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I do not know the answer to that Taddy....but it wasn't the year 1016..it was one thousand and sixteen people, but the you knew that and are having me on :)
Why would you be astounded at my knowledge Taddy? I was born asking why. I have never lost my wonder..it is in my coat pocket tied with string |
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The fact that the vaccine has to be kept at minus 70 degrees C is of great concern to me. The logistics of transportation and storage will make this extremely difficult. Also regarding storage at pharmacies and surgeries – would any be equipped to keep a stock on hand at this temperature? The vaccine will have to be kept in dry ice when being transported and special containers are having to be made for this to happen.
To make a comparison and to put this in perspective, flu vaccines need only to be stored at around 4 degrees C so can be kept in a normal type of refrigerator. If the temperature falls below the minus 70 what happens to the vaccine? Does it become ineffective, absolutely useless, and so has to be destroyed – or if, by some chance, it is administered when not stored correctly could it be a potential health risk itself. |
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Those questions you pose are interesting and bring up some relevant concerns.
Pfizer the company that are manufacturing this vaccine will be buying up all the supplies of dry ice to transport their vaccine in the conditions it needs to be kept stable. They are also saying that they are working on the possibility of manufacturing it in a powder form, but this may take about a year to achieve. The vaccine has to be given in two doses...twenty one days apart. An interesting fact is that the CEO of this company sold sixty per cent of his shares the day after the release of this vaccine was announced....making him 5.6 million pounds. We are told that this had been agreed back in August.(i leave you to draw your own conclusions on this) The cost of providing this vaccine is said to be in the region of 600 million pounds. All the while those who have been diagnosed with cancer have their treatment postponed and diagnoses for those suspected of having cancer have been deferred. There is an ad campaign on TV and in the media right now telling us that the NHS is open. That if we suspect we have something unusual we should contact our Doctor. All I can say is....Good luck with that one! |
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Yes, Margaret, there are a lot of things to think about regarding the vaccine – and especially the short time it has taken from being developed to being called safe to use. When you consider how long it normally takes for vaccines and other medications to be developed and made available, the speed with which this vaccine is being marketed as being (potentially) safe is a bit of a worry (well more than a bit).
As we all know, there’s a common-sense reason for testing regarding any newly developed vaccines and such. There are numerous stages to go through before this gets passed and made available which can take several years. What makes this one different? I am definitely not against vaccinations – I have my flu jab every year and recently had the whooping cough one (have got a new great-granddaughter and this is the recommended thing to do). I was quite willing to roll up my sleeve for these as they have been well and truly tried and tested, but I will hesitate to have the COVID one. |
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It has been tested on a relatively small number of young, fit healthy adults(I would hazard that most would be Male....they do not usually like to test on females because of the risks in pregnancy). The assumption is that because it had a 90% efficacy in the test sample, it MAY achieve that in older populations, but there is no guarantee that it will. The other worrying aspect is that this is a modified RNA vaccine (NEVER USED BEFORE ON HUMANS) that will be inserted into your genetic code....once it is in there, that is it...it is impossible to remove and it is never going to wear off. That is not to say that it will continue to protect you from Coronavirus.....the stimulation of an antibody and T cell response is anything but certain. The media hype is sweeping everyone along and many people will just roll up their sleeve and get it without a second thought. |
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A perfect example of what society has become on Tv this morning some are saying the elderly should be LAST to get the vaccination. SELFISH Couldnt Care. People.well people like that are not fit to live imho.
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i will certainly have it if it means getting back up stanley and going away.otherwise i wont bother.
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just be careful what you say about the vaccine even if its correct. big brother are after dissenters with the labour party now banging its pinky drum. free speach as long as those at the top agree with it.
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it dont matter to me mate time i have left im gonna do what i enjoy all the more.after this lot.
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its quiet on here. hope everyone are fit and well.
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I have been thinking the very same thing.
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Your concern is touching MH, all fine here in Krautyland, just busy with work, I nip on ocasssionaly but don't post much at the moment.
