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Meanwhile I think I'm losing my sense of taste, no, not Corona Virus, just these rubbish tins of beer I'm having to put up with, if only there was an app to deal with that.

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I still have an old Nokia 3310......it was bought for me so that I could use it in emergencies.
But the robbing bar stewards that go under the flag of Vodafone keep robbing me of money.
I got a SIM card put some money on it and they rob me of the money because I haven't had any emergency worthy of using a phone.....so if I don't use my phone they take my money.
I am not playing that fools game.
So now the Nokia and inert SIM card lurk at the bottom of a kitchen drawer.
When I had it working it was only switched on if I wanted to make a call....I never texted.

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Less, you will probably have lost the liking for a beer by the time the pubs open again.
There will be beer, but no atmosphere, no fun and you will go home a disappointed dejected man.
Sorry to be the bringer of unwelcome news.

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You know me, when the pubs re-open I will stay out until I've learnt how to enjoy myself again.

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God loves a trier Less....here's more power to your elbow(the beer lifting one).

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I'm an ambidextrous veteran of when last orders on a Sunday was at 2p.m. we could hold several pints in either hand and still sup it all in the 10 minutes before chucking out time.

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Ha,Ha, Ha,
Talking of texting, Texing or whatever the proper name is, if I need to get in touch with any one by text, I simply hand the Nokia over to Hazel and she does it for me; (sad or what?). Aah yes wives do come in handy for certain situations. If you see this Hazel I am only joking. (a bit)

As for the provider taking your money Marge, Hazel put the Nokia on "Pay as you go" for me, with B.T. and as I said earlier I still struggle using it so the cost is minimal.
If I had to go back to my previous method of communication, "the carrier pigeon", it would cost more in pigeon food and rubber bands to hold the message to it's leg.:):)

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Less, Don't bother with an "App", Try an "Aldi".
"Medusa", which is very simular to Hobgoblin is only £1-09p a pint, no good if you like lightish summer ales, "Medusa" is a ruby warming type of ale, 5% ABV.
Enjoy, Regards, Taddy.

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Taddy, it isn't really a problem, I'll endure the cans because the anticipation factor of that first foaming pint when the pubs open again will be that much more fantastic and I can bore the rest of the regulars with my tales of how I suffered during the pandemic.

Meanwhile before we get our wrists slapped by the mods for thread wandering:-


Has anyone been contacted yet and told to go into isolation?:D

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doubt it less someone said the sites gone down.:D

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I was on pay as you go as well....but it seems this means they can rob you blind if you don't use the phone periodically.....it now costs nothing.

I don't need a phone when I am out and about.

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my old mobile stays in the cars glove compartment. gets charged up occasionally and then i find i,ve no credit on it even though i have never used it. legal theft methinks. as for texting or txt as they call it its another job for her indoors on hers.

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I too have a steam driven, unsmart mobile that only gets used very infrequently. It has a PAYG sim from Vodaphone that has no expiry date for calls and texts. Haven’t put more than £20 worth of credit and it lasts for years.
If you are being sold time-limited contracts, maybe that occurs when you also want data?
If you only need your phone for calls and text, tell the salesperson that as most kids will simply assume you must want data.

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When my Ma was alive I twisted her arm to have a mobile phone.(her electric went off a few times which meant her dect phone did not work.)
It had a vodafone sim in it and I put £20 for her...she did not use this phone....she hated it could not hack it even though it was a 'Doro'...sold for oldies..big buttons simple to use.
because she did not use in in a six month period the money went to greedy vodafone.
I went into the shop and complained and they said that this was the only pay as you go sim that they sold.....I did manage to get £10 clawed back when I explained to the manager that this was for a 88year old lady for emergencies....it seems that a number of years ago you could buy a sim which had different terms and conditions...they could not steal the money...but now you have to make a call or the money is gone and your sim is deemed dormant.
Laughing all the way to the bank.

I will have a smart phone when it does the laundry,puts it on the line and brings it in if it starts raining....if it could iron it and put it away then that would be a huge bonus

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it does seem funny when the use that word Smart. phones, meters and cars. they seem to have one thing in common and it isn,t smart.

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I steer clear of anything that has the prefix 'smart'....it is aimed at those who are not smart.

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like the word gay, has the meaning of the word smart changed from my schooldays.

