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remember that tv programme waiting for god. i always fancied myself being the graham crowden character. you sound if the stephanie cole one would be right up your street.

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Oh, goodness gracious me....you've got it in one.(yes, yes....I could play her very easily)
That I am so transparent is a bit of a worry though.

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its far better to play those two roles than the ones of the dodgy slimeball owner or his little sad yes woman of his assistant.

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Watch out, the Lockdown Gestapo are on their way for you.

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Its a shame George Orwell isn't still around, I feel sure the current situation would prompt him to write something that would be worth reading.

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well ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362#

Separate households will not be allowed to meet indoors in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire from midnight, the government has announced.

Millions of people in Greater Manchester, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Hyndburn, Pendle, Rossendale, Bradford, Calderdale, Kirklees will be affected by the tightening of restrictions.

good luck

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It's enough to drive you to drink isn't it?

See you all down the pub later,

:rolleyes:

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This is just crazy, it's obviously been brought in because of the Eid celebrations this weekend but what they mean is going to the pub is ok as Eid won't be celebrated there - racist without appearing racist, nice one Boris!!

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just take a look at all the areas that are mentioned on top of leicester. the clue is there where the majority of a certain race live mainly in certain areas. mind you if they thought it was that serious why didn,t they shut all pubs etc. that was the norm only a few weeks ago.

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doubt even him or anyone else could have made up the stuff thats happening and thinking nowadays.

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And you can guarantee he’d be dismissed as a ‘conspiracy theorist‘ by the entire main stream media.

Btw, the WHO and all its global elite agencies and foundations were precisely the people who DID think this up.
In 2005 195 governments signed up to a WHO agreement to ‘test’ global health preparedness at some point in the future.
A couple of years ago Dr. Fauci guaranteed the world that “there will be a surprise pandemic”!
In 2019 a global pandemic was ‘gamed’ by global agencies.
Earlier this year, at a televised press conference, the US Secretary of State let slip that “we are in the middle of a live exercise”, which prompted his President to mutter “I wish you told us”!*
And, so, in 2020, we have the U.K. government overturning its own post-Shipman law to allow doctors to certify as the cause of death anyone who died as dying from Covid WITHOUT ANY MEDICAL EVIDENCE.
And, despite what we hear constantly from the MSM, this year is the EIGHTH worst for U.K. deaths in the last 27 years!

But, hey, we can all trust scientists, pharmaceutical companies, politicians, and the BBC not to lie to us. Surely?

* oh, dear, the video of that press conference has been deleted. Wonder why?

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most sensible people know damn well why the reason is, but dare not say so cos the clowns will scream racist. but its far from that its common sense.

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Exactly!

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But you can still access a PDF of the document that documents all of this.
I might just post a link....except I would be labelled as a conspiracy theorist....all to shut down any logical discussion.

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https://reliefweb.int/report/world/w...l-preparedness

This is the document that outlines what Exile pointed out.
This Plandemic has been in the making since 2005.....and primarily it was planned to check how the population would react to Bioweaponry/Biowarfare.

It documents the this has to be auctioned before September of 2020....and that the plandemic would occur as a result of a leak from a laboratory.

The World Bank, the World Health Organisation are all in the clutches of Bill Gates(who frighteningly) wants the whole world to be vaccinated.
it is interesting to note that China took out a patent on the Coronavirus the day after it was reported to be transmissible to humans.
Please note things that occur naturally cannot be subject to patent.
There has to be a scientific modification to allow for it to be 'owned'.....so what does this tell you?
The other worry is that ALL manufacturers of vaccines are immune from legal challenges....this means they cannot be challenged over the effectiveness...or if you or your children suffer from side effects or damage as a result of the vaccine(this would be very difficult to prove conclusively as the big pharmacy would hide all the data.

Please check section 13 of the inserts in the vaccine packages(this is easy to do online).
There is NO vaccine that has been tested to ensure that it does not cause cancer. Or that it does not cause genetic mutation....many state that the effects on fertility are undetermined.
Some vaccines omit section 13 altogether.

These new DNA/RNA vaccines have never been tested on humans.
They use genetic material from more than one species and this will be given to humans without randomised controlled trials having been carried out...these are the bedrock and foundations of good science...but they are not going to be done.
Why might this be then?
Well, I am sure you can draw your own conclusions.
Every time a doctor or scientist puts this information out....it is removed....they do NOT want you to know ANY of this.

