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I think that some people think that wearing a mask is a 'fashion statement'...far more so than a means of protection(which of course it isn't).

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1244301]I think that some people think that wearing a mask is a 'fashion statement'...

especially fans of stuff like casualty and holby city.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1244298]For over 70years I was the same as you state above, wore a Deerstalker hat,kept my beard and hair well trimmed, would not think of going out without a shine on my shoes.
Now at the age of 73, I no longer wear a hat, my beard would give Santa Clause a good run for his money, my hair is over my collar and I dont really give a damn any more.
After being told what to do and where I can,(cannot) go for the past six months I have now decided to do what (I) want and to hell with convention or what other folk think. in other words, As I have told my other half; I am going to grow old disgracefully.
Stay safe, (if you want) stay happy, (if you want) drink Hobgoblin,(if you can). Taddy.

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Taddy, growing old disgracefully is better than the alternative :)

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[QUOTE=taddy;1244389]
Oooh, check you out! A rebel with an alcoholic brew! :D


Geron! give it some big licks mate! ;)

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1244298]
That right there, is the reason they're traipsing round with a litter of little mongrels. :rolleyes:

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I disown the above quote this is not from my pen it is what happens when a quote has been posted incorrectly and then re-quoted.
It is all Monkey hangers work, (however having said that, I wouldn't have minded saying it).
;)

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Oh dear, Monkey Hanger, you really will have upset the PC police and the feminist brigade. ‘Her in the kitchen’…tut, tut, tut, and then to have her following behind…lordy, lordy, me. All I can say is that you are one brave man. Ha ha ha ha.

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You are all so right, women of that era would not have ventured out the house without making sure they were neat and tidy. No slopping about in PJ’s all day. This was done for their own self-esteem as much as anything, but I guess it was also that they wanted to create a good impression. I know because I was of that era and before. The era where men opened doors for women and (more importantly) the women thanked them…..just simple good manners.

The young people also took great care in how they presented themselves. No sloppy bellies and boobs hanging out, and no jeans with rips and holes in them (and I don’t care how much these cost they still look like rags).

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[QUOTE=dotti34;124442 The era where men opened doors for women and (more importantly) the women thanked them…..just simple good manners.

plus giving up your seat on a bus for a woman who looked to be struggling with shopping bags or kids. last time i did it was a couple of years ago and all i got was a dirty look as if i was some old pervert. never again ladies you can get thrown around in future.

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i love it. my rest of my lifes ambition to upset the PC brigade, the cannot say this and that lot and say as much to upset the WOKE club as possible.

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Yes, and pregnant women were given Priorities because of their condition, now I can ignore them, if they dare to say, 'but I'm pregnant', I'm at an age where I can reply, 'maybe so, but don't try to blame me for that!'.

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[QUOTE=Less;124443, if they dare to say, 'but I'm pregnant', I'm at an age where I can reply, 'maybe so, but don't try to blame me for that!'.[/QUOTE]

then you can get crossed off their list of suspects.

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rule of 6. covid wardens. whats the next nonsence to be brought in. feel we are in for a long old autumn and winter folk. mind you we have had one winter of discontent before. lets hope we have another.

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Are Covid Wardens anything like air raid wardens only instead of shouting, 'put that light out', they sneak up to your house look through the window and shout, 'throw that friend out!'

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They might, but you won't understand them through the layers of IPE & muzzle!

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and IF they are to follow the strict letter of the law they will never turn up for work because health & safety wouldn't allow them into the unsafe environment of people that flout the rules.

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The rules being introduced get more ridiculous every day.
Because there is absolutely no logic to them, they will not be followed.
The police cannot possibly enforce this rule...and the so called 'wardens' have no powers to do anything.
Someone should tell the scientists that Covid can't count.

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they enforced them in Bolton.quite a few fined for attending some do.

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What’s even more laughable is that the Government nor it’s so-calmed expert advisors can’t count either....unless, of course, when they are counting totally bogus PCR ‘test‘ results.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/radical...nt-innumeracy/

These tests are a joke, and just appear to be another total hoax to maintain Project Fear.
They are then disregarding false positives and the fact the tests may well pick up any traces from colds, flu, or whatever someone may ever have had.

This is a quote from Public Health England (my emphasis):
“Molecular diagnostic tests, such as real-time PCR, are the gold standard methods for identifying individuals with an active viral infection, such as SARS-CoV-2 (the cause of COVID-19 disease), in their respiratory tract. These tests are rapid and produce results in real-time.

