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odders yeh got to have sense to learn lessons,:rolleyes:

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imagine most of us have had a near to death experiance due to an illness or accident. that should never be used to cloud your judgement in anything. if it does then you should be looking for another job. making millions suffer for your fears just aint on.

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all that is down to the fact of lack of didcussion from day 1 about the subject when you only hear one side of it. anyone that does not agree will get no air time or branded as a lunatic. those still working in the medical world will be very wary to state any facts as its against the governments agenda and they have promotion and their jobs to worry about. when you only are allowed to hear one side of anything it puts me in being wary mode.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1261028]Odders, you can have a quiet .Christmas if that is what you want.
The omicron variant is causing only mild illness (this is from countries where it has been prevalent a bit longer) and no deaths from this variant worldwide….well, that is unless some nefarious political advisers want to ascribe a death to it(and I would not put it past them).

they just cannot wait for someone getting a serious illness with the mandela variant and actually a death caused as well just to make a point. hope there is never a case of black disease caused by C novy that the four legged wooly variety of sheep get and humans catch it.

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Already they are telling us that there are some people in hospital with omicron…..BUT it does not state that that was the reason they were admitted.
It maybe that they were admitted for some other reason and on testing the omicron variant showed up.

I am very sceptical of what we are being told….and how the information is presented.

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not arguing that just stating fact no-one knows proper about covid.

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There are, according to the telegraph, five PROBABLE cases in Blackburn with Darwen.

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Here’s one piece about the ‘Moronic’ (blame predictive text for that) variant.

https://dailysceptic.org/2021/12/11/...ariant-so-far/

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But Exile….the point is NOT the danger of this variant…the
point is all those in the cabinet who are heavily involved in big Pharma could see their profits dwindling…people not coming forward for boosters(that are not boosters but another full dose).

Earlier today I mentioned that pretty soon one of these liars would rock up and tell us someone had died who had tested positive for the variant.
We have been informed by the former Jabmeister Nadia Zahawi that there are now people in hospital with this variant.

Note that he did not say they were admitted because of the variant…..so obfuscation is working well for them in scarifying the sheep…..rounding them up so that they go and stand in the cold and rain to roll up their sleeves.
I am waiting to hear that despite the fact that this causes only mild symptoms we head into another lockdown…powered by the doom mongers who have the government by the curlies

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Margaret,
Don’t think the writer disagrees with you when he writes “ the data so far on the Omicron variant suggests it is very much milder than the Delta variant”

But you’re probably right about those who have financial interest in the vaccines - I guess it’s just a coincidence that, a few days after the UK spends £Billions on millions more shots of so-called boosters along comes a (so far) milder variant that, guess what, can only be treated by a booster!

They’re certainly designed to boost something.

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Yes Exile…I think they have a great stockpile of jabs that they need to offload….so they want us all to roll up our sleeves.
They think we will fall for the mirage of freedom……have the jab, it will set you free…well no, it hasn’t done so far.

If you have to have the virus…then this is the one to have….NO I am not being facetious.
This has a higher transmissability(they tell us)….but it’s symptoms are that of a cold…..it will let your own immune system do the work of recognising this little blighter.
It will allow you to make your own antibodies and T Cells.
These are unlikely to do you any harm because they are yours…they do not contain antifreeze, they have no other nasty ingredients…..and best of all there will be no uncertainty over long term unwanted effects.

They should be encouraging us to have omicron parties so that we can all get a natural booster..

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Well, there you go then…just as I said.
Doris has said that we should forget the idea that this omicron is a ‘mild’ infection.
He is reported to have said that ONE person has now died FROM this variant….
How strange that in the UK our experience is different from the rest oft he world…..and this is according to the WHO.

I just wonder what other scarifying tactics he is prepared to employ….especially as it seems like the NHS has run out of tests….and the jab centres have queues that will take something like five hours to clear.

Shambolic does not come close.

How long to lockdown do you reckon?

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Oh yes I just thought I had better point out that it was my iPad that changed Nadhim Zahawi into Nadia…..predictive text has a lot to answer for.