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Of course the vaccine will be 100% safe, you wont turn into a zombie and walk the streets, neither will it make you ill, alter your dna or worse - kill you.
The government are absolutely correct in what they say and how they have done it - brilliant job Boris old chum - bravo. Ill be having the vaccine as soon as I can - in fact I think Ill have 2, and will be taking all my family for it. (just in case the government spies are reading this forum). Regulars can ignore everything I said on here today :) |
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Oh, monkey hanger, we can't put this thread to bed yet - it's often the only one going that isn't about Accrington Stanley....oops! Kudos to all of you that keep posting about the club you obviously have great feelings for though.
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Had a phone call from our son yesterday to say that his lad, (our 15year old Grandson) has just tested Positive for the Covid 19 virus; we can only, hope, wait and see.
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Me too Taddy.
My next door neighbour tested positive after a visit to hospital.....she isolated for the 14 days but remained well. I hope your grandson is the same. |
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Hopefully as a young un tads, your Grandson will come out of it with only a few sniffles & a couple of weeks of school.
My Dad & his Missus were tested as positive the other week at one of these drive in centre places, spoke with them last Friday, both home & coping, nothing drastic, sniffles, snuffles & light flu like annoyances. Pater dear is doing Bevs nut in mind, she normally escapes by going to work! :D |
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Thank you all, will keep you updated,Taddy.
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Yesterday in a MSM report(the Daialy Mail, A newspaper often ridiculed) there was an incisive article on the facts that the government do not wish us to see.
They reported some truer statistics about the Covid Plandemic that we have all been terrified of by government manipulated statistic. And at this point you are groaning and saying ' Oh no, the mad old tin hat baggage has wakened up again@ These number are from ONS stats. Right now in hospital only 13% are covid patients. Hospital beds are under no greater pressure than they would be at this time in any year. 95.6% of covid deaths occurred in patients who had at least one other serious medical condition. 53.7% of the 37,470 covid deaths recorded by NHS England up to November 18th were over 80 years of age. Only 276 deaths (or 0.7%) were in people under the age of 40 There were 42 deaths in people under 40 who had no pre-existing health conditions. Of deaths with pre-existing health conditions,27% featured diabetes and 18% featured dementia. Official figures show that despite all the deaths from Covid, tha average death rate in the over 75's was significantly lower in October than last year.....6901.7 per 100,000 compared to 7141.7 for last year(when there was No Pandemic) since the mail popinted out these figures the big Brother propaganda machine has gone into overdrive on twitter trying to discredit them. It is coming to something when the main stream media that many of us have become disillusioned with are having to show the population what is going on. Many of these things I have been pointing out from the start....but have been. if not ridiculed, then censured. We, the people are being played...we are being manipulated and controlled...we have been under house arrest on false claims. |
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Taddy, hope your grandson makes a speedy recovery. Best wishes.
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Many thanks Dotti
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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1247076]Yesterday in a MSM report(the Daialy Mail, A newspaper often ridiculed) there was an incisive article on the facts that the government do not wish us to see.
They reported some truer statistics about the Covid Plandemic that we have all been terrified of by government manipulated statistic. even the BBC had someone on this morning with figures from early november showing in some cases in hospitals that they are half what they were at the virus peak regarding admissions and use of ventillators for virus patients. deaths howver have gone down but not in the same proportions. just wonder what graphs and charts will be rolled out this afternoon by the three stooges. |
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this is an excerpt from the British Medical Journal...contained in the link above, but bears reading.
...Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. Covid-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health. Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency—a time when it is even more important to safeguard science..." "...Politicisation of science was enthusiastically deployed by some of history’s worst autocrats and dictators, and it is now regrettably commonplace in democracies. The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of science to aggrandise and enrich those in power. And, as the powerful become more successful, richer, and further intoxicated with power, the inconvenient truths of science are suppressed. When good science is suppressed, people die..." I think that about covers it. |
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and something else of interest....there are links within this article regarding the indemnity of Pharma companies against any litigation for Adverse Drug reactions...the indemnity not only applies to the manufacturers, but also to those who administer and vaccine...