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You are absolutely correct, it isn't a smart phone, it is a highly useful hand held computer that can make phone calls.
It has more processing power than the computer that landed the first craft on the moon has far more uses than most owners and non owners can imagine.

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cant argue with that im useless with technology but i find out allsorts from this phone.its a damn site cleverer than me.:)

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Yes, that sums it up...it has more uses than we can imagine....soon it will be compulsory to own one....no the government won't be making it compulsory, but society will.

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This member of society won't, if you don't want to take advantage of the many useful apps and devices that can be used with this device that is fine but please, stop being so judgemental about something you obviously know nothing about.

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I know enough Less to know that I do not WANT one...but increasingly, to use services of banking, PayPal etc I am being coerced into needing one to access services that I need to use.
And that IS society.

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I don't mind you not wanting one as for banking etc can be done on normal P.C. no need for a 'smart' phone.

I cannot imagine you being coerced into getting anything you don't want.

Just a shame you have such a need to keep calling the device itself, I've been using them for over 10 years much better than my laptop.

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Less, to complete internet banking these days you either need a mobile phone(they prefer the smart phone) to verify your account.....PayPal are also now asking for a mobile phone number to verify your identity periodically.
Online purchases using a debit card or credit card also require this type of verification too.

You find that it serves your needs. I can think of no-one that would want to contact me if I was out and about....I do not feel the need to be connected to the internet all of the time.....for those who use them...I am sure they are a boon,(from what you tell me anyway).
Thanks, but no thanks.

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So, can we get back to slagging off Corona Virus?
:)

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Over to you then Less.

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Oh, Come on Less, I was taught from a young age that the female of the species knows everything about "Well", Everything. Back to the Corona virus. Sorry Ladies.;);)
Yours, the Luddite,

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and Taddy I am sure that has saved your bacon on many occasions...not that you nbelieved it...but you knew enough not to challenge that wisdom.
(No wonder you have had such a long marriage)

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Not only do they know everything about everything, the recall ability (of all your sins & misdemeanors) makes an elephant look like a major scatterbrain! :D

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Been Together for 57 year's and Married for 53 of them, so Marge, I cannot and would never fault your logic,I Must admit that I would be totally lost without the old girl.
Your's, Taddy

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I can see you getting a bit of flak from the ladies Dave but as the Sargeant Major in "It aint half hot mum", used to say, (Oh dear, how sad, never mind).
:hehetable, Taddy.

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Taddy, like you....we have been married for 53 years(54 if we both survive until October)
So it looks like we are both in it for the long haul...

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I certainly hope so Marge, all the best to you and your other half.

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the only ones that seem to want to contact me now is car insurance companies who want me to take out their policies after i changed companies yet again. at least its a change from energy companies who took over prom PPE and no win no fee boys. do not do internet banking and i find the best place for any mobile tracking divice{i mean phone** is actually in the glove compartment of the car locked in the garage.

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I must admit I really didn't want a "smart phone", my brick was ideal for my doings I could call folk, they me or on ocassion a text with details/address when vocal comms were difficult.



Since Feb last year I inherited a "smart phone" & it still gets pretty much used like my old brick (& that is still used & underway when I am), I don't do the banking thing on it but it does have other convenient uses which are ideal when I'm on tour, the routing is more up to date & accurate than a SatNav & the locating aspect is ideal for the fuel stations we have a card for, furthermore opening times & the likes of relevant firms/customers can also be ascertained which helps with punctual delivery.


There are other useful aspects to these things & now that I've got one I can see the benefits & advantages which I had previously waved off.

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same sorta thing happened to me dave, to be honest i wouldnt like to be without one now and once i was dead against em. mind in the main i blame stanley for that lol

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https://www.cumbriacrack.com/2020/04...id-19-victims/

What a wonderful thought, yes a memorial for those that have died because of the pandemic not just those of the NHS but for all victims, there are many other essential services that have had losses and even the victims that weren't part of an essential service deserve just as much recognition as the rest.

Everyone of the 'fallen' leaves friends and relatives that will miss them, rememberance mustn't be for a chosen few but for all.

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I’m sure we all remember the shelves being stripped bare by the pan(dem)ic lemmings just before the lockdown started. Well here is a bit more of the story which I’m sure nobody would have predicted at the time. Of course as the story progresses I will not be surprised to hear ‘its a planned restructuring that was all planned in advance and the timing is pure coincidence’.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...oilet-18326424

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Apparently if you visit hospital, are in hospital, or work in a hospital.....the rules are you must wear a mask AT ALL TIMES.....really?
Poor patients, poor staff....how will they go on at meal times?