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Well yes, but it can also be funny, I remember reading somewhere, a daughter sent her mother a text it read:-

How do I get cum out of my hair?

The mother replied,

Well, usually I just use shampoo

The daughter replied

sorry mum, predictive text, that should read,

how do I get GUM out of my hair?

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well the WHO is about as much use as a paper fireguard how many times have they been accurate? its like i said no-one really knows the truth.

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Cashy, that might be because Bill Gates bank rolls the World Health Organisation to the tune of 40%.
But yes, I do agree that they are as much use as a paper fireguard….they hid the outbreak at the outset…they failed to properly investigate the background to the incident of the virus release….why do you think that might be?
Might it be to promote the aims of Bill Gates…and his involvement with the Pharma companies?
Well, I know what my opinions are…..but they are considered conspiracy theories…..and yet, it seems like maybe they aren’t.

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Oh Less…..that is priceless!
And it made me laugh.

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Because as well as Billy boy, the Tiddlies were also bank rolling the WHO too!

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I just seen reported 1576 cases of omicron have been diagnosed in the u.k, but they never say how many really are.probably cos they never tell you.

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No of course they don’t because it does not fit their agenda.
They have, however told us that those suffering from this infection are aged between 18 and 85…..so it tells us nothing.
It seems the majority of these infected are double jabbed but then in those age brackets, most will be jabbed
So again they are telling us not much….they do not say if any of the infected people are unjabbed.

The chances of the numbers getting their booster jabs is that of a snowflake in hell…..the NHS website has gone down and there are huge queues to get these.

So Doris is unlikely to get everyone jabbed by the new year.

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Also of note, both Johnson & Javid mentioned the one fatality, but the turn of phrase they chose to use was "with", not because of. A minor thing in itself but very underhand to my way of thinking, highlighting the death then tagging on the "with" aspect.

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That is probably like with many "covid" deaths that are announced, an underlying thing has caused it.?

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Hate to argue, Margaret, but, if the commissars at the BBC (also funded by Bill Gates) are to be believed, this unfortunate person died in hospital WITH this latest variant.

Of course, no one will ask (a) for what and when was the person admitted into hospital, and (b) did they have any co-morbidities?

“One person with the variant has died in the UK” - just heard that on Radio 4 just now.

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Have just listened to a lady doctor from South Africa who discovered this new one and she is also chairperson of the Health Authority in south africa she stated this new variant is mild compared to the Delta one, she should know she discovered it. so this is no EMERGENCY as far as im concerned.

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Exile, I really do not mind you pointing out that my information was wrong…in fact I delight in the fact that someone else is trying to pick the bones out of this very old and smelly kipper.

That is my fault for relying on MSM for my information (express online)
I was cynical enough to believe we were being misled.
Exile, we will not be told those details because it would blow their cover

As for Bill Gates he seems to be involved in every bl**dy area of life….with his corrupting influence.

Political skulduggery disguised as philanthropy.

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Try GBNews if the Bolshevik Broadcasting Cabal is getting you down.

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Exile, in the earlier reports on this singly variant death…it was said that the person died FROM the variant….and not with it.
Professor Karol Sikorsky an eminent oncologist has called into question the lack of transparency.
Reading between the lines, he implies that this was not accidental….and he is saying that these are alarmist reports, because they omit relevant details…much of them as you pointed out would help us to determine our own risks.

For my part I will go about my daily doings with an eye to continuing my own safety, because I believe these curbs are unnecessary and that the sooner we get to live our lives unfettered, then the sooner this virus will diminish in its fear factor.

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I actually do not watch news broadcasts….I cannot stomach the constant ‘parroting’ of information that (to my mind anyway) is bogus scaremongery.
I watch less and less TV these days.
It is either all workers or too sweary for me.

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Aye, saw that to Cashy, on GB News with the Nige.

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Here (I hope) is a piece about Dr. Karol Sikora’s comments….

https://dailysceptic.org/

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GBnews give both sides of the picture thats why i watch it, you can make yer own mind up with that.