Now if that doesn't worry you....then I worry for you.

And for those who tell me that some diseases have been eradicated as a result of vaccination....yes I know this.....but some of these were years ago, and vaccines have changed beyond all recognition

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If you read all that...you deserve a putty medal.

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they would rather let us all make our own minds up for the causes and reasons due to one section of the community that this has happened. would have been much better to actually come out and said asians in the first place. well the snowflakes will be busy anyway on facebook etc. to find out which country kirklees and hyndburn are in.

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NewsBreak 81: CONFIRMED: COVID-19 Plandemic a Known, Live ?Training & Simulation Exercise? under WHO (Drill) ? Philosophers Stone

Watch this....this lady explains much of what is in the PDF without you having to read it.
Watch it now before it disappears.

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And any of you out there who are calling me a 'nutter'....or telling me to get my tin foil hat out....well, it matters not to me.
I have given you information....do with it what you please.
If this stuff keeps being posted by concerned doctors and scientists....but then it disappears.
Does that not start alarm bells ringing?
Has this not stunk of a set up from the start?
If your answer is No to both of these questions.....then you are deluding yourself.
This is a huge experiment in control of populations.....manufactured fear makes you docile and malleable because you think that government has your interests at heart.
It doesn't!

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These latest bouts of Government panic, not just in the U.K., appear to be based on an increase in the number of tested CASES of Covid infections. Not deaths.

Notwithstanding that we now know that more or less anyone who has died in the last six months has been classified as dying ‘from’ Covid (in the USA it was because hospitals were paid more for each such recorded death, in the U.K. because the Govt instructed doctors to do it), deaths are not increasing.

But there is an equally serious question around the reliability of testing and there are many who claim that testing is totally bogus.

Early trials in Tanzania found goats, sheep, and paw paw fruits infected with Covid 19 (the paw paw survived :rolleyes:). The CDC in the USA even admitted some of its test kits were themselves infected before there were sent out.

But, more alarming, are the opinions of doctors and medics (who are either not allowed on the MSM or have their web posts taken down) who suggest these so-called Covid tests produced up to 50% false positives and, even worse, they react to the common cold and flus.

Attached is the opinion of just one such medic. There are others.
It may suggest why so many positive tests are being found and why we have heard so much about the so-called ‘asymptomatic’ cases, where people with absolutely no symptoms of this allegedly KILLER disease actually have it.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufa...vid-19/5707781

But, if you’re happy to believe everything you hear from the MSM, trust big pharma and the ‘science’ that it funds, then stay home, stay away from other people, and, like most of the ‘scientists’ and Foundation billionaires behind all this, you’d be wise to buy shares in vaccine companies.

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The recently released statistics for deaths locally show absolutely NO RISE in numbers in spite of the Plandemic.

In the USA they provided three years worth of statistics that covered deaths from any cause.....for the period Jan-may.....in 2018 there were 987thousand.
In 2019 there were just over a million. In 2020 the figures were 835 thousand and this time span encompasses the pandemic....it really does not compute.
These are government figures too.

BillGates tried to get governments to sign up to untested and as yet unmade vaccines for diseases as yet unidentified....this was so that vaccines could be given at a greatly discounted costs to third world countries.

Children in third world countries have been vaccinated against water borne diseases......it would be cheaper to provide safe water supplies, but this would not provide profits for the big pharmaceutical companies.....also these vaccines may cause other diseases later down the line...20-30 years in the future....still this means more money for big pharma to treat these illnesses.

It is akin to the rat catcher putting a pregnant rat back into premises he has just cleared...a guarantee of business in the future.

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Here’s an interesting article from Business Insider (not yet considered a conspiracy theory organ).
It suggests that, between 1986 and 2014, the cost of an American child's full immunization schedule rose from $100 to more than $2,000, and amount the federal government spends on vaccines increased 15-fold during that same period.
But don’t worry, if you read down to the end, the drug companies have reassured everyone they don’t want to make a profit, just cover their costs. Bless ‘em.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...op=1&r=US&IR=T

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Margaret...
VERY interesting,
VERY informative,
VERY convincing lady,

VERY worrying,
VERY frightening,

As you have said yourself, on previous posts, we oldies have not much longer to survive on this earth, but, of course, we do worry what kind of world our grandkids & great grandkids will inherit.

