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Cashy, that is quite frankly rubbish.
Coronaviruses have been around for a long time as have other much more dangerous diseases....like Ebola.
The strategy for rampant infections is not new.
It is a matter of common sense...keep the infected away from those who are not infected.
And if infection is suspected then you isolate those who MAY be infected.

You stop people from coming into the country....how hard is that....seeing as 301 days down the line it has dawned on them as a good idea.
Those who are out of the country but want to come back do so knowing that Quarantine is essential.
There were NO Checks on people coming into the country...no temperature checks, no airport of embarkation checked, no stop off points checked.
Other countries like Australia were doing these checks and were taking incoming passengers to hotels where they were monitored.

How do I know this?
My niece was working in Belgium at the start of this pandemic. On returning to Australia she was taken directly from Brisbane Airport to a hotel and was not allowed out for 14 days.....and she had to pay for this stay.
There were other errors made too....and I have expressed what they are in other posts.

You do not need to be a scientist or a professor to know how to deal with transmission of disease.

I was using something called application of knowledge.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1249193]

You stop people from coming into the country....how hard is that....seeing as 301 days down the line it has dawned on them as a good idea.
Those who are out of the country but want to come back do so knowing that Quarantine is essential.
There were NO Checks on people coming into the country...no temperature checks, no airport of embarkation checked, no stop off points checked.

only 21 flights due in today at manchester airport from abroad including from parts of the middle east where the virus is rampant. add that to the number in at other major airports and it really beggers belief. all the main stream media gives you is pictures empty planes stood at airports. just another example of being told what they want to tell you.

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High hopes are being pinned on the vaccine.
That it will allow for people to go about their lives in a freer manner, yet they DO NOT KNOW if the vaccine will prevent transmission - and that is paramount to control of the spread.
They do not know if the vaccine will stop you from getting the virus - only that if you get it, it will be less severe and less likely to kill you...but you still might pass it to family members...it may not stop you getting it twice.
They do not know how long the immunity will last...so you may need this vaccine twice a year.
They keep going on about hospital beds being dull yet the 64 bed Nightingale Centre in London is currently accommodating just 6 patients.

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Here I was worrying about the long-tern effects of the vaccine but maybe it’s also the short-term effects that are to be regarded with caution. 23 people have died in Norway and 10 in Germany, their deaths being linked with them having had the Pfizer vaccine. Now authorities are saying that maybe they were too frail to have the jab and that perhaps the frail and elderly should not be given it – but surely this is the group that have been targeted to have the vaccine in the first instance right from the beginning. These are the ones who have been quoted as being the most vulnerable for getting the virus and not being able to overcome it – not the ones who would die from actually having the vaccine.

Yes, I know that this is a small number compared to the vaccinations that have been done and yes, they probably had underlying medical problems, but try telling that to their loved ones, making excuses as to why the vaccine hastened their death.

By the way, I have read that ‘Pfizer and BioNTech are working with the Norwegian regulator to investigate the deaths and said that ‘the number is not alarming and in line with expectations’. It is? Again I say try telling that to those they have left behind.

Maybe these 33 old people should have been referred to as the most gullible and not the most vulnerable.

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Dorothy, I am not too sure we should call these elderly, frail people ‘gullible’.
When confronted daily with a Medical Officer of Health who would make an excellent chief mourner....spewing out figures that mean very little because there is no context (if we were told the average number of deaths per day and then told the additional deaths and if they were truthful about how many of these were truly Covid deaths, rather than Covid linked....maybe we could find some perspective in this)

Elderly people are being encouraged daily to protect their lives.
Many of these will have no access to information other than what they see or read in the media....and they are part of the problem.

I hear people of my age say that they are too scared to go out....they feel that having this jab will give them their life back.
It is not made clear that there are ANY questionable aspects of the jab.
Like transmission, like immunity, like the fact that the vaccine MAY NOT stop you getting the virus....and what has definitely not been made clear is that if you have the vaccine and go on to get the virus you could have a very serious enhanced immune response(which may be what has killed off these older people in Norway).

I know that there will be some who naysay my post, but I read extensively and from different(reliable ) sources....(I consider the BMJ a reliable source).
It is possible that in the next couple of weeks my name might come up for me to roll up my sleeve.