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or just full of all box tickers with all boxes covered. would love to see a remake of my favourite film the Third Man with a modern cast. Harry and Holley must be a gay couple, harry,s girl friend a tranny with a few black actors thrown in to make post war vienna look realistic. surely covid could come into it where harry lime sells the diluted vaccine on the black market as a booster.

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that should be what all stations should be doing. goubbells would be proud of our present north korean style media.

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The lack of transparency is an issue for me.

When the government misrepresents something to fulfil its own agenda without telling us what the agenda is….well, I find it sinister.

What the government ministers with responsibility for this are doing is , lying by omission…..and that also concerns me.

It seems like big Pharma are pulling the strings.

Every single jab administered has a financial cost…..one of these is £28 a throw, the other is £15….add to this the £15-20 cost that is being paid to GP’s and you can see it is not ‘pin money’….this would not be so bad if it truly did stop you getting it…and passing it on, but it doesn’t.
So not actually a vaccine be definition.

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that professer comes on G.B. news once or twice a week usually on wootan at 9-00 at night, love listening to him.

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Cashy he talks and writes sense.

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agree thats why i never miss him.

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I do like Dews & Co. she really does give it stick.

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have to say we watch it about 5/6 hours a day dave.always watch from 9-00 at night wootan is on 4 and baron on 3 and different times during the day.

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Alright for you old codgers who've got nothing to do all day ...... some of us are out grafting! :D


Normally get a couple of hours in the evening, that's when I'm at home mind & not parked up in some Firms wagon park overnight. :)

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rarely watch live but never miss the youtube clips they put out.

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but this morning one of their pet scientists has told us to be afraid as the south african population is quite different from ours being on average much younger. only a few weeks before they were saying it would be younger people who would be affected by the mandela flu. wish they,d get their lies and propagabda right as some of us still have a memory of sorts.

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It is akin to Dominic Raab inflating the omicron figures that are hospitalised from ten to two hundred and fifty.
Liars all of them….and when you are a liar you need to have a good memory…and none of this lot has.

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Confusion continues to reign over here, and from what I am reading on Accyweb this is the same over there. Here are some questions I wanted to know the answer to, and here is what I found depending where I looked or who I listened to:

1. Q Is Omicron more severe than the others?
A No it’s not, yes it is, maybe, we don’t know, still testing..
2. Q Is Omicron more contagious?
A No it’s not, yes it is, maybe, we don’t know, still testing.
3. Q Is being double-jabbed a guarantee you are
protected against any strain of the virus?
A No it’s not, yes it is, maybe, we don’t know, still testing.
4. Q Is a third jab going to be enough to fully protect?
A No it’s not, yes it is, maybe, we don’t know, still testing.
5. Q Will a fourth jab be all we need?
A No it’s not, yes it is, maybe, we don’t know, still testing.

…I give up.

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Think that sentiment applies to quite a few folk Dotti.

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looking at it my way dotti omicron is more contageous ? though it seems not as severe,

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that was always the original take on this but it does not fit their agenda of fear is the key from the propaganda machines.

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If it is more contagious….which they tell us it is…and if it is milder….they tell us it isn’t….then why are the deaths flat?
And the hospital admissions are not what they were a year ago(although the ONS total deaths for the last two years are only marginally elevated….not something you would expect in a pandemic).

And for the first time in recording history, last year not one single death from influenza was recorded.
Why do you suppose this was then?


Omicron might be a good thing…it may confer natural immunity….but the government won’t tell you this…they don’t even want you to think it….they want to continue to have the power to control your lives.
They want you to roll up your sleeves and get another jab that will not stop you getting it or transmitting it.
They want you to have a passport to let you do the pleasurable things and ban you from these if you choose to decline their untried, still in the third stage of trials jab.

They divide the populace, foster ill feelings from those who have been jabbed against those who have not…yet it is just as possible for a jabbed person to give another jabbed person the virus as it is for an unjabbed person to do that.
I despair of the fact that the people cannot see this.
It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they are being fooled….Mark Twain, I think.