This edict might have been useful at the start of the lockdown(though there is some who believe that the peak had already passed by the time lockdown started) but now?

And anyone wanting to get on a bus or train will have to wear a mask.....well, no....not a mask, but a face covering.
How does that prevent the spread of the virus?
The answers is it doesn't...but it makes it look like the powers that be are taking some decisive action.
Wearing a mask will not prevent you picking up the virus(it might even make you more likely to get it...people warring masks, face coverings touch their faces more frequently so may transfer the virus from hand to their mouth accidentally.

Once a mask or face covering becomes moist with exhaled breath, it makes it easier for bacteria and viruses to pass through it.

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again is this face covering all about london once again. is it another way to attempt to make travel on the tube especially seem safe. in my neck of the woods those on buses have gone from zero passengers to about 6 max. do not know what its like over the hill but cannot see it being much different.

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I found this article one of the most perceptive and, regrettably, worrying things I’ve read around the farce we are currently living through.
It doesn’t just apply to the alleged pandemic, but explains why we’re in the mess we are in.
I suspect most who have retired from work will recognise something in it.


https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/1...ny-of-process/

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You are right.
It shines a light on things that 'they'(whoever they are) would prefer to remain dark.

They want a population that is compliant and unquestioning....and it seems like they have got it.

' A lie does not become truth, a wrong does not become right, evil does not become good
Just because it is accepted by the majority' Booker T.Washington.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1241036]

They want a population that is compliant and unquestioning....and it seems like they have got it.

'not too sure margaret. we all deride social media at times but at least you get an alternative view. if all we had was the national media then we certainly would have a problem.

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The only social meadia I participate in in this forum.......I do not do Facebook, Twitter, instagram or any of the others.
But I can see that people are not going back to work....and those that can work from home are doing so......isn't that being processed, being compliant?
From Monday all those using hospitals and public transport will be wearing masks too.....isn't that compliant.
We have had ten and a bit weeks of being kept corralled in our homes...that was compliant too.
We are queueing outside shops waiting for the green light to come on.
We have stayed away from Doctors and dentists, even though in the long term this may be detrimental to our well being.
And now they tell us that if we had a common cold recently we could very well have immunity.
People may be railing against these restrictions(I know, I have. I have felt very resentful of having my spring stolen from me) and may have taken to social media to vent these feeling......it does not mean that they have not complied or been processed.
As for asking the questions...it does not matter one jot if you ask questions....if no one is answering then you get nowhere.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1241036]

They want a population that is compliant and unquestioning....and it seems like they have got it.

But not with me Marge, last week we had a visit from a Fire Brigade Officer, it seems that one of our "friendly" neighbourhood Busybodies, (I have an idea who)
has complained to our local authority about smoke coming from our chimney; I showed the guy that we only burn smokeless fuel but that we are allowed to use paper and wood to light it. (one up to Taddy).
The following day our eldest daughter rang to say that after visiting us and keeping to the lockdown rules a police car had been lying in wait as she left; he pulled her up because of a complaint probably from the same "neighbourhood busybody", that she had been breaking the lockdown rules. she was not fined but it did shake her up a bit.

In response I have printed out the following and intend to put it up in a prominent position out side the house which is on the main road though the village.

Quote, "To whom it may concern, On certain mornings if the weather gets cooler I may need to light my fire,this will result in the emission of smoke "there is no smoke without fire", as the saying goes.

Please feel free to contact the local authorities,(AGAIN),if you feel that the above action is against the law.

Also my relative(s) will be visiting and keeping to the two metre outdoor ruling during lockdown,please feel free to contact the local Constabulary, (AGAIN), if you cannot find something more important to complain about.
THANK YOU KINDLY.

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I cannot believe that people have so little to do that they can meddle in the lives of others.
That there are people in the community that feel snooping and reporting such incidents is their 'civil duty'.
But then, I have been critical of many of the actions that we were told that we had to do.
I read in one of the online newspapers that children do not need to be 2metres apart if they go back to school...that this was only advisory.
If that is the case then someone needs to tell the councils....I have acfriend who,is a teacher and they have done as much as possible to ensure the children of key workers know about social distancing and maintain it.

I sometimes wonder who gave the keys of the asylum to the lunatics.....or is that term banned too?

