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It is alleged that this new variant of the virus has Benn known of since September....so why wait until a few days before Christmas to mention it and bring in measures??
While is am at it...why have the figures for flu and pneumonia deaths disappeared from the ONS statistics.....are the flu and pneumonia figures being added to the virus stats to fluff them out a bit.

Isn’t all this very reminiscent of Project Fear?

There seems to be no end to this situation.....and at the rate vaccinations are going you will be in the same boat NEXT Christmas (350,000 people have received the first dose of the vaccine so far)
Matt Hancock over promises and under delivers.

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Come on Ma, as an ex-medical professional, surely you realize they've found the cure for those, but they're being very modest about it all & not crowing it from the rooftops .....





Oooohh, look a pretty pink, winged, piggy wiggy just flapped past my window! :D

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Yeah Bob...of course they have(not).
It all makes me very sceptical.....yes, I need a change of pills.

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it has been known about since september but they knew nothing at all about it, to me it would make sense to find out a bit first surely.

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Cashy, PHE supposedly knew about it....and as for the figure of 70% more infectious, that figure(according to a number of virologists...one of them in Germany) was plucked from thin air.
They have very little factual evidence that supports this claim and spewing out statistics without a frame of reference...like how many tests were done...how many were repeat tests....etc (you know the drill,)we have been here before...it is all a ploy to create more fear in the population and to get more people on board with a vaccine that they would like us all to have.

How can anything be called tier 4 if everyone is going to be in it....it is a lockdown and so far these have not worked.
The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same things and expecting different results.....and that criticism can certainly be applied in this situation.

But Instead of seeking a solution, they blame the people...easy target aren’t we?

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like i say they knew about but not how virulent or anything it was so why make things up just to satisfy some? to me they have to find out summat about it only way to do that as i see it is study when its running

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Cashy, the figures are bogus and mean nothing without any context....but they want the population to be too scared to do anything....and I mean anything......they want them to be holed up in their houses....house arrest for no crime.(for a virus that is 99.92% survivable without any vaccine.
And vaccinating those who have HAD Covid.....so will have their own immunity.....Why?
They say they do not know how long natural immunity lasts, but then they think that the vaccine only confers six months immunity....they do not know for sure.


I can see no hope, no end and only misery and health issues that are unrelated to the virus.
Cancer treatments missed, scans to check on cancer patients deferred. Appointments with surgeons cancelled numerous times.....and this is just my lass I am talking about....there are many more out there.

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They are feeding us BS.

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and many of these so called experts are talking it:rolleyes:

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You mean like Neil Ferguson...who was supposed to have quit(but was still involved in sub groups) his lucrative post for breaking lockdown to have a visit with his mistress....one rule for them.....and something different for us.
Oh...I forgot Covid is clever...it will avoid these who are making the rules for the minions to follow.

It is a control exercise

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i said many dont even know who ferguson is,dont care to be honest,theres experts on both sides that talk crap i can see it funny how some cannot.:rolleyes:

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its a situation where you pick the expert that suits your take on the subject. think a lot of people think this way and the other side only makes their own stance harder. if the BBC tells me one thing i,ll always do the other or at least get another opinion.

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So another vaccine is due to be rolled out, the okay has been given by UK Govt. for Oxford/Astra zeneca fo start jagging folk from 04 Jan 2021.



Irrespective of your personal views if I had to have a vaccine (which I think they will eventually force on to everyone with underhand tricks & backdoor tactics) I'd prefer it to be from these people.



https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...-tier-5-latest

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i have said that for ages dave but beggars cant be choosers, dont think they will force it on people though,

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they will indirectly. if you want to fly, go out of the country by other means, go to mass gatherings like the cinema or sports events it will be part of the conditions of entry. however the thing is a lot cannot wait for the vaccine to arrive but will they be as keen having it year after year when needed. like the present yearly flu jab i imagine lots had it originally but fell by the wayside for various reasons.

