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No it isn't about saving time by putting it down to Covid.
There has been a report in the media that states that the figure MAY have been exaggerated due to a statistical flaw.

A lot of people that have been counted as Covid deaths have not been killed by the virus...they have died of other causes but were positive on test for Covid....so Covid goes down as the cause of death.

This situation with the rising numbers of positive Covid patients in the South Asian population is primarily because they have not followed the rules about not mixing with other families.
Asian young boys have been seen in Blackburn playing football and not social distancing.
Where were the police in this situation, because they were dishing out fines to others.
This is not racist...it is factual.
It doesn't sit well when the majority of us have been following the advice.

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Another very interesting read.
Thank you for that.
I think that PHE and SAGE have been deliberately misleading us to enhance the control of the population.
There have also been reports that the UK may already have a degree of herd immunity.
That many of us have been in contact with other types of coronavirus and this has given us some protection....which maybe why some people have had only very mild/or no symptoms at all.

Which then begs the question....why are we being told to use masks.
Is it because it will look like this has worked when the true figures are published?
And the politicians can give themselves a pat on the back....and maybe an independent review can be brushed under the rug?

Look at the protests that took place around the BLM issue....no social distancing, very few wearing masks but no elevation in the figures of infections in those areas as a result of these gatherings.

There is no doubt that for some people, this is going to be a very serious infection(and it makes me ask if there was some other mutation of the virus at play in the cases where complications like clotting disorders, occurred).

I do not believe what I am being told by government sources. I fear that we are being manipulated into giving up our freedoms.
These may be very difficult to claw back....and instilling fear means that many people are happy to trade their freedom for what they see as safety...it doesn't mean it is safe.
All life comes with risks...I want to manage my risks myself....at my age I feel I have earned that right.
I do not take information on face value....I like to find out things for myself

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round where we live its the young lads who are out playing football.cricket etc but to me thats down to the parents allowing it,! all generations live in their houses, its crazy to me. you never see the females out like this, i would imagine cos they aint allowed.? yeh never hear any of this on the news they are afraid of being called RACIST, it sod all to do with that its common sense,

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Of course they aren't allowed....but have the police been and rounded them up and fined them?
If the answer is NO, then you have to ask......WHY NOT?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...-a9623791.html

I have posted the link to the report of the yet unpublished Oxford study regarding the possibility of herd immunity.

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I hope that comment does infer that you class me as being a bad egg.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1242107]Of course they aren't allowed....but have the police been and rounded them up and fined them?
If the answer is NO, then you have to ask......WHY NOT?

Maybe because we do not have enough police to round up all the people who are breaking the lockdown rules. How many police officers would be needed to stop ever person entering every shop without wearing a mask ?

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If you can read and understand those graphs then you are a better man than I am old lad.

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What do you think Taddy?
Especially as in an earlier post I had said I respected our differences...and it was differences that stopped life from being boring.
If you though for one moment that I considered you a bad egg...then truly I would be disappointed.

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[QUOTE=taddy;1242109]
I really do not know how many would be required to do this...but I do know that they were fining people (not being racist, but they were white girls) for what the police considered to be infringements of the lockdown rules...and they could find someone to collar a hang glider on top of Pendle hill...so I think maybe they could round up these people(who are in the high risk South Asian ethnic group) well except there would be howls of protest that they were being targetted.
These people of colour want to be treated fairly...so shouldn't they be taken to task about their infringement?

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Taddy I can understand them..rocket science isn't in it.


As I have said before you can learn anything you want to learn.
If you don't want to learn something then you won't bother trying(I know because I have a husband who only learns what he needs to learn...the rest he leaves to m....and he has never in his life read an instruction manula)

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Please point me to the post where i tell you that i know it all....I would be very interested in reading it.

There is no post to say that you know it all but as you dispute the advice from the chief medical personel of this country and others, it does come across that you seem to think that you know better than they do, just an observation.
Stay masked, Stay safe, Stay happy. Taddy.

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and you trust these people Taddy?
You believe what they tell you....you do not question what is being done under the guise of keeping us safe.
They(the government) is not interested in keeping us safe...they are just interested in covering their hides and so far they seem to be making a right dogs breakfast of things.
There is no sense to what has been done. no consistency...it is all knee jerk stuff.

Did you answer the question I posed about pubs and restaurants...and before you tell me that it is impossible to go for a pint and wear amask...I know this...but if the risk is so great that we need to wear masks now to shop then surely it was madness to open pubs and eating places.

