The Tories

[Margaret Pilkington]

Of course Poland will 'honour' Tony Blair...he has done far more for their economy than he has for ours.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

To be honest Marg, he never said a word...

But also to be honest, he doesn't make any secret about his prejudices. It's not as if he offers his opinion as unbiased political comment. I agree with a lot of what he says, but I would express myself a little differently ... I like to keep a sense of humour when all about me are losing theirs As Will Waggledagger puts it: "There's nothing serious in mortality;/All is but toys; renown, and grace is dead./The wine of life is drawn, and the mere lees/Is left this vault to brag of." Sounds a lot like a comment on contemporary politics and politicians, over there and over here. At the least, "lees" accurately pictures Cameron and Stephen Harper, tories both.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

But also to be honest, he doesn't make any secret about his prejudices. It's not as if he offers his opinion as unbiased political comment. I agree with a lot of what he says, but I would express myself a little differently ... I like to keep a sense of humour when all about me are losing theirs As Will Waggledagger puts it: "There's nothing serious in mortality;/All is but toys; renown, and grace is dead./The wine of life is drawn, and the mere lees/Is left this vault to brag of." Sounds a lot like a comment on contemporary politics and politicians, over there and over here. At the least, "lees" accurately pictures Cameron and Stephen Harper, tories both.

No he doesn't hide prejudices, bet he has those big green eyes of envy to go with the outfit too Eric

[cmonstanley]

hope a lot of people have got the phone numbers for removal men ohh wait a minute its going to take more money putting people in hotels till they find somewhere to go, or are they going to be homeless.the bedroom tax is on the way sooner than you think anybody who can justify the tories now are barmy.

[accyman]

HBC are already enforcing the bedroom tax i didnt think it was coming in until may.I also know that rossendale council are penalising people for having an empty room also.

lets be frank here this bedroom tax is mainly going to effect single men and who cares about them.I know some women live alone in rented accomodation but mostly its men

within 6 months though women will be expected to only use one bedroom and have their children sleep in bed with them so it will even out eventually.

Iv also heard on teh radio that Cameron is after abolishing council tax benefit so poor folk may find themsleves even worse off than first thought

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

hope a lot of people have got the phone numbers for removal men ohh wait a minute its going to take more money putting people in hotels till they find somewhere to go, or are they going to be homeless.the bedroom tax is on the way sooner than you think anybody who can justify the tories now are barmy.

What no link

[cmonstanley]

dont need a link mate, see it everyday im not the only one that is seeing it everyday just wait till they take the 10% subsidy of your council tax in april. with at least 10% more on the energy bills. the food kitchens will be full by summer.

[Eric]

When I lived on that side of the pond, I never took all that much interest in politics ... except for budget time, complaining that my bitter would cost an extra penny a pint and tuppence more for fags Now, a few of the things that go on there surprise me. Ok, we adopted most of the British parliamentary system ... we even have a kinda House of Lords But this thing about housing? Why should the central government be concerning itself about this ... unless they believe that the peasants are having it a little too good Don't they have anything more important to deal with? Shouldn't the local authorities be dealing with this stuff? I've no doubt that the housing situation in Hyndburn is different from that of Little Muckheap on the Mould in the Cotswolds ... (I presume that's part of the Gin and Jaguar belt) Seems that this is definitely an issue that should be handled at the local level.

[cmonstanley]

well it is going to be local authorities implementing it , but they will be taking the brunt of violence that will be erupting and is already in other agencies.you say phone the police .there is hardly any police most of them are now or going to be on the dole.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

well it is going to be local authorities implementing it , but they will be taking the brunt of violence that will be erupting and is already in other agencies.you say phone the police .there is hardly any police most of them are now or going to be on the dole.

And what's the betting that the Labour run local authorities will implement it first , just so that they can shrug their shoulders and point their fingers at the big bad Tories while they do it.

And dunno about you but when I went to school 'most' meant more than half....are you seriously suggesting that more than half the police force are soon to be on the dole?

[cmonstanley]

i think its up to individual housing associations when they start it, not too sure if the north west is one of the pilot areas. the council are also taking over crisis loan budgeting loans etc.the times are a changing very fast.the jobcentre dont do jobs anymore theyve paid monster.com a big wack to take that over.

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Guinness

And what's the betting that the Labour run local authorities will implement it first , just so that they can shrug their shoulders and point their fingers at the big bad Tories while they do it.

And dunno about you but when I went to school 'most' meant more than half....are you seriously suggesting that more than half the police force are soon to be on the dole?

counting the support staff,forensic labs ,dog units etc yep that would be an estimate guess.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

counting the support staff,forensic labs ,dog units etc yep that would be an estimate guess.

Well you've already shown your English usage ain't any great shakes, now looks like your maths ain't too clever either, dullard

[Margaret Pilkington]

be more specific...is it an estimate(which is based on a measurement of facts) or is it a guess......which is something you pull out of thin air....and has no relation to facts..
You don't know do you? You just like to throw things into the pot and then stir it about a bit.....something that you must have learned recently, since you NEVER did it with any of the rubbish new labour policies were being mooted.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by Eric

But this thing about housing? Why should the central government be concerning itself about this ... unless they believe that the peasants are having it a little too good.

over the past 20 years government has gradually shirked its resposability to ensure people arnt homeless infact the tory's are or already have removed the responsability from councils to ensure someone isnt homeless.If you go into the council now saying you have no where to live and are homeless you get told to visit a website and apply or bid on a property usually owned by private landlords or housing associations.

mind you the councils dont really have any properties because the torys sold them all off and then complained when they ened up in the hands of private landlords who then charged 3x the rent on a propperty that was origonally a low rent property