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I am normally an optimist and although I might sound pessimistic regarding the various Coronavirus vaccines in fact I am being a realist and taking a very cautious approach. I would very much like to think that the vaccines will prove to be most effective in beating the virus, but there are a number of points about the vaccine that worry me, some of which (but not all) are as follows:

(1) Although the vaccine will prevent a person getting ill it is possible that person might still carry the virus and be contagious to others after receiving it. Will being vaccinated give a sort of false sense of security in people – or will they do the right thing and continue to wear masks and practice social distancing where appropriate? I doubt it.
(2) As far as I can find out, the BNT vaccine in the UK and US has only received ‘emergency approval’ meaning that stage 3 trials have not been finished yet, but the authorities have decided that the demand is too great to wait. Is this really a good idea?
(3) Most studies show that there have been more safety problems in the past with drugs that have been fast-tracked by the FDA than with drugs approved by its usual process. Is there any guarantee this won’t apply with this very fast-tracked vaccine?
(4) No information is available about how long immunity will last and how common or severe any side effects will be, or even how often vaccinations will need to be administered.

Vaccinations will start here in Australia in March – our Prime Minister said that we have to be careful that we dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s to ensure the vaccine is safe. We will be waiting and watching, at least for any short-term effects, though this still won’t answer what any long-term effects might be – all eyes from here will be on the UK and US. I am still not inclined to hold out my arm for the jab - once jabbed you can't be un-jabbed.

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they have already started to move the goalposts on the pfiser vaccine putting back the second jab to get people the first. plus the information on the safeness you have after the the first vaccine you have has changed to a more positive protection. just trust these people less and less i,m afraid.

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Dorothy you have posed some interesting questions there.

1) not only are they not sure about the vaccination preventing transmission, they really cannot guarantee that it will stop you from getting it...but tell us that those who are vaccinated ‘get less sick’...so not much comfort there.
I think it will give a false sense of security and this is being fostered by the media hype to get people to have the jab...music to the ears of big Pharma.

2) Emergency approval of this vaccines really means that those who take the jab are used as unpaid guinea pigs for the Pharma companies...and not only that, if unexpected or unwanted side effects arise then the Pharma companies(who by the way are as rich as Croesus) have NO liability whatsoever.
And before anyone tells me that there is a government fund for vaccine damaged
individuals...yes, I DO know this.
I also know that is nigh impossible to squeeze this fund for any money. And that anyone who is not successful is usually left with a ginormous legal bill.

3) yes I concur with this...and even when drugs have gone through what we are told is rigorous testing, the big Pharma companies are only judged on their three best studies....any adverse events are usually buried...they do not have to publish results of ALL studies.

4) no information on the length of the immunity conferred is available....that is because they do not know....or if they do it has not been published because it is not in their(Pharma companies) interest.
If it is going to be needed every six months then we are in the brown smelly stuff.
A million first doses have been administered and the second doses have been deferred so that more first doses can be given....now how do we know if this delay will mean that the jab is less effective....seeing as the developers recommendations were for two doses, 21 days apart.
If this is what the drug company have worked on....and not a three month delay for a second dose...then this is a further worry(or it is for those who are worried about the vaccine anyway).

I had sort of retired from this thread....I felt that I had said all that I wanted to say...sometimes many times over.
I have only returned to put my own two pennorth to your post Dorothy.....and will now retreat into the shadows to watch and wait.
Like you, I am a thinking realist who wishes to take responsibility for my own actions, but I will not act to make the government of the day look good I will only act if what they propose is in my interests.
I do not expect anyone out there to be either influenced or to Change their views.
Everyone must make up their own minds using the information that is available...and read between the lines a bit too...because I do not feel that we are being fed the truth.

When things do not add up it is because truth had not been added to the equation.

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i smell a big rat somewhere in all this. the problem is that so many people just cannot wait to get vaccinated and the government know this. you hear it every minute. once we get vaccinated things will be fine. things have got like womens beauty products to some where many would put anything on their faces if endorsed by some celeb or another. was actually warming slightly to the idea of vaccination, but the recent goal post move has only underlined my previos stance on the idea.

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Pfizer Biontech did not test the vaccine for administration with such a long gap between doses, so really I think that would invalidate the emergency use authorisation as it is NOT being used in accordance with manufacturers guidelines or test results.

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Margaret, thank you for giving your thought-provoking comments to my concerns. There are certainly many questions that should be answered but information that we can trust is sadly lacking to my way of thinking.

I can’t understand why old people in nursing homes are being given the vaccine before it is being offered to the general public. Isn’t the idea of widespread vaccination intended to be to not only stop people from getting the virus but also to stop it spreading, so shouldn’t this be first offered to those who are out and about, mixing with others, with the hope this WILL stop the spread. Those old people in nursing homes sadly might be the most vulnerable but they don’t often mix with the wider community.