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it tells you that on the media news channels on the new one you get both sides of the subject but fools only watch the old news channels and get NO SYMPATHY from me.

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Cashy, I do not watch the news anymore.It is far too gloomy.
Did you notice that Whitty... scaremonger in chief, has said that we should be prepared for another 18months of Covid chaos.He reckons that it will take that long to come up with a jab that will cover all variants...so in that time how many other jabs will there be to chase the mirage of freedom that was promised with a single jab?


In 2008 Professor C Whitty accepted £40 million from Bill Gates to promote the use of vaccines...so he has a vested interest in keeping this sh!t show on the road.
Just saying...

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ever thought we MIGHT be rite and the others wrong. we are all suffering now from what the mighty might may have to offer. so many sheep being herded into the vacination centres on the word of might where others are totally ignored who have something thats proven.

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The real death rate from Covid is not from the virus….a lot of those who have gone from this earth were over the mean age of death….82 years and five months….and were ready to leave.
The real death rate will be from those diagnosed with cancer, too late for effective treatment.
It will be those already diagnosed with cancer but have not had their follow ups and scans and have gone on to develop secondary tumours as a result of not being observed.
it will be those who need transplants, it will be those who have heart disease, it will be those who have had strokes as a result of the anxiety and stress….and do not forget the babies and children who have been bashed because of the restrictions placed on social services…..a phone call or a zoom call is nothing like seeing a child in the flesh.

I do not want the young people of this country to be jabbed to protect me….and anyway so far it hasn’t been much protection.

I have got to a good age and if I left the planet tomorrow I have had a good and meaningful life.
This last couple of years has made me heartily sick of what is going on…..and made me glad that I am at the bum end of my life.

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LIKEWISE Margaret,

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even with the rubbish{stronger but banned words would be better] i have no wish to actually join the big sleep. may finish my days behind bars rather than a care home as i for one will never carry papers or follow the BBC guide lines. the gestapo and their informers on a street near you can do one big time. I am not a number.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ufactured.html

I know this from the Daily Mail, but the author is not part of the main stream media circus.
He is saying that this constant focus on the virus is creating a panic that is unnecessary…
This writer is an educated man whose credentials are peerless.

Have a read and make your own mind up about what he is saying.
Do you believe him…?
Or do you believe Professor Never Right Ferguson (you know, the guy who broke lockdown for a bit of leg over)….he that was bank rolled to the tune of £140 million by ‘that man again’
Mrs Gates son.

Prof Dalgleish is also the man who brought to our attention that this virus was manufactured in a laboratory in Wuhan (this information was suppressed in case China took offence)…..it is increasingly looking like he was right as other scientists have checked 80,000 species of animal and found that this does not occur naturally.

Are these pieces of this jigsaw falling into place yet.
‘It is easier to fool people than to convince them they are being fooled’

We are being lied to to keep us compliant….the government do not employ a behavioural psychologist for nothing.
Though I could have told them for nothing….fear is the currency of control.

Yet, I think there are people beginning to awaken to the real situation.

How many jabs will you have to chase the elusive butterfly, the mirage, that is freedom?
Each time you been promised that ‘this jab will let you…..’ then they move the goalposts….and the freedom vanishes.
Two years, three(for some people four) jabs and we are here on the brink of another lockdown.

They have stolen two years of your freedom…..how much longer will you let them steal your life?

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So does this mean that now they're happy with the test results, we are any better off?

China's shut cities down with a bigger population than the whole of the UK:confused:

I liked the comparison that "you can still smell a fart through, knickers and jeans", yeah I will wear a mask thanks ;)

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1261375]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ufactured.html

I know this from the Daily Mail, but the author is not part of the main stream media circus.
He is saying that this constant focus on the virus is creating a panic that is unnecessary…
This writer is an educated man whose credentials are peerless.