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It may not be banned but, I'm sure it is a reportable offence, expect a knock sometime in the early morning.

Now, which button do I press to post this anonymously?
:eek:

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PM me when you find it Less :)

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a dog is still a dog no matter what anyone wishes to call it.

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Where are we this ? Oh yes....
Germany - lockdown, low(ish) death rate
Sweden - No lockdown, high death rate
UK - Lockdown AND High Death Rate,

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That is......if you believe the statistics being bandied about.
No one really knows who is telling the truth.

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not to worry though. the law of averages say that eventually the statistics will be moved about to suit some of us in the end. trust no one only yourself.

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Possibly futile gesture, but I felt better signing this...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/315979

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signed, would like to contribute to the economy once more even if it's only buying a pint.

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I have signed it too.
I would also like to contribute to the recovery of the economy too.

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Done

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I will not be signing this because even though I have enjoyed a pint or three or more with my mates in local pubs for the past fifty years or more, I am not prepared to risk being infected with some "woke". (thank you Marge for the definition),idiot, by calling into my local boozer, which could end up with me and many more taking home and maybe giving the virus to my Family. Instead I am Prepared to attend to my allotment, talk to the many people who are passing whilst taking a stroll up the Coppice,come back home and sit with my missus, whilst partaking of a couple or three pints, (or more) of Hobgoblin.

Please, think about it, it is not rocket science to believe that this epidemic is now over with. I do have first hand knowledge of this when one of my best mates, a martial arts master and one of the fittest blokes you could ever meet, contacted Corvid 19, he is now just about managing to "shuffle" around with a zimmer frame. please, please, do not take this virus lightly.

Your's The enlightened Luddite.

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Taddy, you are entitled to your view.

Last weekend there were huge protests in many cities.
There was no social distancing.....and have there been increased incidences in the areas where these actions took place.....Not any that have been reported and believe me they would have been.

The shops opened on Monday....huge queues outside the likes of Primark and Ikea.
So how come all these people feel confident enough to go out and shop(and although attempts at social distancing are being promoted....I can't believe they are being maintained inside shops...it just is so impractical).

All these people go out and about...why can't they go to work?
Why can't we get U.K. PLC up on its feet and back in the game?

How long should there be this lockdown?
Until a mythical cure appears, or a vaccine is developed that will confer immunity with no ill effects?
By that time the economic effects will be so advanced and serious....meaning that our children and their children and possibly even their children as well will have had their futures trashed.

Pretty soon there will be no jobs to go back to if the lockdown is not lifted.

Life can never be without risk. Every day we get up we are exposed to a variety of risks.
How we manage the risks is paramount....but when the risk of consequences becomes greater than the risks of going about our daily doings....then something has to be done.

I want to get back to normal...proper normal.....and I would go out and about freely but taking responsibility for my own safety, by my own actions.

That is my reason for signing.

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if i was of working age i would have signed. being retired i feel as if i should leave it to workers to decide their futures.

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I must agree that those of a working age should be allowed to decide their own futures but having a mate nearly dying of the virus made me sit up and listen,those who think that this virus is a state sponsered con trick have obviously not known anyone who has been affected by it. As I stated in my last post, please, please, be aware that this virus is still out there.

Regards,Taddy.

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Professor Karol Sikora the eminent cancer specialist is saying that the statistics that are being bandied about may be over inflated to the tune of 50%.
This is because of the way deaths are registered.
Some deaths have not been actually caused by the virus, but the underlying causes that made the person susceptible in the first place.
So people have died with Covid -19 rather than from it.....and there is a difference.

If left to my own devices I would have gone out and about during the last three months, but taking sensible actions to protect myself.
I have resented being 'nannied' by the state.
During all of this time, both my husband and myself have taken Vitamin C(1 gram daily) and vitamin D(10 micrograms daily) this is something we do every winter to protect ourselves from winter viruses.
So I am not at all surprised that it was reported that these actions do confer some benefits in keeping your immune system in good shape.

Taddy, you do what you feel comfortable with, and if you believe and trust the scientists and want to follow their advice because you feel safer then so be it....but for heavens sake do not shut down the whole of the UK presuming it will be less risky.

Us oldies are the ones who are seen by the younger folk as a 'drain on society'.....we are feeders not breeders and as such could be seen as disposable.
These 'protective' actions have created irreparable damage to society, economically, educationally and socially and the Covid effect will have a detrimental effect on many people for decades to come.