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surely thats always been so? avoid litigation? not really telling anyone anything?
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Cashy, you might know, but not everyone does....and are you saying that the big Pharma have always had indemnity?
The real issue is the information in the preceding post.....the medical profession has, so far been silent....they have gone along with the manipulation practised by government....but here they are speaking up and saying what previously has been unsaid....and that is the actions of this government, in respect of this crisis had been that of a dictatorship. That was the point I was making....but added that information about indemnity as an aside. |
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There has not always been indemnity.....though it has always been very difficult to,prove vaccine injuries(because litigation is extremely expensive and the man in the street cannot compete with the vast sums of money that Pharma companies can devote to trouncing any case that is brought against them....big Pharma are also very influential.)
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I'm not sure they did....I worked with a lass that took out a court case(along with 23 other colleagues)...they did not win for precisely the reasons I have outlined in a previous post...the legal costs were covered by someone rich and influential...alas not influential enough to secure any damges for the 24 vaccine damaged personnel.
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No...they did not even get to court when I think about it...the pharma companies involved told them how much their costs would be if they lost and they decided they could not take the risk....and of course there were still costs.
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well, What do you think?
Adverse reactions may arise soon after the vaccination, but how do you prove that any other sequelae that arise in five or ten years time is as a result of the vaccination?...and how do you prove that it has affected the children that you may go on and have?(not me or you MH as those days are past for us). There are suggestions that those service men who had the Gulf War Syndrome had children that were damaged as a result of the vaccinations that they were given. the broad answer is that big pharma only want to make money(and they will, in truckloads) they do not want to be paying a cent back for damage that their product may inflict on a scared and unwitting public I am not anti vaccine, but I am anti this vaccine. And why should those who wish to have the vaccine rail against me for NOT wanting it?....They are protected by the vaccination, while I am not...so how does that make me a threat to them?...or for that matter'selfish'...or is it just a label like racism, intent on shutting down discussion. |
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there are a lot of comments on news sites about the 'selfish people' 'the idiots' 'the anti vaxxers' who do not wish to be vaccinated... it has not been said on here.....no-one has actually said it to me in person...but I do not doubt that it will happen. I suppose it is called peer pressure.
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news sites are full of garbage as you well know, they always go with the way they view things ignore em i do.what they say means very little in real life.
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I hope you are right, but I am waiting...and ready for if it does happen.
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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1247200]there are a lot of comments on news sites about the 'selfish people' 'the idiots' 'the anti vaxxers' who do not wish to be vaccinated...
trying to ban on social media people who are labelled as anti vaxers giving their position on the subject would only make anyone wonder what the government are actually scared of. if these 3 different vaccinations were so good without any problems whatsoever then whats the problem. they themselves have created a problem where if you are a self styled scientific expert from somewhere in arazona with a you tube video you may be believed more than the government after the last few months. the way forward is all sides to give their facts and arguments and let the population decide on what they do as individuals. mind you i do not know whats worse now being an individual or anything else. |
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Will Qantas (and probably all other airlines and 'travel providers') openly discriminate against people who's religious beliefs preclude them from using vaccines ? .... if they do they will in breach of anti-discrimination laws - if they don't it will make a mockery of the whole ethos of preventing the spread of the virus.
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[QUOTE=Jimmy Clitheroe;1247339]Will Qantas (and probably all other airlines and 'travel providers') openly discriminate against people who's religious beliefs preclude them from using vaccines ? .... if they do they will in breach of anti-discrimination laws -
they will have to do as it will make a total mockery of what else has gone on in 2020. a year of diversity, equality for all , and the thoughts of minorities being the ones that the majority have to follow. |
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Qantas is a very poor choice of airline anyway.