“It is important to note that detecting viral material by PCR does not indicate that the virus is fully intact and infectious, i.e. able to cause infection in other people. The isolation of infectious virus from positive individuals requires virus culture methods. These methods can only be conducted in laboratories with specialist containment facilities and are time consuming and complex.”

https://lockdownsceptics.org/when-is...-not-covid-19/

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If it could detect infections of cynicism then the figures would be off the scale!

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The media are saying that there has been a rise in the numbers of infections, but yet there has been a fall in the death rate and few intensive care beds are occupied by seriously ill Covid patients.

Anyone with half an ounce of common sense would see that the more tests that are done, the more results will be obtained...and counting a result as positive if the patient is not suffering symptoms is a manipulation of statistics.
Every patient who is going to hospital for treatment or for investigations has been asked to go for a test before they will be seen...if this proves positive, then any treatment or investigation will be put on hold.
I know two such patients personally...one with a disfiguring basal cell carcinoma of the face and the other with potential bowel cancer and needing a colonoscopy...both have had their treatments/investigations put on hold because of positive tests, though neither have any symptoms...no cough, no temperature, no sore throat, no loss of taste or sense of smell....ZERO symptoms.
So does this mean that the tests are contaminated...or just unreliable.

What this government is doing is what terrorists do to hostages......they are cruel, they remove freedoms and then give a little bit back, then remove yet more freedoms.
It can be seen as an instrument of torture.

Lord Jonathan Sumption a retired senior judge has said that this is all illegal and that the 1984 act that has been invoked to bring in these measures, does not support(legally) what is being done.

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https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/comment...104325.article

This is not from mainstream media, so it is a reliable source...see what he says here

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Yes Cashy, but how do they propose to monitor household gatherings?
And if you are out in the open air and social distancing(all a load of globular objects, in my opinion, but then you know that)how is that dangerous?
You can go to the pub.....mix with people you know nothing about and that is alright is it? Well as long as there are no more than six in the group you are seated with.
Yes, I know that these establishments are now obliged to get your contact details, but how can these be verified?


This is all ludicrous and it makes the government look totally inept and useless,
especially when you look at the example of Sweden.


No...the genrtal public are being played like a fiddle and many of them cannot see it.

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I’m beginning to suspect that some people are more than happy to be played like a fiddle.
It saves researching things for themselves, and then thinking about what they find.
Or anything for an easy life and not be challenged by Covid Nazis.
Then there are the parents who are happy to muzzle their infants and make them breathe their own carbon dioxide all day. Don’t know whether this is because they believe the all the propaganda except the bit about very young kid being virtually immune.
Or is it because, like many parents, they do what their kids tell them to do and their progeny think they are in some kind of game show or a rerun of the film ‘Contagion’.
It’s just beyond rational thought but, meanwhile, back in the real world...

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Thinking is (for some) fraught with difficulty.
They have not had to do it....so find it a difficult thing to do.
It is the line of least resistance to just swallow whole and unchewed the propaganda that keeps them prisoner.
I think they like being a prisoner...being directed as to what to do.

As for children wearing masks....well, maybe they want to mimic grown ups, but as a parent I would not be putting a child in a mask.(long term health risks will become apparent in the not too distant future)

The government will be making money out of mask wearers seeing as they set up factories to produce face masks....of course they will want people to keep on wearing them...they
need the money.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1244578]

As for children wearing masks....well, maybe they want to mimic grown ups, b

think thats the case with many of kids. we all did it to a certain extent as kids. then it starts to multiply as if their friends are seen wearing muzzles then they want one not to feel the odd one out. for me its a horrible sight seeing kids around playing a permanent game of doctors and nurses.

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The government are counting positive virus results as cases of the disease.
This is so far from the truth it is ridiculous.
No clinician or virologist would count a positive result as a 'case' in the absence of symptoms.
So we are being hoodwinked....what's more is that some of these tests relate to the same person tested more than once.

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Have always liked Dilbert cartoons as they skewer the idiocy of management.
This one is courtesy of Lockdown Sceptics web site....

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Just listened to a doctor, who was an adviser to one of the BigPharma companies so, presumably, no ‘conspiracy theorist’, demolish this stupid, unscientific, deceitful Government policy of PCR ‘testing‘ that is prolonging the agony for the rest of us.

