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Less...did I say I was referring to you?
As to being report blind..well yes..I get that too. Maybe this is because much of the stuff we are being fed does not add up.

But this Information has been available for a good while(though a lot of it has been suppressed..or not discussed...sort of cancelled)..I have posted links to such stuff earlier in this thread...articles that were of scholarly interest.

The most 'interesting' angle is Enhanced Antibody Response...I you did wish to learn about this there are plenty of articles out there and I know that you could find them if you had a mind to...oh but wait...not suitable as you are report blind.

It is our responsibility to look after our own heath in whatever way we feel is right for us.

That means finding out as much as we possibly can about the issues which might affect us in the future,,,if we do not do this how can we accept that we have done something about which we are fully informed?
Like you I neither know nor care who has had what jab..or how many jabs they have had.

While this information is irrelevant to you (you have already made your choice...and I think that probably goes for the majority of posters on here too) the information might be of interest to others who might just want to know a bit more about what they have--or are going to sign up to.

No you are definitely not a horse.

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i got my booster jab last week ...

my nephew and his baby son 8months old have tested positive for covid earlier on this week ..

sent a text message to my nephew asking how he was and baby . .and said when hes 21 and he asks what did i do on my 1st christmas dad? Well son you had covid .. Whats covid Dad? ....

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Jen, I hope they are both ok and recover soon.

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MH I am one of those people who eventually had the jabs, only two jabs so far, but it was not a decisions taken lightly. It did not come easy to me as I have been concerned about it from the start. I did not have this to shut up the general public, their opinion means nothing to me, I did it for my family’s sake as I knew they were worrying about this stubborn old woman when i told them I was against having it. I did roll up my sleeve eventually just to stop them worrying, and now I can forget about it.
If it had not been for them I would not have bothered. I certainly do not go around telling people I have been jabbed, and it definitely hasn’t made me feel protected in any way.

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I've had 2, the 2nd kicks in fully today, it was not something I wanted or had a desire to accept, but the Germans have form for putting folk under duress & that was the reason I had to have the jags. Many firms won't let you onto their yard, delivering or not unless you've been jabbed, so I couldn't fulfill my job obligations which then puts me & my boss in an awkward situation.

Furthermore, there are some places that are slowly becoming reminiscent of 1930's Germany, a very dark era in this countrys history, so that is why the politicoes are hesitant to introduce compulsory jabs, that being said, a new government is now in power & their attitudes differ from the old one & as such the demands are becoming more strident for "Impfung" & "Papiers". those without are being gradually ostracized & not even subtlely at that.

Most of the "Weihnachts Markts", which are a very important cultural aspect of German life have been shut down this year, same as last year, those that managed to stay open did so with stringent rules & conditions, those allowed entry were issued a ""Bandchen" (braclet) to highlight their conformity, those without remained excluded, there was even "Security" at the access gates, not as you'd hope to keep out the "Imri's" of this world & other such undesirables, oh no! Their purpose to control the "Unclean" & non muzzled.


Tis become a funny old World & that's just in my little part of it.

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I got a 'phone call the other day from a young man saying he represented my doctors surgery.
Unfortunately for him he rang at just the wrong moment.

I hate cold calling and now my doctor is doing it!

It's like this you see, I smoke, yes, I know it isn't good for me but I am addicted and will be for the rest of my life, anyhow I had just left the warm comfort of the pub to go to the smoking area and was cursing the smoking ban once more when my mobile rang.

'Hello, I'm ringing on behalf of your doctors surgery' said this cheerful youth, 'I see from your records you smoke, would you like to give up?' I didn't question the fact that my doctor seems to have broken confidentiality by allowing this lad access to my files, I was wet and cold and wanted to end this call quickly.

My reply was a sharp, 'no'.
He then went on to tell me (what I already know) that smoking increases my chances of cancer and it would be best etc.
I cut him short, 'but I'm not going to die of cancer'.
HE 'how do you know?.
'well', I replied 'I may get cancer, in which case I will no doubt be sent to hospital, there according to statistics I have more chance of catching covid, if I then die within 30 days of a positive test I won't have died of cancer but I'll have died of a covid related disease, so thank you, but, no thank you, I don't want to give up smoking there is no point' .:joint:

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think you could be in a minority in this respect though. even before covid ever hit us there was so many who seemed permanent residents in doctots surgeries who always from them had health problems. these would have been first in the queue like they are getting up to dance first at any opportunity.