Have a read and make your own mind up about what he is saying.
Do you believe him…?
Or do you believe Professor Never Right Ferguson (you know, the guy who broke lockdown for a bit of leg over)….he that was bank rolled to the tune of £140 million by ‘that man again’
Mrs Gates son.

or the other pantomime dame whitty. only this week they presented us with another scene of cases doubling day after day. something else they have got wrong its been about a five per cent increase. even poor old diane abbott is closer with her maths. think we are wasting our time though when so many live in a fear which shows with the hundreds queuing up in the rain just to get their third dose and will be now waiting in hope of a 4th at the first opportunity.

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No-one with common sense will panic, thats for sure, the stupid will.

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but its always been the same that rules, regulations and laws are based on the lowest common denomaters or thickoes that do not know the meaning of common sense.

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Odders if you feel that it protects you….go ahead.
I have no quarrel with those who wish to wear a mask(but then shove the nasty thing in their pocket contaminating their coat, their hands and anything else in there….and don’t tell me that you haven’t seen single use masks that are obviously being worn more than once…their appearance creased and grubby)….I know the research that has gone on for years….which explains why they do not work…..but this was overturned..the research was hidden(why would that be then?)
I do not want to wear one and I have not worn one all through this chaos(I have a medical exemption).

If you feel that rolling up your sleeves and having a jab(that is called a vaccine, but does not meet the definition of a vaccine) every few months protects you….then fill yer boots.

But don’t make everyone comply.
You can get this virus just as readily from a vaccinated member of the public as you can from an unvaccinated one.

When will it be recognised that we need to be getting on with life?…..and allowing our own immune systems to do the work that they are meant to do….and that is make our own individual antibodies.

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Cashy, it is too late…those elite who make the rules and hand down restrictions to the likes of you and me are already waiting in the wings to tell us the Christmas is cancelled…..so while you and I do not panic….they will shut down the UK….for what?
A bad cold.
Yes they will tell us we can’t mix….but they will do just what they want…we know that from the past actions.
They are laughing at us Cashy.
People say that they will not observe the lockdown, but if the pub is shut…or the club is locked up…or the shops are not allowed to open….what can you do?

You can have the family round, but there will be some who are so scared of the possibility of getting the virus, they won’t go over the doorstep.

If we are locked down then this will be the second Christmas that has been trashed.
It is coming…expect an announcement today or tomorrow.
I do not remember putting my x in the box for Whitty,Vallance, or Ferguson.

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Whitty says to expect Covid Chaos to continue for another five years.
It is because he has the power to invent the chaos….to promote the fear, to make people get jabbed and put money into his bank account.
He will keep doing it while we keep following orders.
He has us for gullible fools.

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Christmas is coming
And there might be snow.
But Christmas is scuppered by
Whitty and Co.
There’ll be no Christmas party,
No trip to the pub.
There’ll be no jiving, no dancing.
He’s shut the night club.
There’ll be no place for fun
No place for Cheer.
No big celebration to bring in New year.
There might be a turkey,
There might be plum duff.
But family can’t join you
They aren’t jabbed enough.
Whitty will stand there,
He’ll hand down the rules
Expect us to follow….
We gullible fools.
And follow we will
Because of the fear.
And it will all happen again next year

I am sorry if my little ditty bursts your bubble.

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why be sorry? no-one with common sense will have a crap xmas, i think.and i would never apologise to a fool.

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Well Cashy….these days you never know what people are going to get in a twist about.
I know that you won’t….

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;
I do not remember putting my x in the box for Whitty,Vallance, or Ferguson.[/QUOTE]

only a few months back whitty said that we had to think of the virus as another form of flu. our milkman daid the same thing only a week before. now we know where he gets his information.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;

You can have the family round, but there will be some who are so scared of the possibility of getting the virus, they won’t go over the doorstep.

If we are locked down then this will be the second Christmas that has been trashed.
It is coming…expect an announcement today or tomorrow.

i for one have nothing but jealousy for those who cannot have in laws around at christmas or will not come. at least nowadays i do not dread the day of being bored, looking at my watch and taking the dog out for the 8th time in 5 hours to break the monotony of the day from hell. at least my lad had a good excuse of going up and staying in his bedroom using playing with his latest toy as an excuse. funny how at christmas for a man its the wifes parents and never yours you see due to lack of space for the majotity of folk.