Sorry, but I really can’t understand the logic of this.

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Dorothy that is because there is neither sense nor logic in any of it.
The great Barrington debate has the right ideas in my opinion...and it is to shield the vulnerable and protect the younger members of society by getting them back to normal activities.
These lockdowns(and the one we are currently under is much like the very first lockdown) was instigated with maybe 8 hours notice.

We have now had lockdowns in various levels since the 23rd of March last year.....and they have not done very much.
The current situation with the NHS is a 'winter pressures and covid combined' situation.
I worked on a surgicla ward and every year at this time operations were cancelled and beds given over to medical patients with respiratory ailments...COPD, Bronchitis, pneumonia....and our full beds rarely made the news.

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A brilliant summary from Dr.Malcolm Kendrick.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/

Dotti, the cynic in me wonders whether the logic is that, if the vaccines are first given to occupants of care homes but then fail to protect or, worse, have serious side-effects, they (politicians, big pharma, and their stooge ‘scientists’) have a ready-made excuse.

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Exile, I really like the way this man can strip away all the BS...and cut to the chase.

We are seeing reports in the papers of hospitals being overwhelmed with Covid cases...is this because they are no longer collecting the stats for flu and pneumonia?
Also that some hospitals may have to resort to treating only covid patients...well from my perspective they have already been doing just that...if you have some long term illness that requires regular monitoring then it has been suspended or it has been an unsatisfactory telephone appointment.....how can a surgeon palpate an abdomen over the phone...even a video call does not allow for this.
Can anyone imagine how worrying this is for anyone who has been diagnosed with a life limiting condition, can be?

As for the care homes and vaccines, well it is clear that the powers that be thought these people were disposable when they sent elderly with covid back to care home without notifying staff.

I know that hindsight is 20/20 but anyone with only one functioning brain cell could tell you that this was not a good idea...but then a lot is spoken about the vulnerable, but not much done.

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Margaret and Exile, I am just hoping that what I am thinking in my cynical mind is possibly the reasoning regarding the elderly people being vaccinated before the masses are done is not really why this is being carried out. I hope it is done out of compassion and care and no other reason. Of course you would never get anyone to admit to it even if it was otherwise.

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The possibility of the second dose of vaccine being delayed for up to three months has been quashed by GPs.
They have said it is a betrayal of trust.....I am more concerned that they did not say that it was not within the guidelines of the manufacturers instructions....because it had NOT been tested within those parameters.
An even more worrying situation seems to be arising now....another untested, untrialled proposal.
That is that the Astra Zeneca vaccine and the Pfizer vaccine be mixed and matched.
Again this is using vaccines in a way that has not been tested.
The two vaccines are different....Pfizer’s is a Modified messenger RNA vaccine....Astra Zeneca is a recombinant vaccine......and again this is an unknown quantity.
This combination has not been tested for safety or for efficacy....so again the elderly population(disposable....non breeders, just feeders)are being drafted in a lab rats.

This situation does nothing to foster any kind of confidence in either government or the companies that produce the vaccines.
Don’t be surprised if it all ends in tiers(tears-you choose)
They said we could be out of this by Easter...they did not say which year!

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1248590]A brilliant summary from Dr.Malcolm Kendrick.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/

funny how a lot regard people like him as cranks where the ones that more or less follow the government line are experts. even ferguson still keeps gobbing off.

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Neil Ferguson has not been right about a single thing in the past. His computer modelling programs are suspect and he will not share them with other academics which has to be something of a worry....if you fail to demonstrate how you came up with the anser you got then maybe there is something funny afoot.

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its possible a cart before horse approach where he thinks up an answer he actually wants first and then bang in information to prove his answer. what gets me is that if he was an expert with the opposite approach he would have been outed as some sort of mad super crank before now.

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MH... you could be right there.
The real worry is he has never been keen to let other experts in the field(This in itself is unsusual as these academics are usually happy to share their information...they all want the kudos that successful data shows...ah but there's the rub...his data has not been correct in any single thing) see his data to analyse how his assumptions were reached...that has to be a red flag warning.

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The deputy Chief Medical Officer of Health(Jonathan Van Tham) has said in answer to a question.... 'Having the vaccine does not mean that pensioners can go wild, playing Bingo'
he has said that it is NOT known if this vaccine will prevent transmission of the virus.