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More COVID news from Australia for anyone who is interested (and for anyone who is not interested as well, sorry about that). 400 people who were tested on 22nd/23rd December in Sydney were told they were negative late on Christmas Day, so they went about their business, enjoying themselves, feeling free to do so. Unfortunately they had been given the wrong information and were in fact positive. They got this correct information during the afternoon of Sunday……imagine how many people they had been in contact with while thinking they were negative,….and then those people had contacts and then those people, and so on. The mistake has been blamed on human error…irrespective of how it happened, it happened, and it is definitely not a confidence booster……

In different States here many of the original restrictions are reappearing because of more and more cases, although not the lockdowns, well not as yet but who knows…..I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, in my opinion those in charge do not know what to do or how to do it. Restrictions and rules are changed often and we are continually chasing the tail of the virus instead of getting ahead of it. It seems as bad, if not worse, than it was in the beginning. Amongst those catching the virus there seems to be a mixture of the jabbed as well as the unjabbed, and although we ae told that a jabbed person with the virus would not be as ill as an unjabbed one that is not always the case.

Here in South Australia, where a couple of weeks ago we were almost without restrictions, we are now back to only 10 people at a gathering in a house, restrictions on hospitality again, and so on. No end in sight.

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Interesting statistics released from official sources that will, I suspect, never be reported on by the main stream manipulators…

https://dailysceptic.org/2021/12/27/...lming-the-nhs/

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very interesting stats they are imho.

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Yes, they are…and not only that they are contextualised….which means they are more transparent and easier to interpret.
This has never been about the virus…or the health of the population…..we never saw announcements of stats for the winter flu epidemics….and there were as many deaths in these((in some cases more deaths).
This has been about control and nudge politics with a heap of social engineering thrown into the mix fir good measure.

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you may be assuming those who run us are that clever. i aint.

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They think we are idiots Cashy

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thats the reason they are margaret,;)

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Yes Cashy…the difference is they hold the trump cards…meaning they can do what the hell they like.
On reflection, I think the government are more rogues than fools…they know very well that they have us by the short and curlies….and can impose their will, at will.

It is being rumoured the Chris Whitty is going to be knighted in the NY honours list.

I read a comment in the popular press praising him, saying that he is just the ‘messenger’.

This person clearly does not understand that he has been one of the driving forces in the governments SAGE group……it is not enough that he has become a very rich man on the back of this catastrophic handling of a situation…or that he has a vested interest in the jabbing of the population(even though it does not prevent you from getting this infection).
So in my estimation these honours should go to people who were on the front line.
But then it was ever thus.

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the interesting one is about those who swerve the jab. does not seem popular in the asian community which includes many doctors and nurses. it does make you wonder then their reasons for non conpliance or is it advice from people in their community that know more than them.

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There are doctors who have expressed concerns about the jab…
Their concerns have been sidelined and the MSM have been complicit in reporting only the party line.
See my post 2291….this is from a respected journal and it outlines the concerns of the Doctor who developed the mRNA process.
Now if he is having issues about the use of this, then should that worry you.
I thought this was a very interesting article…..with links to Pubmed and the BMJ….not exactly Facebook or other social media are they?
I also get twitched that much of the information regarding the safety of this jab and the ineffectual use of masks has been removed from our view.
I saved the videos, but I now get only a black screen with the message that the video is no longer available in my region.
Removing information done by other scientists is a distortion of information.
How can you make an informed choice if half of the information is hidden from the public domain.

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so it really boils down to a 2021 version of 1930,s book burning in germany. one line and one line only. if the medical proffesion was overstaffed they would probebly get warned of their future conduct.

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Well, that is coming in April.
Any staff not jabbed will lose their jobs.
The ones who will go will be the front line staff…those who make the most difference to the daily care delivery.