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P.M.for you Cashy, if I have done it right that is, still trying to get the hang of this Private Messaging lark.
The Luddite.

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The "Younger" folk that you refer to Marge are in a minority, all the ones that I have talked to whilst on my allotment and they have been passing either on foot or on their bikes to take exercise on the coppice have not had a good word for all these "Woke", (thank you once again for the word), people that we see and hear about on the television.The Majority of people that I hear from are just like you and I and want everthing to return to pre Covid 19 days; if they ever do that is. Dont let this pendemic make you lose faith in the goodness of the populace.
I shall now book a soapbox on Hyde Park Corner in order to reiterate the above.
By heck, my English Literature skills seem to be improving, maybe Miss Crostons teaching has finally come to fruition but then again that is open to debate
Regards, the Luddite.

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Ha Ha, Maybe my English skills are not as good as I thought, the English Literature skills should probably have read English Language skills.

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I would never have mentioned it Taddy.
And as for being woke...that term really doesn't apply to the coronavirus situation(maybe my explanation was lacking in some way), but more to those situations such as Black Lives Matter(don't ALL lives matter?) and Climate change, the banning of songs, words, films pubications, atr and artefacts because they do not sit well with these people who will not only take offence...they will take the gate and the field as well if they think it makes them look aware(or woke).

Will there be room for me on that soapbox Taddy? I can feel the urge to 'tub-thump'

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Plenty of room for two little 70? year olds.

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That is what my birth documents read, but I am only 35 in my head.

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so am i when i go out on the pitch on a sunday morning. at the end of the game on a muddy pitch i know my documents are correct.

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I can still do what I could do when I was in my 20s except for running, (I have two artificial knee joints) everything just takes me a (lot) longer.

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the thing that takes much longer for me to do is to change my mind on subjects. with the woke brigade around it will not happen either any day soon.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1241167]I wouldn't bother - don't give them the oxygen of knowing they are getting up your nose just carry on burning. I was burning some wood - after cutting down some overhanging branches. Done it when the weather went a little colder...done it late at night.... had some 'neighbour' moan about it - same neighbour who jumps in his car to go 300 yds to buy a paper in the morning.... an occasional fire is nothing compared and most of those who moan turn out to be bloody hypocrites anyway.. they aren't worth your time and effort.

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[QUOTE=Jimmy Clitheroe;1241385]just do as i do, ignore em. the world is being totally taken over by hypocrites and the do as i say brigade.

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I look forward to the day when people on the news will be able to meet their guests live in the studio rather than talk to folk via a webcam.

Why?

Because I'm fed up looking up peoples noses it seems that the angle they place their cameras is perfect to focus on those errant and often bushy nasal hairs that have been allowed to grow wild during lock down.

https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/ieU...6-50-pro-2.jpg

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Less, do not mock those uncut nasal hairs....given a smear of Vicks,(or Vaseline)they are ideally placed sentinels to trap harmful bacteria and viruses.

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Does that mean if I let them grow wild I won't have to wear a stupid face mask?

O.K. I'll sign up for that.
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/s...jpg?1544891562

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If you have grown that kind of facial hair you won't need a stupid face mask....you would scare all the other shoppers away and have the shop to yourself.

On the issue of face masks....for them to be effective against you transmitting viruses/bacteria/infective agents, the mask has to fit closely to the contours of the face....so the bearded ones out there are still transmitting....but that is ok....the face mask is a visible sign that you are compliant and it makes it look like the government is doing 'something'.
It is not the right thing.....the right thing would have been to stop importing the virus into the country in February by making incoming passengers go through health checks and even making them quarantine for two week...or they get back on the plane that they landed on.

It makes no sense at all to allow people to go to the pub....no mask required, but twenty minutes shopping in Asda, social distancing, hand sanitising but you have to wear a useless mask.
Totally inconsistent, but then this is the blind leading the blind and impressionable.

The government have identified factories to produce five million masks per week....these are to be sold to the mugs who think that wearing a mask will protect them(and there are a lot of people who think that wearing a mask will do that)....they do not realise that it will only stop them from passing on bacteria....viruses may still be passed.....they are much smaller than bacteria.
And, once the mask is moist from exhaled air,it becomes a gateway to your respiratory system for all kinds of pathogens.

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Yes, well, this move to make them law will have a negative effect on me going shopping (after all in normal times it wasn't something I ever did for pleasure), they want me out there buying as much as I can from shops then make entering these establishments restrictive.

