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Hi Everybody,
As a sort of "Outsider looking on the Inside", does anybody know the reason for Covid 19 spreading so much in the North West i.e. Hyndburn, Blackburn, Burnley, Preston etc.
Abroad I watch the news from the BBC and Sky, but until now I've never heard the reason for this pandemic being so high in the above mentioned regions.

Cheers and take care

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thing is i saw a scientist on tv today who said that half of them said one way and half said the other, so tell me what choice does any government have? they are not experts in owt like this, so why listen to ANY side? i certainly do not and just do what i think is the best way to cope, i may be right or wrong who knows, nobody is the sensible answer as far as im concerned.to me the government are just doing what they have been advised,

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I think that one of the problems is that the powers that be count positive swab tests as 'a case'...now if a clinician got a positive result of some test, but the patient had NO symptoms, then they would not count it as 'a case'.
They have been doing a lot of testing in the North West....Burnley,
Pendle, etc.....now if you do more tests it stands to reason that you will have more positive results.....that might be one of the reasons.....another might be due to the fact that the PCR test relies on the amplification of the DNA/RNA in each sample....this means that at a certain amplification all swabs will return a positive result....the other thing about the PCR test is that it is not specific to the genetic material of Covid 19, it picks up the genetic leavings on any other virus that you might have had in the last twelve months.

Now does that make sense for closing the country down and ruining the economy?

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Cashy, when a huge group of scientists from all over the world call into question the way that governments have dealt with this issue you have to ask yourself some questions.

Like what is the ulterior motive of those who have put us in this position?
Those who the government have looked to for guidance, because, yes, you are right...the government have no expertise in this field.

I think if you look at the common denominator you will find that it is linked to Bill
Gates, vaccinations and the influence of big Pharma.
How much money are these big Pharma going to make out of vaccinating the world?
How much will the shares that Chris Whitty currently hold( currently six hundred thousand quids worth) be worth when he awards the tender to the company he is in the pocket of?

Cashy, I know that you have your own thoughts on this, but the fact that those 6 thousand medical professionals, and a huge number of the general public are asking some awkward questions means that I no longer belong to a small tin foil hat brigade.
There is an awakening out there and it is growing.

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this might be illuminating Landhausweg.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0YXPvFQRM

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Like i said its half and half so i ignore the lot of em not side with who suits me.

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Exile I have just watched the Malcolm Kendrick interview and I found it very interesting.
Thank you for the link.

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[QUOTE=cashman;1245503]thing is i saw a scientist on tv today who said that half of them said one way and half said the other,

you have as much chance in glasgow of getting a rangers and celtic fan to agree on a game than scientists ever agreeing. its about finding ones who actually agree with your take on this and every other subject. for me the government have chosen the advice on the line they wanted to go down in the first place. once you go down a certain line it would cause a major U turn that may affect em where it really hurts, a future general election.

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I see Channel 4 news have dug up opponents to the Barrington declaration...well, quelle surprise!

So they don't think this growing group of scientists, medical professional, virologists, epidemiologists are on the right track when they say that lockdown does not work.
But have they looked at the evidence Sweden provides.
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If you have employed a method that has not worked after six months, then shouldn't you question the method.
We have had varieties of restrictions now for almost six months and we are being told that the infection rates are rising(these figures are dubious and couched in such terms that they actually mean nothing)
Sweden, it is considered, has acquired herd immunity by going about their daily doings WITHOUT HAVING A LOCKDOWN.

We are also being blamed for this method of controlling the virus being ineffectual.
The virus cannot be controlled...it has to be lived with
Is that not evidence to show that in this country and those who have used the lockdown restrictions, the issues have been badly managed from the very beginning.
Mainly because governments are listening to, and following, the wrong advice...the advice of those who have a vested interest.

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Cashy, if you have watched the video that I posted in the post before yours, then I cannot see how you can come to this conclusion.

This is a lawyer talking about criminal proceedings (for Crimes against humanity)against the German government, but his case relies on the garnering of evidence...and applies to any country who used the pandemic to remove rights and freedoms.

He gives the evidence clearly, he states the facts of why he feels that governments have perpetrated this crime against humanity....he cites the perpetrators of these crimes(WHO. GAVI,Bill gates foundation and the big Pharma and tech companies) he explains their motives clearly(money, the harvesting of personal and genetic data)...yet you do not believe this.