And as for disputing the advice of the Chief Medial Officer...that is not what I am doing...I am questioning the sense of it...and from where I stand there is none.

Taddy, you have your views on this issue...and I have mine...they are never going to meet.

I have as much to stay safe for as anyone...in fact I have far more because I have a family member who is recovering from cancer...but I will still not be wearing a face mask unless I am drafted to work in a hospital theatre...and then the mask I wear will be suitable for purpose and I know how to put it on sefely and take it off without contaminating anything and I know how to dispose of it safely without risk to anyone else.

I have clearly outlined my rationale for my views....I post moderately, and by that I mean I consider WHAT I am posting.

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It is interesting to note that as of yesterday there were six patients being treated in the Royal Blackburn Hospital for the virus....now I am unsure what the population of Blackburn is, but it is somewhere in the region of 120,000...yesterday 19 people tested positive for the virus.....so if the numbers were lumped together....25 people out of 120,000...Taddy I was rubbish at maths but I know this is an infinitesimal amount in percentage terms.

I know percentages mean nothing oif you have a family member with this infection...but does this number warrant locking down a town?

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think everyone can tell their own story about people who have died in that citcumstance. know of someone with a terminal cancer, gone into a hospice due to that, yet his death was recorded as covid 19. there must have been some miracle of biblical proportions where he recovered from cancer but got the virus in a few days. without doing stuff like this the government could not have started their project fear.

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thats why they have never used percentages from the outset. giving out numbers sounded mote serious than saying something 0.01 of the population.in fact the blackburn outbreak is about 0.005.

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Around March the Government overturned the law that was brought in after Dr.Shipman’s exploits and allowed death certificates to be signed by only one doctor and even if he/she had not known the deceased.

https://www.themdu.com/guidance-and-...id-19-outbreak

This was backed up by the BMA’s insurers telling doctors that they would be covered for any death that was recorded as down to Covid 19.
Go figure, as some would say.

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PHE is withdrawing yesterday's Covid stats....this is said to be due to 'statistical flaws'.
Is that a euphemism for 'porkies'.

The whole situation regarding the figures is meant to bamboozle the fearful general public.
The 'R' number is a prime example of this.
If you went out and about and asked people what they understood by this number, I GUARANTEE that you would get a Gallic shrug, meaning most do not know.

Why is it that the powers that be use something to quantify the virus in terms that they know most people have no grasp of(and thus is very unlikely to be challenged)?....it is because they want the public to remain fearful, because fearful people comply with senseless rules.

It is only because I am still in touch with someone who works at RBH that I know just how many people were affected yesterday.

I have been taken to task by a couple forum members about what they see as my 'cavalier attitude'.....and that because of my past career it is assumed that I will be in favour of all these restrictions.
It is because of my past career that I know we are not always told the truth....but are told what is considered to be what is good for us.

The people who are setting the rules know not much more than the man in the street.(they are supposed to be experts, but in my book X marks the spot and a spurt is a drip under pressure)
And if I were organising some kind of party in a brewery I would not trust them to get it done effectively.

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i aint sure they were porkies, it is summat new and no-one had much of a clue about it is my view, to me they just did their best in crap circumstances, its easy to shove blame on anything, i have done it myself in days gone by.

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Ah Cashy, you are so trusting.
I appreciate that they were in what they called an 'unprecedented situation'....and yet it is not rocket science to tell people how many people in the country have been positively diagnosed with this virus....and tell them in terms that they would understand.
That they did not do this makes me suspicious.

The other thing that was wrong from the very start was, they knew that the infection was being imported on flights from other countries...and yet still they allowed flights to land and disgorge those who had been in China where the outbreak began....in fact two of the first people infected were a Chinese student and her mother who flew in from China.

Cashy, if it occurs to me, that this was just clearly wrong, then why did it not occur to these experts?

How does it makes sense to accommodate those who are suspected of having the virus in a district general hospital.

Patients who were suspected of having this should have been placed in quarantine away from their families. With dedicated staff that looked after only this kind of patient.

Again, this is just a 'common sense' measure. I know that common sense does not grow in everyone's garden.
Arrowe Park was set aside for some people....and they were not released until it was clear that they were free from infection....and I know that these were not patients as such, but those who were suspected of carrying the virus.(from a cruise ship if my memory serves me well...from abroad anyway)

A lot of time and effort was expended in setting up The Nightingale units....they have not been used.....so please don't tell me that it could not be done.