All through lock down I went out and did my shopping kept within guidance, but now I intend to do my shopping online which won't help the local economy at all, after all I'm free in the pub but as you say shops will no longer will be comfortable.

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Less, I am with you on this.
I did what was required during the lockdown.
I think that I went out for less than an hour every two weeks.
But I will not be wearing a mask to go into any shops.
If this had been implemented at the start of the pandemic that would have been different.
We were told by scientists at that time that masks had little or no value in curtailing the spread of infection.....so what has changed.
Was it that Nicola Sturgeon brought in mask wearing and Boris felt sidelined.....or is it just a knee jerk reaction?.
Whatever, I think this will be the nail in the coffin of shopping on the High street.
People who have shopped online will go back to that.
Shopping is joyless and has no pleasure in it at all....I never thought I would say that.

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if yeh try do it online less reckon you will struggle! we tried early days of this virus and was told we could have it in 2 weeks,nuts at our age but thats the way it was, so never bothered as starving wasnt on our list of to dos, instead i go very early morning before the chavs have got up.

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Cashy I think things have eased greatly since those early days.
Daughter did an online order this morning and it is coming tomorrow afternoon.

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Ordered stuff today getting it Sunday, which is fine.

Plus, going early won't work I still won't be wearing a mask.

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it happen depends who yer ordering off?

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It is the mask wearing that is the problem for me.
So as Less said, going early makes no difference.
My daughter orders from Iceland and Ocado.....she has had no problems getting her family groceries.

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its the complete stupidity of the mask situation that gets me. why this blanket face covering in all shops is beyond me. for people like us who have turned their backs on supermarkets for weeks now just cannot see the point in covering your face in the shop that allows only 2 people at a time into the place. before i go into self imposed house arrest next week i,m going to stock up as much dog food as i can and seeds of the birds. her in the kitchen intends also to do this with food and sod the best before dates even on toilet rolls.

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I have today, been speaking to the staff in shops and have been assured that if I can identify as having a problem that means wearing a face mask is not possible....I will not be required to wear one. You do not need confirmation from a doctor and you do not need to disclose your medical issue.
So I will be making myself a badge that tells everyone I am exempt....and I will take it from there.

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I think the mask situation has come about because early in the pandemic the NHS was ridiculously short of PPE, so to relieve the situation a little it was 'arranged' with 'experts' to say that face masks would be of little use to prevent Joe public dashing out and doing a toilet roll type panic buy.
Now the situation is nearer to a controlled disaster the Government has introduced a law that probably should have been brought in at the very beginning, but now for some it's too late, we just don't want to be restricted the way we have been without asking the question why?
My why? Is why introduce this law now but somehow I don't expect a clear and honest answer.

It may be adventurous but I think you should be careful about that or one morning mid constitutional the world falls apart on you and you are left covered in ....

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Ok Marge, you have a right to self expression as we all do. as you are an ex senior sister in the N.H.S. I think that the above comment is at the very least well out of line;please do not give the youngsters who think nothing of breaking the lockdown rules another excuse to do as they want. my wife has made masks for many vulnerable people and shewears them herself. when you were a ward sister you would expect your advice to be taken by the patients otherwise there be no point in giving the advice in the first place.
You may be well up on medical matters but remember that no one even you knows it all
Stay Masked, Stay Happy, Your's Taddy

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Taddy, you take me to task about my post...and that is your right to do that.
However, it does not change my opinion.

Please point me to the post where i tell you that i know it all....I would be very interested in reading it.

If you and your good lady feel safer in wearing a face covering then...do what makes you feel comfortable. and well done for supplying others that feel they need to do this to be comfortable

I do not feel comfortable wearing a mask for a number of reasons...may of which I have already expressed.
I am not asking anyone to follow my lead or do what I do....and I do not like you to think that this is my aim.

You mention that as a ward sister I would expect people to take my advice and that is true to an extent, but it was just that ADVICE....I was not in a position to force this on anyone.

I know that masks may make you feel safer but in reality they do not protect you from the germs/bacteria/micro-organisms that other people breathe out.
The masks that you can buy are unsuitable for the prevention of the spread of viruses(they are much smaller than other pathogens).
They may foster a deleuded sense of safety when in fact they actualy increase the risk of passing on bugs.....you may find that people touch their faces more, they may not handle the disposal of these correctly and contaminate their hands....but that is alright as you have used hand sanitiser..of course you have.