Hope this link works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7w...ature=youtu.be

And surprise, surprise, guess what, Simon Dolan’s judicial review into the Govt’s lockdown policy has been delayed, again, because ONE of the Govt’s ELEVEN lawyers is on holiday.
As they comment on Lockdown Sceptics:
The convenience of the delay for the Government, which won’t risk its ludicrous measures being challenged for a further month, is more than a little suspicious, particularly when the speed with which Gina Miller’s Brexit appeal was heard shows what lawyers and judges can do when they really want to. Worried, Boris?

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1244746]Just listened to a doctor, who was an adviser to one of the BigPharma companies so, presumably, no ‘conspiracy theorist’, demolish this stupid, unscientific, deceitful Government policy of PCR ‘testing‘ that is prolonging the agony for the rest of us.

we have reached a situation now like brexit. the vast majority of the population have really made their minds up about the virus and nothing will change their minds. the fact is that the more you hear the more you are convinced to stay down the line of your thoughts. this virus just will never totally go away. its a good job many in this country and our government do not live in tropical climates with their deseases that their populations just have to carry on and live with.

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I think that the way this whole thing has been handled from the very start has been nonsensical, illogical and has shown a lack of rational thinking.
They keep telling us that this is an unprecedented situation...yet this year more people died from seasonal flu.
What has been unprecedented has been the way the situation has been managed.

The government locked us down for three months solid, but took no controlling measures over who was flying into the country....no temperature checks, no checks on where travellers were coming from, where they had been, whether they had been in viral hotspots.
They allowed all and sundry to enter unchecked.

Cases of the suspected disease were cared for in District General Hospitals....they should have been cared for in isolation units until it was confirmed or refuted that they had the virus....they should have been looked after by staff who only worked doing that job.
Testing has been a fiasco.
Yes the virus killed people(some died with the virus, rather than of it, but the government made mileage out of these statistics...this seriously dents the integrity of information) of it was the fixation with ventilating patients that maybe killed them.

In spite of there having Benn this pandemic, the death rate for ALL deaths is lower than it has been for the last five years. (From ONS statistics)
Is that incredible?
We keep being told that the figures are rising.....but is that because they are counting tests(and some of these are done on the same person more than once) and calling anpositive test 'a case' whether they have symptoms or not?
A positive test in the absence of symptoms is NOT a case....therenis also a high level of false positives.
We cannot meet up with members of our family, but we can go to the pub....as long as we go home before ten pm.....it is the illogicality of these rules that calls them into question.
It makes the rules much less likely to be followed.

Fewer people are dying from this virus, fewer people are being hospitalised(regardless of what Matt Hancock tells us....have you noticed he is quoting percentages rather than hard figures).....yet we are being forced into local lockdowns.
We really need to get on with life....we cannot hibernate forever.

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Oh I don't know, Hibernate,a seven letter word beginning H-b-----, could well be Hobgoblin,
sounds good to me.
Regards, Taddy.

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Thread wander....I was speaking to a chap yesterday and his son in la had given him a bottle of Hobgoblin and he said it tasted like beer should taste, but being a very occasional drinker...it went to his legs.
When he was telling me this I thought of you Taddy.

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Think you might have been overdoing the Hobby there mate, your numbers are all over the shop, unless of course you're refering to the number of brews you've had! :D

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Nothing wrong with Doctors & Nurses mate, many a young chaps flash of forbidden fruits was via that route! :D ;)


PS. Should you find yourself wandering round downtown Keighly at a loose end while your missus is demolishing your credit card, take an amble into the local Costa for a brew & ask for Amanda, she'll organise a brew for you. (Say Dave sent you, she's my mates Daughter & is proper chatty & friendly) so there you go, Trip advisor tip of the day. :)

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1244583]It’s a very unhealthy game they’re playing.

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It is indeed....and we will be reaping the rewards in the not too distant future.
(It is the mouldy on those masks that are the most worrying.....fungal lung conditions are impossible to cure, they can only be managed.....and are often life shortening and life changing conditions)

There are going to be more people killed by illness that is 'secondary' to the virus.....by that I mean the the deceased will not have had the virus, but will die from heart disease, undiagnosed or untreated cancers of all kinds and other nasty things because people find it difficult to get SEEN by a doctor....I mean really seen...not Skyped or zoomed.
Some illnesses can only be diagnosed by seeing patients in the flesh, palpating an abdomen or listening to the noises in the chest.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...d-science.html

I know this article is from main stream media, but Carl Heneghan was the professor that call Neil Ferguson's modelling of the pandemic int question.....and here he is again talking sense.

The government are taking advice from the wrong scientists.......you only need to look at Sweden(yes, I Know I have said it before) to see how things could have been.....how little disruption there has been in their lives.
They did none of what our inept government has done and yet they did not have dead bodies piled in the streets.