We are being fed information that is not true.....doctors can certify any death as being due to the virus.....so how is that being truthful.....and it should not be allowed.
Exile has provided proof of the advice given to Doctors, so this is not fake news.

In the end, everyone will believe what they are comfortable with....and whatever their beliefs are, they will do what they are comfortable with to ensure that they feel safe.

I have absolutely no issue with that...the issues I have are that I have observed the lockdown, I am still observing the rules, but I object to being told I must wear a face mask when this was NOT required at the start of the pandemic when the risks(if we believe what we are told) were greater.
So I won't be wearing one.
And no-one has asked what my strategy will be for not wearing a mask....I will not visit any shops until this useless rule is lifted.
I will still go out and about...just not to the shops.
It is a joyless pursuit right now anyway.

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Thanks Marge, I feel better now, (or maybe it's my first Hobgoblin kicking in).
Only joking, kind regards Taddy.

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Taddy, as if I would fall out with you....we are grown ups.
Grown ups do not go off in a sulk if someone does not agree with them...or in my world they don't.
You are not a chameleon, you do not need to take on the colour of my opinions for me to value your friendship.

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PS....Taddy there is a rumour that a couple of Hobgoblins can cure anything!

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i have to say how yeh think i am trusting defeats me completely? never have been never will be, just think they were truly knackered with this virus, and i also think no government would have done any better.

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C'mon Cashy...can you not spot a 'tongue in cheek'comment ......I was being just a bit fly with you.(sorry..could not help myself)
I know you far too well(well, on here anyway).
You are like me...you tell it like it is.

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As for any other government doing better....looking at the calibre of those in Westminster right now.....I cannot fault you on that comment.

But there was a distinct lack of common sense....but just my opinion....and that counts for nowt.

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I may have said this before but a mate of mine told me years ago that if the bottom is falling out of your world just drink a few pints of real ale and the world will then fall out of your bottom. Ha.Ha.

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no never spotted it, but then never expected it.:)

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Got to admit, the labour lot, right at the beginning claimed they would help The present Gov' in any way, however all they come out with is criticism (they claim it's positive criticism), I think though they are just trying to hide their recent bad past and hope the tories cock up so that they can convince enough mugs to vote them back in next time around.

I am a mug, but they will have to start giving real help to the present Gov' in a very tricky situation for me to think they are a leopard that has changed it's spots not just gone bald from anorexia.

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its ok slagging summat off if yeh got a good alternative which i never saw from Labour, mind never expected from a leader that covered rotherham,rochdale and saville up, when he was leader od the D.P.P. that finished me completely with them after a lifetime.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington; I object to being told I must wear a face mask when this was NOT required at the start of the pandemic when the risks(if we believe what we are told) were greater.
So I won't be wearing one.
And no-one has asked what my strategy will be for not wearing a mask....I will not visit any shops until this useless rule is lifted.
I will still go out and about...just not to the shops.
It is a joyless pursuit right now anyway.[/QUOTE]

filled up yesterday with over a month of food for us and the dogs. did this in colne and i totally had enough of it half way round. every shop full of notices of do this, do that, do not touch this ask the totally bored shop assistant for help etc. etc. good job its free parking there as i,d have used my hour up reading notices at the first shop i visited. her in the kitchen was as sick as me and she loves shopping. next friday is face covering day and that on top of the rest of the stuff will push a few over the edge i think. with my quick temper they can shove the high street for the forseable future.

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just one for those thinking of going to haven etc. for a holiday in this country this year. sorry i should call it a staycation to be BBC correct. we have a free holiday to pick up from park resorts but all the rules and regs involved just to book into the place for a start before the rules to obey once you are in has put us right off. we could not actually book in because we have no smart phone for a start. stay at home. do not even bother.

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I said in an earlier post that 'You are NOT required to wear a mask if you have medical issues that would make this difficult for you'
Now this is information from the government.....and you do not need to provide proof of what your medical condition is....you can just 'self declare'.
I was speaking to two managers of shops in Accrington and both of them knew of this.