If I were still working and was given this ultimatum….I would walk.
The question then is how do you replace the experienced people…?
Yes…you might be able to bring in people from overseas, but they will not know what the consultants likes and dislikes are….they will not understand the idioms, the local language.
Yes, eventually they will learn these things, but that takes time

It is very short sighted to lose staff for being reluctant to have a jab(or multiples) that does not stop transmission or stop you getting it.
(Many of these staff will have built up their own robust antibodies during the earlier days of the pandemic)

And for those who tell me that this will result in milder illness…it still means that for at least seven days these staff will be missing from duty….and this may happen more than once to each person

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Work experience and volunteers, maybe they won't be able to care for or heal patients as well as the professionals but, they do work a damned sight cheaper.
:eek:

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Do such mythical beings still exist in UK?

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Oh aye, why pay a worker with 20 years experience the going rate when he can be replaced by a youf on work experience at a fraction of the cost?

Plus, using accy town centre as an example the booming and freeloading charity shops (which operate rates free) wouldn't dream of paying for a shop assistant when they can get an 80 year old grandma with a blue rinse to do it for nowt by volunteering to help them make their millions, (don't forget, registered charities only have use 5% of their monies for their 'good causes' the rest can be claimed in administration fees).

So why not run the NHS in a similar fashion?
:confused:

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Wasn't aware of that little nugget, I knew they were given some leeway, but that is extreme to say the least.

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certain scientists only want their point of view aired is what that is. COMPLETE ******* they are imho.

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Yes, you are right Less, but I reckon that there will be few who want to wipe up sick….or clean bottoms….or change bloodied and soiled beds.
They might be alright dealing with flowers, making tea….handing out biscuits…..but the stuff that is needed, they will not be able to do it or maybe they won’t want to do it.
It is definitely a bit more challenging than putting jumpers on hangers pricing books and taking money.

At the very start of this situation I was going to offer to work on the wards…..looking after patients….taking them for a bath, helping with making beds….in fact anything that made a difference.
But my daughter falls into the category of the vulnerable….having had chemo, her immune system is not the best…..so I was dissuaded.
A nurse is always a nurse.
And I would have done it for free….and my payment would have been the satisfaction of helping.

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Indeed it is.

One odd thing though, when I was claiming the dole once, the advisor told me that if I wanted to volunteer to help a charity this wouldn't be held against me and I could still claim full benefits, he seemed a little put out when I said no chance, so far as I'm concerned voluntary work is done on top of a full time job not instead of and until I was working charities could and probably would survive without me.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1261873]Well, that is coming in April.
Any staff not jabbed will lose their jobs.
The ones who will go will be the front line staff…those who make the most difference to the daily care delivery.

or a good possibility that some may use this as an excuse to get out of the job after 2 years of hell. pity they cannot cull the non ward staff and the middle management at the same time.

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bet that your only experiance on the dole was similar to mine. be on your case a lot more than the scruffy unwashed brigade with a couple of kids and a partner of a similar breed stood outside waiting for em. these used to be in seconds whilst i in my late 50,s got the fortnightly 3rd degree.

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There are quite a few who have already taken that option of getting out of the NHS.

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Where's Brother Rishi disappeared to?

They've keeping everything open, for the sake of the economy. Only they've had 12 months to try and get a gripp. As per infighting, we suffer. Come January we will see the strain of their incompetence.

Too much has been so messed up, throwing money at crap they know nowt about. Panicking everyone on media hype.

I have lung cancer, 5 positive 5 negative tests, and a shed loads of months in hospitals.

How hard is it to just wear a mask, and use sanitiser? Your protection ain't just for you.

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^ I'm in the belief, the jabs aren't as effective as we aee being told. Come January.... when it all goes 2020 again. Well I hope you had a good time.

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[QUOTE=odders;1261955]^ I'm in the belief, the jabs aren't as effective as we aee being told.

they will be eventually after more research and the 10th booster. did anyone really think they would be the magic bullet to end the virus anyway.

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and honestly who can really blame them. even pre virus with the number of assaults they got that would have been enough to finish some.

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This is not going away, it will stay with us for a long time yet, every few months a new variant to keep the cowed suppressed & the govt the chance to turn the screw.


The sooner this is accepted the sooner folk can get on with their lives, it needs treating like flu. No mass lockdowns & restrictions, no shutting our shops & firms or sending folk home just go about life as normal, those susceptible need a jab (but the choice should be theirs) the rest of us should be allowed to carry on as normal.