I never ever wanted to be Swedish in the past, but I do now!

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I think it might have been George Carlin who said.....
'Governments do not want an intelligent population, because people who can think critically, can't be ruled.
They want a population smart enough to pay taxes and just dumb enough to vote'

I think that is becoming patently clear.

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well folks another 6 months of restrictions for at this moment of time the 24th cause of deaths in the country. mind you once the flu season kicks in that number will go up as those who die of flu will have died of corona virus to just carry on with the present nonsence.

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MH...please don't get me started!

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There are in the SAGE group who advise the government on how to manage this fiasco(for that is what it is) who seem to have some conflict of interests.
For Example Prof Chris Whitty....in 2008 he was given $40million by none other than Bill Gates to spread the belief in vaccinations.
Prof Neil Ferguson, Oxford Imperial college(he of the half a million deaths scenario) received £184 million...again from Bill Gates...and the Imperial college is also tied up with the WHO(who hid the true cause and enomity of this virus for some time too, allegedly, protect China)
Patrick Vallance an ex director of Glaxo Smith Kline(big Pharma) chairs the SAGE group advises the UK on development and provision of vaccines.(also alleged to be in the pocket of Bill Gates).
Prof Van Tam...also has a long history of being in directorships of Smith Kline Beecham, Aventis, Roche...and a number of other large drug companies who have a huge interest in getting us all to savour their wares.
It goes on and on, but I am sure by now you are bored of it...and all this information is in the public domain.....it seems that all of these so called sccientists have a conflict of interest, by the very fact that all of them have had backgrounds in big pharma...and many of them have received huge lumps of money from Bill Gates.

So forgive me for thinking they have an axe to grind...a product to sell.

to me it stinks!
I told you not to get me started.

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https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/cov...nment-lockdown

this is a long read, but it is quite illuminating.

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Very interesting, even if only half of it is true it’s worrying.
The only predictable thing was that, before I searched for the author’s name, I knew, without any doubt, that she would be described in Wiki(lies)pedia as a “conspiracy theorist”. And guess what....?
Mandatory untested vaccines by March 2020 anyone?

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Well of course, all dissenters are labelled 'conspiracy theorists'....it is akin to calling someone racist and is designed to shut down any discussion on topics which are contentious.

How can something be a conspiracy when there are government records of what went on, or organisational records....like that of the Global preparedness conference...where every single thing that was mooted has come to pass.

Those who would inform those who,are cynical about the motives of governments around the world are smeared and discredited...like Judy Mikovits in the US.....and every time Vernon Coleman puts a video on YouTube, criticising or analysing the actions we are being subjected to...they disappear.
We are meant to be treated like mushrooms.....fed crap and kept in the dark.

Yougov did a poll and according to,the results it said that 78% of the population welcomed the stricter regulations......this yougov poll was different though...it was open and online.
Yougov usually select a balance of people being polled and the participation is by invitation only....to ensure (politically) unbiased results...but not this time.

All of this sets my cynicism radar off....please tell me that I am not on my own.

As observed by George Carlin....the government do not want people who can think....they just want sheep to follow the whistle.

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It seems like the mainstream media are picking up(very late) on the possibility of conflict of interest of one of the main SAGE advisors....Sir Patrick Vallance.....£000,000 from shares in the vaccine producer Wellcome.
I am sure that wellcome also have links to.......BILL GATES!
Is that a conspiracy as well?

Let us hope they look into the rest of the SAGE group too....Prof. van Tam, Sharon Peacock,
Maria Zambon, Jeremy Farrar Edward Mullins.....the list goes on....all of these have links to those who would benefit financially from the current situation.

Dominic Cummingg also has his fingerprints on this....as does Ben Warner.....interests in data mining and biotech firms....all are involved in deciding what we, the little people can do....and they are NOT interested in our health or our safety....just their own agendas.

Call me what you want...I will continue to try to give you information.(asi come across it)
What you then do with it is entirely up to you.

Post script....I have had this information for a number of months, but refrained from posting it because of the possibility of being labelled....but the ridiculous way things are going, I could not hang onto it anymore.

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I think the venal Vallance is a GSK plant.
But the Wellcome Trust is another on the vaccine gravy train - perhaps one of the more inappropriately named.
As they often say about any scandal, “follow the money”....