I have a neighbour who has health issues....she is worried about other people in shops complaining that she is not following the rules, so I have made her a badge that tells everyone she is exempt from wearing a face mask. This will just pin onto her coat or cardigan....she was in tears when I gave it to her.
She wants to be able to do her own shopping and not rely on others....she is 81 and throughout all of this she has done everything that is required of her...but was getting very anxious about wearing a face mask to shop.
When I gave it t

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Post 632 is to tell you of the rules...it is not to encourage you to break the rules....just in case anyone was in doubt.

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What I’m waiting for is the backlash (not that the govt subsidised media would report it) from retailers that:
(a) footfall declines again after the mandatory mask madness, and
(b) shoplifting has increased exponentially from some of those who do wear masks.
All those expensive CCTV systems and surveillance cameras are now useless.

Welcome to life in Londanistan
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...ng-the-public/

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The wearing of masks is not down to new vidence that they now work, but it is because the WHO(not blameless in this pandemic as they hid the information about transmissibility.....that Chine knew about, from the rest of the world...the head of this organisation is in thrall of the Chinese) have been lobbied by political factions.

You can only be sure if masks work if there have been randomised controlled trials.....there have been none of these.
The evidence for the wearing of masks is full of holes.....the scientists will use flaky term like 'could' 'maybe' 'possibly'...nothing about the scientific advice is based on solid evidence....and I thought that scientists liked to have such evidence to back up their claims....and so that the 'stick of blame' could not be used against them.

Much of the evidence that suggests the wearing of masks is detrimental to healthy peopl has quietly and mysteriously disappeared from the Internet....I wonder why and who sanctioned it?
But it is alright because millions of us have seen it and know what it said.

Mask wearing is NOT going to protect you.
It is just a knee jerk reaction and visible evidence that the general public is compliant.

Maybe Boris looked at the figures from Scotland(their deaths from Covid are at zero) maybe he was told that this was because Wee Krankie had implemented mask wearing and had not lifted lockdown....of course....all rubbish, it is down to the way Scotland records the figures.

They do not record all deaths that had previously had a positive Covid test, as being from Covid...they have a 28 day cut off period....So if you recover from Covid and get knocked down by a bus.....it will NOT be recorded as a Covid death...whereas in England it WOULD.

People we are being misled and taken for fools.

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Oh yes...the gyms are opening soon.
Guess what?
You need not wear a mask to go to the gym. You can spend a couple of hours there....on the treadmill, the Exercycle, the ropes, the weights.
You can exert yourself, you can grunt and sweat....you can exhale to you hearts content....but you do NOT have to wear a mask.

Yet I cannot stroll,around Asda for my twenty minute shop....not breaking a sweat, no puffing or panting....but I have to wear a mask.
Now tell me....doe this make sense to you?
If it does, please explain it to this dummy.
Yet

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HaHa, what a cracker Marge, or as Frank Carson used to say, It's the way I tell em.

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why has your name been deleted from your posts Marge? or is the accy web being updated or whatever.

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whist you say masks dont protect you, i am under impression they help protect other people.?

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That was my point also Cashy, it has been proved that you can have the virus without even knowing that you have it,as such you could pass it to others unconciously; surely it must be better to be safe(er) than sorry(er) but other's may disagree.

Stay safe, Stay masked, Taddy.

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Not necessarily, the N95 mask will filter out particles(this includes bacteria) above 300 nano-microns, but viruses like the Covet 19 are 190 nano-microns...so they will not stop these from escaping through the mask.
This is information from an instructor in the military on biological warfare.

Not only are you not protecting others, you are leaving yourself at risk.....because you are thinking that the mask makes things safer for you.

All this u turn has not been because scientists believe that masks are now safer...it is because of political lobbying of the WHO.

But if you feel that you can wear a mask, put in on and take it off and dispose of it safely(once used it becomes a biohazard).
I have seen people with single use masks take them off and put them in their pocket....does this mean they are going to re-use it?
I hope not, but how do you know?

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Do mask do what they are designed for ? I am no scientist but what I do think is if they dont do their job , they certainly wont be doing any harm , I will be wearing one as I did at the hairdressers, I admit I was glad to remove it once outside but if that is what we are being asked to do then so be it.

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If you have the virus and have no symptoms then there is a strong likelihood that you have immunity.
Masking up will not prevent you from passing any viruses on....they can get through the masks.....nurses who wear masks in a clinical setting are doing so to prevent them breathing out BACTERIA onto a sterile surface...or onto a wound.
It will not prevent viruses from escaping.