For those who are convinced that the jab is right for them...then I have no issue with that.
You have made a choice which (hopefully) was informed....that means you know the drawbacks as well as the possible benefits.

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not sure the jab will give people new problems really. the thing is how affective will it end up being now they have gone away from manufacturers instructions. think again a lot of it is about giving people confidence again. when jabbed they will think they are immune now which is not the case. its what the individual thinks and feels is what will matter. its another extention to the face muzzle situation where i am sure that was brought in more as a confidence booster to many than any scientific reason.

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Just what is the point of a vaccine that MAY not prevent transmission(well other than enhancing the bank balance of Big Pharma).

I noted today that all incoming passengers to UK shores will be taken to Quarantine hotels...just about ten months too late to help the situation.

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I have been looking on the Pfizer website for more information.
It seems tha the third part of any trial on a vaccine of this type takes 24 months from the first jab.(remember this type of vaccine has NEVER been used on humans before)

In the case of a pandemic governments can seek to use emergency regulations to use a vaccine that has not passed through this third stage.
This is what has happened here.
But Pfizer do not agree that the time between the two vaccinations should be lengthened to 12 week|( or there is some news from Dominic Raab that it could be even longer between vaccinations) as this was NOT in the terms of the trial.

It seems to me that pfizer are getting the population of the UK to be lab rats...not just with government permission, but with government encouragement...knowing full well that if anything goes wrong they will not have to fork out a single penny.

Don't you think there is something wrong in that?

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Yes.

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Does the flu vaccine prevent transmission?
Do any?

Surely all a vaccine does is prevent the vaccinated from succumbing to the effects of a virus, surely you can still have and pass it on when you have the flu?

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Yes, I think the flu vaccine prevents transmission.....but the problem with the flu vaccine is that the variant of the flu that is prevalent might not be the one included in the vaccine.
This vaccine is not like the flu vaccine...it is a totally new type of vaccine.

The Covid vaccine does not guarantee you will not get the virus.....and it does not guarantee that you will not transmit the virus.
The whole raison d’etre for the vaccine is that it will stop people passing the virus on.(why else would you have it?)

But of course if you are happy with these uncertainties, then you have made your decision.

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The idea of the flu vaccine is so that you do not get the flu....if it works for you(and this depends entirely on what variant is prevalent, and if that is in the vaccine then you won’t get flu)....if you do not get flu, then it means you cannot transmit the flu to someone else because the vaccine has stopped you getting the virus.

I hope that makes sense.

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Just referring back to my post re the deaths in Norway (today being quoted at 29). They are now saying that some of the frail and elderly people who died shortly after receiving the jab already had serious medical conditions and most probably had only a very few weeks to live anyway, so why the heck did they give them the vaccine? I can't understand the reasoning behind this.

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There is no reasoning...just ticking boxes.

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I had my first vaccine last week, it was the Pfizer Biontech we where given, i have had no adverse reactions from it so far, we are being told that the second dose will be given after 12 weeks now so that they can get the first dose out to more people

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Nice to see you Flashy...stay safe.

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yes, and thats whats now happening to everyone. its as if the government and their pet scientists actually know more than pfizer do about the vaccine they created. surely its better to have one million done properly than 10 million not who actually think they are now immune. its not my subject, but surely this must be the first time a government has not followed to the letter what manufacturers instructions are. think i,ll experiment a bit with my blood pressure tablets as its obvious the makers of em have no idea.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1249252]
But Pfizer do not agree that the time between the two vaccinations should be lengthened to 12 week|( or there is some news from Dominic Raab that it could be even longer between vaccinations) as this was NOT in the terms of the trial.


its certainly time for a proper debate on the whole vaccination subject. i mean a proper debate and not just those picked by the government. from their point of view if what they say is totally true and can debunk all anti vaccination talk then surely thats the way forward to get more people vaccinated. not everyone are sheep and there are still those around with a brain to use. still think we are not being told everything and the governments cards are not as good as some think they are on mass vaccinations.

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According to the latest news, the vaccine is being rolled out for the over 70s this week, if you need a lift to the "Acorn Centre" Marge, just ask, (please answer politely).

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There is much to discuss regarding the government making the decision to use the vaccine produced by Pfizer, in a way that is different to how it was trialled.
1) doesn't this change invalidate the Emergeny use authority?