He’s not the only one on SAGE about to make moolah when Govts force millions to have untested vaccinations or lose their ‘rights’ to work, travel, university, health care, etc, etc,

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Here’s something from three years ago from that well known “conspiracy theory“ rag, the British Medical Journal....

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06...volving-doors/

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being a cynic at heart i agree with you. as for the general public being sheep its something that is not new by any means. years and years ago the majority of this country were royalists and followed the christian religeon. they attended their churches in large numbers. very few families did not posess a bible or any form of royal momentoes. if you were not one of these sheep you had to have your own facts and figures at hand, and even then you were thought of as a crank or not a very nice person. its just we have a different breed of sheep now.

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It seems like the more you dig the more you find......and much of this is in reputable non-conspiracy theory publications.
But it is harder to convince people they are being fooled than it is to fool them(Mark Twain...I might have paraphrased it a bit) so the tomfoolery continues apace....with public approval.

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that should read £600,000...sorry for the sausage fingers....and for not spotting it earlier.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrBu...ature=youtu.be
something else for you to consider.

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https://www.stress.org/open-letter-f...-belgian-media
This is an open letter written by Doctors and health care providers in Belgium.
It is a long read, but it covers much of what I have been posting....including the disappearance of dissenting opinions on social media platforms.
It also addresses the conflict of interests of those who have been making the policy decisions..
Please read it.

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And to show this is genuine here is the list of signatories.....and this will provide access to the original document.
https://docs4opendebate.be/en/signatories/

This is just prevent the conspiracy theory label.
When so many people...educated in the field of medicine feel the need to express their concerns in such a manner, the alarm bells should be ringing.
*huisarts means GP

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These figures are freely available from the ONS website....but you have to seek them out.
Daily Deaths:-
Cancer 450.
Coronary diseases 174
Stroke 99
Dementia 192
Covid19 21
The government do not want you to know this...they just want to tell you the figures who have tested positive...and in the absence of symptoms, these are not clinical cases.
Fear....the tool of coercion, the tool of control.

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has anyone looked at things the other way round. are the conspiracy theorists the present government advisors or the main stream media. things work both ways.

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You are right MH.....the governments of the world are using tactics that could be considered as terrorism, but they aren't because they are being done by governments.

Have you seen the antics that have gone on in the state of Victoria, Australia.The Nazi stormtroopers would have ben proud of the states' Premier Dan andrews for the way the police force took on dissenters.

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I wonder if Robert F Kennedy Junior is considered a 'conspiracy theorist'. and the answer to that is yes, he IS considered to be just that.
Why? because he is a dissenter...he is not keen to toe the party line so main stream media publications are smearing him and doing their best to discredit him.
This is the role of the mainstream med ia in this bun fight. They are not there to investigate...they are there to help ratchet up fear levels just a little bit more.
Robert F Kennedy spoke to a large gathering in Berlin just less than a month ago.
He is a respected lawyer...an educated man.
He clearly outlined the sinister agenda being played out by governments under the guise of Covid 19.
so if you consider me to be a conspiracy theorist...well, all I can say is....I am in good company!

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if you do not follow st.greta you are a climate change denier. you do not follow the government on the virus you are a conspiracy theorist. you do not kneel to the BLM you are a racist. people just cannot debate anything nowadays without those with alternative views having a lable put on you. all this seems to have started with the PC brigade and the ability from then on to speak your mind.

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I will continue to say it how I see it.
Really all those things stifle debate and while they bang on about diversity, they do not want diversity of ideas, they want conformity.
Conformity of ideas leads to stagnation of thought.....stagnation of thought means that you no loner think at all.
You just follow the party line......not for me.

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Rubbish i follow no party line at all i do what i think is correct.and do not slag the others off.

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Thought you were on the wrong post for a mo. i follow

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Cashy, that is because you know how to think for yourself...and continue to think for yourself...you are also very good at saying it how you see it.

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There isn't much fun about what is happening right now, but I saw thia nad just HAD to share it.

There are only four ways this lockdown can end...you will either come out of it a Monk, a chunk, a drunk or a hunk...so you had better choose wisely

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well a drunk outa the reckoning so is monk so have o be one of the other two.:D

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I am not sure what I will come out of this as.....can't be a monk,can't be a hunk.....won't be a drunk.....and as we are both on reduced rations, I hope not to be a chunk.....so I guess it will have to be a punk:)

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friar tuck could be the poster boy for the virus.