Once a mask has been used for 15 minutes it is moist enough to allow the passage of pathogens in both directions...from someone else to you....and from you to someone else.
This I have pointed out numerous times, but my influence is obviously rubbish as this point has not been taken notice of.

Believe what you like...wear a mask...don't wear a mask...it is your choice bearing in mind that had they really believed that mask wearing was useful we would have been required to do it at the outset of the pandemic....which has been over exaggerated....the numbers that is...not the disease.

The other thing is in the areas where there is more testing the figures will be higher for positive results...if you are not looking for something, then you won't find it.
But here I am talking to myself...soon they will take me away.

I am not a rebel.....but I do not trust what I am being asked to accept as the truth.

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They prevent the spread of bacteria breathed out by you....but are ineffectual when dealing with viruses.....so in this instance No...they do not.(and scientists know this)
Greeny, if that makes you feel safer then do it.

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I don't know...wasn't aware that it had been.
Which post is it that it has been deleted from?
Maybe I am being watched for my dissident views.

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Just wanted to be clear...but glad you liked it!

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Surgical masks state on the box that they offer NO protection against Covid.

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whats occured to me is the N.H.S. have stated on the news that there has been 8 deaths on the latest figures. now we all know the figures go up after weekend figures, so does that mean when the figures increase that remainder is who has died in care homes? i think so, cos the government run the N.H.S. so surely have acess to those figures?

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Maybe "cure" isn't quite right Ma, perhaps it's more likely if you drink enough, you'll not really be bothered! :D (Not that I was overly fussed beforehand ;))

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who knows Cashy...the figures are not ot be trusted because PHE trawl the death figures and report any that have been tested as positive or suspected of having covid and they are reported as Covid deaths.
Why might that be...do you think?
Public Health England are responsible for reporting the Figures Cashy...not the NHS.
The blackburn area has reported an extra 32 cases, but this could be because they have been testing for a few days at Witton Park...it takes a couple of days for the results to come through...so it is fairly certain that if they are looking for this virus, then the figures of positives findings will go up.

Matt Hancock has said that the figures are statistically flawed...and that this could be by as much as 50%.
This was only reported when some scientists at Oxford challenged the figures...had they not done so we would still be being fed information that is clearly inaccurate.

you cannot make an informed choice on information that is flawed and that is the category of the stuff that is being fed to the media..for the geeral population to swallow.

As I have said...I am not a rebel.....but I do not accept on face value everything that the authorities would like us to believe.
I stay curious, I question everything....but I also take my own safety and that of my family very seriously.....Nicola is vulnerable and I would never risk her life.

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No but hasn't hobgoblin got alcohol in it?
Doesn't alcohol kill the virus?...if the virus is dead...then no problemo...a cure.
But it won't ever be available on the NHS... the Cure has to be worse than the disease...like all medicine tastes nasty!

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Following the discussions on here there appears to be 2 strongly opposing camps, personally I fall into the anti mask group. That said when I'm out & about doing my job & routines I'll seldom wear a mask unless someone kicks up a fuss (in fact they were more concerned I wasn't wearing a high viz vest when daring to step into their receiving bays/warehouse).


The other thing about it all that rankles & gets my goat is when I step in somewhere to ask where something has to be placed/parked/dropped, then some gobby individual has the gall to question me as to not wearing a mask, while same said gobber isn't traipsing round wearing one!

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I have long maintained the self same opinion, if alcohol is a good defence against the nasties, well ...... getting paralytic pished is practically patriotic & right up there on a par of holiness as st Greta from Thunberg!



(who I notice has been noticeably AWOL by her silence & lack of show over the last few months)

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i am not a mask freak at all, had to wear one most of time for my job, found them uncomfortable and make you hot an sweaty, but with this i will perservere if i must cos i believe there is a lesser chance of passing on if i have the damn thing and dont know,

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Cashy, if that makes you feel better then that is what you must do.
It will be the death of many establishments and that is just collateral damage as far as the govenment is concerned...they only want to look good...and not be questioned, just obeyed.

I am not a mask freak either...as you know I also wore them in relation to my job...but I understood the reasoning for it and it was sound...this is not.

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https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...ng-the-public/
Have a read of this.....now I'm doing an Exile...sorry Exile, but this is worth a read.

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[QUOTE=DaveinGermany;1242201]I have long maintained the self same opinion, if alcohol is a good defence against the nasties, well ...... getting paralytic pished is practically patriotic & right up there on a par of holiness as st Greta from Thunberg!