I have flown with them in the past but there are better airlines to fly with if you really need to get to the other side of the world.....better services, better prices with smilier personnel on board. Qantas is probably the last on my list of airlines to fly with. Not that I will be flying anywhere soon, no passport, no desire, no need. |
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Oh, and by the way Jimmy....if they squirt the vaccine into your veins, they are doing it wrong....and you have got a binmen doing your vaccination(no disrespect mean5 to binmen...they do a sterling job....of emptying bins)
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They have enlisted SJAB volunteers....it isn't hard to do.
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They are likely to get group4 involved, those muppets can't do security so surely they must be able to give out jabs lol
TBH I really dont fancy having it, its too soon - I don't want to find that in 10 years time I can't walk except for like a zombie, I Have only 1 working lung and my dingdong falls off because they rushed a vaccine. :) |
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Rainbow six....you need to weigh up the risks....
It has a lesser mortality rate than seasonal flu.....I do not have the flu vaccine, and won’t be having this one either. I look after my own health. I take Vitamin d, vitamin C....and since the pandemic I have added zinc and I gargle twice a day with Listerine mouthwash(this is not a proven measure, but if you use alcohol sanitiser on your hands, this is like that too, but for your throat and Naso pharynx....Where bugs and bacteria like to lurk). But those who wish to have the vaccination do so because they trust what they are being told...I don’t. Please do not let that put you off though. |
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its up to each individual no one else simple as.
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yes...and that is eactly how it should be Cashy...as long as this stance does not change...or is subverted....and by that I mean made compulsory by the back door....e'g' can't travel unless vaccinated, can't go to venues etc...
There are a lot of people who have reservations...and it is OK saying well let's see the PM get his dose...they could be giving him a dose of sterile water. ( I just do not trust anyone anymore) |
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Doubt very much it will be compulsory cant see it at all.though if yeh need it to go anywhere it wouldnt bother me in the slightest.
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do not worry they,ll have one of those app things on your tippy tappy to prove you have had the jab to force those without smart phones to buy one so you can then be checked on like the rest of the population. you will not be able to just leave it at home as you,ll need it checking everywhere you go. so the oldies will not or cannot do this so they,ll get their wish of the over whatever age they choose actually having to stay indoors and there will be less chance of em getting the virus anyway. with these measures they can say that things are working and we can get back to mormal some year in the future.
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it is the 'some year in the future' that grieves me.
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Definitely not for him.....he has seen me in it more times than enough....I need to get a French maids kit I think :D
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They are recruiting vaccinators and paying something in the region of £135 per day....so not to be sneezed at
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The military will be dragged into it at some point too, S.O.P's of every govt so far when the pressure is on.
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Not sure about that one.
But It won't be back breaking work....and the contracts are for three to six months...so nice work if you can get it. I would imagine a lot of retired medics/nurses will be wanting a bite of that cherry. Though I would not do it...my conscience would not let me. |
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Don't know what they're saying about the Biotech/Pfizer vaccine, but on the German radio today they've been saying UK has cleared it for use starting next week, while Krautyland & the rest of europe are talking about the end of Dec, start of next year.
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uk has cleared it dave should be starting with it next week sometime with care homes and staff etc .suits me i will be having one soon as i can.i have no need to worry oer long term effects lol
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Good luck to anyone volunteering to have Pfizer's latest invention.
Doesn't seem as though a former CEO of that company will be doing so. Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition - 2020 NEWS It's not been tested on all likely candidates. Any pregnant women out there want to volunteer? Will pregnant women be given the Covid vaccine? | Metro News S'funny, though, the 'ordinary' flu jab is recommended for pregnant women. |
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The Pfizer Jab contains polyethylene glycol which is a constituent of anti freeze.
I have read reports in the popular press that Boris Johhson, Matt Hancock and Nicola Sturgeon are all prepared to have their vaccination done live on camera. Now call me cynical, but they could be given vaccinations that are just sterile water or saline...so I don't buy that Google Page Ranking trick...and in any case if Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock have had the virus, then WHY do they need a vaccination? Just asking out of interest. No-one knows what the long term side effect might be, and for a condition that has a 99% recovery rate it seems just a bit over the top. I won't be having it. |
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We are all entitled to our own views about the COVID vaccines and so for what it’s worth this is mine.