These are things I have been saying and posting for almost six months...six months in which we have been robbed of our freedom.

I know you lost a good friend to the virus and of course that has to be a factor.
But when evidence comes to light of a huge global con, it is disregarded.

The world is in a stupid place right now because there are people who care only about money...not about your health or well being.
That is where the crime lies.

I now wait for a knock on the door from the thought police.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245526]
The virus cannot be controlled...it has to be lived with


think through project fear many actually want to go further than actually controlling the virus but want it irradicating before any normality is resumed. medical matters is not the top of my knowledge{that gives me chance of being a government expert then** but i,m sure there has been cases of almost every disease known to man that have popped up somewhere in the world. even some remote animal disease is never classed as being irradicated but states like last known case being 1876 etc. some want a miracle which aint going to happen.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1245530]
The problem here is simple - People care about people, nature cares about species not individuals.

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There has been some leaked document that says that a vaccination program is about to start......and it will save Christmas.
I wait with bated breath.

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I did watch it and i cannot see how you have come to your conclusion.so lets leave it yon.

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Yes, perhaps that would be best.

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i,ll wait with bated breath just to refuse the vaccination. that will open another can of worms for sure.

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My breath won't be bated (though first thing in the morning until I've brushed my teeth it sometimes tastes like I've eaten a tin of worm bait).

Your an adult and it's your choice no real controversy about it.

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the controversy will start if places demand you to have been vacinated before you enter. no proof, no entry. there has been talk already of this going to apply to gain entry into sports stadiums to allow crowds back in. who would have thought 12 months ago we would be talking about face muzzles and the other restrictions forced onto us at present. the vacine providers will be pushing this for their own ends and with friends like whitty who have had more power than anyone in this country since charles 1st anything is totally possible.

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I would doubt that Whitty has had more power than Cummings.

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Well, I've given this a certain amount of thunk, you don't say if it's the Government or sports bodies that will bring in this ruling.
However, vaccination has always up until now, been voluntary and should NEVER be compulsory so I too consider it to be a step too far. I won't be changing my mind, I still think vaccination is a good thing but, not when forced upon unwilling participants that would rather not take advantage of a little prick (and lets face it there must be plenty of little pricks around to have thought this one up). So power to your elbow, hope you can stick to your guns and still get to watch the sport you're interested in.
:mosher:

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[QUOTE=Less;1245601]Well, I've given this a certain amount of thunk, you don't say if it's the Government or sports bodies that will bring in this ruling.
However, vaccination has always up until now, been voluntary and should NEVER be compulsory so I too consider it to be a step too far.

mind you i never thought the population would have to provide their own details just to buy a pint or eat some underdone restaurant food never mind this app business. nothing now would surprise me in the least where the millions of sheep cannot wait for their jab and then have a go at those who refuse. any other non muzzle wearing unvaccinated types will be named and shamed akin to child groomers.

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They've been doing that over here for months & no official body has come forward to collect the details, landlords & restaurant owners are stuck with folders & boxes full of personal details from their customers, yet they can't dispose of them because of certain rules, yet they aren't really allowed to keep them due to data protection regulations.


They are stuck between a rock & a hard place it seems & under pressure from both sides.

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Now then, if vaccination is voluntary then we have no-one to blame but ourselves if it goes tits up, if however people are forced to take the 'Queens needle' for the 'good of all' surely whomsoever forces this upon us becomes responsible therefore tits up equals lots and lots of irate survivors suing those that took on the responsibility of forcing the needle in.

Or is there a get out clause?

i.e. It's not our fault we took the advice of pompous so called 'experts'.

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The big Pharma companies who produce vaccines are exempt from ANY litigation.
Those who give the vaccine are exempt from litigation.
Next time you get a vaccination ask for the product insert and look at section 13.

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I wish I had known that when I had the Flu jab

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13 NONCLINICAL TOXICOLOGY 13

A longish list of vaccine preparations there for you to see.

That link takes you to the section 13 in a number of vaccine preparations.
They tell you that the vaccine is question has NOT been tested to determine its carcinogenic(cancer causing) potential, its mutagenic potential(the changes or mutations to your body cells)...or the potential to affect male and female fertility.
Some vaccine producers have removed section thirteen from their products altogether.

I was told by someone who had the flu jab recently that the package insert also says it does not protect against you getting flu...but I have no evidence to show you that this is true.