Thank you for posting the link!

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Kitchener...I am not here to convert anyone to my opinions....we all have the brains to choose what to believe and for us oldies, the life experience to be able to deduce when something does not add up. This pandemic certainly does not add up.

This stuff really scares me...not for my life or future(there is not much left on the roll) but for the future of our children and their children.

Dabbling with our DNA/RNA means that we are going to be genetically modified....and who knows what that may mean for future genreations...or for the human race as a whole, if |Bill Gates gets his way and persuades governments to make vaccinations mandatory.
We are leaving future genrations with a parlous future in economic terms, without saddling them with the health issues that I fear these vaccines will deliver(and have delivered in third world countries where children have been used as guinea pigs....and the big pharma are given indemnity against litigation) the information is out there if you seek it out.

Please do not be bamboozled into having something that has not been adequately tested....and question what you are being told.
We really do need to wake up.

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13 NONCLINICAL TOXICOLOGY 13

This is section 13 in all vaccine packages.

If you look down the list there are NO vaccines that have been assessed for their carcinogenic(cancer causing) potential...none have been assessed as to their possibilities of causing mutations and most of them have not been assessed on their affects on fertility

Some vaccines omit section 13...which means they aren't telling their findings.

How can pharmaceutical companies encourage the use of vaccines that have not been assessed as to their dangers for future health issues?
Well, that is easy to answer...whatever health issues are caused in the future...it will be KERCHING for Pharma...and they know that they have immunity against legal cases being brought against them...so for them it is win-win.

Don't take my word for it...check it out while you still can.
Big Pharma don't want you to know this and will soon lobby to have the information removed so that you remain in the dark.

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And that is so easily done nowadays, just tell 'em there's no such thing as a gay marraige then watch the fur & feathers fly, they really do need to get thicker skins ....... oh 'hang on a min, you didn't mean those fairies .... ah, right! ;)

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No Son...I meant the bluebell fairies, but that does not mean you are wrong.

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Just an update on this.....the figures for deaths LOCALLY have not only NOT RISEN.....they have actually FALLEN...yet we are subjected to more control measures.

Something very funny going on...and I do not mean funny Ha-ha.

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The new raft of localised restrictions....does it make any sense at all?

We can go to the pub, we can eat out, but I am not permitted to visit my daughter and her family in their home.

I can mingle with those who are an unknown quantity, but cannot legally be in the company of family, whose health I know inside out(a daughter who has not been outside her house since October, two children who have not been out in social settings since the end of March.....and a son in law who wears PPE in his work environment.).

We have observed the restrictions, social distanced, gone shopping infrequently and for very short periods of time.

It seems to be something of a knee jerk reaction....the Covid numbers maybe up, but then the more you test and the more you find.
Add to this the fact that the local death rate from any cause has fallen.

I am not impressed.

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The latest development is to reinstate the lockdown for all those over the age of Fifty.....but this time there will be personal risk evaluations. The older you are and the more health issues you have will mean your risk rises accordingly.
This is a complicated issue...
Who are going to do these risk evaluations and how is this going to be policed???

Are we going to be self declaring....because if we are I will be declaring that I am fit, healthy and only thirty five, because that is how I feel....and though I am 73 I am fitter than people half of my age.

I did not relish the original lockdown and since it eased I have gone out far less and for less time....I have not used public transport, I have done far more than I have felt was necessary.
So if the lockdown is reinstated I might not observe it.

The local level of death has fallen....and that is deaths from ANY cause.
We are being collectively hoodwinked and subjected to the most damaging social control experiment.
We are being robbed of our freedom.
Now I know that there will be some who don't see this....but this is how I read it.

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Wel, I'll be one of the first over fifties they force into isolation because I'm sick...

...and tired of the way it is being handled, not one sensible non-confusing rule has been passed on to we the suffering public since they allowed pubs to open.
Do you suppose they spend the day propping up the bar and then throw some drunken thought our way just before pouring themselves into a taxi and going home?

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Less...I don't know how they work it out.
your way seems as good as any and for them it is pleasurable...but for us it is demoralising, frustrating and breeds discontent.

