sharpness my Ma
achieved....that only takes opportunities....and the way things are right now I think there might be a few to test me.

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just wish i could develop :the look: that my parents posessed without having to say a word. was certainly a good think in their attempts to turn strangers into stone. teachers at school also had it in their ammunition which has beeb completly lost over time.

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the mention of parents and grandparents long dead makes me wonder what they would have thought and their reactions on the present virus situation. could not imagine my ma and granny harker popping down to the co-op masked up.

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Are you sure?
I was brought up in the 50's and I remember that (married?) women wouldn't dream of leaving the house unless they wore a head scarf or some other covering, convention, and it's effects are still seen today and they're trying to make wearing face masks seem like convention.

What I find irritating is, that before face masks were made compulsory those of us that didn't wear face masks didn't poke our noses in and try to make those that wished to wear them feel uncomfortably, we allowed for the fact that they felt better for wearing them, I don't feel comfortable wearing this useless article so should be allowed to go about my business without interference from the willing volunteers of the mask fascist brigade.

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You are right Less...women of that era did wear head scarves...or some wore hats.
It was convention.
You are right to about the mask fascists.....like you, I have never poked my nose in for those who feel compelled to wear a mask. It is their business if they want to breathe in the bacteria they have exhaled mixed with some that others have donated to them.

The other thing is I see people come out of shops wearing a disposable mask....a one use mask, they put it into their pocket and get it out at the next shop they enter.
Their pocket is riddled with bacteria from the mask....I have seen some put these disposable masks in their shopping bag on top of the shopping they have just bought.

This will be unloaded onto a kitchen counter and that will be contaminated, but it's alright because the shopper has washed their hands and used sanitiser gel.

I go about without a mask, (my choice)but I have not been shopping....but I am going to start, because I have been told that many of the larger shops are relaxed about not wearing a mask.
My husband has asked in some shops whether I would be challenged and most of them said I would not.

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i,ll have to come over to accrington to do my shopping if thats the case. imagine that you being female{oh can i still say that nowadays** are more likely being stopped than a man. me and her in the kitchen went into morrisons keighley about 45 minutes ago. we wen t in asian formation, her behind me. no one said anything to me but an assistant asked her about having no mask.

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[QUOTE=Less;1244269]Are you sure?
I was brought up in the 50's and I remember that (married?) women wouldn't dream of leaving the house unless they wore a head scarf or some other covering, convention, and it's effects are still seen today and they're trying to make wearing face masks seem like convention.

no, it was called fashion same as blokes wore caps or trilby hats. women in those days would not dare venture out without their slap on the same as blokes having a shave. what you see nowadays are load of scruffy jean or trackie bottomed wearing sights where its hard to imagine how they managed to get their partners interested to have the gang of kids some have.