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Well, what do you know….this year again, there is NO FLU.
No, not one single case has been recorded.
We are being asked to believe that Covid has elbowed the flu out…or that in some way the jab has protected the public against the flu.
Do you believe it?
Or are you like me and think that the flu is now rebranded ‘ the new improved flu is now called Covid 19 ‘
Flu kills, but we never ever had a lockdown or restrictions when it was flu….and it did not matter how many people, young or old who were affected(infected)….but change the name give it a scary persona and the population are happy to wear masks, get multiple jabs(including the flu jab)…agitate for useless Covid passports(what does it matter if you have had two or three jabs…the passport means zero if the jabs do not protect or stop it being transmitted)
Freedom is always the other side of your next jab.

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MH, yes..I understand that for some the lockdown when it comes, will stop families from getting together(if they observe it that is)….and this maybe a joy for those who do not get on with family members.
But it also means that you cannot go for a beer(that gets you away from the outlaws)….you cannot go out for a meal(you would go without the outlaws)….you can’t go to a panto, a carol concert, a film….in shirt you are confined to barracks for doing nothing other than going about you daily doings.
It means that once the restrictions are lifted, these places may no longer exist…because they have been starved of the customers who keep them in business.
So we are all impoverished in some way be these ill considered useless restriction.

The government lie…and that is clear because they have not got together to get their stories to match up.
One minister says there will be 5000 hospital admissions a day…yet another one says it is 2000 a day.
They are feeding old stats into the computer modelling program and getting these predictions out.
These predictions are as accurate as the horoscope in the daily paper.

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true and plenty are falling for their propaganda and the hand picked medics and experts they use. as for flu there was supposedly a massive outbreak in 1968. we were all around at the time but i cannot remember anything at the time being constantly shoved down our throats. infact until i read about it i never knew it existed then,

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Yet another ‘tsunami’ of testing allowing the Elect to lie their way to total power over their flocks.

Latest ‘statistics’ below:

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Positive tests do not equal people who are ill…certainly not sick enough to cause hospitalisation.

There are now some doctors who are deviating from the part line…the line that they want us to believe…..suppressing any evidence or views that do not align with these ‘truths’ that Sage want us to believe.
If evidence is suppressed over anything, the how can people make informed choices….and how can we trust other things that we are being told?

It has been accepted that the current modelling is inaccurate…yet it is still being used.
Graphs are thrust at us with the relevant context missing….this is so that they do not make sense.
You can lie by telling an outright untruth, you can lie by distorting information, you can lie by saying nothing…a lie of omission.
All,these methods have been employed by the scientists(who are unelected, but leading the government by the nose) and by the ministers in government.
These same ministers have been caught out not following the rules they handed down to us.

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[QUOTE=Margaret Pilkington;1261465]Positive tests do not equal people who are ill…certainly not sick enough to cause hospitalisation.

There are now some doctors who are deviating from the part line…the line that they want us to believe…..suppressing any evidence or views that do not align with these ‘truths’ that Sage want us to believe.
If evidence is suppressed over anything, the how can people make informed choices….and how can we trust other things that we are being told?

It has been accepted that the current modelling is inaccurate…yet it is still being used.
firstly, why test yourself if you feel fit and well with no symptoms at all. people never wasted their time in the past getting a test for something they may not have. where is all this going to end. as for the whiiy,s of this world, who ever heard of them before the covid word came about. its there first time they have had some influence on peoples lives and will not be happy to lose it and go back into obscurity again.

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MH some people are required to do regular tests in order to fulfil obligations to satisfy employers.

As to your question as to where is this going to end…well, it might be never…big Pharma and those who have interests in the doings of big Pharma are making loads of money…..and they will not loosen their grip easily….and a lot of members of SAGE have interests in big Pharma, so they are complicit too.

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All the alarm about Covid and reports are that I in 16 deaths were caused by Covid.