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I will drink to that.
As to Masks…they are useless Odders, but if you feel that you want to wear one…if it makes you feel more secure, then go for it.

I have not worn a mask, nor do I intend to wear one.(I am exempt for medical reasons)
It is not being selfish, it is following the science……which has by and large been removed from your view.

I can see jabs going on forever…..and they do not seem to be doing the job of a vaccine……but I have been saying this from the outset.

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i think they will find summat that does the job, it was all rush at the start of this cos they had no cure at all imho. all the moaners were saying they found it too quickly.

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Like I mentioned earlier, along comes the next 'un ....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1543223


Admittedly it is at the moment only in Israel & they have an extremely high level of jabbed citizenry, but you can bet it won't be long before it hits europe & the UK.


Yeah, Happy New Year folks!

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They may not need to(except that this will severely limit the ability to control the population), it looks like anyone who gets the Omicron will be immune to the more severe Delta variant...or that is what scientists are saying right now.


It is time we stopped putting life on hold....this is not a dress rehearsal...and you only get one shot at life.
I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1261962]possibly the fools? it may well come in time who knows?

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What I should have said, upon going in a shop I put a mask on. it's still the law. In general when I do get out. I never wear one.

When they realise that this has happened throughout our time. The panic wasn't needed to the extent of shutting down the globe for 2 years.

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:
What I should have said, upon going in a shop I put a mask on. it's still the law. In general when I do get out. I never wear one.

When they realise that this has happened throughout our time. The panic wasn't needed to the extent of shutting down the globe for 2 years....

I will drink to that:cheers:

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well i was one of your moaners who said they found it too quickly. even a BBC pet scientist in late september said that a vaccine would not be available till next easter. then by a miracle it was found quickly. far to conveniant for me.

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Flurona. i give up. i,m sure aldi used to sell it as a cheap margarine.

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the point was to me the fact it was made and safe to use.when yeh got nothing at all owt safe will do imho.

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No Cashy, it might be the first port in a storm, but calm seas never made good sailors.

We do not know it is safe….and pfizer have made sure that most of us that have been affected by this infection will be long dead by the time the data about this jab is available to see….it is not going to be released until 2096.
Why might that be then?
And the third stage trials do not complete until the middle of next year….then they will go on to the fourth stage….which is looking at the long term consequences of this treatment.
This jab was sanctioned under Emergency licence conditions….so that in itself should tell you something.
We may find out in the future…when you and I are worm food, that there are more consequences than we were told.
Yes, I know that this matters not one jot to you….but would you be advocating giving it to young children and teens?
Those who have their whole lives ahead of them…..?
I know that I wouldn’t.
And for those who tell me that vaccines defeated polio…smallpox and all the other things they vaccinate against….yes, those did eliminate those diseases….but that was because these diseases were prevented from being caught…and so transmission was prevented…if you don’t catch it…you can’t pass it on.

This jab does not fit the criteria of a vaccine,
Messenger RNA has never ever been used on humans before…..so the consequences for the future cannot be ascertained for many years.
When they are, there will be no redress because the Pharma companies have protection against litigation….forever.

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you think that fair enough i think differently. theres more think its safe than otherwise i think.

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‘Think’ being the operative word Cashy….and this is because the government and those around the world with money in big Pharma want you to think.
I have held these views from the start….and nothing has happened that makes me think these views are false.
But of course, you are right to hold your own views…..and they are not going to be the same as mine…I can live with that.

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Just had a dream last night.

I was talking to somebody about the Corona situation, and he asked me if I have been vaccinated, I said yes, then he asked me why, I replied by telling him about the things that you can’t do when you aren’t vaccinated like:

- Swimming in the local indoor pool
- Going into a restaurant for a meal
- Going into a pub for a drink
- Etc. etc.
Bear in mind, that this is the case for Switzerland at the moment!

So I then told him that the government should have a new advertising slogan for getting vaccinated, which goes like this:

“Vaccinate or Hibernate” © Philip Kenyon Stein am Rhein Switzerland ��

Cheers & stay healthy in 2022

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I believe it's the same in Austria & Germany, with possibly more restrictions coming to Germany if things don't buck up in the near future.


ps Phil, I drove past your place a few years back doing the touristy thing. ;)

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No, that is not the answer…we have to allowed to get on with our lives….to live alongside something that will grow weaker as it mutates and that we will have effective antibodies to.