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Am Just out of hospital after a nasty respiratory infection - never a good time to be in hospital but probably not a better illness to be in with at present as they pulled out all the stops suspecting covid initially (doubt would have got so much attention with a fracture or other ailment) Anyhow - point is I had regular covid tests while there, five in all and proper covid tests are not pleasant ...one swab right down the back of the throat and another right up the nose until it's painful, thankfully all were negative. What I did realise though is the so called self testing kits are absolutely pointless as nobody except the odd masochist would be able to carry out the test properly ...maybe half might manage to shove the swab down their throat but hardly anyone would be able to shove the one so far up their nose till it pains themselves. The hospital staff agreed so what a complete waste of time and money those self testing kits are i Believe somebody put the failure rate at 93%. Why is this scandal not highlighted ?

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Even those used in hospital are not reliable...when I say that I mean that there are a lot of false positives because the tests are not specific to Covid 19....they may return a positive result from viral proteins that can be up to a year old(so a cold you had last august may result in a positive test result).

Much of the hoo-ha about the rising number of infections is not about people being ill...it is about people having POSITIVE tests(and one person may have three or four tests and each on will be recorded as if they were a seoarate person)...and a positive result in the absence of symptoms does not constitute a case of Covid 19.

So why would people without symptoms go and have tests...well if you need an investigation or have to visit a hospital for some form of treatment, then before this can be done you are required to have a test...if the test proves positive, your investigation/treatment is defeered untill you turn up a negative result....so the places where most testing is done will look like they are a hotbed of infection.

you don't find something unless you are looking for it.
Also what needs to be recognised is that the PCR test was never meant to be a diagnostic tool...even the man who invesnted it tells us that...and it was not meant to be a diagnostic tool because it has a poor level of reliability.

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Jimmy, meant to say...glad you are out of the hospital.
Hope you continue to improve every day.
Look after yourself.

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There is a situation called 'The False Positive Paradox'
The PCR test relies on genetic material from viruses...it requires a fair bit of DNA to determine a result....this means the material taken from a nose or a throaty needs to be amplified in order to get enough DNA to test.

The PCR test is also not specifically looking for the Covid 19 virus, it will pick up DNA particles from other viruses you may have had in the last 12 months...dead particles of old viruses.

The PCR test is unreliable because of this and has a false positive rate of 0.8 per cent.
This sounds very small.
This does not mean that it is 99.2 per cent accurate(that is what you would possibly assume)
When the prevalence of the virus is low...as it currently is there are a lot of false positives.
The more people who are tested, the more false positives will emerge.
If you tested 10,000 people with the PCR test when the prevalence of the virus is just 0.1 per cent, then you will get ten true positives and 80 false positive...90 cases.....with 80 having no symptoms at all.

This was explained to me by a medically qualified friend who understands all this far better than I do.
So more testing makes it look like there is a spike of infections, when really there is not.
It is just a case of a test that is not suitable for purpose....much like the scientists leading Boris by the nose.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245153]There is a situation called 'The False Positive Paradox'
The PCR test relies on genetic material from viruses...it requires a fair bit of DNA to determine a result....this means the material taken from a nose or a throaty needs to be amplified in order to get enough DNA to test.

The PCR test is also not specifically looking for the Covid 19 virus, it will pick up DNA particles from other viruses you may have had in the last 12 months...dead particles of old viruses.

The PCR test is unreliable because of this and has a false positive rate of 0.8 per cent.
This sounds very small.
This does not mean that it is 99.2 per cent accurate(that is what you would possibly assume)
When the prevalence of the virus is low...as it currently is there are a lot of false positives.
The more people who are tested, the more false positives will emerge.
If you tested 10,000 people with the PCR test when the prevalence of the virus is just 0.1 per cent, then you will get ten true positives and 80 false positive...90 cases.....with 80 having no symptoms at all.

This was explained to me by a medically qualified friend who understands all this far better than I do.
So more testing makes it look like there is a spike of infections, when really there is not.
It is just a case of a test that is not suitable for purpose....much like the scientists leading Boris by the n itable or not, Please explain what Option Him or any P.M. has apart from listen to them?

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dunno how that last comment ended up like it did.:confused::confused::confused:

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Well, I would have thought as Prime minister Boris would have the pick of the best scientists, rather than those who are currently giving advice...bearing in mind that the two top men have a conflict of interest because of their links with big Pharma.