In Austria there has been a research study that suggest that if you have had the
Delta variant of the virus, this confers zero immunity against Omicron.

This is Austria where the jab is mandatory…..so,I am not altogether sure I believe this.
I know research studies can be skewed by the criteria for inclusion…..so this may be one of those things that are calculated to nudge the population in what is considered the right direction.

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Perhaps everyone on here saw this, but I just wanted to watch it again. Love this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69FgDShiDqc

That’s very interesting…but when I copy in the You Tube link to Neil Oliver’s recent talk on GB News, it gets removed from this post.
Try putting in this and you may find it:

https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/neil-...rinches/185895

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Exile I was able to watch it without having to paste the URL in….and I had not seen this….but I like it…and how true it is…how eloquent he is.
Thank you for posting this for us all to see.
Like this man…I will not be following any restrictions…no…not one!

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Saw this live when he broadcast it last Saturday evening, absolutely spot on.

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Exile, that is brilliant!

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if that obese bearded fat guy cannot prove his vaccination status and uses half a gallon on hand sanitiser before he drops down my chimney he can do one. plus his reindeer who need there up to date shots from the vets.

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seen it G.B. NEWS is the only news we watch.its the only one that gives you the good and bad. but some still never watch it, they aint helping at all imho.

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Cashy, I do not watch any news these days…..None….I am sick of hearing the same old blah, blah, blah.
I also am fed up of the programs like Jeremy Vine….where they give us the news rewarmed with a side dish of their opinions.
I do not need to hear what these left wing, woke panellists have to say on the issues of the day.
In fact I am thinking of applying for a refund on my TV licence….and damages when I hurl something heavy at the screen.
This will happen when i inadvertently see Chris Whitty on the screen(as I am walking through to the kitchen).

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Justin Welby has been spouting the script provided by the governments ‘nudge department’ saying that the unvaccinated are immoral.

I personally know two people who are triple jabbed who have gone down with Covid….not the mild version either…One of them feels she picked this up on a visit to a medical appointment in hospital.
Both of these people have been in bed with this…both have underlying health issues.
So their jabs have not helped them….well unless you consider that a success is keeping them out of hospital.
We are doing the shopping for one of these people because she lives alone.

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And Tony Blair has waded in….calling the unvaccinated ‘idiots’.
I would rather be an idiot than a war criminal…get back under your stone you odious little man

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I am still pro-vaccine, I don't consider myself a sheep and a person that foregoes the jab isn't an idiot the only idiots are those that want to take away our freedom of choice and make it mandatory, that causes divisions.

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to me a person that does not have a jab is an idiot, unless medically they cannot. thats the way i look at it.plus if they only watch the media news channels.

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Cashy, you are entitled to that opinion, but there are people who do not want to have a jab
whose long term effects are unclear.
Also it is not a vaccine…it does not prevent you from getting it and if it does not prevent you from getting it, then it cannot stop you from passing it on.
Calling people derogatory names does not help the situation either…in fact it may harden the attitudes to the vaccine.

There is also the fact that the companies that produce these jabs have indemnity from legal action by anyone who is damaged by the jab….that rings alarm bells for me.
The fact that any counter arguments by eminent virologists, professional medical people have been suppressed and removed from our access also concerns me.

We are always going to be one jab away from freedom…the freedoms that have been removed were those fought for by men in our families at the start of the last century.

The people who decide against the jab have not taken this decision lightly….and although you might consider them to be idiots…they are exercising their personal choice.
No risk to you….because you are jabbed…or that is the premise…if that is not true then why have the jab?

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I do not consider you a sheep either.
I consider that if you have made that choice, then you have done that with due respect to your own circumstances.
It is all you can do.

But when you consider that you take this jab, it is with informed consent.
If information is incomplete(as it is with this, because the third stage of trials do not conclude until the middle of 2023) then you cannot say that you are fully informed.

But for some people the possible risks of long term unwanted events is less of a problem because….the long term need not be considered…because of the age of the recipient.
Not that I am saying this is you…but you have made your decisions on your own situation.