2) what knowledge do the JCVI have that enables them to use a vaccine other than in accordance with the manufacturers instructions(and which contravene's trial findings)?
3) has it been positively determined that this change of use will have no adverse effects?

alas, it seem like there is no place in thei society for any discussion, so dissent is definiteely not going to be welcome.

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theres been plenty of discussion on here or are we not society?

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Taddy, I was brought up to have manners...so if I required a lift I would certainly be polite in my request..
There are a lot of over 70's about so it might take a day or two for the letters to arrive.


Something else that is in the news today is that one in six people who contracted the virus did so whilst in hospital for something other than the virus.


That is no surprise to me...that is what happens when you accommodate an infection condition in a DGH rather than an isolation facility.
Does anyone remember Withnell TB hospital or Park Lee Isolation hospital?

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if the government held all the cards on this they,d be happy to have this discussion, or have we entered a world where no discussion or dissent is now allowed and we have to all follow the party line no matter how many times it may change in even a short period of time. we have got to a point where some do not want a discussion but tell us to just get on with it and roll up our sleeves without any thought whatsoever. waiting patiantly for telling me to roll on my back next with my arms and legs up.

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we are not supposed to be 'thinking'...we are just supposed to be 'obeying'

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Yes Cashy we are part of society, but it seems our influence is that of a midge bite on the hide of an elephant...it has absolutely no effect.


If we were not considered intelligent enough to decide about our future in the EU, why do you think the government would consider us, the hoi polloi, intelligent enough to ask these questions?

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we are only useful to carry the blame.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1249297]
There are a lot of over 70's about so it might take a day or two for the letters to arrive.


quite a lot of over 80,s have not had one in my area yet. it seems to be ones who have no real health problems that are still waiting. co incidence or what.

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I will happily stand aside and let them have mine.

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Way to late, I had to travel to UK on Friday 15th (all official, deliveries from Germany). Prior to entering Holland for the ferry I had to have had a Covid test, down your throat & up your nose. I also had to fill in a UK Gov locator form.


I drove through Holland to the ferry terminal, no checks. Offloaded at Harwich, my health papers weren't checked but they ripped the van apart. That done I drove into the heart of Saddiks plaguey London & dropped off.



I then headed across to Holyhead, getting there at dark O'Clock bound for the Emerald Isle & the heart of Paddy land Dublin, again no check of the "Demanded" health papers but the customs docs weren't in order due to Brexit, so no drivey to Bogland.


I then went home to my Dads house, stayed at his for near on 24hrs, then back to Harwich, guess what? No checking of health papers, got on the boat & went back to europe via the "Hook", passport & why are you here questions then I was sent on my way.


Now after reading that is it any wonder that plague & pestilence is rife, me & my "Ratty" ilk roaming freely across international borders.


Incidentally "I was Clean", the pokey sticks up the nose & down the throat gave up a negative result & was good for 72 hours. (not like that really makes any actual difference)

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Son...that just illustrates the point that the border control in this country is woeful and at a time when it should be so tight it squeeks.

anyway glad you got back safe and sound...at least you got a change of scene..all I am getting is a change of rain

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we are an island and have a glorious moat of sea to stop invaders...that includes diseases.
But having a moat is no damn good if you supply the enemy with boats.

There is uch said, but little is done to back up the words.
From reports even people flying in are not getting the checks that were promised so it is little wonder that we are in the position we are in right now.

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and you know what they can do. insert any single words you can think of.

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Myself and the main person in our household have received notification to make an appointment to receive the Covid vaccination; we will both be attending. If you don't hear any more news from the "Luddite", Then it dosn't work.
Stay safe, Regards, Taddy.

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Heh folks, it’ll soon be over, President Biden’s arrived.
And on the very day he was inaugurated the WHO issued a notice that seems to acknowledge that too many false positive PCR tests are being recorded and advises that amplifying the test by x35 to find scraps of coronavirus DNA is not a good idea.
Good day to bury such news, maybe?

This is what many have been saying for ages, and have been smeared as conspiracists for doing so, that people’s health should be assessed by trained doctors according to established medical practice, and not solely by a single diagnostic aid, however “high-tech”, randomly applied throughout the population.

“Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.”

Unless, of course, those who (or should that be WHO) pushed the use of mass PCR tests had other motives.

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05

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Biden is even more useless that who he replaced as president in my view.

