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View Poll Results: Do you think Hyndburn should be called Accrington and District?
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18-10-2007, 22:28
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
There's nothing in the Observer, by the way.
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18-10-2007, 22:28
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE
The way it reads the decision has already been made.
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Yes, did read that way Bernie ... however ??
Lilly .. nothing in t'Observer.
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18-10-2007, 22:30
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
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Originally Posted by garinda
There's nothing in the Observer, by the way.
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I'm surprised at that. I thought there would be if a decision has been made.
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18-10-2007, 23:00
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
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Originally Posted by katex
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW BLOODY DARE THEY !!!!!!
This is definitely war, what a blooming waste of our hard-earned money, a step back in time which will do no good to promote our area whatsoever.
I am furious that this decision seems to have been made on a whim of a jumped up councillors back.
They say sleep on a problem, yes, I will ... don't think I will feel any different tomorrow though.
( x 1,000)
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It isn't a step back in time. That's what a lot of people think, that we are going back to the old individual boroughs but we're not. We will still be Hyndburn Borough but with a silly stupid name instead and it's a total waste of time and money and you're not the only one who is very angry about it Katex. They think they can just walk all over us. I reckon PB wants to change the name because he didn't like my 'Hyndborg' poster.
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18-10-2007, 23:13
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
I reckon PB wants to change the name because he didn't like my 'Hyndborg' poster.
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Soooo .. all your fault then .. you've a lot to answer to Willow ..
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18-10-2007, 23:16
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
I hang my head in shame.
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19-10-2007, 07:44
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
A sensible decision by the Chamber of Trade....I hope the borough renaming follows quickly.
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19-10-2007, 08:36
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
Are you feeling OK Wynonie?
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19-10-2007, 08:48
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
Never felt better, thank you...and I STILL think it's a good idea to rename the borough!
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19-10-2007, 09:00
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
What possible advantage can it be?
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19-10-2007, 09:05
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An update on renaming the Borough
Peter Britcliffe did believe he could force through a majority vote on this issue. However due to special voting circumstances on this issue he needs not 51% but 67% of Councillors to vote for it. The Conservatives plus Nick Collingrdige (who always votes Tory on big issues) make around 55% of Councillors. So things have got messy.
The Labour Group of Councillors are not discussing the issue thoroughly until full costings have been produced. Earlier this month all council section heads were asked to undertake a review of costs as Labour Councillors dug their heels in against PB. This should have been done at the beginning rather than the post election newspaper fanfare which came out of the blue surprising everyone in the Council, never mind the public. Since then, no reports or findings have been produced and the Tories have an air of 'our policies should be automatically voted through as we run the Council'. There is resentment to this naturally.
In order to win the vote and look good PB has made an offer.
That there is a free vote whereby all Councillors in the areas against the name change look good and vote against. 4 Tories 1 Labour in Harwood, 2 Tories 1 Labour in Rishton and 1 Tory in Clayton. That all the Ossy and Accrington Councillors vote for which will produce a narrow yes vote to change the name. I have to say the public are being stitched up.
The Tories are now desperate to get a decision from Labour Councillors and behind the scenes pressure is being applied. PB has said he will not debate this issue in Full Council unless enough Labour votes are in the bag. He will only have a debate provided he knows he is going to win. If not, he will scrap the decision and blame Labour Councillors.
I believe the goings on are not only undemocatic, nee corrupt almost, they represent at least a total sham. Decisons should be made fairly, properly, and on the basis of knowledge and with some evidence.
Labour Councillors have asked for figues on costings for a referendum. PB has said it will be 35,000 now and he is refusing to have a referendum. Says his Area Council consultations are enough (where the voting results were corrupted). He also is refusing to cost a May referendum, running in conjunction with next years local elections, because he does not want it to become a political issue he says in areas against the name change where he has the majority of councillors (Harwood, Rishton and Clayton) and where he might lose seats because of it.
The question still remains from Labour Councillors "How much will a referendum cost in May when we have the Polling Stations up and running anyway?". We believe the cost of that will be under 10,000GBP.
Clr Pritchard Snr defection to the blue corner has aired the private misgivings of many Labour Councllors. PB is now frightned he has lost the vote so has stated that Labour Councilors must come forward and say which way they will vote prior to the council meeting. That is where we are up to now.
Hyndburn Labour Group of Councillors are a very serious and honest bunch of people and they will not take part in any sham. Decisions have to be based on the best facts available, not a whim. I can't see enough facts coming forward about the true costs which may run into 100,000GBP+.
If PB carries through his threat of votes up front, no referendum, all without evidence, then the name change is likely to be all but dead.
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19-10-2007, 09:12
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
Good grief Graham. That sounds akin to a dictatorship!
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19-10-2007, 09:15
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
Thanks for the info Graham
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19-10-2007, 09:39
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Re: An update on renaming the Borough
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Originally Posted by g jones
Peter Britcliffe did believe he could force through a majority vote on this issue.......
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones
I believe the goings on are not only undemocratic, nee corrupt almost....
Says his Area Council consultations are enough (where the voting results were corrupted).
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Are you saying from your post that you are accusing Peter Britcliffe of being corrupt or possibly being involved with vote fixing?
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Originally Posted by g jones
Clr Pritchard Snr defection to the blue corner has aired the private misgivings of many Labour Councillors.
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I was under the impression that the misgivings of many Labour Councillors for down to the leadership of the local Labour Party. Is that incorrect Graham?
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19-10-2007, 09:44
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Re: Hyndburn to be axed.
Thanks for that very interesting information Graham.
I don't know why, but I have a picture in my head of that other megalomaniac Nero, who played his fiddle whilst Rome burned.
Full costings of this proposed name change should be made public, and then a proper decision can be made.
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