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https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...rers_indemnity
There you go...this is a FOI request to the government to ask if Vaccine makers really do have legal protection against litigation.
There is only a partial response to this question.

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legal indemnity for a Covid vaccine.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-as...-idUKKCN24V2EN

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For those just waiting for the vaccine cavalry to come racing round the bend in the next few months, better not read this (from a practicing UK GP)...or hold your breath a tad longer.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/

In summary, it would appear that the various COVID-19 vaccine trials currently being rushed through are only looking to see if these vaccines reduce symptoms that may be as mild as cough and headache. They are NOT requiring that the vaccines reduce the risk of infection, hospitalization or death.

As one US professor suggests:
“It boggles the mind and defies common sense that the National Institute of Health, the Center for Disease Control, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, and the rest would consider the approval of a vaccine that would be distributed to hundreds of millions on such slender threads of success.”
...and based on such few people in each of these studies for their interim (Phase 2) analysis.

And if you don’t wish to take a untested (by all previous standards) vaccine that may provide no more protection than, say winter’s course of Vitamin D3, better book your foreign holidays now, as you may not be able to in the future as determined by our new masters at the World Economic Forum.

https://thecommonsproject.org/commonpass

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...t-b858756.html

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I will not be needing any kind of travel pass as my travelling days are over...unless of course a bus ride to Southport(when restrictions lift) counts as travel.
There is nowhere in the world that I would want to travel to.

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The Malcolm Kendrick article is a really intersting read...but worrying too...and my distrust in big pharma and vaccines has been taken to the next level.
Thank you Exile...I might have stumbled over that article, but equally I may not have found it at all.

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been there, done it, lost the photos, i have enjoyed southport and brid as much without the seas sickness. just wonder which twerp started that annoying phrase staycation for what we called just a holiday.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245536]There has been some leaked document that says that a vaccination program is about to start......and it will save Christmas.

bet the thousands forced to having christmas with the in laws will hope that never happens. wish the rule of six had been brought in before i did this once. the best thing on christmas day that year was the time to go home.

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More interesting reads on here, especially about the ‘Oxford’ vaccine being pushed, despite adverse reactions, by HM Govt and the issue of ‘consent’, particularly as it applies to children.

https://covidwatching.org/

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i have always had it taddy, used to have it at work in the 80s it was capsules back then cant recall when the jab came in never had flu apart from 1 year when i just moved back from spain and had a real bad bout of flu, so soon sorted that out lol:D

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Doctors are set targets to achieve when it comes to flu vaccinations.
So, in effect you are a cash cow for your GP's practice.
From the link that Exile posted, I spotted this bit of information...


Contrary to what we are now being told flu vaccines are not needed for everybody and they often don’t work that well. The respected Cochrane Review, concluded that flu vaccines and especially for healthy people, serve little purpose. when given to healthy people and have very moderate effect. In an earlier study the same researchers came to the following conclusion:
“The results of this review provide no evidence for the utilisation of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure. As healthy adults have a low risk of complications due to respiratory disease, the use of the vaccine may only be advised as an individual protective measure.”
Flu vaccines in general have, at best, been inconsistent in their efficacy. Overall, evidence shows that they only work on average 50% of the time (it can be much less some years if the vaccine is not a good match for that year’s circulating virus). There is some evidence that flu vaccines may predispose the recipient to other viral and bacterial diseases, meaning that the risk of serious illness from a corona virus is increased after a flu vaccine. Also, children between 2-18 years old can be given a nasal live flu vaccine, which, according to the package insert, warns that care must be taken: “if you are in close contact with someone with a severely weakened immune system (for example, a bone marrow transplant patient needing isolation“. The nasal vaccine is a live flu virus, the virus can shed and spread in the surrounding air for some days or weeks afterwards, putting parents, grandparents, including immune compromised people, other children or even people with COVID19 at risk. Therefore, questions should be asked whether giving children a live flu virus vaccine is a good idea, especially now with COVID19.


Just thought you might like to know this.

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By the way, The Cochrane Review is a very well respcted source used by medical professionals to research medical issues

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My other half used to have the vaccine every year, but he had it one year and was ill for three weeks....and every time after that he had a similar problem after each vaccination.....sometimes ill for just a few days but sometimes for longer.
He stopped having the jab and we both have Vitamin D,C and zinc.
He has not had flu, neither have I.....sometimes we will get a cold, but not that often...all of this year we have taken the winter combination that we take during flu season.