Is it that they want to see how far they can drive us before we start a revolution.

All that said I read some opinions in inline papers and there are some people who seem to want to have their freedoms taken away.
I feel like a 12 year old who has been grounded, but I have done nothing wrong...well unless they have been reading my rebellious posts that question their sanity(I was going to say wisdom...but the closest some of these experts come to wisdom is still having their teeth and using a Wisdom toothbrush)

Less there is no cure for what we've got...neither is there a vaccine.

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I like this doctor’s pieces, he writes in plain language.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/0...fear/#comments

But even more interesting are some of the web links within the comments from other people.
Here’s one that confirms Dr. Kendrick’s assertion that, in England at least, you can never recover from Covid.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no...tical-anomaly/

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so yer now now believing the media?cos thats who is saying this as far as i'm aware.:rolleyes:

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I am reporting what the media are saying(A couple of weeks ago Michael Gove assured us that masks would NOT be mandatory, two days later it was announced they would be....by Boris)....and where is this coming from?

Well, it is supposed to be from Government....that Boris is considering what is termed a 'nuclear option'.
That he has put our locality into a lockdown says much Cashy.....the figures for deaths in the area from ANY cause have fallen.
So what is all this about?
It is about instilling fear and exerting control.
It is not about keeping us safe.

There is no logic to what is being done.
How is it I can go to a pub.....a place where the other customers are an unknown quantity?
I can go and have a meal in a restaurant....in fact from tomorrow we are being offered inducements to do so....again this is a place where I can be in close enough contact to someone I don't know....whose health I don't know.....but if I want to visit my daughter and her family....this is illegal.

In spite of the fact that she has not been out of her house since October, and her children have not been out since March.
I have been out, but infrequently, I have observed social distancing and hand washing, but have not used masks.
How does the possibility of this new edict make sense?
People have been going to the beach, they have been having rave ups, there has been another protest where there was no social distancing......the last protests did not produce a spike in cases of Covid ...it is all knee jerk stuff.
We are being lied to, bamboozled.
It is easier to dupe someone than it is to convince them that they are being duped....someone famous said that and my goodness it is so true!

And if it does come to pass, as the media are saying it will, then I won't be following these half assed rules

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think a lot of the nonsense surrounding the virus can be described covid bull**** baffles brains. from the outset i have stretched the rules and regs behind it with well thought out reasons for doing so. in full house arrest i still drove a few miles up the moors to exercise myself and my dogs. i stretched the hour without decimating the whole population of the worth valley. now i have banned myself from shops as i do not use public transport anyway. then i hear of the stories of the virus being put on death certificates of termanly ill cancer patients. only this morning on our way back from our walk i took her in the kitchen down to aldi where you are now confronted by traffic lights outside the shop. green for entry etc. next thing there will be a mini roundabout outside the entry exit doors to regulate the way you walk back to your car. not one for conspiracy theories but it makes you wonder if there is more behind these restrictions than just a virus for our future lives. positive tests going up but deaths are going down. you couldn,t make it up if you tried.

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ah but yeh didnt say if it comes to pass? yeh stated like it was now fact? that to me is believing the media.

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You must have a posh Aldi MH, at ours we've still just got someone on the door telling us when we can go in - traffic lights would be nice :)

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That is because it was how it is being reported Cashy.
Things have been reported in this way and then they have happened...a bit like the local council saying 'we will undertake a consultation exercise' but then go ahead and rubber stamp the issue without ever listening to a dissenting voice.
You cannot avoid the media...it is one of the driving forces of this current situation....and I think it is easier to believe the things that are going to remove more freedoms from a scared population.

That there is no sense or logic to it makes me believe it will be done.
The less sense and logic seems to be how those in the driving seat decide things.

I am just utterly fed up of the whole inglorious mess...and I will not be doing anymore staying home....I object to having my life stolen by government...if it gets stolen by the virus then I lived my life...I did not cower behind the sofa like a five year old afraid of the bogeyman.

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i also go out shoping and with the dog, its just a matter of using common sense to me. also the main reason things are getting worse is the idiotic young people pleasing themselves and not giving a stuff for anyone else. thats the society the snowflakes have created imho,

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You are right Cashy....they feel invincible, but it will not be them who are put into lockdown.
They will continue to do what they have done all along.....an there will be nothing done.