What a trite and condescending comment from a man who is on the team which issues edicts about how we can conduct ourselves.
He talks like we are twelve and have not the brains to butter our own bread.
His comments take no account that we have been held in resrtictions of one sort or another since the 23rd of March last year...and that it is the majority of the older generations who are followinf the rules.

Does this man not know that places of entertainment have been closed down, that there is NO BINGO unless you live in a care home...that all social venues, pubs clubs theatre, classes have been severely curtailed.

Oh, but wait all of the efforts of these scientists have failed, so let's blame the population...they are an easy target.

It just shows the grasp that these people have on the real world...NONE

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Margaret,
You may have already seen it but there is a very good observation on what may lie behind Van Tam’s supercilious opinion, and on Loony Ferguson’s equally staggering comment that ‘they’ didn’t think they could “get away with” a full lockdown in the West like China did, on today’s Lockdown Sceptics web site. Scroll down to “van Tam’s Bingo Slip”.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/

It comes after a montage of NHS winter headlines from the past eight years - guess, what?
Even the Guardian seems to realise there’s something we are NOT being told.

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Valid point Ma & here is an article I've just read concerning the point you made.



https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...er-astrazeneca

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What a very interesting and insightful article.
What is happening with these lockdowns and restrictions is akin to a type of terrorism....keep the population guessing...soften them up by giving them a bit of freedom and then yank the choke chain to bring them back to heel....the best of it is Exile the population are in favour of it.....they want more and harder restrictions....it makes me ask myself if this is a kind of Stockholm syndrome where the captured grow to love their captors.....or are they just sheep who cannot do anything other than follow the lead sheep.

As for hospital being overwhelmed.
I retired from the NHS in 2002 and even way back then for at least ten years before I retired we stopped planned surgery so that we could take in medical patients and in 1999 the situation was dire enough for Male medical patients to be accommodated on a Gynaecology ward.....something that had never happened before.

There are NO Stats for flu and pneumonia on the ONS site......when these are the usual causes of death at this time of year....so it looks as if ANY respiratory admission is being deemed Covid whether it is or isn’t.

All to scare people into getting vaccinated.....will make million# for Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty who are both involved in companies that produce vaccines.......would that be a conflict of interest?

I am offended by the attitude of JVT.....he stereotypes pensioners as dumb, unintelligent people who are only interested in going to bingo.
I am one of these and I have never been in a bingo hall in my 73 years.
I have not been on a bus for nine months....I have not been to my yoga classes or to my UA3 talks....no library visits, no haircut, no swimming sessions...
I have stayed home....I have social distanced.....the only thing that I have done is visit my daughter because I am part of her support bubble ( a cancer patient)

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Yes, I have seen that article....but there are others out there where some ‘experts’ think that giving a mix and match version might work.
Note: they THINK....but do not know and are prepared to use the elderly and the vulnerable to test out their theories.......that it MIGHT work, because again no tests have been done on the mix and match plan.
And if it all goes horribly wrong well, so what, the test subjects were old and about to die anyway.....and best of all the drug companies have immunity.

I would have thought that ANY use of these vaccines that was not in accordance with the manufacturers guidelines(which will have been established as a result of the research) would invalidate their authorisation by the EMA for use on the population.

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I was horrified and dismayed at the snide comments made by that Van Tham person (as quoted by Margaret). How condescending his comments were – as if the older generation’s main interest in life and concern (and ability) is to have a game of Bingo – and very demeaning, as if that is all they are capable of doing.

Okay, so I don’t live in a Nursing Home and I don’t play Bingo, but I AM old (very old by some people’s standards) and I take offence at this comment. it might surprise that man to know that so many oldies (me included) actually fill our days with reasonably intelligent pastimes and pursuits, but if I enjoyed Bingo I would play it also. It certainly was an insult the way it was said.

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Jonathan Van Tham is now saying it is safe to leave 12 weeks between doses of the vaccine.....and he knows this HOW?(this is in order to give more people a first dose of a vaccine that is an unknown quantity)
The research from the manufacturers is based on a 21 day period between doses......AND interestingly (or not, depending on your point of view) they do not KNOW if it will stop transmission of the virus....and that is what they pin their hopes on.....neither do they know if it will protect you from the virus....you MAY still get it, but be less sick....but they are not sure.
They are not sure how long any immunity will last either.
But JVT says it is safe to have one dose followed by a three month gap.....why do I not feel reassured by his prognostications.