Cashy, if you get ten scientists in room you can be sure there will be ten different opinions.
You cannot control this virus, you cannot put life on hold.
If you look at the figures of the deaths currently being registered....yesterday there were 17....there were 171 people in ventilatory beds(this does not mean they were being ventilated, some of the might have been, but others were in those beds in case they needed ventilating).....so what is all this about a spike in infections?
What percentage of the population do these figures constitute, because I was crap at maths....but I know that it is an infinitesimal per centage.....yet they are talking of even further restrictions.
My post was to show how we are being bamboozled, more than to take a poke at Boris.
If the PM can't get the best...then there is no hope for the rest of us is there?

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Thank you - will be resting up a few weeks (no change there then) and hope everyone here keeps well - it helps more mentally knowing there are so many who aren't falling for the official line.

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What is more galling is that any questioning of the official line is heavily slated, ridiculed, declared false or totally ignored. Increasingly people are being denied the right to question, disagree or oppose what they are saying and most seem happy to go along with it all

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Just to add a little humour...except......well, I will let you decide.
Funny or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uese...ature=youtu.be

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add to the unreliability of the test anyone who goes to be tested, get booked in and then leave before you are tested you,ll be classed as having a positive test. heard this from two people on different sides of the hill. if they wanted figures to be otherwise we all know what they would do then.

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Food for thought....read it before it disappears.

http://tapnewswire.com/2020/09/ultim...w-world-order/

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Did you get that?
This pandemic is planned to last until March 2025.

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and the moons made of green cheese.:rolleyes:

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So you have heard that too.
Well, I never!

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it will unless all the virus dissenters actually band together across this and every other country in an extinction rebellion type of thing to fight their cause. its pointless millions just either moaning and doing their own thing. would the blm movement have had as much publicity and possibly power with a few tweets and youtube videos.

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Twitter is removing tweets that are seen to be dissenting.

(People are notoriously bad at joining forces to do as you say...although there have been protests in London....and these are reported in derogatory terms.)

Information that tells it as it is(not as governments want us to believe) also disappears pretty quickly too.
I know that there are people who do not think this information is truthful, but we have been treated like mushrooms...fed manure and kept in the dark about the true motives....because the true motives are the dismantling of democracies, the removal of personal liberty and freedom and control mechanisms both of money and people.
Scary huh?

There are huge numbers of doctors who are questioning the validity of what is being done.....and not just here but in other countries too......are they all 'conspiracy theorists' or nutters, or the tinfoil hat brigade....or any other derogatory label attached to those who do not believe the government line?

I post stuff so that people can see what is being done without their consent(all backed up with official documents that the controllers do not really want you to see, but published before the crap hit the fan)...to inform.
What you do with that information is up to you

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Thanks for that Marge,I have printed it out for future reference.

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You are welcome Taddy.

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the last new world order only lasted between 1933 to 1945 but it caused loads of death and distruction.

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That wasn't the NWO mate, that was the "1000 Jahre Reich", only they ended up cutting it short due to management incompetence.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245235]

There are huge numbers of doctors who are questioning the validity of what is being done.....and not just here but in other countries too......are they all 'conspiracy theorists' or nutters, or the tinfoil hat brigade....or any other derogatory label attached to those who do not believe the government line?

add to that the number of doctors who are just keeping quiet in case of any future career problems they may encounter. just wonder anyway how people like whitty etc. have become experts anyway. could be the case like a lot who cannot do prectical work but are fine to teach and spout to others.

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Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance...leading members of the Scientific advisory group that leads the government in how to deal with the virus, both have had careers leading big pharma comapnies...in fact Chris whitty was the CEO of the company that is likely to be producing the vaccine that they want us to have.
He has 600 thousand quid in shares in that company, so he is going to be in the money as a result of all this hooha.
Which begs the question(I havbe asked this before) if he has a conflict of interest and should he really be in the position he is in...advising the government.
Many of those on the SAGE group have links to, or have been involved in, or paid by big pharma.
This information is out there for all to access...but no-one thinks it strange that these are the peole directing operation....and doing it badly.
And that in the end they will be nmaking big money out of what has been a disaster

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1245445]Well, it seems clear that Professor Ferguson became an ‘expert‘ by consistently getting his ‘projections’ wrong by massive amounts.
This is an extract from Lockdown Sceptics yesterday:

In 2001, Ferguson was involved in “modelling” for Foot and Mouth disease. Because of that some extra seven million sheep and cattle were slaughtered that needn’t have been.

In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would die from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, better known as “mad cow disease”, increasing to 150,000 if the epidemic expanded to include sheep. The reality is: “Since 1990, 178 people in the United Kingdom have died from vCJD, according to the National CJD Research & Surveillance Unit at the University of Edinburgh.” (2017)

In 2005, Ferguson claimed that up to 200 million people would be killed by bird-flu or H5N1. By early 2006, the WHO had only linked 78 deaths to the virus, out of 147 reported cases.