So we have declined the vaccination

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its like anything yeh do whats best for you i reckon. if that happened to me i would probably stop having but it aint so i continue it.

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Yes, and if it works for you then that is all that matters.

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Never mentioned but ange has had it since shes been with me she missed once and had a real dose of swine flu thought she was on her way out to be honest, :eek:

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Cashy the two of you have to do what is right for you.
Ma used to have it....even though she did not go out very much, and was not at much risk.

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think the yearly flu jab is really each to his own really. i do not have it and only had flu once years ago. do know quite a few who did get injected but have stopped due to adverse reactions.

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i know someone also that stopped for that reason, but its always been ok for me and the missus.;)

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Same with me Cashy, I was diagnosed with c.o.p.d. over thirty years ago, My missus Hazel has had kidney problems all her life; we were both advised by our G.P. to have the flu jabs when they first became available,(umpteen years ago),

We are both on the (at risk) register and have both passed the age stated in the book of the God botherers when we should by rights not be here. (three score years and ten and all that,)we have had the jab every year since, without any side effects from either of us.I am not a religious bloke as is probably evident by my above statement but thank God neither of us has had any problems.;);)
Your's the Luddite.

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So according to these figures, last week there were 0% excess deaths in the North West but 7.2% in the South East.
But guess who gets locked down.
Madness.

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Exile, you can post all the information that you like about the statistics.....very few people are interested in hearing that we are being hoodwinked.
As the man said 'it is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they are being fooled'
( attrib Mark Twain).
All an exercise in psychological control.

People believe what they want to believe.....and yes that includes me too....except I look for evidence.

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Can someone explain this support bubble thing to me. I live with my dad and nephew currently and my girlfriend lives in nelson. I cant quite get my head around it all.

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A bubble is the people you live with....and to be considered a bubble you must live in the same house.
Currently you would not be allowed to visit your girlfriend because she lives in another household.
A suppot bubble is someone that you may not live with but needs help with activities of living..they need support.
Ideally and to reduce the risk it should be someone who can live in the same house...especially if they come into the vulnerable category(elderly, diabetic, heart disease, asthma, or other lung problems, immune suppressed etc)...that is what I understand the 'bubble' concept to be...it is a very limited mixing of (usually) family members.
I am sure Rob, if anyone knows any different they will put me right. and let you know.

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An update on the support bubble....you can belong to a support bubble if you help,someone who lives alone....you can go into their home.

None of this makes much sense.
These illogical rules that seem to,have no consistency mean that they are likely to be ignored.

This should be called Mushroom Government....they feed us Manure (bogus statistics that do not add up) and keep us in the dark(about the true motives of these removals of our freedoms).
I have 'Rona Fatigue'....I am tired of hearing about the doom and gloom....you cannot get away from it.
Yesterday there was a van driving around the area with an LED large screen on the side saying'You are in a HIGH RISK area.
I expected to see it being followed by a black van with speakers on it calling out 'bring out your dead'.
Ludicrous...utterly ludicrous.

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take for granted that all the figures quoted on the media from the government are totally correct then its obvious to me that the present strategy is not working. there is always more than one way to solve all problems in life and quicker this government start taking notice of many other scientists in the medical proffesion then our lives and economy might actual get back to normal. no one likes being proved wrong especially politicians.

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do not like to bring up WW2 again, but imagine this government and its cronies being in power in 1940. after the first bomb was dropped they,d have got the whole population in a state of utmost fear before surrending a week later. the amount of deaths and bombs dropped would be reported by the BBC in far greater numbers than even the german propaganda radio would report.

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It is time the government came clean and started reporting NOT the number of tests(as cases), but the number of people who are actually showing symptoms that require medical intervention....except that these would be small and less significant than the numbers being bandied aboit.
MH...if this were wartime we would be getting no figures.
There was strict censorship of the carnage that went on during the wars.

Right now the Media are part of the governments armoury when it comes down to generating fear.

I am not afraid of the virus, but I am very afraid of what these authoritarian rules are doing to the population, in health and welfare and in social and economic terms.
They have annihilated the economy and there are going to be so many consequences of their ill-considered actions....following computer modelling instead of using common sense.