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one thing i do know is me and her in the kitchen will be back at bingo when we are allowed to do so. that must mean i actually know more than they do.

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after reading a bit more on this story about the reassurances from the Deputy MOH...JVT...it appears this decision is not his, but comes from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation....Jonathan Van Tham is just endorsing their recommendations.
I am not sure whether this makes the decision better or worse.

All I do know is that it will further erode the trust in what information we are being fed with.

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now I know I am a cynical old baggage, but this all smacks of a government box ticking exercise...nothing at all to do with protecting the elderly because the elderly are disposable...and suitable for use as lab rats(they have verly little other use).
The government want to be able to shout from all the popular MSM platforms...LOOK at US....we have vaccinated five million(or ten million or however many they think will impress)people....The Cavalry are here...come to Rescue you.

I do not trust any of it.

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Still being annoyed at the demeaning statement made by Van Tham, I thought I'd write a few lines of verse - not actually in the league of Browning or Burns, but am sharing it with you anyway.

The words that were uttered by the man called Van Tham
Shows that he knows nothing about me or of what I am
When I say ‘me’ I include people of age
Those who have lived through many a page
Pages of life’s happenings, of the good and the bad
Of those happy times and some that were sad
Our bodies might not be as they were before
Marathon running has gone out the door
But our brains are still ticking, intelligence strong
So Mr Van Tham you have it all wrong
Yes we play Bingo but I have to confess
It might surprise you to know some of us even play Chess.

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add to that its not us oldies that miss numbers at bingo its the young uns. plus i know of 2 well over 70 year olds that play 12 books at a time and non of the new fangled electronic ones either. your brain needs to be sponsored by gilette or wilkinsons to do that i assure you.

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Another politician’s promise...

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Oh Exile...please don't.
I am ready to put a shilling in the gas as it is.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity

I am at the bottom of a pit of despair....

Hopes are pinned on the vaccinations, but they do not know if the vaccine will prevent transmission....and they cannot be sure if it will prevent you from catching the virus...BUT...they THINK if you do catch the virus then it will be a milder form of the illness.
This for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.2%

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1248766]Oh Exile...please don't.
I am ready to put a shilling in the gas as it is.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity

I am at the bottom of a pit of despair....

Marge, I think that I may have said this before but never mind, all good things are worth repeating.
If ever you are in despair and you think that the bottom is falling out of your world, then drink three or four pints of Real Ale a day and the world will simply fall out of your bottom.
Stay happy, dont despair,we both hopefully have another decade or two left in us.(seriously).
Regards, Taddy.

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Taddy I am not an ale fan...more of a builders tea sort of girl(I use the term 'girl' loosely...we are all girls in our head)
I am just thoroughly fed up that I cannot jump on a bus and go somewhere for a change of scene.
What I wouldn't give to have a sit at the end of Southport pier, taking in great gulps of ozone.

Anyway, a shillings worth of gas would not put a budgie to sleep

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Wife to Husband...'Did I get fat during lockdown?

Husband to Wife 'You were never very skinny anyway'

Time of death 11;23 pm 26/03/2020.
Cause of death: Covid 19.

sorry peeps...just had to do it!...I know it isn't funny..not much is anymore

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i think its funny lol

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1248772
I am just thoroughly fed up that I cannot jump on a bus and go somewhere for a change of scene.
What I wouldn't give to have a sit at the end of Southport pier, taking in great gulps of ozone.

if you want to do it that bad then just do it. far safer on an empty bus and empty pier than your local supermarket. the problem arises when everyone decides to do the same thing but that aint going to happen. sod the local curtain twitching gestapo as well. if you are putting no one else in danger just do your thing.

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I have the Covid police resident in my house...my other half....he would be twitching like an undiagnosed epileptic if I said I was getting on a bus.

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Well, it is sort of..if you like black comedy....am I allowed to say that, or is it racist(do I look bothered to you.?)

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1248772]Taddy I am not an ale fan...more of a builders tea sort of girl(I use the term 'girl' loosely...we are all girls in our head)
I am just thoroughly fed up that I cannot jump on a bus and go somewhere for a change of scene.
What I wouldn't give to have a sit at the end of Southport pier, taking in great gulps of ozone.