Hibernating does not make it go away….and you are just as likely to contract this infection from someone who is jabbed.
The jabbed are just as likely to pass it on as the unjabbed.
Those who are unjabbed pose no more danger than those who rolled their sleeves up.
How many of these are you prepared to accept?

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tell that to the organisers of a lunch club in denholme we regularly used to attend on a tuesday but stopped going as we were told to sit at the back on a table of our own. wanted to go back with a yellow star on my lapel but her in the kitchen would not let me.

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That just proves what idiots there are in the world!

Anyhow, would you really want to keep the company of such narrow minded people?

Reminds me of heads up their arses syndrome.

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or just a case of the media brainwashing campaign really working as the same ones moan about lack of medical treatment for stuff they have actually got.

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It is the media(worldwide) that is the virus….and you cannot take a paracetamol to make it go away.

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As one wise person said in another thread and I think it applies here.

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Less, for myself I watch very few of the news bulletins….I read the mainstream papers online, but I also read other sources too.
So it is the media who are brainwashing the population….mainly BECAUSE they do not turn it off.
As soon as any new or current affairs program appears himself switches channels.

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Might not need to MH if this idea becomes widely adopted.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...ccine-passport

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Oh….well…..I can see this taking off.

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Well I'm all for modern tech & I have nothing against the jab, this though is going too far.
Having a chip inserted into your arm for the convenience of hairy arsed bouncers that want to check you in somewhere, no thanks.
I see no reason for part or even all of my medical records to be readily available to anyone but doctors and their staff. I could see the chip being useful if say I had an accident, was unable to speak and it gave the docs my name and nhs number so that they could look up my medical record as needed, not in the forearm though somewhere less convenient, no ding, not there, I was thinking more about being buried nicely in the armpit out of the way.
we don't need a covid passport just common sense all round.

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Less…I am getting worried about you.
How do you know that the bouncers have hairy bottoms?

No, no…please don’t tell me…I cannot do with that picture in my head

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I don’t need to tell you where I think they should shove these micro chips…….but the bouncers would need a private room and a stainless steel cod piece to check it out.

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so we can discount the big toe chip now,

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think the book 2084 could be a good read.

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Margaret, it's a common fact, all neanderthal's have hairy arses and somehow the only job left for this breed seems to be bouncer.



https://i.imgflip.com/4mgj4u.jpg

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Thank goodness for that Less…..I am glad you did not find out through personal observation.

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More shambles here…children between 5 and 11 are eligible for the jab from today, so thousands have booked in. Big push and much publicity extolling the importance to have the children jabbed as soon as possible. Slight problem with that - there just aren’t enough jabs to go round (and in some cases not enough staff to administer them) and so children are being turned away, even those with bookings.

I honestly despair of those running this country……

…and I’m not going to go into the debacle about a certain tennis player, will keep my thoughts to myself. Even what should be reliable technology went haywire during the court case today, how pathetic is that…and didn’t we all know what the outcome would be. Has cost the Australian taxpayer a lot of money. Wonder what the next round will bring as it’s not actually over until the Minister for Immigration and Whatever has put in his two bobs worth.

Wonder if anything will be done about those refugees in that hotel now that their cases have been highlighted. Don’t hold your breath, they’re not famous sportspeople.

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Dorothy, it is a big farce and it comes down to someone in Government telling Tennis Australia that anyone who has had the infection in the last six months does not need to be double jabbed(they have made their own safe antibodies).
I do not for a moment believe that Tennis Australia would risk ridicule and a big legal bill without being told this by someone in authority.

Well, what do you know….whoever sanctioned this advice given to Tennis Australia, has gone to ground.
The latest news is that the tennis player has been re-arrested….however this still has to be confirmed…but it doesn’t show the country in good light.

Meanwhile back here, they are now saying that the way forward is to learn to live with the infection.