The speed with which the vaccines are being approved is a real worry to me. If it is normal accepted practice that it takes years from the development stage through to being approved for other vaccines, what is different about the COVID ones that will be distributed for use very soon? If there have been steps in the development of it that have been rushed through (and given the time frame this must have happened) how can we be sure that everything is as safe as we are told. No-one can guarantee that. I am not against vaccinations, far from it – I have the flu one every year and recently had the whooping cough one, confident in my mind that these have been well and truly tested. If there are any long-term health risks with the rushed-through COVID vaccines then it will be too late to rectify the damage that has been caused by the time these problems show up. |
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Pfizer was the company responsible for the swine flu vaccination that created problems for some of the people who had the vaccination.
It created a brain condition which causes sufferers to fall asleep without any warning...invariably this means that those affected cannot drive and cannot work....and this condition, narcolepsy, cannot be cured....they have it for life....and that is the reality of a vaccine that has no long history of testing. I am not prepared to be an unpaid guinea pig for a company that will rake in billions of pounds, yet not accept any responsibility for any damage their product may cause. |
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I worry about long tern effects because I care - not so much for me ('cause I'm old) but for all those who still have a lifetime of living in front of them, and Cashy you might try to put it across like it doesn't bother you at all but you care about them, too.
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Think SOP’s stand for Standard Operating Procedures, but I am happy to be corrected if this is not right.
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The SOP of this Government is that it's gone from SNAFU to FUBAR in less than twelve months.:rolleyes:
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Exile...I am NOT explaining those acronyms to the self professed Luddites.
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Cashy...the snaitised version of this acronym is Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition....I am sure you can work out the FU bit at the front.
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ta margaret thing is obvious i dont swear like exile.:D
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Cashy, I will just say one more thing about this and then I’ll shut up (at least for now). If there are any problems, short or long term (and apologies for my spelling mistake in my previous post – as we all know a tern is a seabird and not a period of time), it wouldn’t matter how sensible a person is - once that jab goes in then that’s it, it will not discriminate between the sensible and the other sort. If there are any adverse outcomes then these could affect anyone, sensible or otherwise.
I just can’t understand how the COVID vaccines can be safely rolled out so quickly when it normally takes so long for vaccines to be considered safe to use. That is my concern, and of course it IS up to the individual to make the decision to jab or not to jab. One thing about this forum, it certainly educates – like you, Cashy, I didn’t have a clue what those letters stood for but now my education has gone up a notch, many thanks to Margaret for explaining what they mean (albeit the watered down version). |
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I just can’t understand how the COVID vaccines can be safely rolled out so quickly when it normally takes so long for vaccines to be considered safe to use. That is my concern, and of course it IS up to the individual to make the decision to jab or not to jab. funny how the germans and french do not seem as excited about the vaccinations as plenty do in this country. there could also be another problem once people have had there jabs. can see a lot thinkung that they should immediatly be allowed to get back to normal life themselves and not having to wait a few months longer. |
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My apologies to the Luddites of this world :) military & ex-military folk tend to use army speak even after leaving the forces, just one of the little foibles we keep & carry on through our lives.
But as you can see, the goodly folk of AW have once again charged to the fore to enlighten the the less enlightened (every day's a school day folks :D) now where else would you find such knowledgeable contributors? ;) So for you "Civvies" here is a little insight into the "lean green fighting machine" https://www.forces.net/military-life...-you-need-know https://www.forces.net/military-life...ou-need-know-2 https://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Army_Slang |
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Looked at the list and have come across quite a few of those terms...but it is always good to read more...learn more.
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had a boss about 30 years ago always using the term STB at every opportunity. a weird bloke who was very friendly away from work but quite different at work. never knew what those letters meant but found out it meant sack the bas----s.
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I hope that Karma got him.
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One thing about this forum, it certainly educates.
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