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Doubt he’ll last long but he needs to survive long enough to sign more of the Woke Party agenda into law.

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and put the economy back years and put unemployment up. the media however will have all the excuses ready now for him if this happens.

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Researchers at Monash University here in Australia have made a discovery that could significantly help the many people suffering from asthma, could be a game-changer for them. Life changing. Tests are being carried out but guess what, according to the news this morning It is possible that this medical discovery could be on the market IN FIVE YEARS!!! Wow!

I bet the great number of people who suffer from asthma – a dreadfully debilitating, frightening, and, in some cases fatal, disease – are wondering why it will take so long before considered safe to use when the vaccine for COVID19 is deemed safe after such a short testing period.

I know there will be answering postings on this thread that it is all to do with funding and the lack of it for research and development, but it also ponders the question that, frustrating and disappointing as it may be when it takes so much time to guarantee the safety of new medications, just how fast is too fast.

Just asking….

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Regarding the above post, don’t get me wrong - I am certainly not against vaccinations, have the flu one every year and had the whooping cough last year, but after having a very bad experience while in hospital recovering from an operation last August, I am loathe to offer my arm for a jab of a vaccine that I do not feel confident about.

The severe hallucinations I suffered after certain drugs were administered were very frightening and are still foremost in my mind. Immediate tests were carried out on me in case I really had lost the plot completely – but the doctor who carried out these tests wrote that I was ‘neurologically unremarkable’ – so what do I know

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[QUOTE=dotti34;1249596]

I bet the great number of people who suffer from asthma – a dreadfully debilitating, frightening, and, in some cases fatal, disease – are wondering why it will take so long before considered safe to use when the vaccine for COVID19 is deemed safe after such a short testing period.


exactly. just wonder if its just me but i know of far more asthma sufferers than i do those who have caught the virus. as a kid i hardly knew a soul who had it but over the years cases seem to be shooting up in some areas of the country more than others. then the testing period crops up again. only last summer one of the governments pet experts said that there would not be a vaccine out till late 2021. only a couple months later abra cadabra there is one out. does make you wonder.

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I was due to get my covet jab at Blackburn today but after listening to my neighbour who waited in a queue for over 4 hours yesterday and then reading this account in the lancs telegraph https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...urn-cathedral/
I decided not to bother

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It's a wonder that some of the elderly queuing all that time in those conditions for their jab don't end up with pneumonia, or at least severe colds. I was talking to a cousin last night who lives in Accrington and is eligible for the vaccine. He said his appointment would be at Blackburn and had heard about the long waiting time. Has decided to wait until his own doctor is able to give the jab. Who can blame him.

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[QUOTE=accybeme;1249814]I was due to get my covet jab at Blackburn today but after listening to my neighbour who waited in a queue for over 4 hours yesterday and then reading this account in the lancs telegraph https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...urn-cathedral/
I decided not to bother[

There is something very wrong with the people who are spreading these unsubstantiated rumours, her indoors and myself were given a time of 10.00 hours last Sunday to turn up at the Acorn Centre in Accy for our little pricks, we arrived at 09-45 hrs and waited in the car for another five minutes before going in to the reception area, by 10-10 hours we were back in the car and on our way home after both having "the little prick" and were told that we would be contacted,when we had to turn up for our second jab.
Come on people you cannot get much better service than that. I have waited a lot longer than that to get served with a pint in a pub.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1249927]taddy a lad who stands with us up stanley had to wait 3 @ half hours sunday afternoon so its not unsubtantiated at all.

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[QUOTE=dotti34;1249909]It's a wonder that some of the elderly queuing all that time in those conditions for their jab don't end up with pneumonia, or at least severe colds.

well one thing they will not catch is flu. lowest total in 130 years this year. as long as you do not get the virus all other diseases are not bothered about are they. defeat the virus but get something else. on top of this i thought we were told not to travel to other towns and use public transport which many oldies is their lifeline. its fine though if it suits the governments agenda though.

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wife and i had our jabs yesterday for which we were both grateful.

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[QUOTE=cashman;1249928][QUOTE=taddy;1249927]taddy a lad who stands with us up stanley had to wait 3 @ half hours sunday afternoon so its not unsubtantiated at all.