Thanks for that Dave but there is a big difference between having a few pints of what you fancy and as you say getting paralytic pished.
Your's as ever ,Stay Safe, Stay masked if you want, but stay Pished if you have to.Your's Taddy.

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Why would you need to do an exile Marge,as you stated in an earlier post different folk may have differing opinions but then again that is what makes Accy Web so interesting.
Stay safe but stay on Accy Web. Your's Taddy.

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Your posts were not deleted only your name, The beacon of light still showed but not your name.
I have noticed but usually on a monday morning that when you try to access Accy web all the posts end up with just a jumble of figures/numbers, this happened this morning; all I was thinking is this when the "moderaters check over the contents or whatever of the posts; with me not being very tech savvy I just wondered but whatever, keep up your (as you say) dissident views, you are as much entitled to them as anyone else. (Even Hobgoblin swillers).
Your's Taddy.

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No Taddy...you misunderstand me...it is usually Exile on Spencer St who posts links to articles like the one I posted....I didn't mean I was going into exile....and anyway they wouldn't have me they would say don't let that gobby cow in, she's trouble!

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I didn't spot that...it was fine when I looked.
I thought perhaps the men in grey suits had found out I was spreading dissent and were going to do like they do in China and cover mi in vanishing cream.

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Thank goodness for that, I would have sorely missed our banter.

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Exile(the place) is glad too...they would have had to recruit extra police :D

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1242203]Cashy, if that makes you feel better then that is what you must do.
It will be the death of many establishments and that is just collateral damage as far as the govenment is concerned...they only want to look good...and not be questioned, just obeyed.

the government on one hand talk about the boosts to the economy. doubt there will be many who are going to go into shops for the first time on friday once everyones faces are covered up. there will be quite a lot who will stay away as they just cannot be bothered with the hassle it will cause them.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1242175]I said in an earlier post that 'You are NOT required to wear a mask if you have medical issues that would make this difficult for you'
Now this is information from the government.....and you do not need to provide proof of what your medical condition is....you can just 'self declare'.

only problem i have is i have an itchy skin and i doubt this could be classed as a medical issue. its something i just live with and hardly a condition to add to the long waiting lists for the doctors. i have said too much in the past about the self certificate brigade and the surgery season ticket holders to join em.

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It's a tactical thing Taddy, the art of war & all that. If you maintain your Alcohol levels the nasties have less chance of infiltrating behind your lines! :D


That's my excuse & I'm sticking with it! ;)

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On reading "Littlejohns" article in yesterdays Daily Mail at one point I had to put the paper down as I couldn't read through tears of laughter.
Quote, "Fixed to the fence at the municiple tennis courts in Alexandra Gardens, Windsor, Berkshire and bearing the seals of Public Health England and Windsor and Maidenhead council, it reads; "ONLY HANDLE YOUR OWN BALLS".
To quote Littlejohns catchphrase, "You could not make it up".
Also in the same article it states that a study has shown that anyone who dies and has previously tested positive for corona virus is included in the Covid death toll even if they have fully recovered and then been run over by a bus.As a parting shot he tends to think that it is only a matter of time before "Public Health England", starts to bankroll tennis lessons but remember, (ONLY HANDLE YOUR OWN BALLS).
With many thanks to Littlejohn of the Daily Mail, I almost choked on my Hobgoblin,
Your's, The Luddite.

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Just spotted another comment from "Littlejohn", I hope that I am not breaching any laws of copyright with these posts but I thought this would also go down well with Accy Webb members.
"Quote " the summer of stupidity continues. Snowflake civil servants are demanding the Churchill Room at the Treasury is renamed. How the hell did anyone who degenerates our greatest Prime Minister, the man who defeated Hitler, as a "racist"; ever get a job at the heart of government?
Churcill once said history would be kind to him since he intended to write it. We mustn't let the pig ignorant,statue toppling Left-wing fascists rewrite it
Back to my soapbox, Your's, The Luddite.

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Taddy, I have been telling you for ages that the figures are bogus.

It has been known for weeks and weeks that in England no one ever recovers from Covid......that if you have only been suspected of having had it, and you die from a fall off a swing, or a dog bite....it will be Covid on your death certificate.
Exile provided us with evidence of this by showing us what the BMA had advised Doctors to do so that there were no comebacks.....mark deaths as being due to Covid.