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give oer,take for granted comments on media are correct pmsl very few comments by those cretins are ever correct,

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It seems that Sinopharm( a Chinese Pharma company) has come up with a vaccine that is proven(allegedly) to provoke an immune response to The virus.
No surprise there then.....seeing as China patented this virus the day after it was reported to be capable of being spread to humans.....they probably had this vaccine before they released the virus.

I will away now and have another of my anti-cynical pills...it seems like my last dose has worn off.

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Great article from Lockdown Sceptic website from someone who has a degree in biochemistry and toxicology and a research-based PhD in respiratory pharmacology, has spent 30+ years leading new medicines research in some of the world’s largest pharmaceutical companies, including serving as Vice President & Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory at Pfizer, and since leaving Pfizer he has founded his own biotech company, Ziarco, which he sold to the world’s biggest drug company, Novartis, in 2017.
So, obviously, the MSM will brand him a “conspiracy theorist”.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/

Btw, Margaret will like the opening quote in the above article.

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Before I opened the link I knew that this was going to be from Mike Yeadon...I have read articles by him and they all make interesting reading and I feel confident that this man knows what he is talking about....I also have faith in the stuff being produced by Carl Heneghan too(Centre for Evidence BasedMedicine).
And yes I do like the opening quote....I have used it a few times in this thread.
Exile, this is a longish read and I feel that it will have very little notice taken of what it is saying, because there are people who do not want to hear this, preferring the stuff being churned out by Whitty, Vallance, Van Tham et al....because they are the scientific advisers to the government....and why would they mislead us?
Don't they have our interests and health at the heart of what they are doing?

Well, that's an easy one to answer.....all of them have links to big Pharma.....and big Pharma want us all to be scared enough to have the vaccine to fill their coffers.
A vaccine that can do whatever damage it likes because the companies that make it, and those who administer it are protected from litigation....so NO they do not care about our health and wellbeing.

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Well now we are in tier 3 even support bubbles are not allowed it seems

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1245827]It is time the government came clean and started reporting NOT the number of tests(as cases), but the number of people who are actually showing symptoms

the only problem we have now got is that people who wake up with one or more virus symtoms are now automatically thinking they,ve got it. feel sorry for some who have been taken in by project fear where previous coughs and saw throats were more or less ignored. now some will think that the grim reaper is really knocking at their doors. thank you government and your hand picked advisors and that nice mr.hancock.

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Now we know why the Govt and its Project Doom pals in the media NEVER report the number of ‘positive’ tests in relation to the total number of tests.
Here’s the figures from Germany. Can’t imagine why it would be much different here.

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I am not sure that support bubbles are not permitted.
The very fact that it is for the support of someone who is vulnerable(for whatever reason) should mean that it is permitted.
If my Ma was still here I would be part of her support bubble.....and regardless of the rules I would have visited her every day...well that is, of course unless they jailed me.

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I have just checked with the government site and support bubbles are still permitted in this tier three lockdown, as are childcare bubbles.
Hope this helps Rob.

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they can regulate and call stuff what they like, but if someone asks and requires my help in their home i,ll be there. stuff em and their consequences.

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We are being told today that there have been 241 more deaths.....they are not saying that these are from Covid.....but they are saying that these are people who died within 28 days of a positive test.....so they are being economical with the truth.
They will know exactly how many have died from the virus....but they don't want to tell us....preferring to let us think that 241 have died from Covid, rather than with it.

How many people are going to,die as a result of being denied treatment for cancer, for heart disease, diabetes and strokes???.....how many people will die as a result of not being able to access a face to face appointment with a doctor?

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They have done that since 28 days was introduced, a blind man can see that,

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Be careful what you say Cashy you could upset our main conspirator erm I mean contributor.


Or do I?

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Yes, I know and it is lying by not giving the correct information
We were told the Liverpool was going into tier three because their ICU was 80%
Full, but the hospitals in Liverpool refuted this and said it was 70%(and this is the usual level of occupancy).
So you have to be cynical about what is being said...even more cynical about WHY!

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Less, please..if you think I am a conspirator, then don't hide behind language.
It really doesn't matter what you think...or for that matter what you say.
I know what I think will not resonate with many people....and that is OK by me.

You do not have to agree with me...nor does anyone else either.

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they did that from the very start, for ease is my belief. dont agree with it myself but was a danger of hospitals being well overloaded.imho

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Margaret I don't really care what you are anymore.

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Thank you Less!