O/k, I can accept that but it makes me think that maybe he should change his G.P. My brother in law rceceived a letter from the N,H,S, asking him to ring a certain number to book his Covid appointment; when he rang he was asked to go to South Manchester,(I.E. Cheshire), to receive his jab, he mentioned that he did not have the transport. My missus, (his sister), told him to ring his G.P. 15 or so minutes later he rang back to say that his G.P. surgery had him on their list and he would contacted whithin a few days; (probably to have his jab locally) as me and her indoors have. but then again ?

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Seems you & your missus were quite forunate then Tads, lots of folk having to wait for quite some time from what I've seen & read in the British press.

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me and ange were in and out in 20 mins on weds afternoon for ours dave at our docs a 2 min walk.;)

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with something new like this vaccination in masses you can expect some things will not run as smooth as they could. its when things like regular hospital appointments that have been going on for years and years always seem to include the obligatory long wait to be seen even with an early appointment that biols my body fluids.

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Glad you got in & out quickly Cashy, can't have you owd codgers hanging round in the cold for to long now can we? :D ;)

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Just spotted this in the national press.
Mother Shipton a Yorkshire Prophetess, composed this verse in the 16th Century.
These mighty tyrants will fail to do
They fail to split the world in two.
But from their acts a danger bred
An Ague leaving many dead.
And Pysics find no remedy
For this is worse than leprosy.
What will the Covid denyers come up with for this.

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that mother shipton has actually got quite a lot correct. i always am glad when going through knaresborough the road bridge does not collapse. she said the world would end if it falls down 3 times. its already done it twice.

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Council will be out there putting up scaffolding. ;)

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My money on scaffolding falling down first! :rolleyes:

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This reference to Councils and their ways made me smile – they must be the same everywhere. A little while ago a Council worker (and I use that term loosely) came along the pavement spraying poison at the edges of the grass that grows on the verge. Well I think that’s where he was supposed to spray it – but somehow he managed to spray the whole area and subsequently the grass died and left a grassless area which had once been nice and green.

The other day another ‘worker’ came along on a ride-on mower and mowed the grass that wasn’t there. He was followed by still another ‘worker’ with a leaf blower, blowing the non-existent grass away.

Still it was a nice day to be out and about – and getting paid for taking a walk would have been an added bonus.

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First of all, my apologies for always mentioning Australia, but this is where I live, and I hope you find some interest in hearing about the situation here.

We are due to get the first vaccine shipment within days – but this will still be tested – why is this necessary if it is safe and already has been fully tested? As the vaccine has to be kept at -70 degrees it has been acknowledged that there will be some that ‘go off’ and have to be destroyed. How will they know which might be suspect. What if there are some bad ones that slip through the system?

The ‘maybe’s’ and ‘possibly’s’ that those in charge bring into their conversations do not instil confidence. The questions as to how long the vaccine will be effective, will it be a yearly necessity to protect – or is this year’s jab a protection for life, will there be any long-term effects, remain unanswered. Who knows? Does anyone?

Normally I am an optimistic person but the more I read and hear about the vaccine the more I worry about it.

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By the way, did you know that tennis players, playing in the Australian Open, are allowed to continue playing (albeit to empty stands) even though the State is in strict lockdown again, as they are classified by the Government as being essential workers – as essentially this is their only place of employment…..try telling that to others who have been severely affected by this latest lockdown. Won’t even try to speculate why this is so….

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[QUOTE=dotti34;1250376]First of all, my apologies for always mentioning Australia, but this is where I live, and I hope you find some interest in hearing about the situation here.





Normally I am an optimistic person but the more I read and hear about the vaccine the more I worry about it

No apologies needed dotti, it makes a change to hear other peoples views wherever they live and as for your second paragraph I can only say; (you and me both". Stay safe, Stay happy, The Lancashire Luddite.

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dotti if yeh didnt mention Australia it would be strange yeh may live yon but yer still a Lancastrian cart on.x

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[QUOTE=dotti34;1250297]This reference to Councils and their ways made me smile – they must be the same everywhere. A little while ago a Council worker (and I use that term loosely) came along the pavement spraying poison at the edges of the grass that grows on the verge. Well I think that’s where he was supposed to spray it – but somehow he managed to spray the whole area and subsequently the grass died and left a grassless area which had once been nice and green.