We were out and about today and met a couple of folk we know….both triple jabbed and both have been really poorly with the virus(not hospitalised, but in bed unable to get up….one of them for two weeks….the other for ten days) both of these people have said that had they known they could still get so sick after being jabbed they would not have bothered

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What has happened to ‘once everybody is vaccinated then we will beat the virus’. The majority have now followed this advice but it doesn’t appear to me that we are anywhere near to beating it. In fact over here it is worse now than it has ever been. This is a country that a little while ago could boast that we had it more-or-less under control, at least in some States.

Oops-a-daisy, sorry we were wrong and those two jabs aren’t enough to do the trick, have a booster then we will beat the virus. Sorry again, you should probably have a fourth jab THEN we will beat the virus. Just how often are we going to be asked to roll up our sleeves.

Meanwhile people are still catching it, people are still being hospitalised, people are still having to be treated in ICU, people are still dying – jabbed or un-jabbed. What sort of difference has all the jabbing made, except for giving some odd sense of false security.

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It does not matter whether you are jabbed or not…this jab is not a vaccine by definition.
It is a genetic treatment.
Vaccines prevent the infection….and if you are prevented from getting it then you cannot pass it on.
You can be jabbed, you can wear your mask, you can sanitise your hands and you can still get it.
As posted earlier….two people we know…younger than us….and both healthy folk…..though one has mild asthma, have both been confined to bed with this virus.

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We were out and about today and met a couple of folk we know….both triple jabbed and both have been really poorly with the virus(not hospitalised, but in bed unable to get up….one of them for two weeks….the other for ten days) both of these people have said that had they known they could still get so sick after being jabbed they would not have bothered

Marge, Mrs Taddies brother, 12 months younger than me, IE, an old chap, has also been triple jabbed but he has been tested by one of these flow tests things as positive and has to self isolate for whatever the powers that be decide, as he lives alone who? are what, can stop him doing whatever he wants to do, if he decides to go for a pint or go shopping, does he have to tell everyone he meets that he has tested positive?.

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Good question Taddy. If you test positive you are not supposed to venture out anywhere.
I guess it depends on how he is feeling.
If he is well, then there is nothing to stop him doing just as he pleases…..and it is hard when you are on your own to self isolate, but deal with every day needs.
If he feels ill, then it is likely that he won’t want to go out and about….but again, how hard it is to cope if you are ill and on your own.

David had the virus and was very unwell (I got it too, but was far less affected by it).
He said that if I had not been there to look after him, he would have been in a pickle.
He could not even get up to use the toilet.
So I feel very sorry for those who get the jab, but still get the virus and are ill with it.

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It has been rather warm here today, around 40 degrees, and so, after hundreds of people had queued for hours to get tested, some testing stations closed down because of the heat, and those queuing were directed to try elsewhere or come back tomorrow. Well tomorrow is going to be similar re the weather, so what happens then.
Continually being told to self-test is a joke. Try getting a test kit. A friend’s son went all over Adelaide CBD until he eventually managed to procure one for her. Not everyone has someone who can do this for them.
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We have staff shortages in many fields because of people isolating either with the virus or because of being in close contact, so people are being told/asked to return to work even if they have been in close contact with a COVID sufferer, if they themselves have no symptoms and test negative. No need to isolate. It’s strange how rules can be changed to accommodate, Only a short time ago the isolation rules were very strict with heavy fines if not adhered to, and the definition of close contact was very different.

As for the continuing saga of that tennis player, well now it appears the wrong box had been ticked on his application regarding if he had visited another country on his way here. The tick indicates ‘no’ but it seems that he dropped in to Spain…..but wouldn’t you just know it – he didn’t fill in the form himself, Tennis Australia apparently were the ones who did the ticking. If this is right then they need a good old ticking off….meanwhile it looks like some people are clutching at straws to save face.

Okay, so now I’ll shut up about Australia – you have enough worries of your own.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1262430]We were out and about today and met a couple of folk we know….both triple jabbed and both have been really poorly with the virus(not hospitalised, but in bed unable to get up….one of them for two weeks….the other for ten days) both of these people have said that had they known they could still get so sick after being jabbed they would not have bothered

possibly they watched the bbc and believed all the bullshine about vaccinations from day 1. think some thought they were totally immune after their second and now think they are after the 3rd. or booster as they like to call it. after having the 6th by next year they might think they have been sold a pup. i have a relative like that who is always easily conned on anything who will be queuing up for her 4th already. years ago she had the nickname of miss betamax. enough said.