Anyway, a shillings worth of gas would not put a budgie to sleep

I am in complete agreement with the above except that I would change the bit about taking in "great gulps of ozone" with great gulps of Hobgoblin whilst taking in the sea air. ;);)

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I think he is worried I might get it and snuff it...leaving him to deal with all of what that would entail.
Either that or he thinks I am not worth paying a fine for!

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[QUOTE=taddy;1248795]Whatever floats your boat Taddy...you could have myshare of the hobgoblin and I could have your share of the ozone.

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hey its getting really stupid now with the do-good idiots was watching tv this morning and Radox have had to remove the Radox for men from their product as its offensive pmsl thats how stupid and pathetic some people are, they apparently made it and thought women would not buy it cos the smell was not feminine but through idiots complaining they have removed the "For Men"every single one who was giving opinion on the prog thought it was ridiculous. why the media cannot highlight junk like this as such is ridiculous to me,

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OK, now back to serious stuff.
This is an enlightening and interesting read....not from mainstream media, but from a well respected scientific publication....though I fear it will not be to the taste of some members.

https://principia-scientific.com/bre...covid19-fraud/

This is not conspiracy theory stuff this is taken from official document which are (I think) required by law.
This stuff the government are NOT telling you.
Why might they be hiding this from the population...well, again you can draw your own conclusions as to the agenda...but I know what I think(bit do not wish to try to convert anyone to what are seen as conspiracy theories)
Have a nice read.

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just do not know why these things are conspiracy theories anyway. as long as i can remember there are people around that never had a bad cold but say they had flu. now due to some simalarity with the symtoms there coughs, colds and fevers have not just become flu, if that actually exists anymore, but have had the virus where death is knocking at their doors.

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Incredible read, Margaret. It beggars belief....
37 actual, medically certified Covid infections across in the final week of 2020!

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yes, so why are we being told that there are hundreds of deaths daily from the Covid infection.

The majority of these deaths will be from the usual respiratory disorders that are rife at this time of the year, but we are being allowed and encourged to assume that they are from the virus.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1248772]Taddy I am not an ale fan...more of a builders tea sort of girl(I use the term 'girl' loosely...we are all girls in our head)
I am just thoroughly fed up that I cannot jump on a bus and go somewhere for a change of scene.
What I wouldn't give to have a sit at the end of Southport pier, taking in great gulps of ozone.

I used to enjoy History at Woodnook, although funnily enough I can't remember the name of the Teacher. Anyway I was always told that ale was being brewed and quaffed over 5,000 years ago, Whilst Tea has only been brewed and quaffed since Sir Walter Raleigh, (the inventer of the Bicycle), brought it back from the Americas only 500 years ago.
With me being a traditionist and a Luddite, I will stick with the tried and tested 5,000 year old brew.
Regards, The real ale enthusiast and Luddite, Taddy.

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Had I lived back in those olden days I probably would have been in favour of Ale(it was drunk because it was safer than water) but as I do not live in those olden days I will stick to tea....it is much less likely to make me fall down(I cannot hold my alcohol these days) :)
You can have my share of the ale Taddy.
I think it was the dutch Clipper ships that brought us tea Taddy...I think Sir Walter was responsible for baccy and spuds.
It was Catherine de Braganza(Charles the II's wife) who made tea drinking fashionable omong the upper classes.....while the hoi polloi(that would be you and me) had to drinke ale because back then tea was too expensive.

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Easily sorted, put it on the table between quaffs! :D

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Son, you really made me chuckle with that one.
Listen old bones take a long time to heal....and I don’t need any falling down juice to help me fall over.
Taddy can have mine....that’s safer all round.

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wish at times i was still in the taddy club. miss my pints of mild but severe migrains prevent me i,m afraid. spirits and wine can go where the sun dont shine.

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i miss the odd pint or 2 also

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The comment about Sir Walter Raleigh,(the inventer of the bicycle) was meant as a joke but then again I presumed the folk reading it would realise that and yes, he was the bringer of spuds and Tobacco,(may have spelt that wrong). Marge, Can you remember the history teacher at Woodnook in the late fifties, early sixties ?

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I think that the Tea Clippers like the Cutty Sark and the (Thermopylia), I will stand to be corrected on the spelling of the second one; came much later, I shall have to research it. it will be something to do during lockdown.
Stay Home, Stay Happy, carry on posting. Regards, Mr Hob/gob.