All that said, today is the day we should be looking at a freer way of life...a relaxation of the knee jerk actions of a government that seems to have little grasp of what is going on....that has been complicit in publishing figures of infections and deaths that have to be bogus.....they certainly do not add up.
When this gross misrepresentation is spotted by academics who are not part of SAGE or the government machine, it is described as a 'statistical anomaly'.

No-one in England EVER recovers from Covid....it doesn't matter if you die in ten years time...if it was suspected that you ever had the virus...that will be on your death certificate.

Now surely the motives for such actions are suspicious.
The biggest global con job in the history of man....I hate being duped.

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Common sense is not a plant that grows well in everyone's garden Cashy.....and it certainly is not common.

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Very rare, just as rare as finding someone willing to speak out against this current madness.

https://apple.news/AsvSTnvzDQ2eExvW-jL4rFg

Course, he had to go to the US to find a channel willing to countenance such thought-crime and the latter part of his rant is about American politics. But it seems to resonate here as well in many ways.

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that man is saying what some of us have been thinking for a long time(and some of us have been voicing it too).
I agreed with everything he said but it also made me angry, turned my screw... at how we have all been played like a fiddle...how we have submissively accepted what we have been told with barely a murmur, by people who we have been told are experts.

I really do despair for the future because its fabric has been irreparably damaged

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Interesting stuff from Professor Carl Heneghan the Oxford based professor of Evidence Based Clinical Medicine....and one of the team who cast doubt on the figures being published by PHE.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-...ing-heres-why/

Have a read of that.

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just heard that the so called expert scientists have stated a second virus outbreak in december. not november or january but december. shortly we will get a prediction on the actual day it will start in that month.

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that sums it up for me. at least i will not be dying of worry giving me a heart attack if i fail to follow even one government law or advice.

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Yet another statistical analysis that will be totally and deliberately ignored by our new masters - the medical media complex.
And so this morning’s BBC Radio 4 news led with some French catastrophist computer modeller who had run 12 different scenarios around the mythical second spike (no questioning of a spike of what - deaths or cases) and guess which one got the headline news? Of course, the worst case.

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Why are people not questioning the motives of governments who misrepresent information?
(This is a huge con job, but everyone just puts on a mask and does as they are told)

I dare not put onto the form what I think is happening...but it has all been carefully planned or how would Antony Fauci be able to,predict a 'surprise' pandemic ( this was at a conference a few years ago...if you are interested you can find it on the net).....plandemic is more like it.
And why would China apply for a patent for this virus?(it has to have been engineered for it to need a patent.
It all smacks of some nasty stuff going on.

This is a social experiment in controlling the population.
Come back MargaretR.....all is forgiven

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1242821]



This is a social experiment in controlling the population.

the sad or annoying thing about it is that the government are winning. those decenters like us and alex bellfield on his youtube channel are now the ones who some will decide are the nut jobs. in years gone by information has been put out in doing this or that to attempt to lower deaths from other illnesses. apart from the no smoking one they have met with little success. some live in constant fear of corona where they have never feared before in their lives. thanks government and your pet scientist of the day you are close to winning.

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The more information that the likes of we, the ordinary people, can put out(with the relevant back up of dociments to corroborate what we are saying0 the more chance there is of the information being taken note of.

Mainstream media, broadcasters are not our allies or our friends, they are just promoting the 'party' line(and before you tell me it is not about a political party...yes, I know this...but the aims ARE political)

I will keep asking questions, I will keep doubting what I am told(because the figures do not add up and I have not lost my ability to analyse what I am being asked to accept)
I will continue to put any information out there by whatever means are at my disposal.
The more I see and the more I am sure that it is easier to fool people than to show them that they have been fooled.

It is up to people with minds of their own to draw their own conclusions once they have the information,,,you cannot make an informed choice if the information you are fed is bogus.
You have to ask WHY.....?
What are the motives?
whatever they are, there is a sinister feel to them.
I don't think I am alone in these deductions.

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No, Margaret, you are not alone.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...en-terrorised/

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i dont honestly give a stuff oer any of these declarations whoever they are from, in fact i rarely read them these days getting by the best i can in this is simple to me, i just use common sense and hopefully that will do, if anyone actually knew what they were saying was correct i would.