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It is hard not to get sucked in when everywhere you look there are these messages that tell you that if you are not boosted ….you aren’t safe.
Well, here is the news…boosted….not boosted….jabbed or not jabbed you can still catch this virus…..so what is the jab all about……well, it makes the symptoms milder.
Does it? Does it really??

Not according to the two folk we spoke to yesterday. Both said they were too ill to get out of bed.
But what it most certainly does is give those who have swallowed this blather, the sense that they cannot get it…..even though they were told that they might still catch the virus, at the time they were jabbed.

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i think it cuts down the severity of it definately, i know that for sure in my eyes.the couple you know were never in hospital nor given oxygen.

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How do you, I or anybody know (including themselves) that had they not had their jabs they might now be lying in their wooden overcoats?

It may have been a reaction to the jab or maybe it was a reaction to covid and the jabs helped keep them alive, we just don't know, one thing for certain in my case so far so good and if they ask me to take another jab that could perhaps, maybe, keep me on this mortal coil a little longer I'm up for it.

But you won't see me posting prolifically on the hearsay of any miracle survival or illness/death of just a couple of folk that haven't had the jab.

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Well, Less…that is what the people told me…and yes it is impossible to know just how they would have felt had they not had these jabs….and you concern yourself with the ‘hearsay evidence’ of a couple of folk who had not had the jab…firstly, both of these people were jabbed AND boosted…..so are you saying that they are unreliable in how they perceived the illness?
Or are you saying that I am misrepresenting it?

As for the possibility of further jabs for yourself…..that is your choice….if you want to do that then go ahead….not everyone will make that choice
That you have had no problems is to be celebrated…but your experience is not mirrored by everyone who has had the jab.
There are some people who, having had the jabs….and then got the virus, who may revise their choices.

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My other half had the virus at the beginning of October….he was in bed for three and a half weeks. It took him another month to feel fully recovered

I also had it but had not the same experience…..I was able to get up, go about my daily doings and look after the old feller.
We are both of an age that is considered vulnerable.

The jab may reduce the severity for some people…..but others will still get pretty sick(though not need hospital, oxygen or a wooden box).

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I concern myself with hearsay evidence about this so called pandemic no matter what source it comes from.
Yes they are unreliable, we are all unreliable, we just don't know what they had it could have been the statistically ignored flu that they got for all we know.
I'm not saying you are misrepresenting what you perceive to be true however just because you believe it, doesn't make it any truer than everyone else's perhaps and maybe about this whole rotten situation.
Perhaps you need a few more than two for a reliable survey?
Or maybe two is enough?

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Less…I was not doing a survey…these were two people we know and met in town….after not seeing them for a few weeks. They tested positive on LFT….and also on PCR…..so they will be counted as Covid….whatever it was. As far as both of these people are concerned they have had Covid….evidenced by positive tests. So what is unreliable about this..?
Their perception? Or the tests?

Yes…many of these illnesses that are represented as this deadly infection are very likely to be the winter flu.
Yet according to those who wish to control us….they have to be Covid….(especially if they have tested positive using the tests that are available and promoted to detect this virus) whether they are or not is debatable.

If I take my personal experience of seeing my other half…..I would have said it WAS flu…..having seen this illness many times in my career.
And yes, The winter flu is capable of killing people….yet did we lockdown or impose restrictions during all those winters when the NHS was put under pressure?
No…we did not.
Did we use divisive language and disparaging terms about those who choose not to be jabbed…..No we did not.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
There are some people who, having had the jabs….and then got the virus, who may revise their choices.[/QUOTE]

especially when a lot thought they were totally immune after their vaccinations and thought catching it or passing it on were akin to having bad side affects by having it. A bit like reading instructions of possible side affects you may get with over the counter medicines. Just something there to cover the manufacturer but ignored by the majority.

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Definitely the tests.
I haven't and will not use divisive language and disparaging terms against those that choose (long may there be a choice) not to have a jab, I just don't feel two peoples so called reaction to the jab to be valid evidence either for or agin' and needs no prolonged thought to be dumped on the bullshine pile.