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Yes...I knew it was a joke Taddy.
As for the history teacher......well Mrs Rawcliffe taught us history at one point, but I cannot remember who taught us later on.
I can remember a lot of the teachers Mr Gale(fat guy with glasses drove a white renault five)....Mrs Ashcroft taught music,Mrs Thompson taught religious instruction and lived opposite Oak hill park.....Mr Allen head teacher...aka Holy Joe, Mrs Whittaker taught sceince and PE and was married to Jim Bowen.
Miss Smart domestic science, Miss Atherton art. Mrs Shaw taught needlework.
Milton Suthers Maths(scared the bejasus out of me)
I am sure more will come to me when I stop trying to think of their names.

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Taddy here is some learning for you.
The Dutch East India company was founded in 1602.
This was just as Charles II wife(Catherine de Braganza) popularised tea drinking among the rich and famous.
The dutch East india Company based much of their trade on the importation of tea into europe in the early part of the 1600's because it was a lucrative trade.
They also traded in other items such as psices and took Europeans out to colonise India and the East.


This is seriously off topic, but far more interesting.

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You are right about Dutch ships bringing in our first tea, The two Tea Clippers that I mentioned did not start competing against each other until the late 19th, Early 20th Century. (what a wonderful thing this electronic Google machine is).

Sorry about going off topic, I never thought, could the history teacher have been Mr Wade?

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Yes I think you could be right there Taddy...I could see his face but could not remember his name.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1248863]The comment about Sir Walter Raleigh,(the inventer of the bicycle) was meant as a joke but then again I presumed the folk reading it would realise that

can imagine a lot of yougsters on facebook etc thinking your raleigh comment is actually correct. tell em Flash Gordon is a local sex pest and they,d agree.

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As mentioned on another thread, stuck in with covid & some people have far to much time on their hands ..... sigh! :D

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Priceless Son...really priceless.

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Glad you approve Ma, we need a giggle now & then amongst all the grayness, doom & gloom, just doing my bit to help assisted by my "associates & friends" who send me stuff, these are some of the printable ones mind! :D

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After watching tonights news, I am of the opinion that anyone,(anyone) who says that this covid 19 is a scam, A stitch up,a world ploy, either thinks that they know more than they do, or they have a death wish; I am not and have never been a God Botherer but please, for Gods sake, obey the rules. If this comment conveys the fact that I am more than worried for my missus and I, then the comment is true.
Yes, this message comes from an old, (sorry), Mature, Luddite.

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Stay Safe Taddy and Hazel.....look after each other.....please do not live scared.

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just use your common sense. most of the rules are just that. its how some are twisted by some where the problem lies. i know its not easy to forget things like those having a coffee outside is only a sandwich short of a picnic and discussing what local really means. in the wider picture it doen,t really matter.

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Do not lose sight of the fact that most people will survive this Taddy.
You have to put some perspective on things.
The only things you can influence are the things that YOU two do to stay Safe.....and if you are doing these, then you can do no more.
What other people do, is their business...and I mean that most respectfully.

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yeh but do most elderly people that get it survive? cos i have doubts about that which is the real question to me, i think most elderly folk take notice of the precautions?

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Cashy, a lot of the elderly that I know have been doing the right things.....there are a couple in our street who go out maybe once a week....the rest of the time their family bring them things that they need.
There are reports of elderly people surviving...in fact in one report today a lady of 101 has had Covid twice, recovered and says she feels better than ever.

As I have previously noted, up until recently I knew of no one that had had the illness, but lots who had tested positive with no illness.....so I cannot comment.

Statistically, over 99% of people will recover well.
There is some suggestion that those who do recover well may have been exposed to other Coronaviruses in their past (remember the common cold is a Coronavirus).
Further information is that natural immunity last five months longer than the jab.

Another interesting fact is that camelids have a natural immunity to all Coronaviruses and scientists are looking into this to see if they can adapt the immunity of llamas, camel and alpacas to human form.
I know...I know....I read too much.

Another interesting fact is that people who are scared have lower levels of immunity.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;

Another interesting fact is that camelids have a natural immunity to all Coronaviruses and scientists are looking into this to see if they can adapt the immunity of llamas, camel and alpacas to human form.
I know...I know....I read too much.

What a cracking idea, I could fill the hump on my back with Hobgoblin, it would save having to use a bottle opener, please let me know when the (Camel) jab is available Marge.:D:D

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oh Taddy...you do make me smile....a hump full of hobgoblin might out you off your legs though...so are you sure you want to know?