The other day another ‘worker’ came along on a ride-on mower and mowed the grass that wasn’t there. He was followed by still another ‘worker’ with a leaf blower, blowing the non-existent grass away.

still marking out football pitches even though no games are being played. wish i could download stuff but they actually marked over a mole hill. as for that so called poison stuff they spray. they sprayed by the pavement and walls a couple of years back and the weeds have never been more healthy. now if a tree doesn,t moved its chopped down for no other reason that its there. some actually want the councils to get more money. god help us if they did and what other money wasting schemes they,d come out with.

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On the same subject, monkey hanger, which of course has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread, here is another little story.

A few years ago a friend, Bobby, worked for Telstra. Telstra employees had the same reputation for work ethic that Council workers have. This particular day Bobby’s crew had travelled quite a long way to the site of their job. On reaching their destination it was discovered that they had inadvertently left the shovels behind. Bobby phoned the boss back at base and asked if he could send the shovels. The boss asked Bobby if they have any long-handled brooms, to which Bobby replied that they had. ‘Well’ said the boss ‘you will just have to make do with those to lean on until I can get the shovels to you’.

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ive got mi jabbing date .. spugsters already had his up there in scotland ..

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I believe that there is a lot of jabbing and jousting going on in Scotland at the moment but it is mainly between the "Wee Burney" and the "Red Salmon".

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Sorry for going off post in my last comment.

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Don’t apologise for NOT talking about this bl***y topic!

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Last night the POLICE are being blamed for their approach to the vigil for that poor lass who was murdered,well far as ive seen the crowd was ALL bunched together, causing a likely increase to this damn virus, its the stupid peoples own fault end of story,this is typical of the stupidity thats taken over in society, the Media to me are much to blame for this all they care about is selling papers.

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if the police had pretended they were the BLM and just let em get on with it there would not have been the parliament square protest yesterday. how long will they use their only weapon, the covid so called laws, to suppress anyones right to protest and free speech. the women at clapham common were not forced to attend but probably felt the issue was of importance for them to do it. for me i,m sick to death of these covid regulations being thrown around willy nilly. everytime i hear em being mentioned the tele is in great danger. not everyone by a long way supports these laws and at the best just follow em for a quite life. this weekend could actually be the start of some form of mass protests around the country and the plod cannot be everywhere. remember if we all in the past have just sat back and shut up sheep stealing might still be a hanging offence.

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If you remember during the height of the pandemic...and before any vaccine was put forward, The police were dancing with the extinction rebellion protesters...who were unmasked and definitely not socially distanced.
Also, if you can also look back to the time when police officers were taking the knee in support of BLM.

These peaceful protesters were hurting no one.
They were out in the fresh air....and although I was not there, there are press pictures of some of them masked.
It seems to me the police are allowed to pick and choose their courses of action and in my view(though this counts for zero) the level of force was disproportionate to the risks involved.

It is NOT about the risks of Covid.....it is all about control.

The girl that these women were respecting was allegedly murdered and dismembered by a serving police officer.

Like you MH, I am heartily sick of the cavalier way our freedoms have been removed, with no real idea when (or even if) they will be reinstated.

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The loss of our hard-fought for liberties is not just a short term necessity (if you actually believe the Govt and its big Pharma placemen that it is necessary).
It is becoming a fixed feature from one of the most authoritarian, arrogant, and corrupt Governments we’ve suffered for many, many years.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/0...-lost-forever/

If this goes through no-one will be able to protest if the police consider they make a noise that ‘upsets’ someone.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1251647]The loss of our hard-fought for liberties is not just a short term necessity (if you actually believe the Govt and its big Pharma placemen that it is necessary).
It is becoming a fixed feature from one of the most authoritarian, arrogant, and corrupt Governments we’ve suffered for many, many years.

they,ll eventually kick the dog, ie the population, one time somewhere in the not too distant future and it will turn on em big style. enjoy it while you can boris, police chiefs etc. you,ll have created a situation that you will not be able to control in the end. the reson at the start for those who have not followed any of the government virus propaganda have been attempted to be silenced so they can use their covid weapon.

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Just watched this talk on Reform TV about Ivermectin, and apologies if Ivermectin has been discussed on here already, but here’s a link to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3u39moxStQ

This got me researching more on Ivermectin and I came across Dr. John Campbell’s web site.
The link below is a summary of an hour long talk he did with Dr. Tess Lawrie, the same lady who’s interviewed in the Reform piece. On his YouTube site there’s the full hour interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix8i7dfsCJg

The most shocking and scandalous, but not surprising, thing was that Dr. Lawrie sent her “evidence”, which she compiled without any payment from anyone, about the efficacy of Ivermectin to Hancock around January 4th and has heard NOTHING since!