PHE have been trawling for those who had been in hospital/tested positive for the virus....and if they have since died, their deaths have been added to the figures.
The stats are thought to be exaggerated to a level of 50%....maybe more.
Had it not been for Carl Heneghen and a team at Oxford University being sceptical of these figures(because the general death figures are not elevated significantly from the figures for this time last year) then PHE would still be churning out their lies.

Taddy, what does that tell you?
I know what it tells me...but I will let you draw your own conclusions from it.

It is like the rising figures in Blackburn....and maybe Pendle too....the more people you test, the more you will find....and the figures will rise.
You do not find something that you are not looking for.

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I have to admit that I am coming round a bit more to your way of thinking,maybe not totally (yet) but who knows.

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Taddy, you have the access to information in the same way that I have.
In my posts I give my reasons and rationale for what I am posting...but we are all born with the ability to choose.
It is up to you.....whether you come believe what I say does not matter to me(and I mean this most respectfully)......I say it as I see it....can do nothing else.

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i have always been of the opinion that the figures are not true, to me thats certainly not down to B.J. but the lords of the N.H.S. people may disagree they are entitled too but thats my opinion.

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By ticking those boxes I'd assume. :rolleyes:

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Cashy, it is Public Health England that are the culprits.( The figures are from the NHS, but the NHS are not responsible for publishing the figures)

It is they who are responsible for collating the stats.....now whether any other agency is involved in promoting the fear aspect(because these figures have been responsible for fostering fear) is anyone's guess.

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The other thing is...now SAGE is saying that the schools should not have been closed as no teacher ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD has contracted The virus from a pupil.

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aye true but that fact wasnt known at the start ?so to me sage are talking balls,just to stir things imho

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It was fairly clear early on that children were not vectors(unlike in the transmission of other infectious diseases).
The fear factor was so strong that no-one would listen to what was being said.

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Has any government quango ever had such an inappropriate acronym as SAGE?
Sage by name, stupid by nature.

Btw, of those who would allow their names to be listed, there are 86 members of SAGE. And that’s not counting the seven sub-groups. With those numbers it can only be totally unmanageable. Is it any wonder pronouncements and guidance seemS to swing from week to week.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ted-sub-groups

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Yes, it struck me from the beginning that there were far to many 'experts'.....whose expertise was questionable(well look at the track record of Neil Ferguson, he of the foot and mouth fiasco).
When you have so many scientists gathered together, you are not likely to get any kind of agreement.
This is going to change soon for the Joint Biosecurity Centre.....SAGE will be pensioned off.
Now whether this will improve anything is anyone's guess.
It might be another of those 'too little, too late'

I know this article is not new, but it shows the flaws in the SAGE group.....and is critical of their work.....and I don't usually post article from this paper.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ntists-medical

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1242313]Yes, it struck me from the beginning that there were far to many 'experts'.....whose expertise was questionable(

they,ll be fine now as they,ll be able to get on town councils with all that experiance they have to rule our lives once project fear has finally gone away.

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I would not trust them to organise a drinks party in a brewery.

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[QUOTE=Exile on Spencer St;1242308]Has any government quango ever had such an inappropriate acronym as SAGE?
Sage by name, stupid by nature.

sage without onions cannot be that palatable.

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whether they are or not with em going back to school in a few weeks time they,d find another pet expert to prove the point they are not.

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I think that fines are being re-instated for parents who fail to send their children to school, come September.

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What do school teachers and their unions know?

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many of them know very little about general knowledge if quiz shows are owt to go off,

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Nowt!

I lied...they know how to brain rinse impressionable teens.
They are not teaching them how to think, but rather WHAT to think.

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think most of us know they were making a political point at the time. show me a young teacher and i,ll show you a guardian reading liberal of the worst kind.

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And there’s us not reading the Groaniad because it was founded by a evil capitalist who made money off the back of the slave trade and supported the Confederate cotton growers (unlike those ‘ deplorable’, white, working-class cotton workers of Manchester).
Who da thunk it?

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Ah but that is conveniently forgotten....they have political points to score against an evil Tory,Brexit backing government.....and this is the task in hand...well along with converting young minds to their thought paths.

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Doesn't it strike you as strange that these people want to be seen to encourage diversity In all but thought?
Might that be because it is easier to close down a discussion by giving it a derogatory label(racist, homophobic, sexist transphobic, Karen,Gammon)than it is to formulate a plausible argument for their point of view?
Diversity of thought takes intelligence and the ability to analyse....might it be that they do not have those skills.