After fifteen minutes the average mask will be moist and loaded with your exhaled pathogens....which you will re-breathe...the moist mask will no longer be any kind of barrier to other pathogens in the air...so you will very likely be breathing on stuff that you would rather not...putting your respiratory system at risk.

I have observed the rules this far, when others have not. I object to being nannied by the state.
I take my health very seriously and do everything in my power to stay fit.

so thank you for your concern, but I will not be wearing a mask...

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Less..Blessed is he who expects nothing...he will never know disappointment.


There is money to be made out of the manufacture of masks...the government have identified factories to make 5 million of them per week so they have to have someone to sell them to...might profit be a motive too?
Just asking!

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have to say i agree 100% with taddy, if you encourge any young uns to ignore its too many. they are daft enough to start with many of em. best way to me would have been keep yer gob shut imho.

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that is OK Cashy, but I did not think I had that much influence.
How many young people do you think read this stuff?

I would hazard a guess at not many and how many would take one jot of notice...fewer still??
Cashy you know me...I tell it how I see it.
That does not mean you need to subscribe to my view of things...I feel that people should chew the information before they swallow it down whole....take the bones out.

There has been no consistency right from the start....how can it be safe to go sit in a pub?...no mask required...how safe can it be to be out for a restaurant meal?...again no mask required.....yet a short shopping visit with the precautions that have been taken since the 24th of March is now considered more hazardous.
This in spite of the falling levels of infections in many areas( well except Blackburn and Pendle...where other factors are at play)

Do you really think the government are concerned with our welfare? they are concerned only with covering their backsides...and an independent review will show(at some point in the future) that errors of judgement were made by those in high places...but will they carry the can? Of course they won't.

If they had any concerns for the safety of the general public, then on the 24th of March border regulations would have been put in place to prevent millions of people flying to this country with not a single health check...the virus was imported because they were inept in dealing with border issues.
They could find all this money to pay furlough, but they could not put in place regulations that would not permit travellers to land without considering where they had been, or where they had come from and making sure that they were safe by quarantining visitors.
You are going to tell me that this would have been too difficult to manage.....but things are going to get a lot harder and WE are going to be paying for these mistakes for a long time.

Legislation was brought in which means they can make any damn thing mandatory on a whim, with no debate.....does this not worry you? this authoritarian stance?
If your answer is 'No' then I worry for the country.

As for keeping my gob shut...well, What a damn boring life it would be if those who held different opinions kept their gobs shut.
My posts are measured and considered, they have thought put into them...but if this doesn't meet with everyones approval I cannot be responsible for how they are perceived.
Everyone is responsible for how they see their bit of the world...from where I sit it is a damn mess.

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it is a damn mess no doubt at all.but we will have to disagree on this margaret, there are quite a few of the younger generation read this that i know of, as for if they would take note, i have no idea, so to me therefore it aint a good thing.

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Wish you could persuade them not just to read but also to post.

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have mentioned to a couple they prefer facebook.

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I am sure my influence has the impact of a midge bite on the hide of an elephant.
The young people do not come here for views....well, so few as to be negligible.....and why would they take notice of what I post?

What I have posted is factual

There are people out there who are going to stay in their homes because they cannot face wearing a face covering.....it is in the press, easy to find, that if you have a medical condition, you need not wear a mask.
Many of these will not have access to the internet so I will not be influencing them....I am not influencing you....or Taddy.....so what is your beef?

Those who want to wear a mask can/will do so...if it makes them feel safer.

Cashy, as I said previously I do not post without thinking about what I am posting and I have given my rationale for my stance. I am honest in my posting.
I tell it like it is, but with moderation.

I can do no more than that.

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Having said all that Cashy...I respect your views....Taddy's also, so I will not be looking to leg you up if I see you out and about:)
I can live with our difference of opinion and hope that you can too.

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not a problem at all.

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Really glad about that Cashy(not that I thought you would be anything other than you always are)
You are a good egg!

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Here’s an alternative statistical view to the self-serving doomsayers of PHE and SAGE, which you will not see, hear, or read about anywhere in the MSM.

https://hectordrummond.com/2020/07/1...ropping-graph/

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i have always been of opinion that many deaths sad as they are are NOT COVID. ok they had it but they have put it down to covid for ease.it does to me save a lot of work and they were flat out.