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I do not post much on accyweb these days but feel it necessary to air my point of view on this subject,
I believe there is a pandemic that is sweeping the world, medical experts tell us it is transmitted by droplets from people’s mouths, we are told our hospitals are being overrun with covid patience, it seems many believe it’s just a conspiracy designed to keep us from going out and enjoying ourselves, to my way of thinking it’s irresponsible for protesters to form large crowds that will inevitably spread this virus, and don’t see how protesters think they have the right to place others’ lives in jeopardy

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i agree 100% With accybeme.

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i do not believe its a conspiracy but i imagine the media would be doing there best to discredit protesters by saying they have spread the virus if they had any real proof of this. people may not agree with some or all of the protest reasons but without evidence of them being the reason for a spread then people should have the protesting right. always remember that there could be a day coming that there is something that you feel strongly about that you wish to protest yourself. this present line of diminishing free speech unless you agree with it could shortly be among us.

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to me its nothing to do with diminishing free speech, more a matter of common sense.

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it could be if we go down the road of the sturgeon democracy of scotland where you could be fined if someone takes offence to something you say in your own house. we all know that will not apply to the woke lefties, BAME or any other minorities. doubt having just a gripe on accy web or a letter to your MP would change abything.

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not a hope in hell,

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There's no need to look so far, going through parliament now is the latest attempt to silence dissenters & those who want to use their rights.


https://www.politics.co.uk/comment/2...es-in-silence/

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monkey hanger you seem to be saying there is no evidence that people protesting in proximity is spreading the virus, but are not medical experts concluding that the virus is spread by people infecting others by breathing the virus on others, the pictures of the protesters I have seen are not social distancing or wearing masks so do you also think the social distancing wearing masks are a futile waste of time, I’m completely at a loss to your reasoning

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free speech aint much use if your dead or seriously ill.

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Quite, but someone somewhere has to make a stand & highlight the issue, because if they don't you'll wake up alive one fine day, but with no right to say anything my dear Cashy ..... Catch 22?

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honestly think thats a load of crap dave.

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what happened last night in Bristol is proof to me about protests 2 police seriously injured 20 injured all in it,every protest is attended by a certain number of EXTREMISTS that is FACT anyone supporting stuff like that is simple in my book,its no good saying i did not know unless yer daft.

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like all protests the original issues seem to get forgotton or ignored by extremists. always wonder however if the extremists are actually there to discredit or support the protesters. i,m not sure if the case with the bristol protest was that it was pieceful but was turned into something that was not. it seems funny that recent piecefull protests have turned more violent for some reason.

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the first large protest was the BLM stuff across many parts of the country. many said at the time that would cause a big virus spread across the country. that just did not happen. as for face muzzles, even correct ones and worn correctly, the jury is still out on them from medics. the only real survey i know of this was done in denmark which came out more or less 50/50 on them being affective. the wearing for me is more of a badge of compiance than anything else. the last 12 months have been total hell especially since the face muzzle came compulsory inside places.

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would you have thought the same cashy if a good mate of yours hadn,t died of the virus. i honestly might have felt differently if i,d have been in your shoes but i wasn,t.

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to be honest i dont think so if summats the law then i abide by it, may not like it but that makes no difference to me.

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fine, but for me i just cannot just abide by anything just because its called a law. finding ways round em and trying to get others to do so is more in my DNA. not all laws are wanted by the majority and sometimes its far better to make things a suggestion, giving reasons to follow the suggestion, than just saying its the law and thats it. thats where the police for me have gone wrong the last few months. its the law and there is nothing you can do about it. stealing a sheep at one time could see you being hanged. if anyone did not rail against that it would still be the same now.

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cant understand that at all in my time i have had a strong dislike for some laws but thats what they are LAWS, i can not understand anyone siding with extremists at all.cos end of the day thats who always jumps on the bandwagon.

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[QUOTE=cashman;1251899]cant understand that at all in my time i have had a strong dislike for some laws but thats what they are LAWS, i can not understand anyone siding with extremists at all.cos end of the day thats who always jumps on the bandwagon.