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Cashy, just getting by...that is not enough.
You have got to a stage in your life when you should be able to enjoy your leisure.
Now I know that you and your good lady will have been inconvenienced by the fact that you can no longer do things that give you pleasure.
Your travel plans have been curtailed.....meaning that your enjoyment is also much reduced.
This after a lifetime of working for the good of this country and bringing up a family.
You,(and I do hope you don't mind me saying this) are getting towards the end of your life...and yet the powers that be do not feel you have the sense to take care of yourself...they want to nanny you, they want to take away your independence, they want to control what you do and how you do it...from how you shop to the way they control the money in your pocket.
This current situation is a move to make our society cashless( remember whoever controls the money, controls you) a cashless society is one that is tracked...under surveillance.

The currency of the powers that be is not 'common sense' because generations have been dumbed down.
They only know the currency of control and each freedom we relinquish is one step nearer them getting control.
Fear is the currency of control...and that has been delivered in spades

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i do enjoy my life by not giving a stuff about all this crap.

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You cannot hide from the incessant media...it is on every station, every broadcast...and every time you venture out you are reminded that we are living in very strange times...you cannot have any kind of social contact....this is damaging to our mental health'
(Ah, now you are saying...'so that has what made this nutty old bird battier than ever')

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But you have been inconvenienced...haven't you?
You are right it IS crap, but it is crap that you cannot hide from, it can't be eliminated from your life...well that is unless you live on a remote scottish island with no WIFI...or in a cave somewhere.


I do give a stuff about it, because it is damaging the future for our children and their children, financially, socially, emotionally and more people will lose their homes, their livelihoods and their place in life..and that HAS to be a concern.

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Calm down girl, you need a break, take some time out, sit down, relax, read a magazine.

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a concernto people that bother maybe,certainly not a concern of mine.;)

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Less, do you mean the latest copy of Vogue?

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Back copies would all be new to me so there's a plethora of choice.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1242843] unless you live on a remote scottish island with no WIFI...or in a cave somewhere.


mind you we have turned our house into a cave and have declared our own independence from corona.

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trouble is exile how many people read that stuff or now even want to do so. there will be a few desenters but on the whole they have been brainwashed by the media in believing all the scare stuff. just wonder if an election was due this year then the government may have put a different slant on stuff.

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Aye, maybe, but then the Government and the media and all the metropolitan luvvies thought exactly the same about the referendum. The Govt even spent £9m of our taxes trying to brainwash everyone from day one.
There are more sensible people than the media would have you think.
We just have to stand up against nonsense when we see or hear it.

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Blackburn, Darwen and Hyndburn were subjected to localised lockdown measures last Thursday night.....and yesterday it was reported that there had been only ONE Covid death in the region in the last two weeks....and that was yesterday.

So why the local lockdown.

The scarifying figures are bogus.

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is it not how many have got it when tested thats the main thing?

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That may be the criteria that they are using. Obviously the more they test the more they will find Cashy...and those in Blackburn were directed to get tests even if they were sympromless.

A lot of tests returned as positive in the US because the tests were contaminated(not that there has been any report of that here).

We have to get on with life...we have to go about our daily doings, not cower in a corner somewhere.
Given the chance I would be out and about right now.
For those who are fearful, then the answer is to shield themselves...get shopping delivered, don't go out...but if you can go to a gym, or to a pub...or to eat out then it makes no sense to be locked away on an age basis.(though it does look like the government is now doing a U turn on that possibility.

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i would assume it is margaret, to me the more that have it the more the chance of it spreading.

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The more that have it with no symptoms means that there is a chance of developing immunity to it.
Obviously if you have other conditions you still need to take the right kind of precautions...which is what the majority of people have been doing.

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We’ve (sorry, I mean they) have subtly move from reporting deaths (and it’s now pretty well accepted that these were sensationally over-estimated by dodgy death certificate records) to reporting cases.
All we hear now is about cases. 15 cases in Aberdeeen - close the place down.
Clearly now there are so few deaths (certainly not enough to call it a ‘demic’ never mind the pan), the mobilised medical machine has turned its attention to cases.
A question remains about the reliability of the tests. Some claim 5O% false positives, less sceptical reports suggest 10% are unreliable. Some say the tests react to other virus we carry round with us all the time, not least ‘common’ cold and flu.
Who knows, but we will certainly never be told while the ‘test’ paradigm allows politicians, medical theorists, computer modellers, behavioural scientists (sic), media machines to continue with their game playing with our lives and livelihoods.