In 2009, Ferguson and his team at Imperial College advised the Government that swine flu or H1N1 would probably kill 65,000 people in the UK. In the end, swine flu claimed the lives of 457 people in the UK.

In 2020… well, the rest is hysteria.

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Exile, I am flattered that you attributed that post to me, but ti was Monkey Hanger....and I answered it with the information about the sage group.

I would categorise Neil ferguson as a bumhole....well except there is some use in a bumhole...this man is only useful as a failure and a very bad example of what happens when you let someone who is inept, play with algorithms...because that is all he was doing...he was not really engaging his thought processes.
this is what IT folk call a SISO.....sh!t in, sh!t out

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Slowly, very slowly, perhaps things will change.
These ‘scientists’ are exactly the ones we should listening to, not the catastrophists, modellers, and Pharma plants who seem to have infected politicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_Z...ature=youtu.be

Here’s their declaration page.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

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I noticed today that the front page of The Daily Mail has a lead article that tells of over 4000 medical professionals scientists, virologist and epidemiologists have signed a declaration saying that lockdowns are not just ineffective but create long term harm.
I cannot find this in the online version.
Do you think these learned men and women will have any effect on our flaccid government...or any governments, because these are scientists from all over the world?

Another article states that Matt Hancock says that Cancers won't. E treated unless we get Covid under control.

I have news for Matt Hancock.....NOTHING IS BEING INVESTIGATED.
NOTHING IS BEING TREATED the NHS has been paralysed not by the virus, but by fear of the virus.
Stop listening to the doom and gloom brothers(Whitby and Vallance) if their plan has not worked after six months, it is time to change the plan.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245489]
Do you think these learned men and women will have any effect on our flaccid government...or any governments, because these are scientists from all over the world?

a quick answer is a big NO. if they did it would completely lose face and careers of some would quickly come to an end. never forget the ferguson bloke, if he hadn,t done a paddy ashdown then he,d still be on the top table and we could be in a bigger mess than we are in if thats possible.

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This declaration is the one mentioned in the video that Exile has posted....and the link under the video shows the declaration in full...it is common sense, but alas it has come too late....and is still not being heeded.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1245492]I think that if these scientists and medics had done this on their own then, yes some of them may have been 'cancelled(that is the current term for such a thing)....but when over 4000 respected academics, scientists and professors come together and raise the issue(as they have been doing since March) then it is far harder to ignore.

Many of the people who have signed this declaration have expertise in the fields of virology, epidemiology, public health, so they have a better overview....a better concept of how to manage the issues.

Sweden had NO lockdown....and they have had no greater death rates, and no disruption to their local economies(yes, their economy has been affected by global issues).

I have been a dissenter from the outset.....I could see where things were being badly managed......like no block on people coming into the country from overseas....no health check for those coming into the country those with possible Covid infections being nursed in District General Hospital rather than designated isolation units.
Sending elderly patients into this environment for some other reason and then discharging them back to care homes with the infection, but not notifying the care home(that, in my opinion constitues a criminal offence).
Counting positive tests in the absence of symptoms, but calling them cases.
PCR tests fiasco(both using PCR for diagnosis and the fiasco of tests not being available...either through lack of staff in laboratories or at test sites.

The people who govern our country are supposed to be intelligent people....with educations that I could never dream of, yet they seem to have no concept of joined up thinking.
And please, please do not tell me that this was an unprecedented situation.
That it was is of no doubt, but many many common sense measures could have been employed to ensure we did not get into the mess we are in now.

Note....the quote is from Monkey Hanger in response to a post of mine...just so you know I am not replying to my own posts.

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Here is the article from the Mail....the figure of scientists, medics and professors has risen to 6000 now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ignatures.html

When it hits Main Stream Medis, then it has to be taken account of.....the dissenters cannot be ignored when they form such a large group.....the declaration has 50,000 supporters worldwide and this number is growing.

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Very interesting chat with Dr. Malcolm Kendrick, who writes some excellent stuff on his own web site.
It’s a long chat but I found it all very illuminating - from a real doctor, who deals with real people, not some academic computer modeller or lying/ignorant politician.

If you don’t have the time or attention span, I found the latter bit from about 45 minutes of value. Some great, simple advice about how to reduce the already very, very low chances of catching a cold or flu this winter.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-za...HuoMorJVI.html