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actually when i have visited people in hospital they have always looked full to me. you have worked in these places margaret so i imagine that the percentages quoted have been correct at this and other times of the year. what per centage of ICU beds do they possibly want. if it got too low then they may shut em anyway and move patiants somewhere else.

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I am still in contact with some of my past colleagues...some of whom are now retired, but they have daughters who work in the NHS...they tell me(and I have no reason to doubt this) they are not allowed to mention anything about what is going on in the hospitals, but the level of patients in the local ICU is lower than at this time last year...and that two of the patients currently being looked after are not patients with the virus.

But then you do not have to believe this...after all why would anyone believe a conspiracy theorist?
I have added to this post a picture of the main corridor of the RBH...this was taken at mid morning recently when a family member had to go for blood tests because the local GP practice would not do them...citing Covid restrictions.

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And to add to anecdotal evidence such as the above photo, the article below reveals that the NHS in the North West is deliberately withholding data on admissions from the Manchester Evening News. Or at least being told to do so.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/

Why would a public agency or government deliberately refuse to provide admissions data to a bona fide newspaper, or is the MEN now a conspiracy rag?

I saw a table (still trying to find it again) which compared Liverpool’s ICU capacities at this time of the year with 2019. Last year (no pandemic!) they were closer to 100% than now.

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Hello Exile. Welcome to the conspiracy theorists club.
At least now I will have someone to talk to.

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Covid admissions in the North West are no higher than admissions would be for other respiratory illnesses in a normal year. Yes, Covid admissions are up, but admissions for pneumonia are down. Indeed, hospital admissions for all respiratory illnesses in the North West were about half the five-year average at the end of September. What looks to be happening is that elderly patients who would normally be admitted for flu and pneumonia are being admitted for COVID-19 instead. Which means that hospitals in the North West are nowhere close to being overwhelmed. If that’s the rationale for placing Greater Manchester in Tier 3 – protect the NHS – it doesn’t stack up.

That is an extract from the linked article in Exiles post....my sources(though they be anecdotal) reflect this...so tell me...why do you think we are being lied to??

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have they reached the point of actually believing their own lies. its like as a kid when you stetched the truth somewhat or in your teens when your success with the girls became more of your fantisy than fact. the government now has gone down one line so long their minds of them and their advisors cannot admit and will not change from more mistakes. they believe now they are right.

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its not a conspiracy theorists club, its millions who know there is more than one way to do any job like there always will be.

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Here’s the evidence the Govt have been withholding that proves it must be all those pubs and bars that causing Covid deaths.��

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those who do not frequent pubs and bars will still insist that they do. when non mark wearers say that the numbers have gone up since mask wearing became compulsory in certain places the mask brigade say it would have even been higher without them. you just cannot win. millions have been so easily taken in by certain scientists and the government that i,ll bet they would have been surprised how easy its been.

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It ‘s now more of a game show for ego-strutting politicians and their friends and families in the MSM than anything else.

Btw, if anyone genuinely believes wearing a mask will actually protect them, here’s some information that might worry them even more.
Unfortunately (for those who don’t like reading) it’s fairly long, but very informative.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/

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A very interesting read, but I fear this will anguish unread.it seems to me that most folk feel that the knee jerk policy that is mask wearing, is acceptable, even welcomed.

I recently read a peer reviewed article on the wearing of masks and the long term damage that may ensue as a result.
All masks shed fibres....these are inhaled and cause pulmonary(lung) irritation.
There is even the risk of pulmonary fibrosis....this is a terminal condition with a prognosis of less than five years.
Not to mention the inhalation of fungal spores...again incurable.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1246075]A very interesting read, but I fear this will anguish unread.it seems to me that most folk feel that the knee jerk policy that is mask wearing, is acceptable, even welcomed.

I recently read a peer reviewed article on the wearing of masks and the long term damage that may ensue as a result.

round my way there seem to be more muzzle wearers outside in places you do not need em. even just over one hour ago a woman was walking her dog on the moors above haworth with one on.{her not the dog**. the more that are seen wearing em then the more of a chance of em being made compulsory to wear one outside the house. infact i always make a comment to her in the kitchen when we see a masked raider as we call em in a non mask situation till they can hear it. have been told in the past my voice really carries. sod what they think.

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That should read 'languish'.....not anguish, though there is a fair bit of that about right now.