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That's because they're evil, sly, smelly B'stards that'll spit in your eye as soon as look at you, the original Humpy no mates, no wonder they don't catch it, they ain't social & their social distancing is the distance they can spit! :D

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alpaca's are part of this animal group and they are beautiful...vicuna are too.....maybe they learned their spitting from footballers.

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Don't think the evil beasts are over keen on footy, more likely their camel jockey owners. :D

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along with cats these are the only animals i find it hard to like. given up on a lot of the human race years ago.

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try to avoid as many news items as possible, especially anything the BBC propaganda machine dishes out as our daily dose of panic.

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I have not watched the news on any channel for ten months.

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Today Boris has announced that from 4am Monday morning our borders will be closed.
By then it will have been 301 days since he closed down the country(but loonily left borders open)....all I can say is ‘What took you so long’.....if he had done this at the outset we would be in a very different place right now.
(But yet this calamity is ‘our fault’)
I despair, truly I do!

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i agree should have been done sooner but at the start to me was crazy, there was 100s of schoolchildren on ski hols in italy for a start as well as many others away on holiday,etc, they to me could not be abandoned like that surely.?

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I wonder if - if I built 30 snowmen in the garden at the weekend (when we get the snow) and then get some decks out and play dance music with some lights.. (just me and 30 snowmen) will I get a visit from the plod telling me I have broken covid restrictions?

lol

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I am not suggesting that they should have been abandoned, but that they should have been put into Quarantine for two weeks like those who came in off a cruise and were immediately transported to Arrowe Park where they stayed until it was clear that they had not brought in any infection.
I am sure that there could have been enough facilities commandeered for this to happen,
But to wait until the third lockdown and 300+ days into a pandemic is just plain lunacy.

I have said this from the very start, and other major mistakes were made too.

Simple common sense strategies that could have helped prevent transmission were not employed.
Yes, Cashy....this was an unprecedented event, but I am not brainy, but way way back I could see things that were glaringly obvious....so why could these Elton educated men, university professors and the like, not see these things too?

It is like when we are told of the daily death toll....no one has asked if these are deaths in addition to the normal deaths that occur every single day of every single year.
So it occurs to me that they do not want us to know what the true figures are....because they want to exert more pressure, more fear on the population.
We are given figures with no real frame of reference...this makes it sound as if all the current deaths are as a result of the virus....when in actual fact this is the time of year when seasonal flu and pneumonia claim many lives.

Speaking of seasonal flu....the PCR test does not discriminate between Covid and flu.
So some of the positive tests may be from seasonal flu rather than Covid, because the only way to truly determine whether you have had/got Covid is an antibody test....where a specimen of blood is required.

Covid is, without doubt, for some people a very serious infection, but for some it will be similar to the seasonal illnesses that come around every year.
This year because of limited contact with others, our immune systems are very likely to be less effective in coping with whatever is doing the rounds.

So do what you feel comfortable with, to protect yourself....but keep a sense of perspective.

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[QUOTE=RainbowSix;1249150]I wonder if - if I built 30 snowmen in the garden at the weekend (when we get the snow) and then get some decks out and play dance music with some lights.. (just me and 30 snowmen) will I get a visit from the plod telling me I have broken covid restrictions?

they would if you constantly keep calling them snowmen and not snowpeople and your lights could also mean the end for the planet. covid and climate change denier, they,ll throw away the keys.

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not abandoned, but if i remember correctly the virus was bad over there at the time so the opportunity to go there should not have been allowed in the first place.

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you have not missed a thing. its same every day with the same type of people on it giving all the same handpicked views.

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I know that I have missed nothing because people keep telling me.....and I do try to find other news in online sources....we also get a daily paper(someone likes to keep abreast of sports results)...so there really is no escape.

The glum Chris Whitty also keeps popping up between TV programmes to frighten the children to death.

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imagine him and his old mate cummings doing a good old comedy stand up routine. more facial expression than a pair of death masks.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1249174]I know that I have missed nothing because people keep telling me.....

then you get what i,ve had this morning with someone who works in the news industry having a dig at me on another platform for being a critic of the media and its frightening the population. even the deny of the death being at our door statement now. i,m in the media so i should know arrogant attitude again.

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i do, but in the early days of this virus no scientist or health specialist knew enough about it to deal with it in my view,so how you did is totally beyond me,