The right of anyone to peacefully protest has long been allowed under our constitution,and is still allowed but anyone who advocates violence in any form should face the full force of the law.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1251911]thats the problem the law is a joke sentences are laughed at by scum they are that weak

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Just like Cashy, I am law abiding...although I am sure that a couple of times I have transgressed in respect of traffic offences, but nothing more than that I promise.
I have a fair amount of respect for the police.
They have a difficult job and in my observations they(in the main) do the best they can.
But....and this is a huge but....I have been dismayed by some of their more recent tactics.
Doesn’t it strike you as ironic that at a peaceful for a young woman who was abducted by a serving police officer....and allegedly murdered by him, that police use aggressive tactics to subdue women doing nothing more than showing respect.
The excuse for this was that they were ‘doing their duty, upholding Covid rules’.
How very convenient that the rules for the protection of people from this virus could be invoked on this occasion.

Yet right in the midst of the pandemic we saw Major roads in the big cities brought to a halt by Extinction Rebellion demonstrators....they were not social distancing, or wearing masks either, yet the police or duty for that demo were photographed dancing like it was a carnival, rather than an incursion of the law.

More worrying still was the BLM demonstrations in The capital.
This demonstration also involved large numbers of people demonstration...these though were in ‘para military style’ uniform.
This on its own is an offence.
What did the police do when they were policing this event?
They took the knee to signify support of this cause.
My understanding of the police is that they are to uphold the laws of the land impartially.
In these two situations the police were neither upholding the law, or being impartial.

I do not support any form of violent protest, but the law currently being tabled will permit the police to have a say in who gets to protest peacefully and who does not.
That cannot be right because as we have seen from my two examples, there seems to be no one policing the actions of the police....and it seems like they are free to interpret laws on the statute books however they wish.

So while there are element of this bill that would be welcome.
Like those regarding sentencing of offenders.....the right of every person to peacefully protest should NOT be removed

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There is no evidence that there was a rise in the number of infections that was caused by these demonstrations.
The wearing of masks is not in any way protective....and if you have read earlier posts by me I have posted numerous pieces of evidence which is science based to back up my claims.
The wearing of masks is just so that compliance can be seen.
In earlier posts I was labelled as a conspiracy theorist, yet all of my posts were supported by links to scientific evidence.

I have been less active on here of late because I felt that I had said all that was relevant....so now I will go back to my retreat.

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as far as im concerned nothing wrong with peaceful protests, but NOT during a Pandemic simple as.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1251917]

The excuse for this was that they were ‘doing their duty, upholding Covid rules’.






there seems to be no one policing the actions of the police....and it seems like they are free to interpret laws on the statute books however they wish.

unless you drive a car or attend big events most people never come into contact with the police. there is a good possibility that since the virus its their first interaction they have had with them. what they have seen is a total black is black approach with no grey area. all basically speaking in some pre rehersed speach and singing from the same hymn book. even when committing a minor say speeding offence it will vary from officer to officer what they will do. doubt the police and the law in general will be looked at in the same light once this is all over. 200 pound fines for drinking coffee on a park bench but only 80 quid for some scum that attempted to drown a dog by tying a rock round it and chucking it in the river. possibly less because they wore a face muzzle when doing it.

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More worrying still was the BLM demonstrations in The capital.
This demonstration also involved large numbers of people demonstration....
That should read demonstrating rather than demonstration...my device thinks it knows better than me!

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Cashy, that is all well and good...but once they have allowed demonstrations to go ahead in the middle of the pandemic...they have set a precedent and it can be seen as being less than impartial.
It shows that there is no equality...that BLM, but Female lives do not....there have been no rises in infection rates as a result of these open air protests...and it really does smack of a Police State mentality...where the police do the deciding on who can and who cannot be allowed to demonstrate.
That can never be a good thing.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1251918]There is no evidence that there was a rise in the number of infections that was caused by these demonstrations.
posts by me I have posted numerous pieces of evidence which is science based to back up my claims.



I have been less active on here of late because I felt that I had said all that was relevant....so now I will go back to my retreat.

OK Marge, just don't retreat to far.
Regards, The Luddite..

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wonder when there will be a demonsration for the most subdued and less thought of section of our community. white middle aged and older men.