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they do not want anyone to analyse their position just in case their position is proved to be false. the words, you cannot say that anymore, is only said to one part of society and not all. wish i could ban all this diversity and being told my life has been enriched over the years.

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Now, Monkey hanger you know that that is not the acceptable position.
You are supposed to embrace the changes....see them as enriching...except what is enriching about those from the Asian sub continent grooming young white girls?

What is enriching about these same people dealing drugs(and yes I have personal experience of this....it was happening in Ma's garage in the last three years of her life.....when we made it so they could not get in, they still dealt by the garage doors)

What is enriching about the black on black gang violence. The use of children to run drugs between counties.....because if they are caught the courts are more lenient with them....juveniles being dealt with in different courts.

But then we aren't supposed to see this....or if we do, we are expected to turn a blind eye, because it is seen as racist to call it out.....and the police do nothing because they do not want to stir up racial tensions. These are the same police who 'take the knee' so we should not expect too much of them as they have shown where their allegiance lies.
They let Sharia courts deal with it.

So how is it right that our justice system is undermined like this and we are supposed to ignore it?

I had better shut up now before the thought police come knocking on my door to take me away to re-educate me into the 'right way of thinking'.

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When they turn up at your door don't open it, just play this at' em very, very, LOUD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZiIzZQC0c0

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1242443]Now, Monkey hanger you know that that is not the acceptable position.
You are supposed to embrace the changes....see them as enriching...

true, but my eyes still say different. when my family moved from hartlepool{west Hartlepool in those days** just over 60 years ago now it felt like heaven moving from a real working class town that reaked of deprovation to a small mill town near halifax. some lovely old properties in terraced streets where women took pride in their steps with those stones they used then to clean em up. same in big brother halifax where my married sister lived. go back now after years of enrichers these places make slums look acceptable. going back to hartlepool now its the opposite affect than previously. do not have to give a big clue why. keighley where i now live was actually thought of as being posh with all that green and moorland between the towns. now this has been eaten up in the last few years due to extra housing required. why is all this extra housing needed. for me its to house those who,s families are now older, from different parts of the world where contraception is seen more of a dirty word than a necessity. got to finish as i have heard a siren going off.

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That siren you can hear....I can hear it too....let's hope we are both accommodated in a facility together...I have a feeling we would get on....but then we might be huge trouble for our warders

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1242448]Oh how this post took me back sixty seven years, to when my family moved from Burnley (only six or seven miles) to the village of Huncoat where I have lived ever since. Accrington council, as it was then were allocating newly built "Corporation houses" to people who were prepared to to work in Broad Meadows Colliery ,(Huncoat Pit) or the newly built Power Station.
The house that my parents were allocated was only a cock stride from the green fields and woodland that separated Huncoat from Hapton but to a young lad it was a different world, a paradise might seem too strong a word to use nowadays but that is the only way that I can describe it.
My love of animals, gardening and the countryside in general, stems from the the day in 1954 when my (true) life actually began.
Your's with a tear in my eye, Taddy.

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I think many of us had those kind of experiences back in those days Taddy.
My playground was Priestley Clough.
We(my five brothers and I) would go out first thing and would not go home until it was dark or we were too hungry to carry on playing.
We fished for stickle backs in the lodge(a stocking....attached to a wire circle and put into a length of bamboo.)
We brought hedgehogs home.(full of red mites) We picked brambles and ate them right off the bush....the same with raspberries. We picked bluebells, to our Ma's horror.....would not have them in the house...did not want to cross the fairies.
We once picked a load of apples off a tree and ate them in spite of the fact that they were really,really sour.
We were all up that night with bellyache and had the runs(not good when the lav is out the back).
Taddy, we had what would now be considered impoverished up bringing...yet we were really rich in experiences and they made us the people we are today.
I would not swap my growing up years for anything.

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Me neither Marge.

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do not think it was all about your parents lack of money in your upbringing. i consider myself lucky in that respect, but you and all your mates did similar things to you in a group whose fathers ranged from mill owners to labourers. funny thing is that when we grew up, met em again with all different experiances in life after schooldays we all tend to sing from the same hymn book on present day life. schooldays might not be the happiest days of your life but leisure time rain, snow or shine certainly was.