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The mask has almost gained fashion status.
I saw a young lass in a mask that was covered all over in sequins.....she will wear that day in, day out and it will never see the inside of a washing machine or a hot wash(not that a hot wash removes much in the way of bacteria...so pretty, but useless.

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the muzzle club just will not believe it. boris and the two amigo,s know whats best for us all.

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Yorkingshire isn't alone in that particular mentality, I travel extensively through Germany & cross a few international borders regularily, the amount of people sitting in their car driving wearing a muzzle is incomprehensible to me.


Alone in their car????? No one near or far & the plates indicate they aren't local, yet fully muzzled ........ On Thursday the gestapo were clamping down in Krautyland, (govt. sanctioned may I add, shades of 1930's resurgence?) plod, ordnungsamt & other state organs were "visiting" public spaces, "Bahnhofen & offentliche verkher" basically trains & buses, to advise Adolf & Eva Volk about the error of their ways by not being muzzled (fines varying from 100 - 1000 € dependent on State/fine list).


Watching the Bayerische news the talk was of 125€ starter, then doubling for repeat "offenders" every incidence of non-compliance (in the words of Buzz Lightyear) into "Infinity & beyond!

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if the police had been as heavy handed on drug abuse and anti social behaviour at the start then the country would even now be a better place to live in. suppose non muzzle wearers are a much softer touch without em getting into a scrap or worse.

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I noted that the police tactics with the Anti lockdown demonstrators was of a different calibre to that used on the BLM and the Extinction Rebellion crew.....and this demonstration was far more moderate (from what I have seen) than either of the other demo’s....no raised fists, no blocking of roads by boats.......and they took their litter home.
These are the moderate little people who can see the damage being done by these ridiculous regulations and controls.
Last week the. Virus was 19th in the list of causes of death in the UK.

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to be honest i feel sorry for the police, its the higher ups instructing them that let things down, i only know a couple but both say the same thing.thing is its the ordinary plod that get all the stick imho.

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Cashy, in some places the police are acting like the stasi....they are ignoring burglaries, and such to pursue these ‘soft’ targets....they have been politicised and that should never be.

They are being tasked with something that is not their role.....and if you see them treating similar groups, but with political agendas, differently, then they are not impartial...the law should be upheld in the same way regardless.

They were dancing with Extinction Rebellion protestors....and this was during the Covid crisis.so it has to be politically driven.

People are just fed up of being lied to and misled.
I am with Maureen Eames from Bradford.....though ten years younger I would like to live my life unfettered....choose my own risks.
I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

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That does not detract from what they are being instructed to do? end of the day they have a job and income to think about,

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Cashy, they are supposed to uphold the law impartially.
It has always been so...and they know this when they enter the force.
They are paid for what they do...and they will have jobs and pensions when many other folk have neither (as a result of this badly managed fiasco)

It is clear to me that they don’t act or behave impartially, there are many instances that can be cited...like taking the knee at BLM demo’s.....treating the Extinction Rebellion demo’s as a carnival....and that is them ‘doing their job’

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And it’s going to be OK....frontline NHS staff will be able to access a vaccine ‘within weeks’.

Yes, well I hope it is not a case of those choosing not to have this are told they have no job.
I would imagine that many of those front line staff, having been exposed to the vaccine already have some immunity to it.

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well you believe that if you choose i believe what plod has told me everyone has bosses,

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Of course everyone has bosses.
That was not in dispute.
It seems that the rules are open to a very wide interpretation....like don’t let it look like you are harassing the BLM....or ER...but come down on those who are demonstrating against government policy....and that, is not impartial....whether it is from the bosses or not....they are part of the police force.

I believe what I can see....I saw police taking the knee and dancing with ER....that’s enough for me.

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I saw the same and was disgusted but i reckon they were told to you obviously do not.

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i do not know whether they were told to take the knee....and to dance, but that they were not taken to task about it means that the ‘bosses’ accepted that partisan behaviour.
If it is not stopped then the ‘bosses’ are complicit.
And I was disgusted by the unprofessional behaviour too....so I cannot see why you would think it obvious that I did not find it so.

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there was not much smiling and dancing last weekend or at the battle of orgreave. police force for them police service for BLM and EL. not surprised when many at the top or near the top of the police are either all things to all men or box tickers.

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more like restrictions in what the can and cannot do. if they refuse and in small numbers their choice will be to resign or join the majority. that may be our chance in a year or so.