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well if it hardens opinions they are even dafter than i thought. they are entitled to choose like i am entitled to say what i think,

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Well, of course you are…but that is how it is….coaxing works better than kicking.
Being called daft for a considered view and a choice, (like your choice)is not a helpful way to exert influence.
Maybe you will say that you are not trying to exert influence.
We all do what is acceptable to us….and forcing something on someone is neither moral nor ethical.
And that is not me saying that you, personally are forcing someone to do something they are not comfortable with.

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https://www.totalhealth.co.uk/blog/a...-vaccine-risks

This article is worth a read.
I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.

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I'm sure that if I was trying to sway anyone (which I'm not) I could find a link to an article that belittles the content of your link.

and no, it wasn't worth a read.

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From the person who first discovered this kind of process Dr Robert Malone…but you do not consider it worth a read!
A man who urges caution…why would he do that unless he had concerns
There will be some who will read it and find it worth a read…but alas not you.

And I am not trying to sway anyone…I am just providing information from a reputable source…a source that cites journals such as Pubmed and the BMJ.

Well, too bad, never mind

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Margaret, that really is very interesting, I read it all and it is definitely worth a read. Someone who actually knows what they are talking about, makes a change.

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…and here for what it’s worth is my take on the present situation:

1. Have I been uneasy about the jabs from the beginning? Yes.
2. Do I trust the Information given out by those who have their finger in the money pot? No.
3. Do I believe the figures quoted about all things COVID that seem to be grabbed from out of the air, and on the run? No.
4. Do I worry about the long-term effect of the jabs? Yes. Not for me at my age but for the younger ones.
5. Do I think that those in authority know what to do? No, no, no.
6. Do I think that those in authority know what they are doing? No, no, no.
7. Have I had the double jab? Yes, though it took me a long time to agree to it.
8. Has this made me feel protected and protective? No and no.
9. So why did I have it? As I refer to it as the ‘now shut up and leave me alone jab’ there’s the answer, enough said! - plus I might want to go into places where you have had to succumb to the needle to get in. Purely a selfish reason, nothing to do with feeling safe.
10. Do I consider this a form of blackmail to have to be jabbed to get into places? Yes.

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I am glad someone found it enlightening. Thank you for your comment Dorothy

It is food for thought….though it might give some a bit of indigestion

I suppose how interesting you find the article depends on your viewpoint.
This article is from a respected source, is scientific and cites other well respected journals and authors.

You can lead a horse….etc.

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think both sides of the argument know what they are talking about. its just you have to dig deep or rely on someone else doing it to get another take on the subject. thats been the total problem from day 1.

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you just have to go to the corner shop, buy any cheap over the counter madicine, open it up to find a few pages of inforrmation about the product. being one that has taken up my human right to refuse the vaccination i wonder if a similar thing has to be read before those being vaccinated have to get it done. there never has and never will be any medical thing taken without some risks. at the outset you got the impression these jabs were totally risk free.

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Margaret, I am not a horse, I do not want to be led anywhere, I will decide what I find is interesting no-one else.

I didn't find it useful because after over 18 months of the so called pandemic I have become report blind, it has come to pass that we can't give credence to either side of the argument anymore.

It doesn't matter who wrote the article perhaps it would have at the beginning but not anymore it's just one of many to be tossed aside as more bull no matter from which angle the author writes.

I, like many middle of the road losing my sanity type people, no longer care who has a jab, who doesn't have a jab, whether the jab is red,white and blue or green covered in pink spots.

Take the jab or don't, your choice, I won't think any less of you, but don't expect me to find reports worthy of belief anymore.

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think many are taking the easy way out in just having the jab just to shut others up. the ones that are totally vaccinated waiting for their 4th seem more loud on the subject than the refuses do. the words of granny killers, selfish are just two of the many thrown at us. we both have strong backs so will continue our stances. only read these reports myself for another take on the propaganda we get shoved down our throats on a daily concending manner. like everyone else i,ll be glad when its all over and can then concentrate on the lefty woke climate changers.