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It was not a reaction to the jab per se.
They had both had the jabs and the booster….so felt that they were protected….that they would be less likely to get the virus.
Or if they did get the virus, it would be mild.
Neither of them considered their illness to be mild….in fact the male of the pair said he thought he was going to die.
Both of them were much younger than the two of us…the lady by two decades, the man by a decade and a bit.

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It means nothing, nobody knows how each individual will react, their severe could be mild in someone else, his near death experience might mean, had he not had the jab, he wouldn't be here to tell the tale, WE just don't know.

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It means nothing to you…or even to me, but it means a lot to these two people.
Both said they would not be having any more boosters.
As far as they are concerned they both had a bad experience…..yes, who is to say it would not have been worse had they not been jabbed.

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Less when I mentioned divisive and disparaging language used for those who choose not to have the jab, was not aimed at you.
I have never noted you using such language.
I was referring to the main stream media and journalists and those who feel that we should be influenced by their views…the celebs.
I just wanted to make that point clear.

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Good grief! Does anyone listen to those people? If so they want their bumps testing.

We can't even trust our so-called experts and they don't play pretend for a living which our celebs do.

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Yes…Less, unfortunately they do…or so it seems.

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Regarding THAT party, don’t be too hard on Boris, he said he didn’t know that holding that party was against the rules, and why should he…oh, that’s right he’s the Prime Minister and isn’t a PM supposed to know what the rules are? Doesn’t a PM have a say in establishing them?

Poor Boris, that rule probably came into place while he was at his hairdressers….it must take a long time to get those locks looking like that.

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its cummings thats caused this simple as.

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Yes, I am pretty sure that it is DC who is stirring the pot.
I believe those that stir the sh1T pot should have to lick the spoon clean!

When they have ousted the PM, which lying twisted politician will they put in his place?
Those who go into politics do it for their benefit….not ours…..and they will lie cheat and do whatever is required to keep their snout in the trough.

I was never a fan of BJ, but he has had the most difficult premiership since the war.
While he is not perfect…..I cannot see a likely, plausible replacement.

If a vote of ‘no Confidence’ is provoked then look at those who are forcing this through and ask yourself if their motives are to improve the party…or to improve their own chances of getting a foothold in the cabinet of cronies

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Thats the problem to me at this point there is NO REPLACEMENT for B.J.BUT to me all LABOUR are doing is playing Politics, along with the SNP who have really Beggered scotland up,

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While it is regrettable that these things happened….which grown up is surprised that these hooray Henry’s did what they did?
Does raking over the ashes of these events change anything?
Does it bring back those who died….or make a difference to those sad funerals….and events over which Boris had little choice.
It was not him who decided what the rules were…it was those in the SAGE group.
Maybe those who went against the rules did not believe in those rules…more importantly they thought that they would not be discovered…..and if we look back DC was one of the first to FLOUT these rules….and Neil Ferguson (doom monger in chief) was another of these.

Apologising is all that can be done….but it CHANGES NOTHING.
Replacing BJ would not solve anything and might make things worse…..and it is all driven by the media drip feeding poison.

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i am convinced if they replace B.J. they will end up regretting it. thats a near certainty.

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It may move them down a few pegs in popularity, however they would have to put someone really terrible in charge to make Labour a viable alternative.

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they have already got someone terrible in charge Less. thing is though if many ex-labour voters go back to labour that should make a difference? i will never return but many will i reckon.

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Terrible yes, but I did say Really terrible.
;)

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[QUOTE=cashman;1262734]they have already got someone terrible in charge Less. thing is though if many ex-labour voters go back to labour that should make a difference? i will never return but many will i reckon.

I am in the same mind as you Cashy, I was for many years a staunch Union man until the likes of Derek Hatton and his "militant tendency" scouse scum hijacked the unions and split what was once a Labour and socialist party into what is now a Labour come communist party. The new so called labour party are now in the clutches of an offshoot of militant tendency now known as "momentum", Boris achieved what the labour louts failed to achieve, I.E. getting us out of the clutches of a federation of european Britt haters.
I have never been a "God Botherer" but by God I needed that rant. (Hobgoblin time).;);)

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know what yer saying taddy i was a branch sec, for years also a labour party member for over 20 years.