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There are a growing number of medical professionals who are questioning the theory that a second wave is on the cards in the next two weeks.
There are even some medical professionals that are saying that this is not the illness that it has been portrayed as...that many people will have had it and not known they have had it...but they do not make the main stream media....Why might that be?
Well, I leave you to draw your own conclusions about that.

What is known is that the corona virus has impacted on other serious ailments like heart disease, stroke and cancer treatments,
It is thought that 1,750 people died as a result of the problems caused by the lockdown....not the virus...but the lockdown which meant access to services was much reduced or even denied.
Something in the region of 190,00(figures from the BHF) heart scans were missed because resources were diverted...and this may lead to long term consequences...creating death indirectly caused not by the virus, but by how the situation was managed.

An independent inquiry is already saying that one of the biggest governmental mistakes was to let people into the country without any quarantine requirements at the start of the fiasco(I think I might have mentioned that I thought that was where there were major issues...but then I am not a member of the SAGE team).

Telling us it was an 'unprecedented event' doesn't cut it.
Common sense would tell you that you can stop infections by stopping people coming into the country and importing it....rocket science it aint.

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...356-8/fulltext
A study from THE LANCET.

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Food for thought, especially when The Lancet (not, I would assume, known for sensationalism or conspiracy theories) states:
As early as Feb 14, 2020, fear-inducing language was noted in the media.

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Yes....there were other publications which carried this information, but they did not have the gravitas that the lancet has....a publication that is for medical professionals and the work done by respected medical professionals.

I am not a natural rebel....and I do not wish to be seen as promoting stuff that could be construed as 'conspiracy theory' stuff.
What I have been reading and watching (from knowledgeable people with accepted credentials, yet not being given a platform for their concerns) really scares me.

It feels like sleepwalking into a minefield full of dangers.
You cannot make an informed choice if the information that you are being fed is at best, unreliable...or at worst, calculated to deceive.

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All in all it's not as bad as they make it out to be, I had a case of "Corona" on Saturday which I went sharesys on with a German mate, 6 bottles a piece. No worries, think the thing that give us a kicking & put us at "deaths door" was some dodgy "Schnapps" we had that some owd geezer brews up on his allotment! :D

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doubt the article will get any air time in the media. we all know why.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1242893]We’ve (sorry, I mean they) have subtly move from reporting deaths (and it’s now pretty well accepted that these were sensationally over-estimated by dodgy death certificate records) to reporting cases.

when the do report on the X number of cases confirmed you get the impression that all these cases are just waiting to meet an unmasked grim reaper just around the door. when buses used to run with passengers those 12 cases in aberdeen are really just one average tea time bus queue at one stop on one route in the city.

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A couple of interesting pieces that seem, to me, to have a connection.

First, this lady is dismissed by the establishment as a ‘conspiracy theorist’, but I like her chutzpah. In this piece she quotes a lot from a rather wordy academic study, but stick with her and you may get the point of her argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

And more sense from Spiked today.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...id-blame-game/

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The official figures for deaths from the virus are about to be changed.
They have been over inflated from the start.

And as for the local testing situation.....well, not knowing how many people have been tested, alongside the positive results makes the local figures bogus too.
That is like saying a hundred per cent of people in a survey say the government is doing well without telling us that only five people were asked the question.....you need to know how many were tested to work out a percentage number of the infection in the area.

We are being fed duff statistics in the attempt to keep us ignorant of the true situation.

The local death figures from ANY cause have fallen.....surely that says something in a time of Pandemic.

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I have watched a few of the videos produced by Polly....all give food for thought and cause for concern.

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this blame game culture has been around us for awhile now. it seems to have reached a new high now. if things ever get back to normal i can see us being accosted in the streets and emails a plenty from the no win no fee brigade. did you or your family contract the virus. if so who or where was it contracted from.

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What else are we allowed to do today...?

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

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I have added my name to this.

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more increases of face muzzle wearing introduced. museums etc. where will the next places they,ll be introduced.

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The local lockdown continues.
With Preston added for good measure.
There has been a 'spike' of local cases with 58 people being diagnosed with this virus in East Lancs....58 cases.
I wonder what that is in percentage terms.
The population of Blackburn is 117 thousand, in Burnley it is 87 thousand, Accrington has 81 thousand, Darwen has 31 thousand.....but 58 cases is seen as a spike.

They are having a laugh at our expense.

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I am not wearing a face mask anywhere.

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If it was 58 cases from Preston’s current population of 328,158 that’s (ready?) 0.0177%.
OMG, we’re all doomed.
What a bunch of bed-wetters we’ve become in this country.

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If toilet rolls are anything to go by there could be a run (ouch) on sheets, get yours now while stocks last.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/..._AC_UY218_.jpg

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No it was not Preston it was Blackburn, Darwen, Pendle(which is the Burnley area) and Rossendale.(Darwen and Rossendale recorded ZERO cases)

More testing stations are being opened in Blackburn and people are being encouraged to go....even if they have no symptoms...these tests are self tests but guided by professional.

It stands to reason that if you test more, you will find more, but that doesn't mean those that turn up positive are ill
They may have no symptoms at all.

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Don't think I'll bother, if the test showed I'd had the panic it's not as if i'll get extra freedoms, just that I was lucky enough not to be serious, (and I hate being serious).

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I mistakenly thought that Pendle was included in the Burnley figures..but that is incorrect.
Pendle has a population of 91K inhabitants.
It recored 20 extra cases bringing the total recorded cases to 644(out of 91K)
Blackburn with Darwen recorded 14 extra cases(though Darwen actually had none - out of a population of 148K)
Burnley recorded 4...the Ribble valley 3...Accrington recorded 5.
These figures are from the 5th of August.


Across the UK the figures went up by 950....again the percentage figures for this rise are very very low...and yet we are being told that this is a second wave...we are being duped....but are failing to see this.

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More common sense from Australia.
Bed-wetters and health fascists appear to be in charge in Victoria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvOcyc3jNcA

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well said Alan Jones.
I realy like the idea that the politicians should take a pay cut until the levels of unempoyment and the debt is paid off....In fact I would go further and say do not pay them at all until we are back to normal...and I do not mean this new normal...I mean REAL normal.

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If they are anything like 'normal' people they will have stocked up at the beginning on toilet rolls, rice, pasta, bread, milk etc enough to last several lifetimes so they won't need paying.

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What they need and what they expect are poles apart Less.

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always wondered if this new normal will be our way of life for years to come. these restrictions could come in with the usual winter flu outbreak later this year. just got a feeling that the REAL normal will be classed as the old days.

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It stands to reason that if you test more, you will find more, but that doesn't mean those that turn up positive are ill

its so ruddy obvious to me but getting others to understand something simple like this seems hard. lets only talk about actual deaths and not the number of new cases. must be the only illness where anyone mentions figures of people who are affected and thats it.

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was reported yesterday that someone somewhere in the country got applauded when coming out of hospital recovering from the virus. where is this country going to end up. never saw any applause or mass of touchy feely spewing of hearts going out when my old man left hospital after a really severe heart attack a few years back.

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First one’s for you, MH. Second is for bed-setters everywhere...

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Professor Mark Woolhouse of Edinburgh University has said that the lockdown has been a 'monumental mistake' and was undertaken by government because it 'did not know what else to do'...it was A panic measure that took no account of the level of risks to various parts of society.
He has also said that we are not seeing a second wave.
That the 'spikes' being seen are just consequences of the lockdown....that they would have occurred anyway.
Mark Woolhouse is a professor in Epidemiology....so no slouch.
He has also criticised the make up of the group of scientists in the SAGE group...saying that theirbfields of expertise were too narrow.

All that said, the mainstream media are suggesting that lockdown MAY be reinstated next month.

Sweden has had no lockdown, no masks, no social distancing, no more deaths from the pandemic than any other country.....and the bonus is that they are said to be approaching herd immunity.
How very different from the knee jerk, panic stricken actions of other countries(ours included) for a virus that has been over hyped, over inflated......and a population scared of its own shadow.
Terrible, utterly terrible.